[15:41] <dlynes_laptop> How do you disable the splash screen?  I need to be able to interact with the installer, but the throb bar/splash screen is preventing me from seeing the console that is doing the install.
[15:52] <charlie-tca> dlynes_laptop: edit the menu line and remove "quiet splash" from it
[15:53] <dlynes_laptop> charlie-tca, and that gets rid of the throb bar?  I thought that was only for the png splash screen supported by the kernel?
[15:53] <cjwatson> err.  that's a confusing question.  when the installer is running, the splash screen is normally not there
[15:53] <charlie-tca> You can get the line on-screen from the installer menu by hitting F6 ESC
[15:53] <cjwatson> so I don't understand what your environment could be
[15:54] <cjwatson> perhaps I don't understand which splash screen you're referring to
[15:54]  * charlie-tca is confused, too
[15:54] <dlynes_laptop> cjwatson, my installer is a two-part install....it's a large enough install that ubuntu can't seem to complete all of it during the initial pxe boot install, so I have some additional install that happens the first time the gui boots up
[15:55] <dlynes_laptop> cjwatson, on 9.04 it remained in the console until the install finished, and then ran startx to boot into the gui
[15:55] <cjwatson> so you're referring to the splash screen that's the Ubuntu logo with dots underneath it, or similar?
[15:55] <dlynes_laptop> cjwatson, exactly! :)
[15:55] <dlynes_laptop> cjwatson, with the moving dots
[15:55] <cjwatson> then what charlie-tca said should be correct (though removing 'quiet' is probably unnecessary).  that splash screen isn't supported by the kernel, it's done in userspace
[15:56] <dlynes_laptop> cjwatson, yeah...that's what I figured
[15:56] <cjwatson> that said, you may need something a bit more sophisticated depending on how much you're doing with the console
[15:56] <dlynes_laptop> cjwatson, is it actually a process that gets run, that I can just kill?
[15:56] <cjwatson> yes, plymouth, but better to stop it cleanly
[15:56] <cjwatson> try without 'splash' first and see what happens
[15:56] <dlynes_laptop> cjwatson, you mean 'kill plymouthd'?
[15:56] <cjwatson> I mean try without 'splash' first and see what happens. :-)
[15:56] <dlynes_laptop> Oh, ok
[15:56] <dlynes_laptop> thanks
[15:57] <cjwatson> not prepared to venture more until you've tried that
[15:57] <dlynes_laptop> ok..
[15:57] <cjwatson> when you run without 'splash', plymouth is still running, but passes boot messages through
[15:57] <cjwatson> (it's basically doing multiplexing)
[15:59] <cjwatson> if that doesn't work, it would be best to run 'plymouth quit'
[15:59] <cjwatson> generally if you can try to avoid killing processes that's cleanere
[15:59] <cjwatson> *cleaner
[16:00] <dwhitehead> just encountered an issue with 10.04 upgrade and mysql... won't work now
[16:00] <dlynes_laptop> cjwatson, yeah...I only need this for the first boot
[16:00] <dlynes_laptop> cjwatson, after the first boot, I'm fine to have plymouth run
[16:00] <cjwatson> dwhitehead: I'm afraid we do initial installations here, not upgrades.  try #ubuntu or #ubuntu-server?
[16:00] <dlynes_laptop> cjwatson, actually....this is the current append line:          append ramdisk_size=14984 locale=en_CA console-setup/layoutcode=en_CA netcfg/wireless_wep= netcfg/choose_interface=eth0 netcfg_gethostname= url=http://preseed.ubuntu.com/preseed-lucid-station-installer.cfg vga=normal initrd=lucid-station-installer/i386/initrd.gz --
[16:01] <dlynes_laptop> cjwatson, erm...nvm....it's not using that at this point...it's already past that point
[16:04] <dlynes_laptop> cjwatson, I guess as part of my preseed late_command, I should modify the grub2 configs to modify the plymouth out of there?
[16:06] <cjwatson> more likely, you'd need to run 'plymouth quit' at the start of your second-stage installer commands
[16:06] <cjwatson> thinking about it, running without 'splash' probably won't actually help much, sorry
[16:06] <cjwatson> but just telling plymouth to go away should be straightforward
[16:09] <dlynes_laptop> cjwatson, Ok, because I just tried the 'plymouth quit' command, and I'm left with a black screen....no text on it...is that normal?
[16:11] <cjwatson> well, I'm expecting that you would be running your second-stage installer code after that, and that it will put something on the console ...
[16:16] <dlynes_laptop> cjwatson, trying that now, thanks
[16:16] <dlynes_laptop> cjwatson, btw...is the 10.04 installer supposed to take considerably longer than the 9.04 install?
[16:19] <cjwatson> ext4 is known to slow things down somewhat sometimes
[16:19] <cjwatson> long story
[16:20] <dlynes_laptop> Oh...why was it chosen as the default, then?
[16:20] <dlynes_laptop> Or is it faster after everything's installed and you're only writing data?
[16:35] <cjwatson> again, long story :)  dpkg is kind of a worst case for it due to the things it has to do to be absolutely reliable
[16:46] <dlynes_laptop> ah
[16:48] <dlynes_laptop> Anyways...I seem to be getting the 2nd stage installer on tty7 now, and a blinking cursor about 8 lines down on a completely black screen on tty1
[16:49] <dlynes_laptop> tty2 through tty6 seem to be what you would normally expect
[16:50] <cjwatson> it's possible you may need to explicitly chvt after quitting plymouth
[16:57] <dlynes_laptop> cjwatson, yeah...I'm on a limited timeline today, though....so I'm skipping the 2nd stage install for now, and doing it manually, instead
[16:58] <dlynes_laptop> cjwatson, it was working very well for 9.04, but completely fubar with 10.04 (and I'm guessing 10.1 as well)
[16:58] <dlynes_laptop> cjwatson, it seemed to work for 9.1 as well, but 9.1 was a bust for us because of nfs mounts over pxe boot not working so well
[16:59] <dlynes_laptop> cjwatson, it's something i'm going to have to address in 10.04 now, so when I figure it out, i'll be sending script patches and a bug report onto launchpad.net
[17:00] <dlynes_laptop> cjwatson, thanks for the tip about chvt, though...I will try that on Monday
[17:01] <Riddell> what's the best way to create an ubuntu bootable usb stick from non-ubuntu linux?
[17:01] <dlynes_laptop> cjwatson, btw, I'm guessing ubuntu has a limited number of tasksels you can do in the preseed?
[17:02] <dlynes_laptop> Riddell, Same way as you create it from ubuntu linux?
[17:02] <Riddell> dlynes_laptop: so "create usb-creator packages for suse" then "use usb-creator" ?
[17:04] <dlynes_laptop> Riddell, http://www.pendrivelinux.com/using-unetbootin-to-create-a-linux-usb-from-linux/
[17:04] <dlynes_laptop> Riddell, distribution independent, that way
[17:04] <dlynes_laptop> Riddell, afaik, usb-creator only works if you're running ubuntu
[17:05] <dlynes_laptop> Riddell, but, i'm not an expert, either
[17:05] <cjwatson> dlynes_laptop: theoretically you should be able to select as many packages as you like
[17:05] <cjwatson> dlynes_laptop: maybe you're running into a command-line length limit or something, if you tried to install a truly enormous number
[17:05] <dlynes_laptop> cjwatson, that's what i thought, but 9.04 seemed to cut me off after so many packages
[17:06] <dlynes_laptop> cjwatson, i was installing an enormous number, but they were all one per line
[17:07] <dlynes_laptop> cjwatson, was installing a bunch of drivers, network management/diagnostic tools, software development tools and software development libraries
[17:07] <cjwatson> yeah, but they all go onto one giant apt-get install line in the end
[17:07] <dlynes_laptop> cjwatson, ah...so how do you get around that, then?
[17:07] <cjwatson> file a bug with logs and I'll look at it
[17:07] <dlynes_laptop> How do I get logs of it?
[17:08] <cjwatson> after it fails, hit the go-back button until you get to the main menu, and select "save debug logs"
[17:08] <cjwatson> or you can switch to alt-f2, run 'anna-install openssh-client-udeb', and then you have scp
[17:08] <dlynes_laptop> cjwatson, this is in the console installer?  or the gui installer?
[17:08] <cjwatson> /var/log/syslog is the important one
[17:08] <cjwatson> console
[17:08] <dlynes_laptop> Ok, thanks....much appreciated
[17:08] <cjwatson> the GUI installer doesn't have tasksel
[17:09] <dlynes_laptop> I will include the preseed config file as well
[17:09] <dlynes_laptop> Again...don't know if i'll get it on there today, or not....but by Monday for sure
[17:11] <dlynes_laptop> Btw...if we have a support contract with Canonical, can we get packages backported, such as wireshark 1.4?
[17:13] <cjwatson> I don't know the answer to that - you'd have to ask your support contact
[17:13] <cjwatson> development and support are fairly separate, except for escalated bugs and the like
[17:14] <dlynes_laptop> ah...ok