[03:22] <skumara> ubuntu one is not connecting to cloud in ubuntu 10.10. when open it freezes for long time and the setup screen sso does not appear. anyone can help?
[03:29] <achiang> hello, i've read the FAQ, but can't seem to figure out how to sync files outside of ~/Ubuntu One. i wonder if this has anything to do with the fact that i'm using maverick + unity
[03:30] <achiang> right-clicking a folder in nautilus does not show any options to sync with U1
[03:30] <achiang> plz halp? honk honk. :)
[04:04] <duanedesign> achiang: hello
[04:05] <duanedesign> achiang: if you open nautilus do you find their are still no Ubuntu One options?
[04:05] <duanedesign> i am not in unity at the moment...
[04:07] <duanedesign> achiang: if all else fails you can use the command line and the u1sdtool to sync folders outside ~/Ubuntu One
[04:07] <jdobrien> duanedesign, hello
[04:08] <duanedesign> hello jdobrien
[04:09] <jdobrien> duanedesign, I just wanted to let you know...we've found why there's been problems with moves when there are large directory trees
[04:10] <jdobrien> duanedesign, working on fixes now...now sure when it will land in production
[04:10] <duanedesign> jdobrien: i was just reading the conversation about the moves from this morning :)
[04:10] <duanedesign> thats good news
[04:10] <jdobrien> duanedesign, very frustrating
[05:56] <psypher246> hi u1 team, fw days ago there was a link to a page on how to install the latest u1 via ppa, what is that link again, i can't find anywhere
[05:56] <psypher246> faq qorthy question
[05:56] <psypher246> worthy*
[06:08] <psypher246> honk
[06:12] <duanedesign> psypher246: hello
[06:12] <psypher246> howzit duane, i literally just found it
[06:12] <psypher246> ppa:ubuntuone/stable
[06:13] <psypher246> gonna update on a second pc to see if the bug i picked up persists
[06:13] <duanedesign> that is it
[06:13] <duanedesign> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntuone/stable
[06:14] <duanedesign> is an easy way to add the ppa.
[06:14] <duanedesign> .5
[06:14] <psypher246> do u know if the traffic shaping bug has been ficed? noone responded to my bug report a few weeks back
[06:14] <psypher246> yeah i know
[06:23] <duanedesign> do you happen to have the bug number handy?
[06:25] <duanedesign> i think that bug has been fixed. I do not know if it has been backported yet.
[06:26] <psypher246> there was a response, but after supplying requestde details nothing happened: 634013
[06:26] <psypher246> but if i'm running the PPA it should be fixed then?\
[06:27] <duanedesign> yes
[06:27] <duanedesign> bug 634013
[06:27] <ubot4> duanedesign: Bug 634013 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/634013 is private
[06:28] <psypher246> hmm after adding ppa
[06:28] <psypher246> Reading state information... Done
[06:28] <psypher246> The following packages have been kept back:
[06:28] <psypher246>   libubuntuone-1.0-1 python-ubuntuone python-ubuntuone-client ubuntuone-client
[06:28] <psypher246>   ubuntuone-client-gnome
[06:28] <psypher246> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 5 not upgraded.
[06:28] <psypher246> and ubuntone indicator is failing now
[06:29] <duanedesign> what version of Ubuntu?
[06:29] <psypher246> lucid
[06:29] <duanedesign> ok
[06:29] <duanedesign> are the five it is holding back the ubuntu one packages?
[06:29] <duanedesign> oh wait
[06:30] <duanedesign> i see it
[06:30] <psypher246> this worked fine on my laptop
[06:30] <psypher246> weird
[06:31] <psypher246> weird
[06:31] <psypher246> can't upgarde cvia cli
[06:31] <psypher246> but update manager works fine???
[06:31] <duanedesign> psypher246: try installing them one at a time. sudo apt-get install ubuntuone-client
[06:31] <psypher246> it's done
[06:31] <psypher246> wtf?
[06:31] <psypher246> make no sense
[06:32] <psypher246> now indicator opens
[06:32] <psypher246> god i wish someone would for once and for all fix this damn ubuntu keyring from coming up every time you chnage your desktop password. sometime ubuntu's regressions kills me
[07:36] <psypher246> duanedesign: looks like shapings working now
[07:37] <duanedesign> ok great
[07:37] <psypher246> duanedesign: well working on 32bit, need to confirm on 64 as well
[07:37] <psypher246> gonna test for a hwile still and doible confirm
[07:40] <bac> Q: my phone sync polluted my contact lists by creating lots of duplicates.  is there a way using the web to delete them all and start over, syncing again from the phone?
[07:46] <psypher246> duanedesign: if the ubuntuone indicator says meta: 90 items, content 3134, it';s not actually downloading yet hye, it's still busy syncing meta data?
[07:56] <duanedesign> yes psypher246
[07:57] <duanedesign> it will not get to the content until the metadata is done
[10:04] <duanedesign> morning all
[10:08] <rye> duanedesign, morning!
[11:34] <duanedesign> good day mr rye
[11:35] <duanedesign> The weather is really nice right now where i am. Summer is finally starting to give way to cooler weather
[11:38] <rye> duanedesign, hm, i can say the same
[11:38] <rye> duanedesign, summer? Hm, 19 degrees celsius, and it is nearly winter here, according to the calendar :)
[11:40] <duanedesign> rye: ahh. Pretty close, it is 16c here
[11:40] <duanedesign> but the sun has not come up yet
[11:41] <duanedesign> rye: was talking to [j]dobrien last night. It sounds like he has the move bug figured out and working on a fix
[15:27] <achiang> duanedesign: correct, if i open nautilus, there are no U1 options.
[15:39] <rye> achiang, that may mean that nautilus extension found no syncdaemon running and decided to leave nautilus alone, you may try restarting nautilus - nautilus -q
[15:41] <achiang> rye: hm, what package provides syncdaemon?
[15:41] <rye> achiang, ubuntuone-client and ubuntuone-client-gnome provides the plugin for nautilus an ubuntuone-preferences
[15:43] <achiang> rye: ok, i do have those packages installed, but i don't see syncdaemon running
[15:44] <rye> achiang, you may want to start ubuntuone-preferences from MeMenu and see whether it works
[15:46] <achiang> rye: that helped, thanks.
[15:46] <achiang> rye: hm, is there something about syncing folders on an external drive that doesn't work?
[15:47] <rye> achiang, the official answer to that is "No, currently you can only select to synchronize folders inside your home directory. "
[15:49] <achiang> rye: ok, thanks.
[15:50] <achiang> makes U1 a little less useful for me. who wants to store large amounts of data in $HOME these days?
[15:51] <beuno> achiang, the huge vast majority of people stores large (all?) their data in $HOME  ;)
[15:51] <beuno> starting by the fact that it's the default in the installer
[15:53] <achiang> my mental model of U1 is, "oh good, i have a place to backup my files into the cloud". my files are backed up locally on an external drive. i don't think that is a crazy use case
[15:57] <beuno> achiang, it isn't crazy, it's just not one of the primary use cases, so we haven't gotten around changing things to work outside of the home directory
[15:58] <achiang> beuno: ok, i guess that's fair enough. thanks for the help.
[15:59] <beuno> achiang, but I'll make sure mattgriffin knows about it  :)
[15:59] <achiang> :)
[16:01] <mattgriffin> achiang: we've found that it's difficult to convey to users that u1 is not backup. it is sync. add a file to your desktop, it gets added to u1 (and all other syncing computers). remove a file from your desktop, it gets removed from u1 (and all other syncing computers). different than what most people think of as backup.
[16:03] <achiang> mattgriffin: maybe it's difficult to convey because users want it to be backup.
[16:04] <achiang> certainly that's what i want it for. why would i need the same 20GB synced around to all my various machines? if i have several machines, i've probably already figured out how to network them and get them talking to each other
[16:05] <mattgriffin> achiang: that's the issue though. for most people, keeping track of 20 GB of data (files, contacts, notes, and bookmarks) on multiple machines is not that easy.
[16:05] <achiang> but anyway, i don't mean to debate your design philosophy here. i got the answer to my technical question (my use case isn't valid for u1, so don't do that), so thank you to the folks who helped.
[16:06] <mattgriffin> achiang: it's good to get feedback from users. thanks!
[16:06] <achiang> mattgriffin: yeah, but wasn't there some report that said the vast majority of files stored in U1 are music files, and not really contacts, notes, bookmarks?
[16:07] <mattgriffin> achiang: haven't seen anything like that
[16:08] <mattgriffin> achiang: that could be the b/c of the problems we had in the past with syncing contacts
[16:08] <mattgriffin> s/the/true
[16:09] <achiang> from the little that i've played with dropbox (on windows), they seem to have a similar model. only files in Dropbox\ are synced
[16:09] <achiang> so at least U1 are no worse than the market leader. :)
[16:10] <mattgriffin> achiang: yeah. i think they also follow symlinks... something we've considered by haven't quite figured out technically
[16:11] <mattgriffin> achiang: based on what you know about Ubuntu One sync, how does it differ from backup for you? what extra benefits do you get from a backup solution?
[16:12] <achiang> mattgriffin: well, i'm a technical user, so when you say to me, "it's sync, not backup" i immediately grok what you're saying. i really wonder about non-technical users though, the ones that ubuntu are trying to reach.
[16:13] <achiang> on my machine, i have a relatively small SSD - 60GB, and it's filled with ubuntu development tarballs. my music, photos, etc. are on an external drive (2TB)
[16:13] <achiang> the size difference is one thing; but it also makes sharing with Windows a little easier
[16:14] <mattgriffin> achiang: having that data on an external drive?
[16:14] <achiang> obviously windows can't read ext? and i don't entirely trust linux to read/write ntfs
[16:14] <mattgriffin> heh. ok
[16:14] <achiang> yes, i dual boot into windows on occasion. linux support for raw photo editing is still.... poor.
[16:16] <achiang> also, while i do have multiple machines, the secondary machines are really test machines. i don't need files from my primary machine synced onto them
[16:16] <mattgriffin> achiang: gotcha
[16:17] <achiang> i'm a chromium user, and i found a little checkbox that says, "sync bookmarks across machines". it just seems to work, and that cured pretty much 95% of the pain i was having with multiple machines
[16:17] <mattgriffin> achiang: yeah. that's pretty cool
[16:18] <achiang> there are occasionally things that might be nice to sync up: ssh keys, dot files, etc. and i can see U1 being really nice for that. but i long ago rolled my own solution with a git repo and a script that creates symlinks to from my real dot files to their appropriate spots in $HOME
[16:18] <mattgriffin> achiang: so with your multiple machines, having the files physically on them isn't that important. but more just generally having access to them (or some of them on occasion) is helpful?
[16:19] <achiang> that way, if i edit a dotfile in $HOME, it actually shows up in git diff in the repo; i know i need to push that change somewhere to keep it
[16:19] <achiang> mattgriffin: yes, i think that would be a fair way to characterize it.
[16:20] <achiang> mattgriffin: to answer your original question, i guess my mental model of U1 is "user friendly rsync, for a subset of directories you care about"
[16:20] <achiang> that's how it's different from backup to me
[16:20] <mattgriffin> achiang: ok. with that difference, what else does backup give you?
[16:22] <achiang> mattgriffin: well, the reason i started asking these questions is because i actually was quite excited to play with the mobile streaming feature. i bought a few albums from U1MS, and it was nice to stream them from the cloud onto my android app
[16:22] <mattgriffin> cool
[16:22] <achiang> so my next thought was, "oh goodie, now i just want to copy a few mp3s from my external drive to U1 so i can stream them too"
[16:23] <mattgriffin> achiang: gotcha. so drag and drop what you wanted to have access to from your mobile phone
[16:24] <achiang> right. and the limitation of files in $HOME was a little annoying (but again, as a technical user, i understand and appreciate that there are philosophical and technical reasons you don't support that)
[16:24] <mattgriffin> achiang: ok. this is really helpful
[16:26] <achiang> i guess from a design standpoint, it's a tricky issue. what if machine A has an external drive, with path /media/MyDrive and you *backup* folder Foo to U1. then you want to sync machine B that doesn't have the drive. where does Foo get downloaded to?
[16:26] <achiang> b:/Ubuntu One/Foo i guess would work
[16:27] <achiang> otoh, as a user, i'm thinking, "I paid for X GB of storage. does it really matter where on my hard drive that data exists before it goes into the cloud?"
[16:27] <achiang> i would think, "as long as I stay within my storage limits, I should be able to copy whatever I want, from wherever I want into there"
[16:28] <mattgriffin> achiang: right
[18:04] <dobey> heh
[18:04]  * dobey reads the backlog about "syncing" random files
[18:45] <nessita> hey rye, does this bug #673368 ring a bell for you?
[18:45] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 673368 in ubuntuone-client "latest ubuntuone is unstable and does not autoconnect on startup (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/673368
[18:45] <nessita> rye: looks like a mismatch between u1client and ussoc
[18:45] <nessita> rye: are we even providing ussoc for Lucid? I would say no, but this user installed a particular PPA (the beta PAA I think?)
[18:50] <rye> nessita, we have stable ppa with goodies from maverick for Lucid, need to check whether sso is there
[18:52] <nessita> rye: could you please? thanks!
[18:58] <dobey> sso is in the stable ppa
[20:36] <rmcbride> yes it is
[20:36] <rmcbride> (2 hours later)
[20:48] <jderose> Ask Amber Graner about UbuntuOne :) http://cdn.novacut.com/ask-me-about-ubuntuone.oga
[20:49] <jderose> aquarius: ^^
[20:52] <aquarius> jderose, heh! when was that? the Friday night party?
[20:52] <aquarius> I missed that :)
[20:53] <jderose> aquarius: yeah, right before the Hallelujah song.  pretty sure you were there, just not all there.  :)  nor was i.
[20:53] <duanedesign> :
[20:53] <duanedesign> :)
[20:54] <aquarius> I was there; I remember Rebecca singing. Must have missed the U1 plug :P
[21:09] <jderose> aquarius: i also put up the entire Allstars audio and a bunch of video clips: http://blog.novacut.com/2010/11/uds-hallelujah-video-lets-help-graner.html
[23:38] <waltercool> i have a question, for NON-Ubuntu users... how can i access to my account? Can i get values as Amazon S3 for use s3fs?
[23:38] <waltercool> (im using gentoo anyways)
[23:40] <beuno> waltercool, no
[23:40] <beuno> you can use the web ui
[23:40] <beuno> there will be more and mor APIs exposed
[23:41] <beuno> but for now it's either the Ubuntu desktop or the web
[23:41] <waltercool> beuno, but exist a "FUSE" method for Ubuntu One?
[23:41] <beuno> waltercool, no fuse method, no
[23:42] <waltercool> beuno, and someone will exist? A client should be launched for "Linux", not just for Ubuntu ;)
[23:43] <beuno> waltercool, we will not be building a universal client
[23:43] <beuno> there's work going on for a windows client
[23:43] <beuno> and there's work going on to provide APIs to access all your information
[23:43] <beuno> but no universal client of any sort on our plate
[23:44] <beuno> with those APIs, I guess anyone could do it
[23:44] <waltercool> beuno, the API for windows client will be public? :)
[23:44] <beuno> waltercool, the client is open source, yes
[23:44] <waltercool> or is a generic API (using http)?
[23:45] <beuno> you can in theory already build a client
[23:45] <beuno> the ubuntu client is open source as well
[23:45] <beuno> we're working on REST apis
[23:45] <beuno> and making it easier
[23:45] <beuno> but everything to build a client is out there
[23:45] <beuno> there's also a project for an android client
[23:47] <waltercool> beuno, the android client will work like u1sdtool?
[23:48] <waltercool> i mean, a GUI handling u1sdtool?
[23:48] <beuno> waltercool, no, it's a full-fledged client
[23:49] <beuno> waltercool, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AndroidU1
[23:49] <waltercool> beuno, oh nice =D
[23:51] <waltercool> beuno, my next celphone (i hope) will be an Android, and i really want use some u1 features (lisen my bought music on streaming) :)
[23:52] <waltercool> good work anyways beuno ;) I would like see more features and giving a good lesson to Apple ;)
[23:52] <karni> and the new version of AU1 will be much better ;)
[23:53]  * beuno high-fives karni 
[23:53] <beuno> how's it going?
[23:53]  * karni \o beuno
[23:53] <karni> beuno: I had to take a break for few days, but (!) I just came back home for 3 full free days, and I'm planning to dedicate my time to that
[23:54] <karni> beuno: from the dashboard, I made a neat services page that shows status of all services related to U1
[23:54] <beuno> karni, awesome
[23:54] <beuno> where did you leave things?
[23:54] <karni> beuno: rephrase that please ^ ^
[23:54]  * karni didn't quite get the question ;)
[23:55] <beuno> karni, last time I saw, you where working on the build system with CardinalFang
[23:55] <karni> oh you mean that
[23:55] <beuno> did you manage to get beyond that and start refactoring?
[23:55] <karni> beuno: as far as I remember, there ware just a few little tweaks for he's branch -- neat ant setup for everybody
[23:56] <karni> beuno: I must say, I think I was supposed to fix something.. CardinalFang -- I was supposed to help you out with the ant setup, or have we finished that?
[23:56] <beuno> I don't remember  :)
[23:56] <karni> beuno: anyway, then I started to write stuff from scratch, layout stuff properly in different files, using XML more extensively (as advised by Android)
[23:57] <karni> beuno: tomorrow I hope to write the content provider, which is basically the main guts (along with the sync client)
[23:57] <karni> beuno: having that, the rest of UI should be relatively easy.
[23:58] <beuno> karni, it's going to be awesome
[23:58] <karni> beuno: I'm not talking much recently because I want to have things done first, and then report back when at least bigger part of it is ready.
[23:58] <beuno> sure
[23:58] <karni> beuno: so I'm also working on myself. do first, say later.
[23:58] <beuno> I've been neck-deep in roadmap planning
[23:58] <beuno> so just coming up for air today  :)
[23:58] <karni> so yeah.. I've got 3 days now, so I hope to come up with some good piece of code :)
[23:59] <karni> beuno: ah, I see :)
[23:59] <beuno> this release is going to be awesome
[23:59] <karni> I'll start tomorrow with reviewing CardinalFang's branch (so that we can merge, if it's all set), and get to that ContentProvider.
[23:59] <karni> beuno: no doubt!