[00:32] nhandler: err? [00:34] Riddell: See the email that went out to ubuntu-irc a little over a week ago. All uncommented bans in the bantracker are being removed. They can be re-added if necessary (with comments) [00:36] hmm, sounds dangerous [00:44] Riddell: full banlists are dangerous too :) then new bans cant be added when needed [00:45] meanwhile very old bans...people probably gave up after a year or two... [00:45] maybe but old bans isn't the same as bans that I can't be bothered to add a commet on (which is everyone I ban) [00:45] * maco points to the bit about email [00:46] also...ubottu pm's you for a comment every time you ban [00:47] humbug Msgs:10908 New:1889 <-- my e-mail. and I'm pretty sure I'm not subscribed to ubuntu-irc. and I ignore ubottu [00:48] * maco thinks these excuses are your fault to start with [00:49] you could be right there [00:49] nhandler: the general bans we have on naughty words are being skipped over, right? [00:49] bans on naughty words? [00:50] there are bans in some channels that are like a swearword!*@* [00:50] i know #ubuntu has a ton [00:50] and *why* do you have 1889 new messages? [00:51] i have a few hundred unread mails, but they're umm...bugmail... and overly-chatty mailing lists from local computer clubs [00:51] I guess I won't know until I get around to reading them [00:51] theyre *not* in my inbox [00:51] hmm playing with e coli [00:51] laptop going away [00:51] oh I don't even look at any of the filtered out e-mail boxes [00:52] so I guess emailing you is NOT the way to get your attention, Riddell? [00:52] maco: If they had comments, then yes. [00:52] valorie: depends if you can accept a two month round trip [00:52] * nhandler is just going by the db export he was given [01:20] Qt test build on the arm box succeeded. No trouble at all once I had enough room. [01:25] Riddell: The build took about 23 and a half hours so slightly faster than the buildds. [01:25] apachelogger: ^^^ [01:26] JontheEchidna: I could build Qt in less than a day on our box, so I think we can do anything.... [01:26] nice [01:27] Of course I had to go buy a 16GB USB stick and mount it as /var/cache to have the space to do it .... [01:27] heh [02:03] [muon] jmthomas * 1195428 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (5 files in 2 dirs) Flesh out the Category class. The AvailableView is temporarily being used to test it pending a CategoryModel, and at the moment only can show top-level categories. [02:21] ScottK: Lol nice [02:21] I had a friend who did that with Vista [02:28] [muon] jmthomas * 1195430 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/categories.xml More icons [02:31] [muon] jmthomas * 1195434 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (AvailableView.cpp CategoryModel/Category.cpp) Subcategory support [02:32] [muon] jmthomas * 1195435 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/AvailableView.cpp SVN_SILENT: Old comment [02:43] Riddell: my cloak didn't change -- who should I ping about that? [02:43] and how about my email -- I never heard anything about that [03:13] [muon] jmthomas * 1195439 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/Application.cpp Invalidate an Application when there is no package. Usually this happens when a package is removed, but app-install-data hasn't been refreshed since, leaving a syntactically correct but invalid Application pointer. === hunger_ is now known as hunger [09:26] ScottK: nah, I'm soon to finishing it hopefully, I just have to check with missing files [09:49] ScottK: should be interesting how much faster icecreaming makes it [09:55] hmm [10:11] valorie: I don't know about cloaks you need to ask an irc person [10:11] @kubuntu.org should work if you have an e-mail in launchpad [10:16] ah, cool [10:16] @ubuntu.org works, but kubuntu.org would be cooler [10:16] :-) [10:16] it'll be @ubuntu.com and @kubuntu.org [10:18] ooo, right [10:18] ubuntu.com works, and I'm trying kubuntu.org [10:20] * Quintasan is formatting his system [10:20] brg [10:24] Riddell: I <3 the new installer, to who I should send beer? [10:25] for me, as I won't drink [10:25] this way the beer would be preserved to future generations museums [10:27] Well, preserving beer for future is useless, Polish IT students will find you sooner or later :) [10:27] yay, kubuntu.org works too [10:28] Some students go as far to call it "liquid bread" [10:28] Gah, the partman is slow as always :/ [10:34] Quintasan_Droid: that is quite literally true. monks invented (dark, heavy, strong) beer in order to survive the Lent [10:35] so they weren't allowed to eat for 40 days, they drank beer instead [10:35] :O [10:35] there's a reason the strongest and darkest beers come from monasteries up to this day [10:35] oh, and also of course there's a reason there's (or used to be) at least one brewery next to any church in Europe [10:36] * Quintasan_Droid had absolutely no idea about that [10:37] well, of course it wasn't the monks who really invented it (beer is much older than the church), but it was the monasteries in the middle ages who brought it to the masses [10:37] besides its nutritional value, it also is quite clean of bacteria and other bad stuff that often spoiled the drinking water back in those times [10:38] ... [10:38] so even kids drank beer in the middle ages, because it was a nice way to avoid getting sick from bad water and spoiled grains [10:38] Why the hell I cant unselect Encrypt home directory during installation? [10:40] Riddell: any idea? ^ [10:43] now everyone's wondern what country you might be from, Sput :> [10:44] we all know Sput is a crazy german :P [10:44] wondering* - and …not [10:44] I just know my history! [10:44] and your future, so to say [10:44] :D [10:44] I thought sputnik was shot into space by the Russkies? [10:44] Lol :D [10:44] this one bounced back [10:45] I'm "sputnick". not "sputnik" [10:45] li'l difference [10:46] curly space junk on your nick? [10:46] Brrr, Polish translation of installer slides is has two errors. [10:47] sput, I recently saw: http://mark.kollide.net/markey_sputbeard.jpg [10:47] courtesy of guess who [10:47] :-) [10:47] yeah, I know that pic [10:48] I also was a witness of him getting that tatoo [10:48] * Quintasan_Droid adds that to his Todo [10:48] holding his hands and stuff [10:48] making him drunk before he did it too [10:48] with good old German Glühwein [10:56] Quintasan_Droid: no, sounds like a bug [11:00] niters all [11:06] Grrrrrr [11:07] If my data is going to get encrypted then I will be very angry [11:11] valorie: it's btw called "sputbeard" because markey tried emulating my beard and failed spectacularly [11:11] ... he looked stupid, while I look hot with it [11:13] Lol [11:14] That damn timer is great [11:14] Downloading packages (remaining time 0:59) [11:14] wut [11:14] And I went to toilet, now it is 13:21 [11:14] Wtf [11:14] http://mark.kollide.net/markey_sputbeard.jpg [11:14] ^ [11:14] I wouldn't call that fail [11:14] that's the ultimate pimp look [11:16] * Quintasan_Droid is filled with rage [11:16] Riddell: I wonder how that type of bug got through our QA. [11:18] Sput: we are now waiting on the picture of you... [11:18] Quintasan_Droid: its a different set of packages :P :P [11:18] ... [11:20] jussi: it's like, okay install Kubuntu but we will encrypt your data even if you don't want it [11:20] Quintasan_Droid: I know. :P [11:20] And the timer is now at 47:59 [11:20] ... [11:21] Can haz no encrypted data? ktthxbai [11:21] And I can't cancel the download process. [11:22] Good ol' pal kill -S KILL [11:23] * Quintasan_Droid hopes for fixed Plymouth theme on 1920x1080 [11:23] Even windows gets this right [11:23] Yay [11:23] Works [11:24] O_9 [11:24] What the heck was that [11:24] Riddell: I'm not sure what you guys did at UDS but Kubuntu booted within 5 seconds [11:35] jussi: It is you who has a Quassel sever running most of the time? [11:36] Oh Ubuntu, Ubuntu, where are you going, removing aptitude from default install, encrypting my home dir even if I don't want it [11:37] o.O === yofel_ is now known as yofel [13:26] so akonadi tried to kill my notebook yesterday [13:39] shadeslayer: heh... I just this little pic in my head of a little round thing named akonadi coming at your notebook with a banzai sword... [13:39] shadeslayer: Is this the same notebook that's the size of a railroad car and suffers from a poor choice in video hardware? [13:44] [muon] jmthomas * 1195551 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (4 files in 2 dirs) Provide a structure for storing categorical/other filters in a Category object [13:52] [muon] jmthomas * 1195554 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (6 files in 2 dirs) A QStandardModel will work just fine for a CategoryModel, so rename the CategoryModel/ folder to CategoryView [13:55] ScottK: yes [13:55] jussi: hahaha [13:56] ScottK: apparently akonadi snuggled with my CPU and made everything go kaboom [13:56] Nice. [13:56] things got really hot :P [13:57] Snuggling and gettng really hot treads periously close to TMI. [13:58] kb9vqf: Since you're the only one I know of still looking at KDE3 kdelibs development, we're trying to get a new port started in Debian and kdelibs fails (probably to the new port being more strict about something). Could you have a look? http://buildd.debian-ports.org/fetch.php?pkg=kdelibs&arch=armhf&ver=4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-5&stamp=1289243025&file=log&as=raw [14:01] ScottK: debian doesnt seem happy about dropping changelogs [14:01] They aren't the only ones. [14:01] I think it's being sorted reasonably. [14:02] people from within ubuntu as well? [15:12] dantti: I think further communication with the guy on bug 425280 is counter productive [15:12] Launchpad bug 425280 in packagekit (Ubuntu) "[lucid] kpackagekit waxes all Internet bandwidth until reboot" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/425280 [15:16] Riddell: I have to agree. [15:17] * ScottK notes with irony that he switched to Kubuntu from OpenSuse due to package manager problems. [16:11] [muon] jmthomas * 1195618 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/ (15 files in 4 dirs) (log message trimmed) [16:11] Move Application list and popcon max score generation into an ApplicationBackend [16:11] class that can be passed to our views, so that they can be parented by more [17:07] jussi: ping [17:08] Quintasan_Droid: Where is your almost done sip stuff? [17:11] I have uploaded it to mentors few whiles ago [17:12] ScottK: ^ [17:13] Quintasan_Droid: Thanks. [17:13] mgraesslin: I submitted this patch upstream http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-15267 [17:13] "make override-redirect windows have more window properties like WM_CLASS" [17:13] (just FYI) [17:13] ah nice [17:15] ScottK: it build and I'm pretty sure everything is in place [17:27] shadeslayer: ping [17:28] ScottK: self-check deactivated for 4.5.4 http://websvn.kde.org/?view=revision&revision=1195271 [17:28] mgraesslin: Thanks. [17:52] http://www.couriermail.com.au/entertainment/weird/figurine-depicts-julia-gillard-as-austrian-leader-ahead-of-g20-summit-in-seoul/story-e6frep26-1225951371993 [17:52] * apachelogger giggles [17:56] My seven year old gets Austria and Australia confused. [17:58] Oh [17:58] Poor Austria [17:59] one used to be a penal colony, the other had penal colonies [18:00] also, only one of them has a Harald [18:00] very true [18:01] clearly australia ought to go find a new name, since austria was there first [18:02] on the other hand, both of them are not in america, so they have something in common! [18:02] then again maybe it is their evil plan to get them too mixed up and eventual merge in 2024, forming a super empire to stand against the brotherhood of nod [18:02] nah, that super empire thing has gone wrong too often [18:03] well, first time it almost worked out, if people would not have a tendency to shoot other people who happen to be of public importance [18:04] * apachelogger just made himself become afraid that someone might shoot him out on the street... [18:07] ScottK: I haven't seen that error before [18:07] * kb9vqf notes that the KDE3/Trinity project has changed significantly from the original 3.5.10 sources [18:07] kb9vqf: You wouldn't have as it's unique to the armhf port, but I was hoping you might be able to narrow down how such things might get lost. [18:08] Ah, ok [18:08] kb9vqf: You're the only one I know caring about KDE3 at all anymore. [18:08] If you can figure it out, I can get the fix in Debian so when armhf is brought into the distro it'll have KDE3 support. [18:10] * apachelogger suspects either unexported interfaces or bad linking args [18:10] Looks like the problem is in kpty [18:11] no one cares for my crazy install-time-config-merging :'( [18:12] ScottK: Can you verify that Q_OS_UNIX is set when you compile under arm? [18:12] It's a #define === makl is now known as ximion [18:12] kb9vqf: I can ask or you can join on #EFIKA and I'll introduce you to the guy doing the port. [18:13] OK, I'm on EFIKA [18:15] He's a busy guy, so I'd just ask your question and then wait. Thanks. [18:20] [muon] jmthomas * 1195669 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (6 files in 2 dirs) Make ApplicationDelegate's extender into an ApplicationExtender class, so that we can send custom signals back to the parent of the ApplicationDelegate regarding mouseclicks on the Extender's buttons [18:27] OK, he's checking. Hopefully it's something simple! [18:51] [muon] jmthomas * 1195677 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ApplicationModel/ApplicationModel.cpp SVN_SILENT: dupe include-- [18:56] Quintasan: pong [19:02] [muon] jmthomas * 1195684 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ApplicationModel/ (ApplicationView.cpp ApplicationView.h) Forgot some plumbing [19:05] brrr [19:05] shadeslayer: who is hosting the quassel core you are using? [19:10] Quintasan: jefferai [19:10] shadeslayer: do I need to give him a beer or something for an account? :P [19:11] beer makes quassel cores crash [19:11] jefferai: Can I have an account? My shell just died and admin has abandoned the ship :< [19:13] * shadeslayer cries [19:13] Quintasan: http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/11/is-this-the-nexus-s/ [19:13] just when i had my mind made up [19:14] THAT awesome thingy pops up on the interwebz [19:14] I bet it is just a troll [19:14] Quintasan: you can share mine if you tell me how to add an account for you, I try to keep the uptime as long as possible [19:15] Quintasan: it haz the nexus tag.... [19:16] nexus = supreme [19:16] also [19:16] when is gingerbread coming out? [19:17] any estimates? [19:29] yofel: I have no idea how to add an account :D [19:32] Quintasan: The man page for quasselcore that apachelogger wrote is remarkably unhelpful on this point. Since he's into being friendly now, you might approach him and see if he'd be willing to improve it. [19:33] ScottK: apachelogger being friendly? It is soooo worth testing out [19:33] apachelogger: Hello there. [19:33] I'm still trying to figure out why apachelogger is being friendly again. LOL [19:35] because they got austria and australia confused? :P [19:37] rofl [19:37] DarkwingDuck run [19:38] lol! [19:38] Quintasan: there should be a script manageusers.py, afair [19:41] Quintasan: I think I got it -> pm [19:43] oop [19:44] I think something broke on yofels end upon my connection [19:44] ScottK: I think a number of people care about KDE3 but kb9vqf may be the only one caring enough to do something actionable [19:45] dasKreech: Certainly. I meant caring enough to have looked at the code recently. [19:45] yofel: I think something broke :O [19:46] ScottK: FOSS Win :) [19:47] agreed.. [19:48] [muon] jmthomas * 1195696 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (8 files in 3 dirs) -Start on an ApplicationWidget to show the details of an App -Fix a bug where the indexes on the CategoryModel did not match the internal list by sorting the category list alphabetically, like the view [20:00] Is it just me or default http handler is broken in fresh install? [20:05] Riddell: yeah, I just gave up on that bug [20:10] * apachelogger snuggles Quintasan [20:11] DarkwingDuck: some things are never found out [20:12] hehehe [20:12] apachelogger: well, as ScottK described, would you be so kind to fix the quasselcore man page so users know how to add additional user or just know that there is some sort of script to take care of that? [20:12] hm [20:13] Quintasan: since you already know more than me, I really think you could do it a 100 times better than me [20:14] work avoidance tactic #33: tell somebody else they are much better than you ;-) [20:14] :D [20:14] Exacly. === yofel is now known as yofel_ [20:28] [muon] jmthomas * 1195707 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (ApplicationWidget.cpp ApplicationWidget.h) Use QScrollArea to keep longer Application descriptions from resizing things, etc [20:46] [muon] jmthomas * 1195712 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (5 files) Add a long description and screenshot widget. (Later still needs screenshot-grabbing code. I'll grab that from muon in a bit) [20:48] hi guys, whenever kde 4.6 comes, will kubuntu-ppa be updated to 4.6 or it will stick to 4.5.x updates? [20:50] apparle: There are three PPAs. One for updates (that will stay 4.5) and one for beta-backports that will have 4.6 pre-release and finally one for backports for after it's released. So the answer to your qeustion is "yes". [20:51] ScottK: and how much does it take for 4.5.x to come to the ubuntu repos or kubuntu just uses this ppa for updates? [20:51] ScottK: and, are the ppa updates, stable for normal usage? [20:52] apparle: For now, just the PPAs, but we're working on getting the rules changed to bring them into Ubuntu. [20:52] apparle: For updates we try hard to keep them stable, but their official purpose is testing. [20:56] why does virtuoso backend continuously use >50% cpu even when indexer is idle and there is no search in progress. [20:58] what's the easiest way to get myself a clean .deb build environment? [20:58] pbuilder? [20:59] al: Yes. sudo pbuilder-dist create [20:59] al: that's how i do it :P [20:59] ok, thanks [20:59] al: pbuilder-dist is in ubuntu-dev-tools. [21:00] and that package even exists in debian, cool [21:02] Quintasan: pong [21:02] i wanna try and see if http://websvn.kde.org/?revision=1194836&view=revision fixes my screen not locking on resume issue [21:08] also, why am I dropped to command line when I logout? [21:10] kdm/x probably crashed? [21:10] see /var/log/Xorg.0.log [21:10] al: it happens every time [21:11] Is there a way to delete auto eth0 or set the some other setting as default? [21:11] al: is this the concerned bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/651294 [21:11] Launchpad bug 651294 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) "X crash on KDM logout (still - yes, really)" [High,Confirmed] [21:12] apparle: Did you do the work around in the bug (I think we discussed this before, didn't we)? [21:12] Riddell: I think solved all problem with UPnP MediaServer KIOslave [21:12] That particular one is an X problem that the ubuntu-x people are working on . [21:13] ScottK: I haven't discussed this :( because I installed kubuntu 10.10 few minutes ago [21:13] ScottK: I suppose the workaround will do that job. [21:13] apparle: OK. I discussed it with someone else recently. [21:14] anyway to remove or edit auto eth0 or set something else as default. [21:15] Yes. [21:16] You can edit /etc/network/interfaces [21:17] ScottK: what do I put in there? [21:17] ScottK: currently it is "auto lo iface lo inet loopback" [21:19] Which is normal. Why do you want to change it? [21:19] ScottK: you said, by editing I could remove auto eth0 [21:20] apparle: I assumed you knew what you wanted instead. [21:21] ScottK: I have created a new connection in networkmanager which I want to connect at startup. but I don't want to bypass network manager and connect with interfaces file directly [21:21] I see. I don't know about that then. [21:29] ulysses: oh great, what had to be done? [21:31] Riddell: probably nothing, HUPnP's author fixed all install problem, the files are copied to the right place, UPnP MediaServer KIOslave compiles and installs, I installed a mediaserver and tested, it worked [21:40] Natty USB ready \o/ [21:52] [muon] jmthomas * 1195740 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (ApplicationWidget.cpp ApplicationWidget.h) Flesh out the ApplicationWidget a bit more. Still needs install/remove buttons and screenshot fetching code. [21:55] Firing off some screenshots before I leave for home: http://imgur.com/AlBmL , http://imgur.com/u2At6 , http://imgur.com/z9gL7 [21:55] you can only navigate forwards as of now :> [21:56] like [21:56] JontheEchidna: nice :D [21:57] it won't install or uninstall anything yet. But it will sort apps by category, and as long as you don't ever want to go back you can navigate [21:57] JontheEchidna: btw, how about adding a 'launch' button to the application list? (iirc someone requested that for USC too) [21:57] All in good time. ;-) It's still quite unfinished [21:58] sure, looks good already though ;) [21:58] yeah, looks good. The problem is it doesn't do much :P [21:59] heading home, bbiab === muesli_ is now known as muesli [23:03] dantti: when are you migrating your stuff to git? [23:03] * apachelogger didnt use all new kde git yet ^^ [23:05] apachelogger: well I didn't really get how playground stuff will move [23:06] tought actually I should move it out of playground :P [23:06] at least kpk [23:06] http://community.kde.org/Sysadmin/GitKdeOrgManual#Requesting_project_migrations_from_KDE_SVN_or_Gitorious.org [23:08] Err http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/ natty/main libasound2 armel 1.0.23-2ubuntu1 [23:08] 404 Not Found [23:08] apachelogger: hmm right [23:08] this world is very cruel [23:08] ScottK: connection is a drag today :/ [23:10] apachelogger: does your tarball script work with git? [23:10] yes [23:10] hmm, I should probably request a move soon [23:10] more of a hack the git support, but works decently [23:11] until the supreme oop version gets done [23:11] that will be the same time the duke retruns.... [23:26] JontheEchidna: http://gitweb.kde.org/scratch/sitter/release-script.git should you feel like doing ruby haxx0ring at some point ;_ [23:26] ;) [23:26] Nightrose: ^ new script code, if you get hold of some dude to continue poking around in it === gaurav_ is now known as Guest74782