[00:49] <bencc> why is the nginx version on natty not 0.8.x? http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/nginx
[00:49] <bencc>  0.8 is the stable branch
[00:50] <Wubbbi> bencc: any maintainer for that package. We dont have any autoservice for updating packages. When there are no maintainer, this package will never be updazed until we may need an update.
[00:50] <Wubbbi> If you want to, register as a maintainer if there is not even one.
[00:51] <bencc> Wubbbi: what is the freezing date for package upgrades?
[00:52] <yofel> bencc: see the schedule, uncommented updates until feature freeze, and updates with FFE until final freeze
[00:53] <Wubbbi> bencc:https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule
[00:53] <yofel> (FFE=Feature Freeze Exception)
[00:54] <bencc> thanks
[00:58]  * psusi wonders why his post last night on the natty forums about lvm has not had a comment yet...  has nobody seen it yet?  does everyone already use lvm?  does nobody really know about the joys of lvm yet for advanced users like you probably are if you are in here?
[01:00] <Wubbbi> psusi: lvm? lvm? This s*** had ruined my HDD 3 month ago. So stupid! I never gonna use it again. -.-
[01:00] <yofel> count me to the latter, or rather I never bothered to set it up, backing up and re-partitioning takes too much time
[01:02] <psusi> used to wonder what the big deal was for a long time and I finally decided to start messing with it this year... wrote a wiki article on it last night... wiki.ubuntu.com/Lvm.. it's really awesome, especially now that I built an up to date lvm2 package with the new snapshot merge support... I've tested upgrading to natty several times, and reverted back to maverick with a quick reboot each time now
[01:03] <charlie-tca> I tried lvm once or twice. It seems like more trouble than it worth to me
[01:03] <psusi> so never again will severe breakage on the development release get me down
[01:04] <charlie-tca> As a side note, I think many if not most of us are either upgrading or reinstalling often enough to make is very time consuming
[01:04] <psusi> check out my wiki entry and let me know what you think... I wrote it from the perspective of originally thinking that way, and changed my mind
[01:04] <psusi> that's exactly the kind of use that makes lvm great ;)
[01:05] <psusi> your average user who only installs to a single disk system using the whole disk or splitting it in half with windows and doesn't touch it for years doesn't care... but when you keep several releases installed at once, especially if you run the development release on a daily basis...oh boy it's handy
[01:06] <psusi> and if you have multiple disks... when I picked up an SSD earlier this year, lvm picked up my install's root volume and moved it over to the new disk on the fly while it was running and I continued with my work with the move in the background... very cool
[01:07] <Drakeson> Was there a huge recent change regarding compiz and the indicators?  I don't seem to have the indicator applets anymore.
[01:07] <yofel> I do wonder though why you're using gparted as the definition of common partiton management, I've done repartitioning in the past, but I haven't used gparted in almost 2 years now
[01:20] <psusi> because most people use it
[01:21] <psusi> especially for moving and resizing...
[01:26] <yofel> well, you don't depend on it in the lvm setup instrucitons so I guess it's fine
[01:27] <psusi> that's the point... what you normally do with gparted, lvm does better ;)
[03:26] <Drakeson> has the window manager switched to compiz, or it is still mutter?
[03:45]  * psusi starts another test dist-upgrade
[03:46] <psusi> man that coming dpkg option to not sync all the bloody time will be real nice
[09:17] <wzssyqa> compiz and gnome-panel broken ?
[09:37] <BUGabundo> buuuuuu
[09:37] <BUGabundo> last night updates broke my gnome:(
[09:38] <BUGabundo> am I being forced into new WM ?
[15:23] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[15:24] <charlie-tca> and a thank you to all those servicemen out there.
[15:58] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: lol
[15:59] <yofel> evening
[15:59] <yofel> charlie-tca: what happened? ^^
[16:00] <charlie-tca> yofel: not a thing, meant the soldiers, instead of what I really said
[16:00] <yofel> ah..
[16:01] <BUGabundo> ahah
[16:28] <pace_t_zulu> hey all
[16:28] <pace_t_zulu> does anyone know why there are ISOs being produced specifically for Mac computers? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[16:34] <patdk-wk> cause macos sucks?
[16:35] <patdk-wk> probably has to do with the boot loader stuff
[16:35] <patdk-wk> cause mac doesn't have a bios
[16:35] <patdk-wk> but that is about all the *mac* I know
[16:36] <Pici> Those are ppc builds...
[16:36] <pace_t_zulu> patdk-wk: yea ... apple computers use EFI ... but that hasn't been a problem in the past
[16:36] <patdk-wk> didn't know if it might of been or not
[16:37] <pace_t_zulu> Pici: natty-alternate-amd64+mac.iso ... that isn't ppc
[16:37] <charlie-tca> Because powerpc does not have the intel chip
[16:37] <Pici> pace_t_zulu: ooh.
[16:37] <Pici> pace_t_zulu: sorry, didn't notice that.
[16:37] <pace_t_zulu> Pici: no worries
[16:37] <patdk-wk> "This image is adjusted to work properly on Mac systems." hmm
[16:38] <pace_t_zulu> charlie-tca: natty-alternate-amd64+mac.iso ... not powerpc ...
[16:38] <patdk-wk> someone do a binary diff :)
[16:39] <charlie-tca> only for mac 64bit. There must a difference between 32 and 64bit ?
[16:39] <virtuald> there are no 32-bit intel macs
[16:39] <virtuald> as far as i kno
[16:40] <virtuald>              w
[16:41] <charlie-tca> There is an explanation on the page for it
[16:41] <brot> there are 32bit intel macs
[16:41] <brot> first macbooks were intel core duo
[16:42] <charlie-tca> This image is adjusted to work properly on Mac systems.
[16:42] <brot> (notice there is no "2")
[16:42] <brot> those cpus didnt have 64bit
[16:42] <pace_t_zulu> brot: +1
[16:42] <Pici> Perhaps ask the iso testing people what the images are for.
[16:42] <pace_t_zulu> Pici: in #ubuntu-testing ?
[16:43] <Pici> pace_t_zulu: sure.
[16:43] <patdk-wk> to make our life entertaining :)
[16:43] <patdk-wk> they thought we where bored :)
[16:43] <Pici> Or you could keep guessing here, but I figure asking someone would be more productive ;)
[16:43] <pace_t_zulu> since when does canonical pay so much attention to apple computers?
[16:44] <Pici> Canonical doesn't control all aspects of Ubuntu development.....
[16:44]  * patdk-wk refuses to ever step into an apple store again, I did it once, it was horrible
[16:46] <pace_t_zulu> Pici: do you believe there would be special builds for "Mac" without Canonical's involvement?
[16:48] <pace_t_zulu> i don't have a problem with this... it just seems to be quite unusual
[16:49] <Pici> pace_t_zulu: I'm sure someone at Canonical knows, but they don't control everything that the developers do.
[16:51] <pace_t_zulu> Pici: i know they don't control everything... but i reckon something like this doesn't happen without folks at canonical knowing... but canonical is beside the point...
[16:51] <pace_t_zulu> they've brought back PowerPC builds with the following description "For Apple Macintosh G3, G4, and G5 computers, including iBooks and PowerBooks as well as IBM OpenPower machines."
[16:55] <charlie-tca> actually, the images were simply moved from where they used to be, to where they are now.
[16:56] <charlie-tca> They used to sit in ports, daily, and now they are with the rest of the current images. This was discussed at UDS
[18:45] <mrmcq2u> Hey, I just updated my natty install with synaptic and it uninstalled network manager
[18:45] <mrmcq2u> Anyone know of a good place to get the network manager packages in .deb format for amd64?
[18:46] <patdk-wk> archive.ubuntu.com?
[18:47] <bjsnider> mrmcq2u, you should have used aptitude safe-upgrade instead of synaptic
[18:49] <mrmcq2u> ah
[18:50] <mrmcq2u> new you could apt-get upgrade but didnt know there was a safe-upgrade
[18:50] <mrmcq2u> hence why I ditched the terminal and went to synaptic :) silly me
[18:50] <Pici> apt-get upgrade is roughly the same as aptitude safe-upgrade.
[18:51] <Pici> and apt-get dist-upgrade is sort of like aptitude full-upgrade
[18:52] <mrmcq2u> lol, yup that is one I use quite alot :)
[18:52] <mrmcq2u> so no networking on that machine atm
[18:53] <mrmcq2u> was thinking downloading a deb of nm on another machine and installing it locally might do the job
[19:06] <mrmcq2u> can I install a deb from the ppa site through the browser?
[19:07] <mrmcq2u> can only see .gz files
[19:07] <mrmcq2u> http://ppa.launchpad.net/network-manager/trunk/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/binary-amd64/
[22:44] <IdleOne> is it just me or is anybody else having issues with indicator-applet and indicator-applet-session not loading?
[22:45] <pace_t_zulu> IdleOne: are you not seeing the networking indicator
[22:45] <pace_t_zulu> ?
[22:45] <IdleOne> pace_t_zulu: networking,sound,memenu and shutdown menu
[22:45] <IdleOne> all missing
[22:46] <pace_t_zulu> IdleOne: i've lost networking in natty
[22:46] <IdleOne> networking is functioning fine for me just no icons
[22:46] <pace_t_zulu> anyone who knows how i can get networking back... please help