=== urbanape_ is now known as urbanape [03:22] ubuntu one is not connecting to cloud in ubuntu 10.10. when open it freezes for long time and the setup screen sso does not appear. anyone can help? [03:29] hello, i've read the FAQ, but can't seem to figure out how to sync files outside of ~/Ubuntu One. i wonder if this has anything to do with the fact that i'm using maverick + unity [03:30] right-clicking a folder in nautilus does not show any options to sync with U1 [03:30] plz halp? honk honk. :) [04:04] achiang: hello [04:05] achiang: if you open nautilus do you find their are still no Ubuntu One options? [04:05] i am not in unity at the moment... [04:07] achiang: if all else fails you can use the command line and the u1sdtool to sync folders outside ~/Ubuntu One [04:07] duanedesign, hello [04:08] hello jdobrien [04:09] duanedesign, I just wanted to let you know...we've found why there's been problems with moves when there are large directory trees [04:10] duanedesign, working on fixes now...now sure when it will land in production [04:10] jdobrien: i was just reading the conversation about the moves from this morning :) [04:10] thats good news [04:10] duanedesign, very frustrating [05:56] hi u1 team, fw days ago there was a link to a page on how to install the latest u1 via ppa, what is that link again, i can't find anywhere [05:56] faq qorthy question [05:56] worthy* [06:08] honk [06:12] psypher246: hello [06:12] howzit duane, i literally just found it [06:12] ppa:ubuntuone/stable [06:13] gonna update on a second pc to see if the bug i picked up persists [06:13] that is it [06:13] sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntuone/stable [06:14] is an easy way to add the ppa. [06:14] .5 [06:14] do u know if the traffic shaping bug has been ficed? noone responded to my bug report a few weeks back [06:14] yeah i know [06:23] do you happen to have the bug number handy? [06:25] i think that bug has been fixed. I do not know if it has been backported yet. [06:26] there was a response, but after supplying requestde details nothing happened: 634013 [06:26] but if i'm running the PPA it should be fixed then?\ [06:27] yes [06:27] bug 634013 [06:27] duanedesign: Bug 634013 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/634013 is private [06:28] hmm after adding ppa [06:28] Reading state information... Done [06:28] The following packages have been kept back: [06:28] libubuntuone-1.0-1 python-ubuntuone python-ubuntuone-client ubuntuone-client [06:28] ubuntuone-client-gnome [06:28] 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 5 not upgraded. [06:28] and ubuntone indicator is failing now [06:29] what version of Ubuntu? [06:29] lucid [06:29] ok [06:29] are the five it is holding back the ubuntu one packages? [06:29] oh wait [06:30] i see it [06:30] this worked fine on my laptop [06:30] weird [06:31] weird [06:31] can't upgarde cvia cli [06:31] but update manager works fine??? [06:31] psypher246: try installing them one at a time. sudo apt-get install ubuntuone-client [06:31] it's done [06:31] wtf? [06:31] make no sense [06:32] now indicator opens [06:32] god i wish someone would for once and for all fix this damn ubuntu keyring from coming up every time you chnage your desktop password. sometime ubuntu's regressions kills me === Tm_K is now known as Tm_T [07:36] duanedesign: looks like shapings working now [07:37] ok great [07:37] duanedesign: well working on 32bit, need to confirm on 64 as well [07:37] gonna test for a hwile still and doible confirm [07:40] Q: my phone sync polluted my contact lists by creating lots of duplicates. is there a way using the web to delete them all and start over, syncing again from the phone? [07:46] duanedesign: if the ubuntuone indicator says meta: 90 items, content 3134, it';s not actually downloading yet hye, it's still busy syncing meta data? [07:56] yes psypher246 [07:57] it will not get to the content until the metadata is done [10:04] morning all [10:08] duanedesign, morning! [11:34] good day mr rye [11:35] The weather is really nice right now where i am. Summer is finally starting to give way to cooler weather [11:38] duanedesign, hm, i can say the same [11:38] duanedesign, summer? Hm, 19 degrees celsius, and it is nearly winter here, according to the calendar :) [11:40] rye: ahh. Pretty close, it is 16c here [11:40] but the sun has not come up yet [11:41] rye: was talking to [j]dobrien last night. It sounds like he has the move bug figured out and working on a fix === teknico is now known as teknico_away === teknico_away is now known as teknico === Zeta is now known as Zetha === Zetha is now known as ZethaZ === ZethaZ is now known as Cibort === achiang` is now known as achiang [15:27] duanedesign: correct, if i open nautilus, there are no U1 options. === zyga is now known as zyga-lunch [15:39] achiang, that may mean that nautilus extension found no syncdaemon running and decided to leave nautilus alone, you may try restarting nautilus - nautilus -q [15:41] rye: hm, what package provides syncdaemon? [15:41] achiang, ubuntuone-client and ubuntuone-client-gnome provides the plugin for nautilus an ubuntuone-preferences [15:43] rye: ok, i do have those packages installed, but i don't see syncdaemon running [15:44] achiang, you may want to start ubuntuone-preferences from MeMenu and see whether it works [15:46] rye: that helped, thanks. [15:46] rye: hm, is there something about syncing folders on an external drive that doesn't work? [15:47] achiang, the official answer to that is "No, currently you can only select to synchronize folders inside your home directory. " [15:49] rye: ok, thanks. [15:50] makes U1 a little less useful for me. who wants to store large amounts of data in $HOME these days? [15:51] achiang, the huge vast majority of people stores large (all?) their data in $HOME ;) [15:51] starting by the fact that it's the default in the installer [15:53] my mental model of U1 is, "oh good, i have a place to backup my files into the cloud". my files are backed up locally on an external drive. i don't think that is a crazy use case [15:57] achiang, it isn't crazy, it's just not one of the primary use cases, so we haven't gotten around changing things to work outside of the home directory [15:58] beuno: ok, i guess that's fair enough. thanks for the help. [15:59] achiang, but I'll make sure mattgriffin knows about it :) [15:59] :) [16:01] achiang: we've found that it's difficult to convey to users that u1 is not backup. it is sync. add a file to your desktop, it gets added to u1 (and all other syncing computers). remove a file from your desktop, it gets removed from u1 (and all other syncing computers). different than what most people think of as backup. [16:03] mattgriffin: maybe it's difficult to convey because users want it to be backup. [16:04] certainly that's what i want it for. why would i need the same 20GB synced around to all my various machines? if i have several machines, i've probably already figured out how to network them and get them talking to each other [16:05] achiang: that's the issue though. for most people, keeping track of 20 GB of data (files, contacts, notes, and bookmarks) on multiple machines is not that easy. [16:05] but anyway, i don't mean to debate your design philosophy here. i got the answer to my technical question (my use case isn't valid for u1, so don't do that), so thank you to the folks who helped. [16:06] achiang: it's good to get feedback from users. thanks! [16:06] mattgriffin: yeah, but wasn't there some report that said the vast majority of files stored in U1 are music files, and not really contacts, notes, bookmarks? [16:07] achiang: haven't seen anything like that [16:08] achiang: that could be the b/c of the problems we had in the past with syncing contacts [16:08] s/the/true [16:09] from the little that i've played with dropbox (on windows), they seem to have a similar model. only files in Dropbox\ are synced [16:09] so at least U1 are no worse than the market leader. :) [16:10] achiang: yeah. i think they also follow symlinks... something we've considered by haven't quite figured out technically [16:11] achiang: based on what you know about Ubuntu One sync, how does it differ from backup for you? what extra benefits do you get from a backup solution? [16:12] mattgriffin: well, i'm a technical user, so when you say to me, "it's sync, not backup" i immediately grok what you're saying. i really wonder about non-technical users though, the ones that ubuntu are trying to reach. [16:13] on my machine, i have a relatively small SSD - 60GB, and it's filled with ubuntu development tarballs. my music, photos, etc. are on an external drive (2TB) [16:13] the size difference is one thing; but it also makes sharing with Windows a little easier [16:14] achiang: having that data on an external drive? [16:14] obviously windows can't read ext? and i don't entirely trust linux to read/write ntfs [16:14] heh. ok [16:14] yes, i dual boot into windows on occasion. linux support for raw photo editing is still.... poor. [16:16] also, while i do have multiple machines, the secondary machines are really test machines. i don't need files from my primary machine synced onto them [16:16] achiang: gotcha [16:17] i'm a chromium user, and i found a little checkbox that says, "sync bookmarks across machines". it just seems to work, and that cured pretty much 95% of the pain i was having with multiple machines [16:17] achiang: yeah. that's pretty cool [16:18] there are occasionally things that might be nice to sync up: ssh keys, dot files, etc. and i can see U1 being really nice for that. but i long ago rolled my own solution with a git repo and a script that creates symlinks to from my real dot files to their appropriate spots in $HOME [16:18] achiang: so with your multiple machines, having the files physically on them isn't that important. but more just generally having access to them (or some of them on occasion) is helpful? === beuno is now known as beuno-lunch [16:19] that way, if i edit a dotfile in $HOME, it actually shows up in git diff in the repo; i know i need to push that change somewhere to keep it [16:19] mattgriffin: yes, i think that would be a fair way to characterize it. [16:20] mattgriffin: to answer your original question, i guess my mental model of U1 is "user friendly rsync, for a subset of directories you care about" [16:20] that's how it's different from backup to me [16:20] achiang: ok. with that difference, what else does backup give you? [16:22] mattgriffin: well, the reason i started asking these questions is because i actually was quite excited to play with the mobile streaming feature. i bought a few albums from U1MS, and it was nice to stream them from the cloud onto my android app [16:22] cool [16:22] so my next thought was, "oh goodie, now i just want to copy a few mp3s from my external drive to U1 so i can stream them too" [16:23] achiang: gotcha. so drag and drop what you wanted to have access to from your mobile phone [16:24] right. and the limitation of files in $HOME was a little annoying (but again, as a technical user, i understand and appreciate that there are philosophical and technical reasons you don't support that) [16:24] achiang: ok. this is really helpful [16:26] i guess from a design standpoint, it's a tricky issue. what if machine A has an external drive, with path /media/MyDrive and you *backup* folder Foo to U1. then you want to sync machine B that doesn't have the drive. where does Foo get downloaded to? [16:26] b:/Ubuntu One/Foo i guess would work [16:27] otoh, as a user, i'm thinking, "I paid for X GB of storage. does it really matter where on my hard drive that data exists before it goes into the cloud?" [16:27] i would think, "as long as I stay within my storage limits, I should be able to copy whatever I want, from wherever I want into there" [16:28] achiang: right === zyga is now known as zyga-gone === beuno-lunch is now known as beuno [18:04] heh [18:04] * dobey reads the backlog about "syncing" random files [18:45] hey rye, does this bug #673368 ring a bell for you? [18:45] Launchpad bug 673368 in ubuntuone-client "latest ubuntuone is unstable and does not autoconnect on startup (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/673368 [18:45] rye: looks like a mismatch between u1client and ussoc [18:45] rye: are we even providing ussoc for Lucid? I would say no, but this user installed a particular PPA (the beta PAA I think?) [18:50] nessita, we have stable ppa with goodies from maverick for Lucid, need to check whether sso is there [18:52] rye: could you please? thanks! [18:58] sso is in the stable ppa [20:36] yes it is [20:36] (2 hours later) [20:48] Ask Amber Graner about UbuntuOne :) http://cdn.novacut.com/ask-me-about-ubuntuone.oga [20:49] aquarius: ^^ [20:52] jderose, heh! when was that? the Friday night party? [20:52] I missed that :) [20:53] aquarius: yeah, right before the Hallelujah song. pretty sure you were there, just not all there. :) nor was i. [20:53] : [20:53] :) [20:54] I was there; I remember Rebecca singing. Must have missed the U1 plug :P === zyga-gone is now known as zyga [21:09] aquarius: i also put up the entire Allstars audio and a bunch of video clips: http://blog.novacut.com/2010/11/uds-hallelujah-video-lets-help-graner.html [23:38] i have a question, for NON-Ubuntu users... how can i access to my account? Can i get values as Amazon S3 for use s3fs? [23:38] (im using gentoo anyways) [23:40] waltercool, no [23:40] you can use the web ui [23:40] there will be more and mor APIs exposed [23:41] but for now it's either the Ubuntu desktop or the web [23:41] beuno, but exist a "FUSE" method for Ubuntu One? [23:41] waltercool, no fuse method, no [23:42] beuno, and someone will exist? A client should be launched for "Linux", not just for Ubuntu ;) [23:43] waltercool, we will not be building a universal client [23:43] there's work going on for a windows client [23:43] and there's work going on to provide APIs to access all your information [23:43] but no universal client of any sort on our plate [23:44] with those APIs, I guess anyone could do it [23:44] beuno, the API for windows client will be public? :) [23:44] waltercool, the client is open source, yes [23:44] or is a generic API (using http)? [23:45] you can in theory already build a client [23:45] the ubuntu client is open source as well [23:45] we're working on REST apis [23:45] and making it easier [23:45] but everything to build a client is out there [23:45] there's also a project for an android client [23:47] beuno, the android client will work like u1sdtool? [23:48] i mean, a GUI handling u1sdtool? [23:48] waltercool, no, it's a full-fledged client [23:49] waltercool, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AndroidU1 [23:49] beuno, oh nice =D [23:51] beuno, my next celphone (i hope) will be an Android, and i really want use some u1 features (lisen my bought music on streaming) :) [23:52] good work anyways beuno ;) I would like see more features and giving a good lesson to Apple ;) [23:52] and the new version of AU1 will be much better ;) [23:53] * beuno high-fives karni [23:53] how's it going? [23:53] * karni \o beuno [23:53] beuno: I had to take a break for few days, but (!) I just came back home for 3 full free days, and I'm planning to dedicate my time to that [23:54] beuno: from the dashboard, I made a neat services page that shows status of all services related to U1 [23:54] karni, awesome [23:54] where did you leave things? [23:54] beuno: rephrase that please ^ ^ [23:54] * karni didn't quite get the question ;) [23:55] karni, last time I saw, you where working on the build system with CardinalFang [23:55] oh you mean that [23:55] did you manage to get beyond that and start refactoring? [23:55] beuno: as far as I remember, there ware just a few little tweaks for he's branch -- neat ant setup for everybody [23:56] beuno: I must say, I think I was supposed to fix something.. CardinalFang -- I was supposed to help you out with the ant setup, or have we finished that? [23:56] I don't remember :) [23:56] beuno: anyway, then I started to write stuff from scratch, layout stuff properly in different files, using XML more extensively (as advised by Android) [23:57] beuno: tomorrow I hope to write the content provider, which is basically the main guts (along with the sync client) [23:57] beuno: having that, the rest of UI should be relatively easy. [23:58] karni, it's going to be awesome [23:58] beuno: I'm not talking much recently because I want to have things done first, and then report back when at least bigger part of it is ready. [23:58] sure [23:58] beuno: so I'm also working on myself. do first, say later. [23:58] I've been neck-deep in roadmap planning [23:58] so just coming up for air today :) [23:58] so yeah.. I've got 3 days now, so I hope to come up with some good piece of code :) [23:59] beuno: ah, I see :) [23:59] this release is going to be awesome [23:59] I'll start tomorrow with reviewing CardinalFang's branch (so that we can merge, if it's all set), and get to that ContentProvider. [23:59] beuno: no doubt!