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| skumara | ubuntu one is not connecting to cloud in ubuntu 10.10. when open it freezes for long time and the setup screen sso does not appear. anyone can help? | 03:22 |
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| achiang | hello, i've read the FAQ, but can't seem to figure out how to sync files outside of ~/Ubuntu One. i wonder if this has anything to do with the fact that i'm using maverick + unity | 03:29 |
| achiang | right-clicking a folder in nautilus does not show any options to sync with U1 | 03:30 |
| achiang | plz halp? honk honk. :) | 03:30 |
| duanedesign | achiang: hello | 04:04 |
| duanedesign | achiang: if you open nautilus do you find their are still no Ubuntu One options? | 04:05 |
| duanedesign | i am not in unity at the moment... | 04:05 |
| duanedesign | achiang: if all else fails you can use the command line and the u1sdtool to sync folders outside ~/Ubuntu One | 04:07 |
| jdobrien | duanedesign, hello | 04:07 |
| duanedesign | hello jdobrien | 04:08 |
| jdobrien | duanedesign, I just wanted to let you know...we've found why there's been problems with moves when there are large directory trees | 04:09 |
| jdobrien | duanedesign, working on fixes now...now sure when it will land in production | 04:10 |
| duanedesign | jdobrien: i was just reading the conversation about the moves from this morning :) | 04:10 |
| duanedesign | thats good news | 04:10 |
| jdobrien | duanedesign, very frustrating | 04:10 |
| psypher246 | hi u1 team, fw days ago there was a link to a page on how to install the latest u1 via ppa, what is that link again, i can't find anywhere | 05:56 |
| psypher246 | faq qorthy question | 05:56 |
| psypher246 | worthy* | 05:56 |
| psypher246 | honk | 06:08 |
| duanedesign | psypher246: hello | 06:12 |
| psypher246 | howzit duane, i literally just found it | 06:12 |
| psypher246 | ppa:ubuntuone/stable | 06:12 |
| psypher246 | gonna update on a second pc to see if the bug i picked up persists | 06:13 |
| duanedesign | that is it | 06:13 |
| duanedesign | sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntuone/stable | 06:13 |
| duanedesign | is an easy way to add the ppa. | 06:14 |
| duanedesign | .5 | 06:14 |
| psypher246 | do u know if the traffic shaping bug has been ficed? noone responded to my bug report a few weeks back | 06:14 |
| psypher246 | yeah i know | 06:14 |
| duanedesign | do you happen to have the bug number handy? | 06:23 |
| duanedesign | i think that bug has been fixed. I do not know if it has been backported yet. | 06:25 |
| psypher246 | there was a response, but after supplying requestde details nothing happened: 634013 | 06:26 |
| psypher246 | but if i'm running the PPA it should be fixed then?\ | 06:26 |
| duanedesign | yes | 06:27 |
| duanedesign | bug 634013 | 06:27 |
| ubot4 | duanedesign: Bug 634013 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/634013 is private | 06:27 |
| psypher246 | hmm after adding ppa | 06:28 |
| psypher246 | Reading state information... Done | 06:28 |
| psypher246 | The following packages have been kept back: | 06:28 |
| psypher246 | libubuntuone-1.0-1 python-ubuntuone python-ubuntuone-client ubuntuone-client | 06:28 |
| psypher246 | ubuntuone-client-gnome | 06:28 |
| psypher246 | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 5 not upgraded. | 06:28 |
| psypher246 | and ubuntone indicator is failing now | 06:28 |
| duanedesign | what version of Ubuntu? | 06:29 |
| psypher246 | lucid | 06:29 |
| duanedesign | ok | 06:29 |
| duanedesign | are the five it is holding back the ubuntu one packages? | 06:29 |
| duanedesign | oh wait | 06:29 |
| duanedesign | i see it | 06:30 |
| psypher246 | this worked fine on my laptop | 06:30 |
| psypher246 | weird | 06:30 |
| psypher246 | weird | 06:31 |
| psypher246 | can't upgarde cvia cli | 06:31 |
| psypher246 | but update manager works fine??? | 06:31 |
| duanedesign | psypher246: try installing them one at a time. sudo apt-get install ubuntuone-client | 06:31 |
| psypher246 | it's done | 06:31 |
| psypher246 | wtf? | 06:31 |
| psypher246 | make no sense | 06:31 |
| psypher246 | now indicator opens | 06:32 |
| psypher246 | god i wish someone would for once and for all fix this damn ubuntu keyring from coming up every time you chnage your desktop password. sometime ubuntu's regressions kills me | 06:32 |
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| psypher246 | duanedesign: looks like shapings working now | 07:36 |
| duanedesign | ok great | 07:37 |
| psypher246 | duanedesign: well working on 32bit, need to confirm on 64 as well | 07:37 |
| psypher246 | gonna test for a hwile still and doible confirm | 07:37 |
| bac | Q: my phone sync polluted my contact lists by creating lots of duplicates. is there a way using the web to delete them all and start over, syncing again from the phone? | 07:40 |
| psypher246 | duanedesign: if the ubuntuone indicator says meta: 90 items, content 3134, it';s not actually downloading yet hye, it's still busy syncing meta data? | 07:46 |
| duanedesign | yes psypher246 | 07:56 |
| duanedesign | it will not get to the content until the metadata is done | 07:57 |
| duanedesign | morning all | 10:04 |
| rye | duanedesign, morning! | 10:08 |
| duanedesign | good day mr rye | 11:34 |
| duanedesign | The weather is really nice right now where i am. Summer is finally starting to give way to cooler weather | 11:35 |
| rye | duanedesign, hm, i can say the same | 11:38 |
| rye | duanedesign, summer? Hm, 19 degrees celsius, and it is nearly winter here, according to the calendar :) | 11:38 |
| duanedesign | rye: ahh. Pretty close, it is 16c here | 11:40 |
| duanedesign | but the sun has not come up yet | 11:40 |
| duanedesign | rye: was talking to [j]dobrien last night. It sounds like he has the move bug figured out and working on a fix | 11:41 |
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| achiang | duanedesign: correct, if i open nautilus, there are no U1 options. | 15:27 |
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| rye | achiang, that may mean that nautilus extension found no syncdaemon running and decided to leave nautilus alone, you may try restarting nautilus - nautilus -q | 15:39 |
| achiang | rye: hm, what package provides syncdaemon? | 15:41 |
| rye | achiang, ubuntuone-client and ubuntuone-client-gnome provides the plugin for nautilus an ubuntuone-preferences | 15:41 |
| achiang | rye: ok, i do have those packages installed, but i don't see syncdaemon running | 15:43 |
| rye | achiang, you may want to start ubuntuone-preferences from MeMenu and see whether it works | 15:44 |
| achiang | rye: that helped, thanks. | 15:46 |
| achiang | rye: hm, is there something about syncing folders on an external drive that doesn't work? | 15:46 |
| rye | achiang, the official answer to that is "No, currently you can only select to synchronize folders inside your home directory. " | 15:47 |
| achiang | rye: ok, thanks. | 15:49 |
| achiang | makes U1 a little less useful for me. who wants to store large amounts of data in $HOME these days? | 15:50 |
| beuno | achiang, the huge vast majority of people stores large (all?) their data in $HOME ;) | 15:51 |
| beuno | starting by the fact that it's the default in the installer | 15:51 |
| achiang | my mental model of U1 is, "oh good, i have a place to backup my files into the cloud". my files are backed up locally on an external drive. i don't think that is a crazy use case | 15:53 |
| beuno | achiang, it isn't crazy, it's just not one of the primary use cases, so we haven't gotten around changing things to work outside of the home directory | 15:57 |
| achiang | beuno: ok, i guess that's fair enough. thanks for the help. | 15:58 |
| beuno | achiang, but I'll make sure mattgriffin knows about it :) | 15:59 |
| achiang | :) | 15:59 |
| mattgriffin | achiang: we've found that it's difficult to convey to users that u1 is not backup. it is sync. add a file to your desktop, it gets added to u1 (and all other syncing computers). remove a file from your desktop, it gets removed from u1 (and all other syncing computers). different than what most people think of as backup. | 16:01 |
| achiang | mattgriffin: maybe it's difficult to convey because users want it to be backup. | 16:03 |
| achiang | certainly that's what i want it for. why would i need the same 20GB synced around to all my various machines? if i have several machines, i've probably already figured out how to network them and get them talking to each other | 16:04 |
| mattgriffin | achiang: that's the issue though. for most people, keeping track of 20 GB of data (files, contacts, notes, and bookmarks) on multiple machines is not that easy. | 16:05 |
| achiang | but anyway, i don't mean to debate your design philosophy here. i got the answer to my technical question (my use case isn't valid for u1, so don't do that), so thank you to the folks who helped. | 16:05 |
| mattgriffin | achiang: it's good to get feedback from users. thanks! | 16:06 |
| achiang | mattgriffin: yeah, but wasn't there some report that said the vast majority of files stored in U1 are music files, and not really contacts, notes, bookmarks? | 16:06 |
| mattgriffin | achiang: haven't seen anything like that | 16:07 |
| mattgriffin | achiang: that could be the b/c of the problems we had in the past with syncing contacts | 16:08 |
| mattgriffin | s/the/true | 16:08 |
| achiang | from the little that i've played with dropbox (on windows), they seem to have a similar model. only files in Dropbox\ are synced | 16:09 |
| achiang | so at least U1 are no worse than the market leader. :) | 16:09 |
| mattgriffin | achiang: yeah. i think they also follow symlinks... something we've considered by haven't quite figured out technically | 16:10 |
| mattgriffin | achiang: based on what you know about Ubuntu One sync, how does it differ from backup for you? what extra benefits do you get from a backup solution? | 16:11 |
| achiang | mattgriffin: well, i'm a technical user, so when you say to me, "it's sync, not backup" i immediately grok what you're saying. i really wonder about non-technical users though, the ones that ubuntu are trying to reach. | 16:12 |
| achiang | on my machine, i have a relatively small SSD - 60GB, and it's filled with ubuntu development tarballs. my music, photos, etc. are on an external drive (2TB) | 16:13 |
| achiang | the size difference is one thing; but it also makes sharing with Windows a little easier | 16:13 |
| mattgriffin | achiang: having that data on an external drive? | 16:14 |
| achiang | obviously windows can't read ext? and i don't entirely trust linux to read/write ntfs | 16:14 |
| mattgriffin | heh. ok | 16:14 |
| achiang | yes, i dual boot into windows on occasion. linux support for raw photo editing is still.... poor. | 16:14 |
| achiang | also, while i do have multiple machines, the secondary machines are really test machines. i don't need files from my primary machine synced onto them | 16:16 |
| mattgriffin | achiang: gotcha | 16:16 |
| achiang | i'm a chromium user, and i found a little checkbox that says, "sync bookmarks across machines". it just seems to work, and that cured pretty much 95% of the pain i was having with multiple machines | 16:17 |
| mattgriffin | achiang: yeah. that's pretty cool | 16:17 |
| achiang | there are occasionally things that might be nice to sync up: ssh keys, dot files, etc. and i can see U1 being really nice for that. but i long ago rolled my own solution with a git repo and a script that creates symlinks to from my real dot files to their appropriate spots in $HOME | 16:18 |
| mattgriffin | achiang: so with your multiple machines, having the files physically on them isn't that important. but more just generally having access to them (or some of them on occasion) is helpful? | 16:18 |
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| achiang | that way, if i edit a dotfile in $HOME, it actually shows up in git diff in the repo; i know i need to push that change somewhere to keep it | 16:19 |
| achiang | mattgriffin: yes, i think that would be a fair way to characterize it. | 16:19 |
| achiang | mattgriffin: to answer your original question, i guess my mental model of U1 is "user friendly rsync, for a subset of directories you care about" | 16:20 |
| achiang | that's how it's different from backup to me | 16:20 |
| mattgriffin | achiang: ok. with that difference, what else does backup give you? | 16:20 |
| achiang | mattgriffin: well, the reason i started asking these questions is because i actually was quite excited to play with the mobile streaming feature. i bought a few albums from U1MS, and it was nice to stream them from the cloud onto my android app | 16:22 |
| mattgriffin | cool | 16:22 |
| achiang | so my next thought was, "oh goodie, now i just want to copy a few mp3s from my external drive to U1 so i can stream them too" | 16:22 |
| mattgriffin | achiang: gotcha. so drag and drop what you wanted to have access to from your mobile phone | 16:23 |
| achiang | right. and the limitation of files in $HOME was a little annoying (but again, as a technical user, i understand and appreciate that there are philosophical and technical reasons you don't support that) | 16:24 |
| mattgriffin | achiang: ok. this is really helpful | 16:24 |
| achiang | i guess from a design standpoint, it's a tricky issue. what if machine A has an external drive, with path /media/MyDrive and you *backup* folder Foo to U1. then you want to sync machine B that doesn't have the drive. where does Foo get downloaded to? | 16:26 |
| achiang | b:/Ubuntu One/Foo i guess would work | 16:26 |
| achiang | otoh, as a user, i'm thinking, "I paid for X GB of storage. does it really matter where on my hard drive that data exists before it goes into the cloud?" | 16:27 |
| achiang | i would think, "as long as I stay within my storage limits, I should be able to copy whatever I want, from wherever I want into there" | 16:27 |
| mattgriffin | achiang: right | 16:28 |
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| dobey | heh | 18:04 |
| * dobey reads the backlog about "syncing" random files | 18:04 | |
| nessita | hey rye, does this bug #673368 ring a bell for you? | 18:45 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 673368 in ubuntuone-client "latest ubuntuone is unstable and does not autoconnect on startup (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/673368 | 18:45 |
| nessita | rye: looks like a mismatch between u1client and ussoc | 18:45 |
| nessita | rye: are we even providing ussoc for Lucid? I would say no, but this user installed a particular PPA (the beta PAA I think?) | 18:45 |
| rye | nessita, we have stable ppa with goodies from maverick for Lucid, need to check whether sso is there | 18:50 |
| nessita | rye: could you please? thanks! | 18:52 |
| dobey | sso is in the stable ppa | 18:58 |
| rmcbride | yes it is | 20:36 |
| rmcbride | (2 hours later) | 20:36 |
| jderose | Ask Amber Graner about UbuntuOne :) http://cdn.novacut.com/ask-me-about-ubuntuone.oga | 20:48 |
| jderose | aquarius: ^^ | 20:49 |
| aquarius | jderose, heh! when was that? the Friday night party? | 20:52 |
| aquarius | I missed that :) | 20:52 |
| jderose | aquarius: yeah, right before the Hallelujah song. pretty sure you were there, just not all there. :) nor was i. | 20:53 |
| duanedesign | : | 20:53 |
| duanedesign | :) | 20:53 |
| aquarius | I was there; I remember Rebecca singing. Must have missed the U1 plug :P | 20:54 |
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| jderose | aquarius: i also put up the entire Allstars audio and a bunch of video clips: http://blog.novacut.com/2010/11/uds-hallelujah-video-lets-help-graner.html | 21:09 |
| waltercool | i have a question, for NON-Ubuntu users... how can i access to my account? Can i get values as Amazon S3 for use s3fs? | 23:38 |
| waltercool | (im using gentoo anyways) | 23:38 |
| beuno | waltercool, no | 23:40 |
| beuno | you can use the web ui | 23:40 |
| beuno | there will be more and mor APIs exposed | 23:40 |
| beuno | but for now it's either the Ubuntu desktop or the web | 23:41 |
| waltercool | beuno, but exist a "FUSE" method for Ubuntu One? | 23:41 |
| beuno | waltercool, no fuse method, no | 23:41 |
| waltercool | beuno, and someone will exist? A client should be launched for "Linux", not just for Ubuntu ;) | 23:42 |
| beuno | waltercool, we will not be building a universal client | 23:43 |
| beuno | there's work going on for a windows client | 23:43 |
| beuno | and there's work going on to provide APIs to access all your information | 23:43 |
| beuno | but no universal client of any sort on our plate | 23:43 |
| beuno | with those APIs, I guess anyone could do it | 23:44 |
| waltercool | beuno, the API for windows client will be public? :) | 23:44 |
| beuno | waltercool, the client is open source, yes | 23:44 |
| waltercool | or is a generic API (using http)? | 23:44 |
| beuno | you can in theory already build a client | 23:45 |
| beuno | the ubuntu client is open source as well | 23:45 |
| beuno | we're working on REST apis | 23:45 |
| beuno | and making it easier | 23:45 |
| beuno | but everything to build a client is out there | 23:45 |
| beuno | there's also a project for an android client | 23:45 |
| waltercool | beuno, the android client will work like u1sdtool? | 23:47 |
| waltercool | i mean, a GUI handling u1sdtool? | 23:48 |
| beuno | waltercool, no, it's a full-fledged client | 23:48 |
| beuno | waltercool, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AndroidU1 | 23:49 |
| waltercool | beuno, oh nice =D | 23:49 |
| waltercool | beuno, my next celphone (i hope) will be an Android, and i really want use some u1 features (lisen my bought music on streaming) :) | 23:51 |
| waltercool | good work anyways beuno ;) I would like see more features and giving a good lesson to Apple ;) | 23:52 |
| karni | and the new version of AU1 will be much better ;) | 23:52 |
| * beuno high-fives karni | 23:53 | |
| beuno | how's it going? | 23:53 |
| * karni \o beuno | 23:53 | |
| karni | beuno: I had to take a break for few days, but (!) I just came back home for 3 full free days, and I'm planning to dedicate my time to that | 23:53 |
| karni | beuno: from the dashboard, I made a neat services page that shows status of all services related to U1 | 23:54 |
| beuno | karni, awesome | 23:54 |
| beuno | where did you leave things? | 23:54 |
| karni | beuno: rephrase that please ^ ^ | 23:54 |
| * karni didn't quite get the question ;) | 23:54 | |
| beuno | karni, last time I saw, you where working on the build system with CardinalFang | 23:55 |
| karni | oh you mean that | 23:55 |
| beuno | did you manage to get beyond that and start refactoring? | 23:55 |
| karni | beuno: as far as I remember, there ware just a few little tweaks for he's branch -- neat ant setup for everybody | 23:55 |
| karni | beuno: I must say, I think I was supposed to fix something.. CardinalFang -- I was supposed to help you out with the ant setup, or have we finished that? | 23:56 |
| beuno | I don't remember :) | 23:56 |
| karni | beuno: anyway, then I started to write stuff from scratch, layout stuff properly in different files, using XML more extensively (as advised by Android) | 23:56 |
| karni | beuno: tomorrow I hope to write the content provider, which is basically the main guts (along with the sync client) | 23:57 |
| karni | beuno: having that, the rest of UI should be relatively easy. | 23:57 |
| beuno | karni, it's going to be awesome | 23:58 |
| karni | beuno: I'm not talking much recently because I want to have things done first, and then report back when at least bigger part of it is ready. | 23:58 |
| beuno | sure | 23:58 |
| karni | beuno: so I'm also working on myself. do first, say later. | 23:58 |
| beuno | I've been neck-deep in roadmap planning | 23:58 |
| beuno | so just coming up for air today :) | 23:58 |
| karni | so yeah.. I've got 3 days now, so I hope to come up with some good piece of code :) | 23:58 |
| karni | beuno: ah, I see :) | 23:59 |
| beuno | this release is going to be awesome | 23:59 |
| karni | I'll start tomorrow with reviewing CardinalFang's branch (so that we can merge, if it's all set), and get to that ContentProvider. | 23:59 |
| karni | beuno: no doubt! | 23:59 |
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