[00:46] <benpowers23> hello all, i have gotten myself in a mess and need help out
[00:47] <Cheri703> what's going on?
[00:47] <benpowers23> i followed a website to install kde over ubuntu to check it out
[00:47] <Cheri703> ok
[00:48] <aveilleux> benpowers23: You mean KDE over GNOME, go on
[00:48] <benpowers23> but the instructions kinda quit matching up w/ what i had at the end
[00:48] <benpowers23> here is the site    http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/switch-gnome-kde-45-ubuntu-1004/
[00:49] <aveilleux> benpowers23: What version of Ubuntu are you using?
[00:49] <Cheri703> what step did you get to successfully?
[00:49] <benpowers23> 10.10
[00:49] <aveilleux> benpowers23: There is no need to follow these directions, KDE 4.5 is in Ubuntu 10.10
[00:49] <benpowers23> Once you’ve restarted and reached the login screen click your username, input your password and at the bottom of the screen where it says Session choose KDE before logging in as you normally would.
[00:50] <benpowers23> there was no option
[00:50] <Cheri703> aveilleux: you're probably more familiar with kde than I am...
[00:50] <aveilleux> benpowers23: After you click on your name, if KDE was installed successfully, then it should appear at the bottom. If it was not, then it will not.
[00:51] <nlsthzn_work> did the installation of KDE go ok, no errors etc?
[00:51] <yofel> benpowers23: I think you'll have to switch from gdm to kdm to use KDE, afaik the login manager backend protocols were changed in gdm and the kde devs didn't manage to fix their side fast enough for release
[00:51] <benpowers23> yes it seemed so
[00:51] <benpowers23> and when i boot up it says kubuntu
[00:52] <aveilleux> yofel, benpowers23: No, that's not the case
[00:52] <benpowers23> but the desktop is the same just more programs
[00:53] <yofel> aveilleux: k, I'm remembering it wrong then, sry
[00:53] <benpowers23> so how do i clean up my mess
[00:53] <benpowers23> and how do i try kde
[00:54] <aveilleux> benpowers23: Just sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[00:55] <benpowers23> aptitude : command not found
[00:55] <yofel> benpowers23: use apt-get instead
[00:56] <aveilleux> er, right
[00:56] <aveilleux> because someone at Canonical decided that 20MB on the final install was more important than a really great package manager
[00:56] <nlsthzn_work> apt-get has super cow powers
[00:57] <yofel> nlsthzn_work: aptitude has snakes that can eat elephants
[00:57] <benpowers23> http://paste.ubuntu.com/529015/
[00:57] <benpowers23> the results
[00:58] <nlsthzn_work> strange but I always have aptitude and apt-get installed... by default...
[00:58] <aveilleux> benpowers23: What happens when you click on your username at the login prompt, do you see a little dropdown at the bottom of the screen with "GNOME" as the default option?
[00:58] <yofel> nlsthzn_work: it was dropped from the default *desktop* installation
[00:58] <aveilleux> nlsthzn_work: Do you install from the Alternate CD? Because it's on the Alternate disc.
[00:58] <benpowers23> no, nothing changed on login
[00:59] <nlsthzn_work> nope, the desktop edition... but ok... it hs been awhile since I tried it...
[01:00] <benpowers23> i can go to system/ladmin/login screen and change default to kde
[01:01] <benpowers23> or to user defined session,  would that allow me to choose?
[01:02] <aveilleux> User-defined, yeah
[01:03] <benpowers23> ok i will try that thank yall so much
[01:03] <benpowers23> i cant wait till i know enough about this to help others
[01:03] <benpowers23> :-))
[05:55] <nUboon2Age> hey all!
[05:58] <nUboon2Age> Question: I understand there is a way for us to put Unity on Ubuntu.  Anyone know how to do that?
[06:01] <nUboon2Age> oops, i meant to say Unity on Lucid
[06:04] <Cheri703> I've not done it, but this may help: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-unity-in-ubuntu-10-0410-10.html
[06:06] <Cheri703> does that look useful nUboon2Age?
[06:07] <nUboon2Age> ty Cheri703, i'll check it out
[06:07] <Cheri703> if you don't mind, let me know if it works so I can keep that bookmarked :)
[06:08] <nUboon2Age> Cheri703: that looks good.  i'll try it out
[06:10] <nUboon2Age> Cheri703: i think those instructions are correct for 10.10, but they don't seem to be correct for 10.04.
[06:11] <Cheri703> which part? you want the sudo apt-get install unity
[06:11] <Cheri703> I believe
[06:11] <nUboon2Age> i'm going to try switching to the Netbook desktop and see if i get Unity, but i think i'll get the old Ubuntu Netbook Edition
[06:11] <Cheri703> because the 10.10 netbook is unity
[06:11] <nUboon2Age> exactly
[06:11] <Cheri703> did you do install unity?
[06:12] <nUboon2Age> no because when i do sudo apt-get install unity it says "E: Couldn't find package unity
[06:12] <nUboon2Age> "
[06:12] <nUboon2Age> is there some ppa or something i need?
[06:13] <Cheri703> hmm...ok
[06:13] <Cheri703> hang on, probably
[06:14] <Cheri703> http://www.gnulinux.in/article/information-and-installation-unity-lightweight-netbook-interface-ubuntu-netbook-edition-une
[06:17] <nUboon2Age> Cheri703: that looks like it will work
[06:18] <Cheri703> awesome :)
[06:21] <nUboon2Age> Cheri703: i've installed it, now i'm going to try it.
[06:22] <Cheri703> good luck!
[06:36] <realeyes> anyone know how i can update grub?
[06:37] <AbhiJit> realeyes, sudo update-grub
[06:37] <realeyes>  / grub2?
[06:37] <realeyes> is 2.6.35-22 what (10.10) is supposed to look like on the grub2 screen?
[06:43] <JoeMaverickSett> realeyes: according to the 10.10 release notes from http://goo.gl/KDHmL, i'd say yes it should show 2.6.35-22
[06:43] <realeyes> that's ugly :/
[06:44] <JoeMaverickSett> realeyes: why?
[06:44] <nuboon2age> Cheri703: yup, that work.  Thanks!
[06:44] <Cheri703> awesome!
[06:44] <Cheri703> enjoy
[06:44] <nuboon2age> :-)
[06:52] <realeyes> http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9544/imag0003s.jpg
[06:52] <realeyes> is what i see eachtime i try to boot ubuntu
[07:05] <realeyes> ActionParsnip: http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/417/imag0008o.jpg
[07:20] <hxcjonnysniper> i need help opening a port for transmission.
[10:36] <julie3> Hello. I need help with recovering my files from the live cd
[10:48] <julie3> the disk is unrecognized
[11:16] <nlsthzn> julie3: Are you trying to recover files from a HDD while booted in a live environment?
[11:35] <julie3> nlsthzn: it's fixed!
[11:35] <nlsthzn> julie3: Good for you :)
[11:36] <julie3> recovered all my files
[11:36] <julie3> thanks anyway!
[11:37] <nlsthzn> glad I was here to at least have a listen, and maybe help :p
[11:39] <bioterror> nlsthzn, you had a magic touch!
[11:39] <bioterror> I've got that too at my work
[11:39] <nlsthzn> bioterror: I used the power of my mind *eg* btw congrats on making the beginners team!!!
[11:40] <bioterror> thanks ;)
[11:40] <nlsthzn> sat in on the meeting last night in between working and saw your name and I was like "Hey, I know him, he has helped me!" Was pleased you and the other candidate made it
[12:14] <lalya> hello
[12:15] <lalya> is anyone awake/online?
[12:15] <lalya> I just installed this ubuntu 10.10
[12:15] <bioterror> I am
[12:15] <lalya> but i dont undesterstand something
[12:15] <lalya> I dont like that when i start up my laptop
[12:15] <lalya> there's that black grub dos-like menu
[12:15] <lalya> how can i prevent it from showing up
[12:15] <lalya> and run straight to ubuntu?
[12:16] <bioterror> ahhh, you dont like GRUB
[12:16] <lalya> I tried to search in ubuntu administration
[12:16] <bioterror> just a moment
[12:16] <lalya> but there seems to be no settings to control that thing :(
[12:16] <lalya> thanks!!
[12:19] <bioterror> hmmm
[12:19] <Timo_> lalya: you could go to StartUp settings, and set the grub time to 0
[12:19] <bioterror> I've got two timeouts in my /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[12:20] <Timo_> lalya: System->Administration->StartUp-Manager
[12:20] <bioterror> I think that's not the way to do it anymore
[12:20] <Timo_> bbl..
[12:20] <Timo_> :D
[12:20] <Timo_> gl helping the guy
[12:20] <Timo_> ;)
[12:21] <bioterror> GRUB_TIMEOUT=10
[12:21] <bioterror> okay
[12:21] <bioterror> sudo nano /etc/default/grub
[12:23] <lalya> oh!!
[12:23] <lalya> timeonut 10?
[12:23] <lalya> may i put timeout 0 and dont see it at all?
[12:23] <bioterror> just a moment
[12:23] <bioterror> reading some documents about that
[12:24] <bioterror> uncomment the hidden
[12:24] <lalya> i'm available for tests, dont worry
[12:25] <bioterror> and if you in the future want that grub menu to be displayed, just press shift while booting
[12:25] <lalya> but can u remind me what to  do ... "noob way"
[12:25] <lalya> i opened terminal now
[12:25] <lalya> what do i have to type exactly?
[12:25] <bioterror> sudo nano /etc/default/grub
[12:26] <nlsthzn> Strange that GRUB is displaying by default on a fresh install with only one OS...
[12:26] <bioterror> yes
[12:26] <lalya> no no
[12:26] <bioterror> should show only when another os's
[12:26] <lalya> sorry i forgot to tell
[12:26] <lalya> i have also windows
[12:27] <lalya> but it has its own boot menu already
[12:27] <bioterror> why you want to hide grub then?
[12:27] <lalya> so when i choose linux
[12:27] <lalya> then it pass to that grub menu as well
[12:27] <nlsthzn> Strange... you install Windows after Ubuntu?
[12:27] <bioterror> you have another boot menu before grub? :o
[12:27] <lalya> yes
[12:27] <lalya> easy bcd
[12:27] <lalya> which is part of windows
[12:27] <lalya> it already recognizes i have linux
[12:28] <lalya> so when i press linux, then it gives out also grub menu
[12:28] <bioterror> well
[12:28] <lalya> i want it as when i press linux, it goes straight to ubuntu desktop
[12:28] <bioterror> uncomment that grub_hidden_timeout
[12:28] <lalya> without that grub surplus
[12:28] <bioterror> and then save
[12:28] <lalya> hmmmm
[12:28] <lalya> uncomment ...means?
[12:28] <bioterror> remove the #
[12:28] <lalya> ok wait....
[12:29] <lalya> done
[12:30] <lalya> save is SHIFT + O ?
[12:30] <lalya> or CTRL + O ?
[12:30] <bioterror> yes
[12:30] <bioterror> and then ctrl+x
[12:30] <lalya> now i reboot?
[12:31] <bioterror> I would suggest to do that so we can confirm that works
[12:31] <lalya> it doesnt work :((
[12:31] <lalya> i just rebooted and again grub
[12:32] <bioterror> just a moment
[12:33] <bioterror> stabbing my own file to check it out
[12:34] <lalya> thanks
[12:34] <lalya> my string was #rub_hidden_timeout=0
[12:35] <lalya> i deleted that #
[12:35] <lalya> i forgot the *g
[12:35] <lalya> of grub
[12:35] <lalya> i try to modify grub_timeout=10 and set to 0
[12:35] <lalya> lets see
[12:40] <bioterror> hahaha
[12:40] <bioterror> I manged to get my grub resolution bigger ;)
[12:40] <bioterror> but still that menu
[12:41] <Timo_> we need a menu
[12:41] <Timo_> with nice graphics
[12:41] <Timo_> like I have a linux mint 10/9 /lubuntu dual boot
[12:41] <Timo_> triple boot*
[12:41] <Timo_> then we need it to have 2 linux mint logos and 1 lubuntu logo
[12:41] <Timo_> which you can choose from
[12:41] <Timo_> or so
[12:41] <Timo_> :D
[12:42] <JoeMaverickSett> :D
[12:42] <bioterror> good for linux mint devs to tweak some grub graphics when you rip everything from ubuntu itself and call it your own distro ;)
[12:42] <bioterror> oh, I have that nice application download center which freezes everytime I use it :-)
[12:43] <lalya> it workss!!
[12:44] <bioterror> nice
[12:44] <bioterror> now you get 10 seconds faster to ubuntu desktop ;)
[13:00] <lalya> i dont see it at all!!
[13:00] <lalya> which is very very grub!!
[13:00] <lalya> ops.. good
[13:00] <bioterror> :D
[13:01] <bioterror> out of the eyes, out of the mind
[13:13] <lalya> take care and thanks for the help §!!!
[14:08] <antoniuspisa> hi there, somebody knows if the eeepc 1215N works well with ubuntu?
[14:09] <zkriesse_> It should
[14:10] <Robinux> ikonia, so like they jump over a release or two to apply the term LTS?
[14:11] <zkriesse_> LTS applies to every other release ja
[14:12] <Robinux> no i meant he told me
[14:12] <Robinux> maverick won't become LTS later
[14:13] <Robinux> and i need to choose a server
[14:13] <Robinux> wether to go for 10.10 or 10.04
[14:13] <Robinux> i thought that at some point 10.10 would get the label 'LTS' but i was told it won't
[14:13] <deejoe> LTS every two years
[14:13] <deejoe> so, 8.04 and 10.04 were LTS
[14:13] <deejoe> 8.10, 9.04, 9.10 were  not
[14:14] <Robinux> oh crap! you meant 'yes' by saying 'ja'
[14:14] <Robinux> lmao what you scandanavian? :D
[14:14] <Robinux> fint fint!
[14:14] <Robinux> damn, deejoe i see
[14:14] <Robinux> so i'm better of with 10.04 server
[14:15] <deejoe> following the pattern, the next LTS would be 12.04, so installing 10.10 will require updates to 11.04 and 11.10 before upgrading to 12.04, whereas installing 10.04 *should* allow one to stay at 10.04 and then upgrade to 12.04 in one move.
[14:15] <deejoe> In my experience, staying with an LTS release all the way through can present some problems, though.
[14:16] <Robinux> sweet
[14:16] <Robinux> so in 10.04 if i do apt-get upgrade/update
[14:16] <Robinux> it won't update me to 10.10?
[14:16] <zkriesse_> It can but in the end it comes down to personal preference
[14:17] <deejoe> For instance, Firefox 3.0 was in 8.04, but Ubuntu did not keep it at 3.0 all the way through the cycle, and are now calling Firefox 3.6 "firefox-3.0" for 8.04
[14:17] <deejoe> this broke horribly for me
[14:17] <zkriesse_> It will
[14:17] <zkriesse_> Robinux: You can upgrade 10.04 to 10.10
[14:17] <Robinux> hmmmm i see
[14:17] <deejoe> not unless you change sources.list or do a "do-release-upgrade"
[14:18] <Robinux> hehe in that case i won't use apt-get update/upgrade to stay with 10.04 for atleast a few months
[14:18] <Robinux> oh ok
[14:18] <Robinux> deejoe, i see
[14:18] <zkriesse_> Robinux: Sudo apt-get upgrade/update is for the programs for your current is
[14:18] <zkriesse_> OS
[14:19] <zkriesse_> You actually have to run a specific command to force an update
[14:19] <Robinux> its not for upgrading the os
[14:19] <zkriesse_> But updates are usually not so good IMO
[14:19] <Robinux> what is? then?
[14:19] <Robinux> i understand zkriesse_
[14:19] <zkriesse_> I always just do a full install
[14:20] <Robinux> hehe
[14:21] <deejoe> Robinux: other than the Firefox issue, and some hardware-specific things, I've found going from one major release (6.06 LTS to 8.04 LTS and from 8.04 LTS to 10.04 LTS) to go very well, in situ.
[14:22] <Robinux> in situ?
[14:22] <deejoe> In fact, this is a major benefit, in my eyes, of the well-tended Debian-based distributions.
[14:22] <deejoe> Robinux: applying the updates to a running system, rather than doing a fresh install, or booting the system to a CD/DVD installer.
[14:23] <deejoe> One can always do a fresh install if one wants, but it is nice to have it be an option, rather than a requirement.
[14:32] <aveilleux> Robinux, If it helps at all, my servers ran 8.04 and the upgrade to 10.04 was flawless
[14:32] <Robinux> cool
[14:32] <aveilleux> Robinux, I don't expect it to be any different in 12.04
[14:33] <Robinux> cool to know! aveilleux!
[14:34] <Robinux> btw you never told me if apt-get upgrade isn't the command to do OS update then what is
[14:34] <bioterror> sudo do-release-upgrade
[14:35] <aveilleux> Robinux, If you use apt-get, then you won't update the OS version unless you run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[14:35] <deejoe> hmm.
[14:35] <deejoe> do apt-get and aptitude really operate that differently?
[14:35] <aveilleux> Robinux, if you use aptitude (like I do), then a sudo aptitude safe-upgrade will *not* update the OS, a full-update will
[14:35] <aveilleux> deejoe, Different commands to achieve the same ends.
[14:35] <deejoe> aptitude dist-upgrade does *not* do a release upgrade in my hands
[14:35] <deejoe> I do it *all* the time.
[14:36] <deejoe> the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade is in how it treats dependencies
[14:36] <bioterror> release upgrade needs changing repositories
[14:36] <aveilleux> deejoe, aptitude dist-upgrade is an alias for safe-upgrade. apt-get dist-upgrade is not.
[14:36] <deejoe> even so, aveilleux, that is recent
[14:36] <aveilleux> apt-get dist-upgrade runs the update script; it's an alias to do-release-upgrade.
[14:36] <cprofitt> hey deejoe
[14:37] <deejoe> hi cprofitt
[14:37] <deejoe> aveilleux: fortunately, I have an 8.04 box still that I"m planning to upgrade to 10.04 soon, so I can test that :-)
[14:37] <bioterror> dist-upgrade, in addition to performing the function of upgrade, also intelligently handles changing dependencies with new versions of packages; apt-get has a "smart" conflict resolution system, and it will attempt to upgrade the most important packages at the expense of less important ones if necessary. The /etc/apt/sources.list file contains a list of locations from which to retrieve
[14:37] <bioterror> desired package files.
[14:38] <Robinux> cool
[14:39] <deejoe> to be clear: my contention, which I think bioterror is illustrating, is that "apt-get dist-upgrade" on 8.04 will *not* take one to 10.04.
[14:39] <deejoe> unless one edits sources.list first.
[14:39] <bioterror> technically: when you want to update your current releases packages you use apt-get upgrade, when you change your /etc/apt/sources.asdasd from release to another, you will use apt-get dist-upgrade
[14:39] <aveilleux> deejoe, No, that's the opposite of what bioterror just said.
[14:40] <deejoe> the better way to do it, of course, would be to use do-release-upgrade, again as bioterror has well noted
[14:40] <deejoe> aveilleux: it is not
[14:42] <bioterror> but with ubuntu I suggest to use do-release-upgrade
[14:43] <bioterror> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LucidUpgrades
[14:46] <deejoe> this is one of the more clear descriptions of the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade I've seen recently http://serverfault.com/questions/46748/can-someone-clarify-ubuntu-debian-dist-upgrade-for-me
[14:48] <deejoe> ah, too bad aveilleux has quit:  the least-hassle way of demonstrating what apt-get dist-upgrade will do is to run it with the -d switch, which is "download-only"
[14:49] <deejoe> apt-get -d dist-upgrade
[14:49] <deejoe> running that, one can watch the process and easily see that it does not download packages from the next release
[14:49] <deejoe> sorry, that should be sudo apt-get -d dist-upgrade
[15:02] <Silver_Fox_> Hello.
[15:04] <nlsthzn> hi ^^
[15:04] <Silver_Fox_> Hello nlsthzn
[15:05] <nlsthzn> Silver_Fox_: How is my fave forum mod doing today?
[15:06] <yofel> deejoe: you're right, apt-get dist-upgrade only upgrades the distribution if you've changed you're sources.list before that, the only difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade usually is that the former refuses to remove or install new packages but only upgrades existing ones
[15:07] <Silver_Fox_> I am your favourite nlsthzn ?  How does one earn that title?
[15:08] <Silver_Fox_> I am fine thank you, how are you ?
[15:08] <Puck`> hi Silver_Fox_, nlsthzn and the rest (:
[15:10] <Silver_Fox_> Hello Puck`
[15:12] <Silver_Fox_> How is Puck`  ?
[15:13] <Puck`> Puck` is okay, enjoying day at work
[15:14] <Puck`> yourself?
[15:18] <nlsthzn> Silver_Fox_: lol, your one of the few I recognize ^_^
[15:18] <nlsthzn> hi Puck`
[15:20] <Silver_Fox_> nlsthzn,  Oh I see,  though I do not even use the same handle :D
[15:21] <Silver_Fox_> I am fine thank you Puck` ,  just working on some scripts
[15:23] <Puck`> Silver_Fox_: what language?
[15:24] <nlsthzn> Silver_Fox_: made the connection a few days ago (if I recall I asked if you sere s.fox from the forum)...
[15:25] <Silver_Fox_> Puck`,  I am using two at the moment.
[15:26] <Silver_Fox_> Puck`,  php and action script
[15:26] <Puck`> oh, i had my share of php these day, i did a web application for my collegues, so they can ditch excel files, so now it works with a database
[15:26] <Puck`> speeds up work a bit
[15:26] <Puck`> what does the action script do on your end?
[15:28] <Silver_Fox_> It is all tied into a webis we are building.
[15:28] <Silver_Fox_> It is hard to explain without you being here to see the code
[15:35] <harrisonk> hey zkriesse
[15:36] <harrisonk> hey zkriesse
[16:02] <mikesu> I am having trouble with my camera's SD card in my netbook's SD card socket.  The system recognises it but says it can't mount it as it is not authorised.   I have tried mounting it at thye command line which works, but a relative is going to borrow the machine for a holiday and isn't up to doing that.  How do I make the mount happen on  putting the card in the slot?
[16:04] <bioterror> /dev/sdb1    /media/sd    fat32    rw,user,auto    0    0
[16:04] <bioterror> the secret is that "user" in the middle
[16:04] <bioterror> hmmm
[16:04] <bioterror> /dev/sdb1 /media/sd vfat users,iocharset=utf8,umask=000 0 0
[16:05] <bioterror> mikesu, change that sdb1 to a correct
[16:05] <bioterror> and add that line to /etc/fstab
[16:05] <bioterror> not really solve that problem (but it will work as a work-a-round)
[16:05] <bioterror> and also I think, have you formatted that?-)
[16:06] <bioterror> if you move the data to a safe and then format it and say "take ownership of device" or what was that
[16:06] <bioterror> there's a checkbox for that
[16:07] <mikesu> I can't format his SD card  He has several anyway.   He will be using my login (the only one) but isn't a Linux user
[16:09] <bioterror> mikesu, you should try formatting it
[16:09] <bioterror> I've never had any problems with SD cards
[16:10] <mikesu> I haven't when it was in my camera, but when we plugged his camera into the usb socket it gave the same message about NOT authorised.
[16:11] <bioterror> hope you have nikon and he has canon ;)
[16:13] <mikesu> Not sure ,but mine is the canon.
[16:13] <bioterror> ;)
[16:14] <mikesu> I have looked in /dev and there are sdb and sdb1  How do I tell which to use?
[16:15] <bioterror> hey, don't do that fstab change ;)
[16:15] <bioterror> I think that should be solved just with the formatting
[16:15] <mikesu> Will try with my card
[16:18] <mikesu> just before I format, why do you think thta's the answer?
[16:19] <bioterror> becouse there's issue with ownership of the fs
[16:22] <mikesu> I understand that, but why will re formatting  help?  Especially as I am unlikely to be able to persuade him to let me format all his cards!!
[16:24] <bioterror> but I gotta go, dinner time
[16:24] <mikesu> Thanks anyway
[16:26] <mikesu> Anyone else got any ideas why both camera, card reader and card all give same message "can't mount - not authorised"??
[16:29] <cprofitt> mikesu: what is the format of the card reader?
[16:36] <mikesu> Don't know as I don't have it with me here.  I'm going to try logging in as root to see if that solves the issue.  Will quit now and come back if I don't get anywhere.
[16:37] <mikesu> Thanks
[16:37] <cprofitt> ok
[16:37] <mikesu> quit
[16:40] <hxcjonnysniper> can someone please help me open my ports for transmission?
[16:42] <genupulas> Mohan_chml:  idiot
[16:43] <bioterror> damn, I forgot say that he should use diskutility to format ;)
[16:44] <mikesu> logging in as root solved the problem. Not a good solution but a work-around,  Will do to allow backing up the holiday snaps!
[16:44] <hxcjonnysniper> can someone help me open ports for transmission?
[16:45] <mikesu> If anyone has come across this before please email me at mikesu+at+tiscali.co.uk
[16:45] <hxcjonnysniper> transmission says the port is closed and its making my torrent downloads stupid slow.
[17:09] <genupulas> how can i do programming linux with C?
[17:13] <yofel> genupulas: install build-essential, then either use a text editor and terminal to work or use an IDE
[17:13] <genupulas> i already did them
[17:13] <genupulas> yofel:  ..^^^
[17:14] <yofel> ok, then I misunderstood your question, what exactly do you want to do?
[17:15] <genupulas> i know C
[17:15] <genupulas> then how can i write
[17:15] <genupulas> yofel: ^^
[17:17] <genupulas> yofel:  give me a small example
[17:17] <genupulas> yofel:  after that i can do
[17:18] <yofel> genupulas: well, you can either use a text editor to write wthe .c files and then compile them with gcc in a terminal, or you can use an IDE like codeblocks or others
[17:18] <yofel> I personally am a text editor + terminal person
[17:19] <rajasekher> yofel:  i have gedit
[17:19] <yofel> as an example, you could write a simple hello_world.c, store it somewhere, run 'gcc hello_world.c' to compile it and then run it with './a.out' (gcc names the binary a.out unless you tell it a name)
[17:21] <rajasekher> ok
[17:21] <rajasekher> wait
[17:32] <cprofitt> nice yofel
[17:33] <cprofitt> When I get to looking at C that will help
[17:36] <Joeb454> I quite like C, though it does get kinda difficult sometimes without OO
[17:36] <rajasekher> yofel:  http://pastebin.com/LfBx1zZ9
[17:40] <rajasekher> yofel:  i have used cat file.o
[17:41] <rajasekher> yofel:  i got some code
[17:41] <yofel> right, cc works too since it links to gcc
[17:42] <rajasekher> ok
[17:42] <rajasekher> yofel : i am asking u that
[17:43] <rajasekher> yofel: u guys are going to design some pkg's ......so is it possible to design those pkg's  with C or C++?
[17:45] <yofel> rajasekher: you don't need to use -c there, unless you have modules and want to build them seperately, -c will create a hello.o that you still need to link for the complete app, just running 'cc hell.c' would be enough
[17:46] <yofel> rajasekher: depends on what you want to do, and how you want to do it, the main differce between c and c++ is that c++ has OOP
[17:56] <rajasekher> yofel:tell me with c bro
[17:59] <kohinoorD> hello peeps.. ok.. ive installed 10.10 and my webcam no longer works. anyone knwo how to fix that please?
[18:00] <yofel> rajasekher: I'm sorry, but I don't quite understand what you want to know, with pkg, do you mean a debian package, an application? command line or graphical?
[18:01] <kohinoorD> well it was working fine on 10.04
[18:01] <kohinoorD> in skype for instance
[18:01] <kohinoorD> in cheese
[18:01] <kohinoorD> now its liek the driver isnt recognised
[18:01] <kohinoorD> oy, that wasnt for me lol....
[18:01]  * kohinoorD parks her butt
[18:03] <pleia2> kohinoorD: how does it "not work" - does it give an error? or just not do anything?
[18:03] <kohinoorD> not do anyting
[18:04] <rajasekher> yofel: yes writing an application
[18:04] <pleia2> I don't know much about webcams, but my first stop would be to plug the camera model into an ubuntuforums.org search to see if others have had a problem
[18:04] <kohinoorD> ive tried that already :/
[18:04] <pleia2> no results?
[18:04] <kohinoorD> nope
[18:04] <kohinoorD> and i dont want ot downgrade back to 10.04
[18:04] <pleia2> ok, well hopefully someone with more expertise will wake up :)
[18:05] <kohinoorD> thansk for tryin :)
[18:05]  * kohinoorD fills her meter and re-parks
[18:05]  * pleia2 has one webcam, in her netbook, and it "just works"
[18:05] <kohinoorD> yea mine used to a well
[18:06] <kohinoorD> dunno what happened on the upgrade
[18:06] <hobgoblin> kohinoorD: I would dis-connect and re-connect and the try a dmesg |tail in a terminal - see if it gives any information - I would also run lspci and lsusb - then at least you will have a bit more information for anyone who can help
[18:07] <kohinoorD> disconnect adn reconnect what?
[18:07] <kohinoorD> its a built in cam
[18:07] <yofel> rajasekher: sure you can use C for that, if it's supposed to be a graphical application you'll have to use GTK with C, Qt only supports C++, there's Wx too but I don't know much about that
[18:08] <rajasekher> ok
[18:08] <hobgoblin> kohinoorD: oic = well I was not awarte - try lsusb and lspci anyway - then people will have some idea of what it is and whether it's recognised
[18:08] <rajasekher> yofel:  then guide me upto what u know bro
[18:08] <rajasekher> yofel:  please bro
[18:08] <kohinoorD> hobgoblin: thank you :)
[18:09] <hobgoblin> kohinoorD: don't post them results here though - use a pastebin like paste.ubuntu.com
[18:10] <kohinoorD> im sorry, what is that?
[18:11] <hobgoblin> if you go there - you can paste information into the box - give it a name then when you hit paste it will give you a new url which you can then put here for people to look at
[18:11] <yofel> rajasekher: well... I really haven't done much application development with C myself nor do I have the time to give you and extended tutorial, maybe someone else can, for gtk you can find tutorials on http://www.gtk.org/documentation.html, if you want to use an IDE after all I would recommend anjuta or codeblocks
[18:12] <kohinoorD> ohh awesome, thank you so much :)
[18:12] <hobgoblin> kohinoorD: welcome :)
[18:13] <hobgoblin> kohinoorD: anyway - get the info and I'll have a quick look
[18:13] <kohinoorD> http://paste.ubuntu.com/529485/
[18:13] <kohinoorD> like that?
[18:14] <hobgoblin> kohinoorD: yep - that's right  - posting long lists like that here will obviously upset people :)
[18:14] <kohinoorD> yes.. giggles.. im sure of that
[18:15] <Silver_Fox_> I'm off. Goodbye
[18:16] <hobgoblin> kohinoorD: can't see the camera there ...
[18:18] <kohinoorD> yea i (sont) see that too
[18:18] <kohinoorD> dont* even
[18:18]  * kohinoorD cant spell
[18:18] <kohinoorD> any idea what i can do?
[18:29] <cprofitt> what's the issue?
[18:29] <cprofitt> built-in webcam from what I can see in the scrollback
[18:30] <hobgoblin> failing webcam in an upgrade form 10.04 to 10.10 apparently
[18:30]  * cprofitt nods
[18:30] <cprofitt> so it worked in 10.04, but not in 10.10
[18:30] <kohinoorD> correct
[18:30] <cprofitt> I would like to suggest one thing... boot back to the liveCD and see if it works
[18:31] <kohinoorD> live of 10.10 ?
[18:31] <cprofitt> ye
[18:31] <cprofitt> yes
[18:31] <kohinoorD> okies, i can try that... and shall :)
[18:31] <kohinoorD> thank you
[18:31] <cprofitt> if not... then boot to 10.04 live and get the identifiers from it using lspci or lsusb
[18:31] <cprofitt> we will wait here for you
[18:31] <kohinoorD> thank you :)
[18:32] <cprofitt> yw
[19:45] <Daniel0108> hi
[19:46] <zkriesse> wazzup
[19:46] <Daniel0108> not much :P
[19:47] <FireBeard> NO OFFTOPIC ALLOWED HERE
[19:47] <FireBeard> ;)
[19:48] <Daniel0108> that wasn't offtopic :P just a greeting xD
[19:49] <FireBeard> NO GREETINGS EITHER
[19:49] <FireBeard> gheh, sorry, I'm kinda bored
[19:49] <Daniel0108> I understand xD :P
[19:49] <Daniel0108> No problems to support :PP
[19:51] <Daniel0108> FireBeard: Come to #ubuntu-beginners-team :P
[19:51] <FireBeard> I actually am not much of a helper
[19:51] <FireBeard> I just lurk a lot here [I'm Phrea]
[19:52] <Daniel0108> oh, I'm a supporter :P Maybe I join Ubuntu-Beginners-Team ;)
[19:52] <FireBeard> :)
[19:52] <FireBeard> if you are, do
[19:54] <Daniel0108> okay, :P I just have to write an email introducing me, but I'm too busy xD
[19:54] <FireBeard> I don't really know why I'm still here, after all this time, maybe it's because the support in this channel really is great, I direct a lot of people to this channel, they don;t always like the 'beginners' name, but their problems always get solved
[19:56] <FireBeard> and that's the point, isnt it
[19:57] <Daniel0108> yes
[19:57] <Daniel0108> but please come to #ubuntu-beginners-team channel :P
[19:57] <FireBeard> no, I'm not part of the team :)
[19:57] <FireBeard> and I don't wish to be
[20:25] <luluhouse7> I deleted a partition and overwrote it with ubuntu but windows still sees it and all the files are intact and readable. How is this possible?
[20:26] <bioterror> okay :D
[20:26] <nlsthzn> it isn't :p
[20:27] <FireBeard> ^
[20:27] <nlsthzn> lulu has left the building
[20:27] <FireBeard> not possible
[20:27] <bioterror> maybe (s)he read what (s)he wrote
[20:27] <FireBeard> yea, why wait a few minutes for an answer when you can leave within seconds
[20:29] <nlsthzn> bioterror: lol, escape before explaining foot in mouth
[21:10] <kosaidpo> hello
[21:10] <kosaidpo> guys anynoe can have a test chat with me in skype
[21:11] <zkriesse> sure
[21:11] <zkriesse> what is it
[21:12] <zkriesse> kosaidpo:
[21:13] <kosaidpo> zkriesse: hello
[21:13] <zkriesse> kosaidpo: in response to your question sure
[21:13] <kosaidpo> zkriesse: thats great dude  thanks
[21:54] <mR0> I ran apt-get update via terminal & I got this : E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[21:54] <mR0> E: Unable to lock the list directory
[21:54] <mR0> any advices?
[22:00] <yofel> mR0: did you run it with admin priviledges? (sudo)
[22:00] <mR0> yofel: yes, I did it
[22:01] <yofel> mR0: are you sure you have no other package manager running?
[22:01] <mR0> Im sure bout it.
[22:02] <yofel> hm, try this but with the file that hangs for you
[22:02] <yofel> !aptlock
[22:02] <ubot2> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[22:02] <mR0> Ok, I'll try it now...
[22:04] <mR0> Still can't update. Is it need to restart my system?
[22:05] <yofel> shouldn't be necessary, but you can try it, if something's using the file a reboot should kill it
[22:06] <ehcah> Stupid suggestion... mR0:  Do you have the Ubuntu Software Updater open as well as terminal?
[22:08] <mR0> ehcah: yes, mocp. But it already closed.
[22:08] <ehcah> weird.
[22:09] <mR0> ehcah: What Ubuntu Software Updater?
[22:09] <ehcah> I often have that problem if I used the GUI to find a particular package to update.
[22:09] <ehcah> adimistratrion -> Update manager
[22:09] <mR0> then?
[22:10] <ehcah> or administratrion -> Synaptic Package Manager.
[22:10] <suprengr> sudo apt-get purge??
[22:10] <ehcah> I either of them are open while you try to apt-get update/upgrade/install from terminal, you may trouble.
[22:11] <mR0> No another update manager opened while Im trying update it via terminal
[22:11] <suprengr> ...or autoclean???
[22:12] <mR0> suprengr, I'll try now
[22:13] <mR0> suprengr: U mean removing some apps?
[22:14] <mR0> still can't update my repo :(
[22:14] <suprengr> mR0: no.. I'm suggesting a clean of downloaded packages only - not the apps they installed.
[22:14] <mR0> suprengr: ok, I did it
[22:15] <suprengr> the idea being to see if anything wwas/is locked bedause of a fail or something.
[22:15] <suprengr> *bedause=because
[22:15] <mR0> becouse of this : E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[22:16] <mR0> because
[22:17] <suprengr> mR0: time for a restart... if no difference try looking for the lock file.
[22:18] <mR0> is lock file located on these directory?
[22:18] <suprengr> ...just checking b4 advising
[22:19] <yofel> the lockfile is supposed to be there, the error is about the file being opened in another application already and apt-get being unable to access it
[22:20] <mR0> yofel should I delete it?
[22:20] <yofel> usually no, but removing it shouldn't break anything as far as I know
[22:21] <mR0> yofel: WeW
[22:21] <yofel> the next app that needs it should create it again
[22:21] <mR0> i see
[22:22] <suprengr> yofel: (over to you... your there with knowledge well ahead of mine)
[22:35] <mello> hi may i ask a question?
[22:35] <deejoe> please do
[22:36] <mello> i installed ubuntu 10.10 x64 and its finished but it woont boot up its stuck on the blc scren fter bios
[22:36] <deejoe> blc?
[22:37] <mello> sry meant black screen after bios
[22:38] <deejoe> are there any white letters at all?
[22:39] <deejoe> also, if you hold down all three keys at once, Ctrl-Alt-F1 for a second or so, does that take you to a console login prompt?
[22:39] <mello> yes there is letters on the screen
[22:39] <mello> havent tried tht will do so right away
[22:41] <deejoe> if you get a login: prompt that might be somewhat promising
[22:41] <mello> ctrl-alt-f1 did not give me a command prompt
[22:41] <deejoe> :(
[22:42] <mello> been reinstalling ubuntu for 4hrs now drives me crazy that it dosent work
[22:42] <deejoe> I know how that can be.
[22:42] <deejoe> does the installation CD work as a live CD?
[22:42] <mello> i have tried to boot it form local disc when i put in the live cd but that dosent work either
[22:43] <mello> yeah the live cd has no problems
[22:44] <deejoe> well, that's promising, then
[22:44] <deejoe> I'm afraid I'm going to be late to a meeting that starts at the top of the hour.
[22:44] <deejoe> mello, perhaps someone else will see your question, now that you've asked it :-) and will have some ideas.
[22:45] <deejoe> sorry for your troubles, good luck.
[22:45] <mello> lets hope so, thanks for ur help
[22:46] <mello> does anybody have any ideas?
[22:48] <yofel> hm, boot issues are tricky :/
[22:48] <yofel> can you try to remove 'quiet splash' from the boot options? howto:
[22:48] <mello> how do i do that?
[22:51] <yofel> hold left shift pressed after the bios screen and you should get to the grub menu, press 'e' to edit the boot entry and remove 'quiet splash' from the line that starts with 'linux' and then press ctrl+x to boot, that should make the boot a bit more verbose
[22:55] <mello> yofel: dont think its working dont get a grub menu
[22:56] <yofel> mello: start holding it down *during* the bios screen, the grub timeout is 0 seconds, so you have no time to press it after that
[22:57] <mello> just getting a black screen
[22:58] <yofel> hm :/
[23:00] <yofel> ok, different approach: can you try to press 'alt+print+k' when it stops booting and see if that get's you something? (that's a sysrq instruction to kill everything that's running on the current terminal)
[23:04] <mello> ok will try
[23:05] <dom_1roxtar> today i tried installing unity to desktop 10.10 and now i get a black screen. any way to change login screen options using a live cd???
[23:05] <mello> didnt work
[23:06] <yofel> hm, then I'm out of ideas if you can't get into the grub menu
[23:06] <yofel> !grub2
[23:06] <ubot2> GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since Ubuntu 9.10.  For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[23:35] <mello> YESSSSS i got it to work
[23:38] <mello> yofel: how do i get uuntu to find my other hdd
[23:38] <yofel> internal hdd or usb?
[23:38] <isis> hi, can someone how/if i can join group call on skype for ubuntu
[23:38] <isis> *someone tell me
[23:38] <mello> internal
[23:40] <yofel> mello: hm... it's not shown under 'Computer' ?
[23:40] <stlsaint> isis: you should be able to
[23:40] <mello> no but in disk utility
[23:41] <isis> stlsaint, i cant find a button anywhere to join call! lol i know it sounds nooby, but i cant ><
[23:42] <yofel> mello: not sure how to access it from gnome then (I use kde) maybe someone else knows, you could mount it by hand over the command line though
[23:42] <mello> i found the hdd in disk utility and i can choose create partition should i do that
[23:43] <yofel> mello: wait, was the disk empty?
[23:44] <mello> yes
[23:45] <yofel> I mean, completely empty, no partition on it and never used - if yes, you'll have to first create a partition on it and format it
[23:45] <yofel> that will of course erase anything on the disk in case something is on it after all
[23:45] <mello> yofel: yes completly empty
[23:45] <mello> ok so shouldi  press format drive
[23:46] <yofel> ok, then create a partition, and choose a file system to format it with
[23:46] <mello> wich shoud i use FAT?
[23:46] <yofel> well, FAT is the easiest when it comes to compatibility, can't handle linux file permissions though should you ever need those
[23:47] <mello> so should i use ext4 then
[23:47] <yofel> if you're only using linux that should be fine
[23:47] <mello> ok thanx alot m8
[23:49] <yofel> I'm not sure what the default permissions are for the new drive so you *might* have to adjust them in case it complains, but that's pretty easy
[23:49] <yofel> haven't use gparted in ages..
[23:50] <mello> ok