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jcastrodoes anyone have the photos to uds-n handy?00:14
nhandlerjcastro: Weren't they meant to get tagged uds: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/uds00:18
jcastrothanks00:20
duanedesignd'oh, I just realized Bruno Maag was at UDS-N and I didnt get to meet him :\01:38
duanedesignas a graphic designer i must say that would of been awesome01:44
jcastrohttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community/+bug/43607402:31
ubot2Launchpad bug 436074 in ubuntu-community "CodeOfConduct Signature/Acknowledgement Lacks Integration (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New]02:31
jcastrothoughts on this?02:31
duanedesigni think during install might not be the best place to present the CoC03:00
duanedesignIt has been my experience that most new people to the communtiy manage to sign the CoC03:03
duanedesignwith no issues.03:04
duanedesignMost people are presented with signing the CoC when joining a team. Which seems like an appropriate place.03:06
nigelbmorning all04:20
nhandlerHey nigelb04:29
nigelbhola nhandler04:39
duanedesignhello nigelb05:37
nigelbheya duanedesign05:39
* duanedesign just finished another screencast06:15
duanedesignnigelb: have you worked with Drupal6 at all?06:15
* nigelb notes popey just renewed interest in screencasting06:16
nigelbduanedesign: I did work with it and sometimes get called in to consult on that project06:16
duanedesignnigelb: yeah I have made it a point to give more love to the screencast team. Something I unfortunately got to bust to do last cycle06:18
duanedesigns/bust/busy06:18
nigelbheh :)06:19
duanedesignnigelb: i think i got a case of trying to do what I wanted to help with, instead of doing what I had time to help with06:19
duanedesignnigelb: i need to update screencasts.ubuntu.com to Drupal6. So i am asking around to figure out who I can ask questions too ;)06:20
nigelbduanedesign: ah, feel free to give a shout :)06:21
* duanedesign is looking for the etherpad document popey was using as a toDo list for ucast06:42
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nigelbmorning kim0, ara :)07:41
kim0nigelb: o/ morning07:41
aramorning nigelb, kim0, all07:42
kim0ara: morning07:42
kim0Howdy everyone07:42
duanedesignhello kim007:44
duanedesignhello ara07:44
kim0duanedesign: hey :)07:44
duanedesignkim0: I have been wanting to tell you how much I liked your cloud blog post07:44
kim0duanedesign: hehe :) the one with the lots of pictures ?07:45
kim0or the 101 one07:45
duanedesignkim0: hehe, sorry that was a bit vague. 'You know that one about the cloud' kim0 replies 'most my posts are about the cloud' :)07:47
duanedesignkim0: cloud 10107:48
kim0duanedesign: hehe :)07:48
kim0duanedesign: ah yeah cool .. glad you found it interesting .. I'm planning another part to that07:48
kim0maybe two07:48
kim0duanedesign: thanks for mentioning that :)07:48
duanedesignkim0: i think a lot of people will find that useful. The term 'cloud' has been tossed around a lot creating some confusion. Also the ambiguous meaning the term used to have (everything outside the network).07:54
kim0dpm: morning :)08:01
dpmheya kim0, did you have a nice holiday?08:02
kim0dpm: yeah thanks :)08:02
dpmcool :)08:02
dpmgood morning everyone!08:02
nigelbmorning dpm :)08:06
dholbachgood morning!08:08
duanedesignmorning dholbach08:08
dholbachhiya duanedesign08:08
dpmmorning nigelb08:09
dpmgood morning dholbach, thanks for fixing my blueprint last night!08:09
duanedesigndholbach: the diagrams you used at UDS. The ones showing all the stuff to learn packaging. What app did you use to make those?08:10
dpmhey duanedesign08:10
duanedesignhello dpm08:10
kim0dholbach: hey morning :)08:10
dholbachdpm, no worries08:12
dholbachduanedesign, freemind08:12
dholbachhey kim008:12
nigelbhola dholbach08:12
dholbachkim0, had a good few days off?08:12
dholbachhi nigelb08:12
duanedesigndholbach:  aha, thank you kind sir08:12
kim0dholbach: yeah indeed08:12
czajkowskialoha09:02
dpmheya czajkowski09:07
dholbachhey czajkowski09:07
duanedesignhello czajkowski09:10
czajkowskiduanedesign: up a bit late aren'tn you09:12
czajkowskidpm: dholbach ello09:12
duanedesignczajkowski: heh, your right :) I took too long of a nap yesterday. Bad idea. Well, not at the time09:16
czajkowskiheh09:19
duanedesignczajkowski: hmm, what about a screencast on using the LoCo Directory? Do you find any particular features people are not using or asking questions about?09:19
* duanedesign is trying to come up with screencast ideas.09:20
czajkowskisigning up seems to cause some issues for som unknown reason09:20
* duanedesign nods09:20
duanedesignanyone have the link to etherpad doc popey was using for ucast ideas?09:21
duanedesignaha http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/Screencasts09:23
nigelbmorning czajkowski, randa :)09:26
randahi nigelb, dholbach, czajkowski09:27
dholbachhola randa!09:27
randadpm hi09:27
* czajkowski strangles paultag, my inbox is full again09:28
dpmhola randa!09:28
nigelbhrm, paultag has been promoted from throttling to strangling :p09:32
popeyduanedesign: you stealing my ideas?10:00
dholbachpopey, freedom hater10:03
popey:)10:03
* popey reboots his mac10:03
* czajkowski has an iphone10:03
czajkowskino working sim just yet10:04
popeywelcome to the club10:04
popeywhich iphone?10:04
czajkowskican I just say, what a stupid way to get a sim card out of a phone10:04
czajkowskinot the new one10:04
duanedesignpopey: i was looking for inspiration :)10:05
popeyduanedesign: :)10:05
duanedesignpopey: i got another one recorded this morning10:05
duanedesignpopey: after i eat breakfast i am gonna upload it10:05
czajkowskiduanedesign: do you mean midnight snack10:06
duanedesign:D10:06
duanedesignbrb10:07
nigelbczajkowski: 'technically' breakfast is what you have at or around sunrise, so that counts as breakfast :p10:08
nigelbczajkowski: what is the logic to decide if a team is a loco team or not?10:09
nigelbmember of ~locoteams ?10:10
czajkowskinigelb: well do you mean as an aproved/unapproved loco team  or just being a group of Ubuntu fans :)10:11
nigelbczajkowski: well, I'm trying to steal an action item from dholbach (i'm sure he'll be glad :p) to list out the loco teams members of bug control and ubuntu dev10:11
nigelb(so, from that point of view)10:12
dholbachnigelb, I'm on it already :)10:12
nigelbdang10:12
dholbachI can give you what I have already :)10:12
nigelb\o/10:12
nigelbwish there was a public gobby10:12
nigelbdholbach: can you pastebin it for me? :)10:12
czajkowskietherpad...10:13
nigelbI have a few hours to kill today10:13
nigelbczajkowski: no code highlight :/10:13
czajkowskiah10:13
dholbachnigelb, just a sec - want to see if at least the small bit I did works :)10:20
nigelbdholbach: sure, take your time :)10:20
* popey hugs etherpad10:23
czajkowskiaye I think that was my only issue at UDS this time, was that gobby was utterly shite, when it's been a lot reliable before, and I don't think etherpad is suitable yet I know folks love it.10:25
czajkowskiit was actually frustrating how many times Gobby went down during UDS and I know I'm missing notes from sessions :(10:25
nigelbczajkowski: The upstream of gobby is willing to work with us to fix it.  So I think its mostly a server bork than a gobby bork10:26
czajkowskinods10:27
nigelbczajkowski: gobby as such is pure awesomeness.  I'd like to demonstrate its power at work some time :D10:29
* popey prefers etherpad over gobby every time10:29
czajkowskiI'm with popey on this10:29
nigelbthere are times when I like gobby10:29
nigelbespecially for code10:29
czajkowskiit's a lot more powerful, just not to have 300+ on it10:29
popeyunless they can make a stable web version of gobby10:29
popeythat would rock10:29
nigelbdefinitely10:29
popeyso people could access via gobby client or a browser10:29
nigelboooh, that's nice10:30
czajkowskidear itchy nose please sod off, no love me10:30
* nigelb goes to check if they have plans10:30
nigelbdid you folks hear about the option in gedit which would work like gobby?10:30
nigelbI don't remember what it was called10:30
popeyalso, etherpad has history which gobby doesn't AFAIAA10:30
nigelbduanedesign (i think) told me a while back10:30
popeyso you can replay the document10:30
popeyabiword has it too10:30
jussietherpad also eats memory...10:30
popeyit's java, of course it does :)10:31
nigelblol10:31
* jussi rode in a cab with mr jones from uds :)10:31
nigelbanyone has run a gobby server?10:32
popeyyeah, I have10:32
popeyits very lightweight compared to etherpad, but quite flaky10:32
czajkowskiwell of course you have10:32
popeyhah10:32
czajkowski:p10:32
nigelbpopey: Did it have problems in your server too?10:33
czajkowskiI'm having a brain fart, what is the syntax to upgrade from one release to next again10:33
popeygobby? yeah, it fell over sometimes10:33
nigelbouch10:33
popeyczajkowski: sudo do-release-upgrade10:33
czajkowskithanks10:33
popeyor just run update-manager10:33
popey!upgrade10:33
ubot2For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes - see also http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/upgrade10:33
dholbachnigelb, it's still broken, but it's yours now: http://paste.ubuntu.com/52925510:34
nigelbdholbach: thank you \o/10:34
nigelb(I finally have an item :D)10:34
czajkowskihmmm10:36
czajkowskisays no update but I'm sure I'm on lucid10:36
czajkowskilet me reboot10:36
popeynooo!10:36
popeydont reboot silly10:36
popeygo to settings in update manager10:36
popeyby default LTS only offers upgrade to LTS10:36
popeyczajkowski: http://ucasts.tv/2010/11/08/ucast-0003-update-manager-intro/  you should watch that :)10:37
czajkowskishow new distribution releases: NORMAL10:37
popeyin the updates tab, does it show "lucid-security" and "lucid-updates" etc/10:37
popey?10:37
czajkowskihmm10:38
czajkowskibrb10:38
czajkowskihad ha;lf updated and hadn't rebooted10:41
czajkowskiall pretty now10:41
popeysilly rabbit10:41
czajkowskithese early morning don't bode well for my noggin10:41
czajkowskialso nearly 7 month not working :)10:42
czajkowskidear brain please work10:42
popeyhehe10:42
czajkowski:)10:43
dakerpopey, can you open ucasts with Chromuim ?10:55
popeydunno, i dont use chromium10:55
popeyi use chrome10:55
popeydoes it work for you?10:55
dakerno i am getting "Page(s) unresponsive"10:56
popeywhat url?10:56
dakerall of them10:56
popeyok, lets start with just one10:57
popeygive me a url that doesn't work10:57
popeyChrome/9.0.577.0 is you?10:58
dakerthis on doesn't work10:59
dakerhttp://ucasts.tv/2010/11/08/ucast-0003-update-manager-intro/10:59
dakerpopey, http://is.gd/gTItu11:01
dakerChromuim 9.0.577.0 (65479) Ubuntu 10.1011:01
popeyok, one mo11:01
popeydaker: try now?11:03
dakerpopey, now i have something but it's still waiting for something11:04
popeyok, let me try one more thing11:04
dakerhttp://is.gd/gTIVX11:05
popeytry now?11:06
dakersame as the first screenshot11:07
popeyhmm11:08
dakeri just see the header & the logo11:08
popeyok, have disabled caching, try now?11:08
dakerpopey, same as the second screenshot11:11
popeyhmm11:11
popeydoes chromium not just helpfully tell you what it's waiting on? :)11:11
czajkowskino chromium is less than helpful with error reporting11:12
czajkowskiit refused to let me open an internal wiki page earlier on11:12
dakerpopey, wait a second i'll try to debug11:13
popeythanks daker11:13
randadholbach: czajkowski I sent you guys an email (cc) just FYI11:14
czajkowskiranda: thanks11:14
dakerfirst thinng a javascript error11:17
dakerUnable to post message to http://googleads.g.doubleclick.net. Recipient has origin http://ucasts.tv.11:17
popeyhow odd11:17
* czajkowski hugs randa 11:34
Pendulumhiya11:36
czajkowskiPendulum: ello11:40
duanedesignmorning Pendulum11:43
nigelbmorning Pendulum :)11:45
randathanks czajkowski11:46
nigelbranda: czajkowski was about to strangle paultag for mails, be warned :P11:47
czajkowskinigelb: randa is totally didfferent and allowed to send me mails11:47
nigelbright right :p11:48
randanigelb ;)11:50
dakerpopey, it works now after upgrading to Chromuim 9.0.578.0 (65618)12:54
popeyyay!12:55
popeythanks for testing!12:55
dakerpopey, np12:57
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czajkowskiranda: you ok over there14:26
czajkowskiMillbank seems rather crazy14:26
Pendulumczajkowski: just saw something saying Millbank's being evacuated so she may not be by computer14:34
Piciyikes.14:35
PiciEverything okay?14:35
popeyhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-1172682214:35
popey"They have been burning placards nearby. Some broke into the lobby of the building, Millbank Tower."14:35
randaczajkowski: yes crazy though we evacuated14:37
randapopey: http://news.sky.com/skynews/14:38
randaim back now14:38
PiciYeesh, thats a bit scary.14:42
jcastrohi popey14:43
jcastrohttp://ubuntudevelopers.blip.tv/file/4363767/14:43
jcastroI got to use pitivi and it all worked!14:43
popey:)14:43
PiciHmm.. my computer didn't like that link very much: http://nullcortex.com/upload/images/screenshots/odd.png14:46
jcastropici: yikes14:48
duanedesignpopey: if you have time today could you copy over the new screencast I uploaded. 002-HowToCreatePGP.ogv14:48
jcastroPici: try now, the conversion to h264 is done14:48
Picijcastro: I just refreshed, looks better now.14:49
PiciI'll blame most of the issue on Windows though.  (*sadface*)14:49
jcastrothat font in your browser makes me sad14:50
popeyduanedesign: done14:51
czajkowskigah14:52
jcastrodholbach: good morning14:59
dholbachheya jcastro14:59
jcastroI was looking for UDS pics to show jill15:00
jcastroand look what I found15:00
jcastrohttp://photos.pixoulphotography.com/Events/UDS-Natty/14450330_Xqidv#1072209328_XmkLE15:00
jcastrous fixing your session!15:00
dholbachhaha, yes :)15:00
nigelbjcastro: I like your costume in the party :)15:06
jcastroheh15:07
duanedesignpopey: thank you kind sir15:19
popeynp15:19
nigelbduanedesign: I think you've been corrupted by doctormo :p15:20
popeyeasily done15:27
jcastrodholbach: omg, sit down15:35
jcastromvo accepted one of my branches!15:35
dholbachjcastro, I noticed :)15:36
jcastrohe must not have enough work to do15:37
nigelblol15:41
nigelbjcastro: did change the spelling of colour to color? ;)15:41
jcastroheh15:41
nigelbjcastro: j/k :)15:43
* nigelb hugs jcastro 15:43
jonohey all15:45
dpmhi jono15:45
nigelbhola jono15:45
Pendulummorning jono15:46
jonohey dpm, nigelb, Pendulum15:48
jcastrohttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=161816415:50
jcastrohah15:50
dholbachjono, ready to mumble? :)16:00
Piciheh16:00
jonodholbach, jcastro, dpm, kim0 logging in16:02
nisshhjcastro, lol, there have been some tweets on twitter about that :)16:10
nisshh(not that i use twitter)16:11
TechnovikingAre our freinds at Millbank ok?16:20
jcastrothey appear to be fine16:24
czajkowskipesky students16:27
jcastroTechnoviking: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=161816416:31
dholbachalright my friends, I call it a day - see you tomorrow!16:32
Technovikingjcastro: heh16:38
dpmok everyone, see you all tomorrow - have a nice rest of the day!16:58
sensegoedenavond18:45
paultagsense, that sounds like dirty German. Like a really drunk German from Austria18:51
paultagWait...18:52
paultagAustrian *18:52
sensepaultag: I'm offended!18:52
senseYou just insulted my language!18:52
senseHow dare you!18:52
paultagsense, Naja, naturlich :)18:52
paultagsense, Deutsch ist die sprache am besten :)18:52
senseSchade Deutschland, alles ist vorbei, alles ist vorbei, alles ist vorbei! Schade Deutschland, alles ist vorbei, alles ist vorbei, alles ist vorbei!18:52
paultaghehehe18:53
paultag<3 sense18:53
senseFootball choirs can be rude, but this one is actually quite polite. (compared to the rest)18:53
paultagoh yes :)18:53
paultagthe US Baseball teams the Red Sox and the Yankees have fans that get very nasty to the other18:54
paultagThat did not sound like English18:54
paultagI need to stop thinking German in my head sometimes18:55
sense:)18:55
senseI understand you.18:55
sensepaultag: Amsterdam AJAX fans call themselves the 'super Jews', so when Rotterdam Feynoord visists them some of their fans start making the sounds of leaking gas. It can get pretty bad.18:55
paultagoh nooo18:55
paultagI should not be laughing at all18:56
paultagthat's really bad18:56
senseIt is the worst case, because they got the most sensitive nickname,18:56
sensepaultag: Ronald Koeman, player in the Dutch eleven once wiped his ass with the shirt of a German player (they swap shirts after a game) after he had takena d ump.18:57
paultagouch18:57
senseand Dutch people used to scream 'give us our bikes back!' to Germans during football matches, a reference to WWII.18:58
senseand then they would throw their bikes at the Germans :P18:58
paultaghehe18:59
duanedesignhello sense paultag18:59
sensehi duanedesign18:59
paultaghey duanedesign18:59
duanedesigni am really starting to like unity. Once they get the few issues and bugs fixed I think it is going to be really awesome19:02
paultagI'm not a fan for sure. I'm going to either KDE or Fluxbox19:03
senseI can't wait to see how they will make it look on the desktop.19:03
paultagI can't stand it on the Netbooks19:03
jcastroI just need the performance fixed and I'll be fine19:03
sensepaultag: Linux Mint will keep classic GNOME 2.x!19:03
jcastroit's a dog on my desktop19:03
sensejcastro: What kind of dog?19:03
paultagsense, mint has tons of issues :(19:04
jcastroa woof-like dog19:04
paultagsense, some of their maintainers are just ouch. just ouch, man.19:04
duanedesignjcastro: yeah i saw a few systems where it was slow19:04
paultagsense, downstream they took my fluxbox package, took any mention of debian ( or us upstream ) out of it, and then bumped it to version 2.0 so it would "override" the Ubuntu default19:04
senseaw19:05
paultagsense, we've only released version 1.1.119:05
senseThat seems quite ugly19:05
sensepaultag: not even a 2:?19:05
paultagsense, nope.19:05
duanedesignjcastro: seems to run great on my laptop. My issues is being able to get to Nautilus easier.19:05
paultagsense, just fluxbox-2.019:05
senseargh19:07
jcastroduanedesign: there will be a button to launch nautilus by default19:10
jcastroI happened to be at the session where they decided which buttons to put on there19:10
senseno buttons, launchers19:10
duanedesignjcastro: nice. The session i was in they discussed some ideas but did not reach an agreement19:11
senseyou can remove the launchers if you wish, or by accident19:11
jcastrohttps://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/packageselection-desktop-n-bringing-desktop-and-netbook-image-closer19:14
jcastro* set of applications by default in the launcher:19:14
jcastro  - nautilus on both cases19:14
jcastro  - firefox19:14
jcastro  - ubuntu one19:14
jcastro  - tomboy19:14
jcastrovoila!19:14
sensejono: Are the Conservatives still in Millbank tower?19:17
senseTheir office was stormed today by students.19:17
senseor popey, or some other Brit19:18
duanedesignjcastro: going to be nice to have Ubuntu One back with some kind of indicator(launcher) on the desktop. Ever since they did away with the U1-applet users have been wanting it back.19:25
jcastroI know, I hate that I get no notifications19:25
jcastroI do "watch u1sdtool -s" in a terminal, hah19:25
duanedesignyeah. the results are a bit cryptic but if you check u1sdtool -s semi-regularly you start to pick up on what the different 'states' are19:27
duanedesignjcastro: i also use u1sdtool --waiting-metadata | wc -l  and   u1sdtool --waiting-content | wc -l  quite a bit to check how mant items are in the queue19:29
duanedesigns/mant/many19:30
senseduanedesign, jcastro: I learned the real trick in Brussels: set Ubuntu One's syncdaemon to debug mode and run tail -f on its log file.19:46
duanedesignsense: that is a good one19:52
senseyeah19:52
jcastro<-- late lunch20:15
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AlanBelljono: http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/plush/e1d0/#tabs21:26
AlanBellthe video is awesome21:27
paultagjcastro, are you around? This'll be the last time I bug you this week, I swear :)22:05
jcastroyo22:05
paultagjcastro, mind if I slide it to a PM ?22:06
jcastrogo ahead22:06
Pendulumpaultag: the week is only 1/2 over...22:06
paultagPendulum, yeah yeah :)22:06
paultagPendulum, usually I'm good about shutting up and getting my work done22:07
jcastrohey popey22:14
popeyyo22:14
jcastro2 hours until boxee's video stream announcement thing22:14
popeyoh?22:15
jonofolks22:15
jonohttp://www.flickr.com/photos/jonobacon/5164728083/22:15
jonoanyone want to add something similar to their blogs?22:15
jcastrohttp://blog.boxee.tv/2010/11/10/watch-the-boxee-box-by-d-link-launch-party-live/22:15
jcastrojono: as soon as I saw it I wanted it22:15
jcastroon it22:15
jonojcastro, cool :-)22:15
jcastrojono: where's there a button?22:15
jonojcastro, http://openrespect.org/share/22:16
jcastrohttp://castrojo.tumblr.com/post/1534225943/inside-the-banshee-awesome-factory22:19
jcastroclassy!22:20
jcastroI was going to put "Be nice or I'll kill you" as the header but whatever22:20
jcastrojono: speaking of, why don't we have a code of conduct button?22:20
jonojcastro, good point22:22
czajkowskijcastro: loving you on that bug atm22:22
jcastroczajkowski: heh22:22
czajkowskijono: my darling dearest you free for a quick pm22:23
jcastroczajkowski: it's like, we should have a popup!22:23
czajkowskijcastro: and soon (sometime this cycle) have  way of signing the lCoC which imo is so frigging badly needed22:23
duanedesignjcastro: just used smart playlists in Banshee to create a CD of my highest scored songs :)22:33
jcastroduanedesign: I know right? Awesome22:34
duanedesignit is. I am diggin' it22:34
jonoczajkowski, yup22:46
AlanBellbug 67092722:57
ubot2Launchpad bug 670927 in ubuntu-website "Can not print the "Leadership Code Of Conduct" (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/67092722:57
czajkowskiis this bug going to be pasted into multiple channels22:58
czajkowski:)22:58
cjohnstonyes22:59
Pendulumczajkowski: apparently? I've only been responsible for mentioning it in one. did not know it would show up other places :P23:01
jonopopey, good show23:08
popeyblimey, you listen!?23:08
jonoindeed :-)23:08
jononot all the time, but when I can23:08
popeythanks!23:08
jonono worries :-)23:08
jonokeep up the great work!23:08

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