[00:46] hello all, i have gotten myself in a mess and need help out [00:47] what's going on? [00:47] i followed a website to install kde over ubuntu to check it out [00:47] ok [00:48] benpowers23: You mean KDE over GNOME, go on [00:48] but the instructions kinda quit matching up w/ what i had at the end [00:48] here is the site http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/switch-gnome-kde-45-ubuntu-1004/ [00:49] benpowers23: What version of Ubuntu are you using? [00:49] what step did you get to successfully? [00:49] 10.10 [00:49] benpowers23: There is no need to follow these directions, KDE 4.5 is in Ubuntu 10.10 [00:49] Once you’ve restarted and reached the login screen click your username, input your password and at the bottom of the screen where it says Session choose KDE before logging in as you normally would. [00:50] there was no option [00:50] aveilleux: you're probably more familiar with kde than I am... [00:50] benpowers23: After you click on your name, if KDE was installed successfully, then it should appear at the bottom. If it was not, then it will not. [00:51] did the installation of KDE go ok, no errors etc? [00:51] benpowers23: I think you'll have to switch from gdm to kdm to use KDE, afaik the login manager backend protocols were changed in gdm and the kde devs didn't manage to fix their side fast enough for release [00:51] yes it seemed so [00:51] and when i boot up it says kubuntu [00:52] yofel, benpowers23: No, that's not the case [00:52] but the desktop is the same just more programs [00:53] aveilleux: k, I'm remembering it wrong then, sry [00:53] so how do i clean up my mess [00:53] and how do i try kde [00:54] benpowers23: Just sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop [00:55] aptitude : command not found [00:55] benpowers23: use apt-get instead [00:56] er, right [00:56] because someone at Canonical decided that 20MB on the final install was more important than a really great package manager [00:56] apt-get has super cow powers [00:57] nlsthzn_work: aptitude has snakes that can eat elephants [00:57] http://paste.ubuntu.com/529015/ [00:57] the results [00:58] strange but I always have aptitude and apt-get installed... by default... [00:58] benpowers23: What happens when you click on your username at the login prompt, do you see a little dropdown at the bottom of the screen with "GNOME" as the default option? [00:58] nlsthzn_work: it was dropped from the default *desktop* installation [00:58] nlsthzn_work: Do you install from the Alternate CD? Because it's on the Alternate disc. [00:58] no, nothing changed on login [00:59] nope, the desktop edition... but ok... it hs been awhile since I tried it... [01:00] i can go to system/ladmin/login screen and change default to kde [01:01] or to user defined session, would that allow me to choose? [01:02] User-defined, yeah [01:03] ok i will try that thank yall so much [01:03] i cant wait till i know enough about this to help others [01:03] :-)) === Cheri703_ is now known as Cheri703 === Cheri703_ is now known as Cheri703 === Cheri703_ is now known as Cheri703 === aj_ is now known as ajmorris === nuboon2age_ is now known as nUboon2Age [05:55] hey all! [05:58] Question: I understand there is a way for us to put Unity on Ubuntu. Anyone know how to do that? [06:01] oops, i meant to say Unity on Lucid [06:04] I've not done it, but this may help: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-unity-in-ubuntu-10-0410-10.html [06:06] does that look useful nUboon2Age? [06:07] ty Cheri703, i'll check it out [06:07] if you don't mind, let me know if it works so I can keep that bookmarked :) [06:08] Cheri703: that looks good. i'll try it out [06:10] Cheri703: i think those instructions are correct for 10.10, but they don't seem to be correct for 10.04. [06:11] which part? you want the sudo apt-get install unity [06:11] I believe [06:11] i'm going to try switching to the Netbook desktop and see if i get Unity, but i think i'll get the old Ubuntu Netbook Edition [06:11] because the 10.10 netbook is unity [06:11] exactly [06:11] did you do install unity? [06:12] no because when i do sudo apt-get install unity it says "E: Couldn't find package unity [06:12] " [06:12] is there some ppa or something i need? [06:13] hmm...ok [06:13] hang on, probably [06:14] http://www.gnulinux.in/article/information-and-installation-unity-lightweight-netbook-interface-ubuntu-netbook-edition-une [06:17] Cheri703: that looks like it will work [06:18] awesome :) [06:21] Cheri703: i've installed it, now i'm going to try it. [06:22] good luck! [06:36] anyone know how i can update grub? [06:37] realeyes, sudo update-grub [06:37] / grub2? [06:37] is 2.6.35-22 what (10.10) is supposed to look like on the grub2 screen? [06:43] realeyes: according to the 10.10 release notes from http://goo.gl/KDHmL, i'd say yes it should show 2.6.35-22 [06:43] that's ugly :/ [06:44] realeyes: why? [06:44] Cheri703: yup, that work. Thanks! [06:44] awesome! [06:44] enjoy [06:44] :-) [06:52] http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9544/imag0003s.jpg [06:52] is what i see eachtime i try to boot ubuntu [07:05] ActionParsnip: http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/417/imag0008o.jpg [07:20] i need help opening a port for transmission. === karthick1987 is now known as karthick87 [10:36] Hello. I need help with recovering my files from the live cd === fredrik__ is now known as friTTe| [10:48] the disk is unrecognized [11:16] julie3: Are you trying to recover files from a HDD while booted in a live environment? [11:35] nlsthzn: it's fixed! [11:35] julie3: Good for you :) [11:36] recovered all my files [11:36] thanks anyway! [11:37] glad I was here to at least have a listen, and maybe help :p [11:39] nlsthzn, you had a magic touch! [11:39] I've got that too at my work [11:39] bioterror: I used the power of my mind *eg* btw congrats on making the beginners team!!! [11:40] thanks ;) [11:40] sat in on the meeting last night in between working and saw your name and I was like "Hey, I know him, he has helped me!" Was pleased you and the other candidate made it === collinp`_ is now known as collinp` [12:14] hello [12:15] is anyone awake/online? [12:15] I just installed this ubuntu 10.10 [12:15] I am [12:15] but i dont undesterstand something [12:15] I dont like that when i start up my laptop [12:15] there's that black grub dos-like menu [12:15] how can i prevent it from showing up [12:15] and run straight to ubuntu? [12:16] ahhh, you dont like GRUB [12:16] I tried to search in ubuntu administration [12:16] just a moment [12:16] but there seems to be no settings to control that thing :( [12:16] thanks!! [12:19] hmmm [12:19] lalya: you could go to StartUp settings, and set the grub time to 0 [12:19] I've got two timeouts in my /boot/grub/grub.cfg [12:20] lalya: System->Administration->StartUp-Manager [12:20] I think that's not the way to do it anymore [12:20] bbl.. [12:20] :D [12:20] gl helping the guy [12:20] ;) [12:21] GRUB_TIMEOUT=10 [12:21] okay [12:21] sudo nano /etc/default/grub [12:23] oh!! [12:23] timeonut 10? [12:23] may i put timeout 0 and dont see it at all? [12:23] just a moment [12:23] reading some documents about that [12:24] uncomment the hidden [12:24] i'm available for tests, dont worry [12:25] and if you in the future want that grub menu to be displayed, just press shift while booting [12:25] but can u remind me what to do ... "noob way" [12:25] i opened terminal now [12:25] what do i have to type exactly? [12:25] sudo nano /etc/default/grub [12:26] Strange that GRUB is displaying by default on a fresh install with only one OS... [12:26] yes [12:26] no no [12:26] should show only when another os's [12:26] sorry i forgot to tell [12:26] i have also windows [12:27] but it has its own boot menu already [12:27] why you want to hide grub then? [12:27] so when i choose linux [12:27] then it pass to that grub menu as well [12:27] Strange... you install Windows after Ubuntu? [12:27] you have another boot menu before grub? :o [12:27] yes [12:27] easy bcd [12:27] which is part of windows [12:27] it already recognizes i have linux [12:28] so when i press linux, then it gives out also grub menu [12:28] well [12:28] i want it as when i press linux, it goes straight to ubuntu desktop [12:28] uncomment that grub_hidden_timeout [12:28] without that grub surplus [12:28] and then save [12:28] hmmmm [12:28] uncomment ...means? [12:28] remove the # [12:28] ok wait.... === karthick87 is now known as geturkarthick [12:29] done [12:30] save is SHIFT + O ? [12:30] or CTRL + O ? [12:30] yes [12:30] and then ctrl+x === geturkarthick is now known as karthick87 [12:30] now i reboot? [12:31] I would suggest to do that so we can confirm that works [12:31] it doesnt work :(( [12:31] i just rebooted and again grub [12:32] just a moment [12:33] stabbing my own file to check it out [12:34] thanks [12:34] my string was #rub_hidden_timeout=0 [12:35] i deleted that # [12:35] i forgot the *g [12:35] of grub [12:35] i try to modify grub_timeout=10 and set to 0 [12:35] lets see [12:40] hahaha === yofel_ is now known as yofel [12:40] I manged to get my grub resolution bigger ;) [12:40] but still that menu [12:41] we need a menu [12:41] with nice graphics [12:41] like I have a linux mint 10/9 /lubuntu dual boot [12:41] triple boot* [12:41] then we need it to have 2 linux mint logos and 1 lubuntu logo [12:41] which you can choose from [12:41] or so [12:41] :D [12:42] :D [12:42] good for linux mint devs to tweak some grub graphics when you rip everything from ubuntu itself and call it your own distro ;) [12:42] oh, I have that nice application download center which freezes everytime I use it :-) [12:43] it workss!! [12:44] nice [12:44] now you get 10 seconds faster to ubuntu desktop ;) [13:00] i dont see it at all!! [13:00] which is very very grub!! [13:00] ops.. good [13:00] :D [13:01] out of the eyes, out of the mind [13:13] take care and thanks for the help §!!! [14:08] hi there, somebody knows if the eeepc 1215N works well with ubuntu? [14:09] It should [14:10] ikonia, so like they jump over a release or two to apply the term LTS? [14:11] LTS applies to every other release ja [14:12] no i meant he told me [14:12] maverick won't become LTS later [14:13] and i need to choose a server [14:13] wether to go for 10.10 or 10.04 [14:13] i thought that at some point 10.10 would get the label 'LTS' but i was told it won't [14:13] LTS every two years [14:13] so, 8.04 and 10.04 were LTS [14:13] 8.10, 9.04, 9.10 were not [14:14] oh crap! you meant 'yes' by saying 'ja' [14:14] lmao what you scandanavian? :D [14:14] fint fint! [14:14] damn, deejoe i see [14:14] so i'm better of with 10.04 server [14:15] following the pattern, the next LTS would be 12.04, so installing 10.10 will require updates to 11.04 and 11.10 before upgrading to 12.04, whereas installing 10.04 *should* allow one to stay at 10.04 and then upgrade to 12.04 in one move. [14:15] In my experience, staying with an LTS release all the way through can present some problems, though. [14:16] sweet [14:16] so in 10.04 if i do apt-get upgrade/update [14:16] it won't update me to 10.10? [14:16] It can but in the end it comes down to personal preference [14:17] For instance, Firefox 3.0 was in 8.04, but Ubuntu did not keep it at 3.0 all the way through the cycle, and are now calling Firefox 3.6 "firefox-3.0" for 8.04 [14:17] this broke horribly for me [14:17] It will [14:17] Robinux: You can upgrade 10.04 to 10.10 [14:17] hmmmm i see [14:17] not unless you change sources.list or do a "do-release-upgrade" [14:18] hehe in that case i won't use apt-get update/upgrade to stay with 10.04 for atleast a few months [14:18] oh ok [14:18] deejoe, i see [14:18] Robinux: Sudo apt-get upgrade/update is for the programs for your current is [14:18] OS [14:19] You actually have to run a specific command to force an update [14:19] its not for upgrading the os [14:19] But updates are usually not so good IMO [14:19] what is? then? [14:19] i understand zkriesse_ [14:19] I always just do a full install [14:20] hehe [14:21] Robinux: other than the Firefox issue, and some hardware-specific things, I've found going from one major release (6.06 LTS to 8.04 LTS and from 8.04 LTS to 10.04 LTS) to go very well, in situ. [14:22] in situ? [14:22] In fact, this is a major benefit, in my eyes, of the well-tended Debian-based distributions. [14:22] Robinux: applying the updates to a running system, rather than doing a fresh install, or booting the system to a CD/DVD installer. [14:23] One can always do a fresh install if one wants, but it is nice to have it be an option, rather than a requirement. [14:32] Robinux, If it helps at all, my servers ran 8.04 and the upgrade to 10.04 was flawless [14:32] cool [14:32] Robinux, I don't expect it to be any different in 12.04 [14:33] cool to know! aveilleux! [14:34] btw you never told me if apt-get upgrade isn't the command to do OS update then what is [14:34] sudo do-release-upgrade [14:35] Robinux, If you use apt-get, then you won't update the OS version unless you run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [14:35] hmm. [14:35] do apt-get and aptitude really operate that differently? [14:35] Robinux, if you use aptitude (like I do), then a sudo aptitude safe-upgrade will *not* update the OS, a full-update will [14:35] deejoe, Different commands to achieve the same ends. [14:35] aptitude dist-upgrade does *not* do a release upgrade in my hands [14:35] I do it *all* the time. [14:36] the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade is in how it treats dependencies [14:36] release upgrade needs changing repositories [14:36] deejoe, aptitude dist-upgrade is an alias for safe-upgrade. apt-get dist-upgrade is not. [14:36] even so, aveilleux, that is recent [14:36] apt-get dist-upgrade runs the update script; it's an alias to do-release-upgrade. [14:36] hey deejoe [14:37] hi cprofitt [14:37] aveilleux: fortunately, I have an 8.04 box still that I"m planning to upgrade to 10.04 soon, so I can test that :-) [14:37] dist-upgrade, in addition to performing the function of upgrade, also intelligently handles changing dependencies with new versions of packages; apt-get has a "smart" conflict resolution system, and it will attempt to upgrade the most important packages at the expense of less important ones if necessary. The /etc/apt/sources.list file contains a list of locations from which to retrieve [14:37] desired package files. [14:38] cool [14:39] to be clear: my contention, which I think bioterror is illustrating, is that "apt-get dist-upgrade" on 8.04 will *not* take one to 10.04. [14:39] unless one edits sources.list first. [14:39] technically: when you want to update your current releases packages you use apt-get upgrade, when you change your /etc/apt/sources.asdasd from release to another, you will use apt-get dist-upgrade [14:39] deejoe, No, that's the opposite of what bioterror just said. [14:40] the better way to do it, of course, would be to use do-release-upgrade, again as bioterror has well noted [14:40] aveilleux: it is not [14:42] but with ubuntu I suggest to use do-release-upgrade [14:43] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LucidUpgrades [14:46] this is one of the more clear descriptions of the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade I've seen recently http://serverfault.com/questions/46748/can-someone-clarify-ubuntu-debian-dist-upgrade-for-me [14:48] ah, too bad aveilleux has quit: the least-hassle way of demonstrating what apt-get dist-upgrade will do is to run it with the -d switch, which is "download-only" [14:49] apt-get -d dist-upgrade [14:49] running that, one can watch the process and easily see that it does not download packages from the next release [14:49] sorry, that should be sudo apt-get -d dist-upgrade [15:02] Hello. [15:04] hi ^^ [15:04] Hello nlsthzn [15:05] Silver_Fox_: How is my fave forum mod doing today? [15:06] deejoe: you're right, apt-get dist-upgrade only upgrades the distribution if you've changed you're sources.list before that, the only difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade usually is that the former refuses to remove or install new packages but only upgrades existing ones [15:07] I am your favourite nlsthzn ? How does one earn that title? [15:08] I am fine thank you, how are you ? [15:08] hi Silver_Fox_, nlsthzn and the rest (: [15:10] Hello Puck` [15:12] How is Puck` ? [15:13] Puck` is okay, enjoying day at work [15:14] yourself? [15:18] Silver_Fox_: lol, your one of the few I recognize ^_^ [15:18] hi Puck` [15:20] nlsthzn, Oh I see, though I do not even use the same handle :D [15:21] I am fine thank you Puck` , just working on some scripts [15:23] Silver_Fox_: what language? [15:24] Silver_Fox_: made the connection a few days ago (if I recall I asked if you sere s.fox from the forum)... [15:25] Puck`, I am using two at the moment. [15:26] Puck`, php and action script [15:26] oh, i had my share of php these day, i did a web application for my collegues, so they can ditch excel files, so now it works with a database [15:26] speeds up work a bit [15:26] what does the action script do on your end? [15:28] It is all tied into a webis we are building. [15:28] It is hard to explain without you being here to see the code [15:35] hey zkriesse [15:36] hey zkriesse === zkriesse__ is now known as zkriesse_ [16:02] I am having trouble with my camera's SD card in my netbook's SD card socket. The system recognises it but says it can't mount it as it is not authorised. I have tried mounting it at thye command line which works, but a relative is going to borrow the machine for a holiday and isn't up to doing that. How do I make the mount happen on putting the card in the slot? [16:04] /dev/sdb1 /media/sd fat32 rw,user,auto 0 0 [16:04] the secret is that "user" in the middle [16:04] hmmm [16:04] /dev/sdb1 /media/sd vfat users,iocharset=utf8,umask=000 0 0 [16:05] mikesu, change that sdb1 to a correct [16:05] and add that line to /etc/fstab [16:05] not really solve that problem (but it will work as a work-a-round) [16:05] and also I think, have you formatted that?-) [16:06] if you move the data to a safe and then format it and say "take ownership of device" or what was that [16:06] there's a checkbox for that [16:07] I can't format his SD card He has several anyway. He will be using my login (the only one) but isn't a Linux user [16:09] mikesu, you should try formatting it [16:09] I've never had any problems with SD cards [16:10] I haven't when it was in my camera, but when we plugged his camera into the usb socket it gave the same message about NOT authorised. [16:11] hope you have nikon and he has canon ;) [16:13] Not sure ,but mine is the canon. [16:13] ;) [16:14] I have looked in /dev and there are sdb and sdb1 How do I tell which to use? [16:15] hey, don't do that fstab change ;) [16:15] I think that should be solved just with the formatting [16:15] Will try with my card [16:18] just before I format, why do you think thta's the answer? [16:19] becouse there's issue with ownership of the fs [16:22] I understand that, but why will re formatting help? Especially as I am unlikely to be able to persuade him to let me format all his cards!! === karthick87 is now known as Guest15006 [16:24] but I gotta go, dinner time [16:24] Thanks anyway === karthick1987 is now known as karthick87 [16:26] Anyone else got any ideas why both camera, card reader and card all give same message "can't mount - not authorised"?? [16:29] mikesu: what is the format of the card reader? === karthick1987 is now known as karthick87 [16:36] Don't know as I don't have it with me here. I'm going to try logging in as root to see if that solves the issue. Will quit now and come back if I don't get anywhere. [16:37] Thanks [16:37] ok [16:37] quit [16:40] can someone please help me open my ports for transmission? [16:42] Mohan_chml: idiot [16:43] damn, I forgot say that he should use diskutility to format ;) [16:44] logging in as root solved the problem. Not a good solution but a work-around, Will do to allow backing up the holiday snaps! [16:44] can someone help me open ports for transmission? [16:45] If anyone has come across this before please email me at mikesu+at+tiscali.co.uk [16:45] transmission says the port is closed and its making my torrent downloads stupid slow. [17:09] how can i do programming linux with C? [17:13] genupulas: install build-essential, then either use a text editor and terminal to work or use an IDE [17:13] i already did them [17:13] yofel: ..^^^ [17:14] ok, then I misunderstood your question, what exactly do you want to do? [17:15] i know C [17:15] then how can i write [17:15] yofel: ^^ [17:17] yofel: give me a small example [17:17] yofel: after that i can do === genupulas is now known as rajasekher [17:18] genupulas: well, you can either use a text editor to write wthe .c files and then compile them with gcc in a terminal, or you can use an IDE like codeblocks or others [17:18] I personally am a text editor + terminal person [17:19] yofel: i have gedit [17:19] as an example, you could write a simple hello_world.c, store it somewhere, run 'gcc hello_world.c' to compile it and then run it with './a.out' (gcc names the binary a.out unless you tell it a name) [17:21] ok [17:21] wait [17:32] nice yofel [17:33] When I get to looking at C that will help [17:36] I quite like C, though it does get kinda difficult sometimes without OO [17:36] yofel: http://pastebin.com/LfBx1zZ9 [17:40] yofel: i have used cat file.o [17:41] yofel: i got some code [17:41] right, cc works too since it links to gcc [17:42] ok [17:42] yofel : i am asking u that [17:43] yofel: u guys are going to design some pkg's ......so is it possible to design those pkg's with C or C++? [17:45] rajasekher: you don't need to use -c there, unless you have modules and want to build them seperately, -c will create a hello.o that you still need to link for the complete app, just running 'cc hell.c' would be enough [17:46] rajasekher: depends on what you want to do, and how you want to do it, the main differce between c and c++ is that c++ has OOP [17:56] yofel:tell me with c bro [17:59] hello peeps.. ok.. ive installed 10.10 and my webcam no longer works. anyone knwo how to fix that please? [18:00] rajasekher: I'm sorry, but I don't quite understand what you want to know, with pkg, do you mean a debian package, an application? command line or graphical? [18:01] well it was working fine on 10.04 [18:01] in skype for instance [18:01] in cheese [18:01] now its liek the driver isnt recognised [18:01] oy, that wasnt for me lol.... [18:01] * kohinoorD parks her butt [18:03] kohinoorD: how does it "not work" - does it give an error? or just not do anything? [18:03] not do anyting [18:04] yofel: yes writing an application [18:04] I don't know much about webcams, but my first stop would be to plug the camera model into an ubuntuforums.org search to see if others have had a problem [18:04] ive tried that already :/ [18:04] no results? [18:04] nope [18:04] and i dont want ot downgrade back to 10.04 [18:04] ok, well hopefully someone with more expertise will wake up :) [18:05] thansk for tryin :) [18:05] * kohinoorD fills her meter and re-parks [18:05] * pleia2 has one webcam, in her netbook, and it "just works" [18:05] yea mine used to a well [18:06]