[00:11] <WACOMalt> So I am on Ubuntu Studio 10.10. I have a midi keyboard that only shows up in the ALSA tab.  But more problematic is that now the ALSA tab has disappeared!  What should I check?
[00:11] <WACOMalt> And if I get that fixed, how can I get an Alsa midi device to plug into a JackMidi port?
[00:17] <ariyer> Hi
[00:17] <ariyer> Is anyone here?
[00:17] <WACOMalt> I am, but I'm not much of help I bet
[00:18] <WACOMalt> More of an "ask then wait until someone who knows comes on" sorta deal here it seems
[00:18] <ariyer> ok.
[00:18] <ariyer> I'm interested in helping out with ubuntustudio
[00:18] <ariyer> But I don't know how.
[00:19] <WACOMalt> I think they have a link on the forums in the ubuntu-studio section abotu how to contribute
[00:20] <ariyer> Whoops. My bad. I'll go take a look.
[00:20] <WACOMalt> cool cool
[00:22] <ariyer> Okay, so I think I fall into somewhere between the "Advanced User" and "The Hacker"
[04:10] <toenail> holstein: got the printer working  but back to the firepod now its not connecting all the sudden
[04:18] <toenail> or anyone just help getting my firepod working again dont know why it doesnt anymore
[04:29] <holstein> hey toenail
[04:30] <holstein> just double check your jack settings
[04:30] <toenail> hey whats up im having problems again how about that ha
[04:30] <holstein> you want the 'firewire' driver
[04:30] <toenail> i went to setup and backtraced to what you said before and all the same
[04:30] <holstein> most everything else can be default
[04:31] <toenail> 23:25:10.346 Could not connect to JACK server as client. - Overall operation failed. - Unable to connect to server. Please check the messages window for more info.
[04:31] <toenail> Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory
[04:31] <toenail> Cannot connect to server socket
[04:31] <toenail> jack server is not running or cannot be started
[04:31] <holstein> yup
[04:31] <holstein> thats what it'll look like
[04:31] <holstein> lets double check your jack settings
[04:31] <toenail> all the time
[04:31] <holstein> driver should be 'firewire'
[04:31] <toenail> roger
[04:31] <holstein> priority defaulr
[04:32] <holstein> default*
[04:32] <holstein> frames/period probably around
[04:32] <holstein> 256
[04:33] <holstein> periods/buffer 2
[04:33] <toenail> frames 256 - rate 44100 - buffer 2 - port max 256 -timeout msec 500- audio duplex
[04:33] <holstein> yup
[04:33] <holstein> that seems right
[04:33] <holstein> close jack
[04:33] <holstein> open a terminal
[04:33] <holstein> and run
[04:33] <holstein> sudo qjackctl
[04:33] <holstein> and see if JACK starts as root
[04:33] <toenail> i did it with sudo as well and samething
[04:34] <holstein> i would check the hardware then
[04:34] <holstein> i would make sure i have it connected
[04:34] <holstein> i would power both the firepod and the computer off
[04:34] <holstein> and back on
[04:34] <holstein> and make sure the firepod is connected when the computer boots
[04:34] <holstein> just in case
[04:34] <toenail> it is dont worry im not that dumb
[04:35] <toenail> thats one of the first things my granpa tought me is it plugged in
[04:35] <holstein> toenail: how about 'interface' settings?
[04:35] <toenail> its great saying that when i worked at a call center and that was the problem
[04:35] <holstein> toenail: im only suggesting it because i have done it before ;)
[04:36] <toenail> ok . also i powered down the pod and even switched ports on both device and card
[04:36] <toenail> also check ubu studio controls to make sure the card is enabled
[04:37] <toenail> so how would i go about that
[04:37] <holstein> it might show up in lspci
[04:37] <toenail> sorry dont know what that is
[04:38] <toenail> i really haven used ubuntu sense version 6.10 i think so its like starting all over again
[04:38] <holstein> in a terminal
[04:38] <holstein> run lspci
[04:38] <toenail> ok
[04:39] <toenail> its a reconizing it
[04:39] <toenail> its listed
[04:40] <toenail> 05:09.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6306/7/8 [Fire II(M)] IEEE 1394 OHCI Controller (rev 80)
[04:42] <toenail> is there a way to see if the pod is connected to the card through terminal or rather reconizing it
[04:43] <holstein> i hate to say it
[04:43] <holstein> but, it could be that chip
[04:43] <holstein> toenail: try running it as root
[04:43] <holstein> and pastebin me all the output
[04:43] <holstein> and keep that link handy in case we need to drop it over in #jack
[04:45] <toenail> same results
[04:45] <toenail> how do i pastebin, i remeber you gave me a link before or something
[04:45] <holstein> http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[04:46] <holstein> ^^ you can use that one too
[04:46] <holstein> maybe its something really obvious in there
[04:46] <toenail> ok type your name or youll find it it ?
[04:46] <holstein> it'll give you a link
[04:47] <holstein> when you say paste
[04:47] <toenail> oh see im retarded
[04:47] <holstein> and drop me the URL
[04:47] <holstein> toenail: nah
[04:47] <holstein> it just takes a bit of getting used to
[04:47] <holstein> you just cant paste that much text in a channel
[04:47] <holstein> you get dropped for flooding
[04:47] <toenail> http://paste.ubuntu.com/529107/
[04:48] <holstein> cool
[04:48] <holstein> paste me the output in JACK
[04:48] <holstein> from...
[04:48] <holstein> 'messages
[04:48] <toenail> ok
[04:48] <holstein> after it fails
[04:50] <toenail> http://paste.ubuntu.com/529109/
[04:53] <holstein> hmmm
[04:53] <holstein> i dont see anything obvious to me
[04:54] <holstein> i would drop that in #jack
[04:55] <holstein> and/or #opensourcemusicians
[04:56] <holstein> i just asked in #opensourcemusicians
[04:57] <holstein> i just got a 'check the cables' response ;)
[04:57] <holstein> toenail: im sure you've tried both 1 and 2 ports on the firepod?
[04:57] <toenail> well the ports on the card are quite loose
[04:58] <toenail> yea
[04:58] <holstein> you cant have anything else plugged in eigher
[04:58] <holstein> either*
[04:58] <holstein> not yet
[04:58] <holstein> soon we'll get that i hope
[04:58] <toenail> dont this is my only firewire device
[04:58] <holstein> toenail: what about the kernel
[04:59] <holstein> maybe try booting an older kernel
[04:59] <toenail> ahhh the kernal the thing i know is something has to do with something ha
[04:59] <holstein> thats easy enough to check
[04:59] <holstein> and quite plausible
[04:59] <toenail> well the last time before today i talked to you is when the system was running
[05:00] <holstein> BUT its something we need to mention ASAP
[05:00] <holstein> so it doesnt get taken out of the kernel :)
[05:00] <toenail> no thats understandable would doing updates interfear wth the kernal probably yes im guessing
[05:00] <holstein> toenail: totally
[05:01] <holstein> you could get a kernel update
[05:01] <holstein> OR a new kernel
[05:01] <toenail> im suck a n00b so how do i do that
[05:01] <holstein> and boom
[05:01] <toenail> either one whih would be easier
[05:01] <toenail> which*
[05:02] <holstein> toenail: run...
[05:02] <holstein> sudo gedit /etc/default/grub
[05:03] <holstein> #GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0
[05:03] <holstein> if you add that # into that line
[05:03] <holstein> then, you'll see a grub list
[05:03] <holstein> when you reboot
[05:03] <holstein> and you can choose an older kernel
[05:03] <holstein> toenail: you have to run sudo update-grub
[05:03] <holstein> afterward
[05:04] <holstein> for the changes to take effect
[05:04] <holstein> toenail: i think you can hit shift?
[05:04] <holstein> while the computer is booting
[05:04] <holstein> and that will show you as well
[05:06] <toenail> ok added the # then save and reboot and hit shift when booting and run update or when i get into gui run suo update-grub in terminal
[05:06] <holstein> toenail: after you edit the file
[05:06] <holstein> run
[05:06] <holstein> sudo update-grub
[05:06] <holstein> BEFORE rebooting
[05:06] <holstein> and all is good
[05:06] <toenail> oh ok so no rebooting
[05:06] <toenail> ok
[05:07] <holstein> the shift thing is another way to do the same thing
[05:07] <holstein> to un-hide the grub list
[05:07] <holstein> temporarily
[05:07] <holstein> BUT i usually just un-hide mine right off
[05:07] <toenail> ok i ran it
[05:08] <toenail> http://paste.ubuntu.com/529118/
[05:08] <toenail> is that what normally happens
[05:08] <holstein> hmmm
[05:09] <toenail> im guessing not
[05:09] <holstein> http://paste.ubuntu.com/529120/
[05:10] <holstein> usually i see GRUB going and finding all the kernels
[05:16] <holstein> lowlatency woud play nicer with your setup anyways
[05:17] <toenail> would that change much of anything as in my gnome settings
[05:18] <holstein> nah
[05:18] <holstein> AND you can always remove it
[05:18] <holstein> OR boot the generic kernel
[05:18] <holstein> toenail: your going to see them at boot
[05:18] <holstein> you can choose which one you want
[05:19] <toenail> would i be able to use the pod though. cause i kind of need to record 4 tracks suck and single tracks through the mic input on the soundcard are just as bad or rather a pita
[05:19] <holstein> you see how many i have http://paste.ubuntu.com/529120/
[05:19] <holstein> i have the -realtime
[05:19] <holstein> and i was testing the -lowlatency
[05:19] <holstein> and 2 generic kernels
[05:19] <holstein> the latest, and the last one that was working
[05:20] <toenail> my two to your  ten
[05:20] <holstein> toenail: thats the goal
[05:20] <holstein> IF its the kernel that broke the pod
[05:20] <toenail> ok ill install then reboot and be back in hear and let you know were im at
[05:20] <holstein> :)
[05:21] <holstein> toenail: i'll go start my box
[05:21] <holstein> and see if i see the firepod when i run lspci
[05:21] <holstein> i cant remember if i see the pod, or just the firewire card like you have
[05:21] <toenail> i've noticed that using linux to get stuff working is a pain  but at least i wont have to reinstall the os in 3 months
[05:22] <holstein> hehe
[05:22] <holstein> nah, 6 months ;)
[05:22] <toenail> oh i didnt see the pod i was just saying is it plausable
[05:23] <toenail> well i went 3 months no pron or anything . a couple of programs to get my zip file pass that i forgot and they fuxzored the thing
[05:25] <holstein> toenail: AH
[05:25] <holstein> i'll have to ask about that
[05:25] <holstein> i dont see the pod with lspci
[05:25] <holstein> which makes sense
[05:25] <holstein> its a firewire device, not a PCI device
[05:25] <toenail> yea agreed
[05:27] <toenail> http://paste.ubuntu.com/529128/
[05:27] <toenail> maybe i was supposed to hit y and wasnt paying attention ill run again
[05:27] <holstein> hmmm
[05:28] <holstein> maybe that kernel isnt in maverick either
[05:28] <toenail> nope samedeal
[05:28] <holstein> i thought there was one low latency kernel up there
[05:29] <toenail> how would i find out which kernal im runing right now caus then ill try the other
[05:29] <holstein> uname -a
[05:29] <holstein> but your running Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.35-22-generic
[05:30] <holstein> BUT that could be the only kernel available
[05:30] <holstein> well, the only one you would be interested in
[05:30] <holstein> other than -lowlatency
[05:32] <toenail> ok?
[05:33] <holstein> toenail: SO
[05:33] <holstein> where does that leave us ?
[05:33] <toenail> i get what you mean but just dont know how to go forward. or reboot and try the other?
[05:33] <holstein> or you...
[05:33] <holstein> hmmm
[05:33] <toenail> thumb insertion
[05:33] <holstein> yup
[05:34] <holstein> toenail: i cant wait for you to get that system up and stable :)
[05:34] <toenail> as can i
[05:34] <holstein> iver really had a great time with the firepod and ubuntu the past few years
[05:35] <holstein> toenail: SO
[05:35] <holstein> you had JACK running?
[05:35] <toenail> i just dont really want to have to go back to xp
[05:35] <holstein> last time we talked
[05:35] <toenail> yea
[05:35] <holstein> and didnt mess with the settings at all
[05:35] <holstein> and it just craped out
[05:35] <holstein> boom
[05:35] <holstein> no warning?
[05:36] <toenail> nothing just shutdown, and next time i was on the pc again was when i was in here
[05:36] <holstein> toenail: do you have a windows install there still?
[05:36] <holstein> on that box?
[05:36] <holstein> it would be interesting to just double check all the hardware
[05:36] <toenail> well not really check mail ect. and after i did a restart i tried the pod and worked said sweet but nw its like f|_|ck ou ha
[05:36] <holstein> with another OS
[05:37] <holstein> a trusted good setup for you
[05:37] <toenail> yea my other box has ubuntu 9.04 i think, tried upgrading to 10.4 but was being retarted crashed . its a dell ha
[05:38] <toenail> and the other box doesnt have a Fw card
[05:38] <holstein> :/
[05:38] <holstein> i really dont think its a kernel issue
[05:38] <holstein> hmmmm
[05:39] <toenail> that would make sense so i reboot and try the ther one in the list corect?
[05:40] <toenail> correct*
[05:40] <holstein> yeah, but i think you'll just have the one
[05:40] <toenail> yea i reakon to
[05:40] <holstein> 2.6.35-22-generic
[05:41] <holstein> could be that VIA chip
[05:41] <holstein> i remember fussing around for a long time
[05:41] <holstein> til i got a couple friendly chipsets
[05:41] <holstein> one is a VIA though
[05:41] <holstein> one that i have
[05:41] <holstein> its not bad
[05:42] <toenail> yea i think i need a better card one that doesnt feel like a ht dog in a hallway when i plug the firewire in
[05:42] <holstein> toenail: mabye try #ffado
[05:43] <holstein> toenail: OH yeah
[05:43] <holstein> the cards ins are loose?
[05:43] <holstein> not the ones on the firepod?
[05:43] <toenail> one thing i did noticed that chaged was the buffer from 2 to 3 without me doing a thing well updates thats about it
[05:44] <holstein> toenail: buffer at 2 or 3 should be fine
[05:44] <toenail> the cards yes but it was the same when i got it working with ya
[05:44] <toenail> ok whats the ffado
[05:44] <holstein> the ffado guys write these drivers
[05:44] <holstein> the firewire and the older freebob drivers
[05:44] <toenail> oh derrr a channel
[05:45] <holstein> the #ffado channel is sloooow
[05:45] <holstein> but the mailing list is good
[05:45] <holstein> IF you get stuck here
[05:46] <holstein> im still thinking its the 'hotdog in the hallway'
[05:46] <holstein> lol
[05:46] <toenail> yea me to but i jiggled it when i hit start on jack
[05:47] <toenail> there might bean internal port let me look
[05:48] <toenail> might be nice and tight ha
[05:48] <toenail> yea it just fell out as i moved the case foreward
[05:49] <toenail> foreword*
[05:49] <holstein> not good
[05:49] <holstein> well, not ideal
[05:50] <toenail> got a internal plugged in tryin jack now
[05:50] <toenail> nope the same
[05:51] <holstein> try changing those settings under 'interface'
[05:51] <toenail> nevermind i turned the pod off and on and it worked its a sh17 card
[05:52] <holstein> toenail: w00t
[05:52] <holstein> thats great
[05:52] <holstein> now you know
[05:52] <holstein> and you can just use that internal port i bet
[05:52] <toenail> yea damn newegg cheap cards
[05:52] <holstein> if you got a PCI card slot empty :)
[05:53] <toenail> yea
[05:53] <toenail> i do
[05:54] <toenail> yatzi
[05:54] <holstein> word :)
[05:57] <toenail> i feel like a dumbie but oh well i guess i dont always practice what i preach
[05:58] <toenail> or rather didn't think that would be a problem
[05:59] <holstein> hey, now you know
[05:59] <holstein> and you can quit messing around with software fixes
[05:59] <holstein> toenail: you can undo that grub change if you want
[05:59] <holstein> nothing wrong with leaving it as-is though
[06:00] <holstein> you just go in and get rid of that # you put in
[06:00] <holstein> and run sudo update-grub again
[06:00] <holstein> you have to manually run update-grub when you mess with that file
[06:00] <holstein> if you get a kernel update
[06:00] <holstein> you can watch that happen in the terminal automatically
[06:01] <holstein> the little '#' is called 'commenting it out'
[06:01] <holstein> you put one of those #'s, and whatever is after that on that line
[06:01] <holstein> gets ignored
[06:01] <holstein> hmmm
[06:01] <holstein> TMI ;)
[06:03] <toenail> that was weird the box just pulled a windows move (crashed)
[06:03] <toenail> pod woks though
[06:03] <toenail> works*
[06:04] <toenail> oh nevermind back to this again
[06:04] <holstein> OH
[06:04] <holstein> could be overheating
[06:04] <holstein> sounds like you got some hardware trouble-shooting to do
[06:05] <toenail> the old on and off worked . ive only had it on for an hour or more
[06:05] <toenail> its good now ; maybe well then again i tried that so nevermind
[06:06] <holstein> sometimes pet hair or dust gets around the CPU
[06:06] <holstein> and it doenst take long to shutdown
[06:07] <toenail> very true i remeber i had a power supply that would work  took its a part dust full clean with water et it dry for 2 days and put it back in the box an wala it worked
[06:07] <holstein> nice :)
[06:07] <holstein> i got a couple dead laptops im trying to figure out here
[06:07] <holstein> one of them does that
[06:07] <holstein> overheats
[06:07] <toenail> that was back when i had a amd k6-2 450mhz
[06:07] <holstein> and shuts off
[06:08] <holstein> im going to have to take it apart i guess :/
[06:08] <toenail> might be jumper settings on the board maybe its overclocked
[06:08] <holstein> that could warm it up a bit
[06:08] <toenail> before you got it maybe ?
[06:09] <holstein> i dont think anybody got in there
[06:09] <holstein> and did anything with it
[06:09] <holstein> BUT i'll find out ;)
[06:09] <toenail> oh, ive had ram that did that before wellnot overheating but after a while just shutting the machine down
[06:09] <holstein> well, im going to get horizontal...
[06:10] <holstein> toenail: good luck :)
[06:10] <toenail> yea i did originally come in hear to ask you how to work with adour but if you got stuff to do some other time will work or ill fish around with it
[06:11] <holstein> OH
[06:11] <holstein> if you get a particular question
[06:11] <toenail> oh horizontal yea im slow thats fine ill fish around for the next half or so dont worry about it you've done alot to save me from being pissed
[06:11] <holstein> shout it out in #opensourcemusicians
[06:11] <holstein> ardour can be quite daunting at first
[06:12] <holstein> quite full featured though
[06:12] <holstein> worth it, i say :)
[06:12] <toenail> yea that works thanks again for your help sorry i didnt come to the hot dog in the hallway being an issue thanks again
[06:12] <toenail> ill look into it
[06:12] <holstein> anytime
[06:13] <toenail> be well
[10:22] <obengdako> help rhythmbox banshee and totem won't play through pulseaudio unless i'm using jack-pulse and gstreamer settings are fine to use pulseaudio but only these apps don't work they work if i kill pulseaudio then they probably use alsa
[23:36] <toe_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/529644/
[23:37] <holstein> toe_: whats the issue?
[23:38] <holstein> you might just have to relax the settings a bit
[23:38] <holstein> with that kernel and the pod
[23:38] <holstein> mabye 512/3
[23:39] <holstein> xruns are bad :/
[23:39] <holstein> sometimes i get one when i start an app
[23:39] <holstein> BUT usually, i dont have any at all