[00:00] <karni> I guess the faster I go to sleep, the faster I'll get up lol! been 9 hours on train today
[00:00] <beuno> karni, ouch
[00:00] <karni> beuno: so, take care and talk to you soon :)
[00:00] <beuno> go away!
[00:00] <karni> ^_^
[00:01] <beuno> have a great night
[00:01] <karni> tnx. night all!
[03:22] <shane4ubuntu> u1 and OO.o don't seem to get along very well.  If I'm editing a document (I habitually save while editing) I end up with multiple conflicting files, and u1 starts to require more cpu, I find it best to shutdown u1 while editing docs.
[03:23] <shane4ubuntu> I assume this shouldn't be considered normal
[10:29] <Lunar_Lamp> I've seen the same issue as shane4ubuntu mentioned, though I didn't notice extra CPU.
[10:29] <Lunar_Lamp> It just got frustrating, as I was editing a script and then saving it and running, but the permissions kept being changed to non-executable when it set up the conflicting files.
[10:30] <rye> facundobatista, ^
[10:32] <rye> Lunar_Lamp, at the moment, executable bit and modification time are discarded, there is a bug report about that, searching...
[10:33] <Lunar_Lamp> rye: ok, no worries
[10:34] <Lunar_Lamp> I know it's a new offering etc, so bugs are expected.
[10:34] <Lunar_Lamp> I was able to work round it with minimal hassle.
[10:34] <Lunar_Lamp> Just seeing the comment in here made me realise that I should probably mention it /o\z
[10:35] <rye> Lunar_Lamp, that is not exactly a bug, the decision for omiting mtime and executable bit was done deliberately but I do not know why that was done exactly, therefore I poke facundobatista who knows about this decision more
[10:40] <Lunar_Lamp> Fair enough, though the behaviour, as far as I was concernedwas buggy ;-)
[12:12] <facundobatista> rye, AFAIK we don't synchronize metadata about the files (times, permissions, etc.) because we specifically leave it out of the first stage of the service, to consider it later, don't know if it will be considered later, or it will depend of people needs (I mean, is people asking for that? do we even have a bug about it?)
[12:12] <facundobatista> rye, note that it's not plain dead to handle that information, as different systems store different metadata (and same metadata differently)
[12:13] <rye> facundobatista, well, last mtime wins, and for execute bit, since we are Ubuntu-related more than Windows, that should be supported, I think
[12:15] <facundobatista> rye, ok, I'm not opposing to it
[12:51] <CardinalFang> karni, hi hi.
[12:51] <karni> hi CardinalFang !
[12:51]  * CardinalFang looks for code that's outstanding./
[12:51] <karni> CardinalFang: I was just about to push the branch and check it out
[12:52] <karni> CardinalFang: I'll to that as soon as I finish one talk
[12:53] <CardinalFang> Yes, found the build setup.  https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~cmiller/ubuntuone-android-files/build-setup
[12:53] <karni> CardinalFang: one question -- if a bug is not related directly to purpose of one branch (say, your's was name refactor and ant setup), then we don't care about the bug in that particular merge proposal, right?
[12:53] <karni> CardinalFang: I wanted to say, pull the branch and check it out. arghh. I forgot about what and when we left , so I'll get to that in 5 min
[12:54] <CardinalFang> karni, I may not understand your question, but:  A branch should try to do one thing well and one thing only.
[12:54] <karni> CardinalFang: perfect answer, thank you.
[12:54] <karni> CardinalFang: so I should examine it only for correctes of ant setup :)
[12:55] <CardinalFang> karni, Btw, I made a Android theme for use in all ubuntu-ish projects.  First application here:  http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cmiller/ubuntuone-android-music/make-new-ubuntu-theme/revision/463
[12:56] <CardinalFang> karni, review it for everything it changes.  It's my job to make the diff as clear and good as possible.
[12:57] <karni> CardinalFang: w00t, awesome
[13:00] <CardinalFang> karni, Ah, yeah, my branch changes a lot.  I violated my own principle there, in changing a dozen small things.
[13:00] <CardinalFang> Sorry.  :(
[13:01] <karni> CardinalFang: no problem. I'll focus on ant setup, if that's fine (and I think it was), I'll vote for the merge
[13:16] <karni> CardinalFang: lp:~cmiller/ubuntuone-android-files/build-setup approved, good work Chad
[13:17] <karni> building the project is now easy as cake for anyone
[13:17] <karni> CardinalFang: question is -- how many reviews do Ubuntu project need by default, 3 ?
[13:20] <shane4ubuntu> does anyone else have problems with OO.o and U1?  They don't seem to get along well for me.  When editing a document, U1 creates a lot of duplicate/conflicting problems, is this normal?
[13:21] <karni> hi shane4ubuntu. never worked on OO under U1 folder, so I can't help
[13:21] <shane4ubuntu> it isn't a big deal, more of an annoyance
[13:22] <shane4ubuntu> ok, brb
[13:22] <karni> shane4ubuntu: however, when I created a regular text document with gedit, I got a hidden dot file first, and that was quite messy at first with my AndroidU1 app that tried to already sync that.
[13:22] <karni> somebody else might have something to say.
[13:22] <shane4ubuntu> ok, appreciate it karni I will check back in a bit, I have mentioned it a few times here in the channel, but haven't gotten any responses
[13:23] <shane4ubuntu> different times over the past week
[13:23] <karni> I see :<
[13:24] <karni> shane4ubuntu: maybe try directly with duanedesign or rye -- they're live knowledge bases about U1
[13:26] <shane4ubuntu> karni, yes, I know, but I hate to bother them, they probably duck and hide when they see me log in.
[13:26] <rye> shane4ubuntu, heeeey?
[13:27] <rye> shane4ubuntu, conflicts, just a moment..
[13:27] <rye> bug #631613
[13:27] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 631613 in ubuntuone-client "editing a file with gedit generates self conflicts (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/631613
[13:27] <CardinalFang> rye, I've seen it with "vim", fwiw.
[13:27] <shane4ubuntu> rye, actually it is editing with OpenOffice, but probably same thing
[13:27] <karni> hehehehh :)
[13:28] <rye> CardinalFang, anything that does atomic "write new file, unlink old one, move file"
[13:28] <karni> fix committed, nice
[13:28] <rye> shane4ubuntu, what version are you running ?
[13:28] <shane4ubuntu> rye, of U1 or OO.o?
[13:28] <rye> shane4ubuntu, ubuntuone-client
[13:29] <shane4ubuntu> Version: 1.4.4.1-0ubuntu1
[13:29] <karni> CardinalFang: so what's the drill, you need more reviews for merge?
[13:29] <shane4ubuntu> is there a newer?
[13:31] <rye> 1.4.5-0ubuntu1
[13:31] <rye> shane4ubuntu, you may want to enable proposed updates
[13:31] <CardinalFang> rye, vim doesn't make a temp file and rename it, fwiw.  Just open()+write()+close()
[13:32] <shane4ubuntu> ohh, ok, let me do that and update u1
[13:32] <rye> shane4ubuntu, and give that extensive test with OOo
[13:32] <shane4ubuntu> rye, I work almost on a daily basis with OO.o and specifically in the udf
[13:33] <rye> shane4ubuntu, okay, we have a bug report now we need to test that. I use OOo occasionally, my primary editor for everything is vim
[13:33] <CardinalFang> karni, if you think it should be merged, I'll merge it.  I don't think anyone else needs to review it, at present.
[13:34] <CardinalFang> karni, I see your Approval.  I'll merge now.
[13:34] <karni> CardinalFang: please merge :) (or even better, teach me how you'll do that. bzr merge .. ?)
[13:34] <karni> CardinalFang: ok
[13:35] <shane4ubuntu> rye, I signed up for the bug you mentioned, is that fine to report there, or should I make a new one?
[13:35]  * karni feeds the dog
[13:37] <rye> shane4ubuntu, i believe it is, depending on the results
[13:37] <CardinalFang> karni, "bzr branch" creates a new copy of some branch.  "bzr pull" will append to this copy new revisions that are on some remote branch, assuming there is nothing new here.  "bzr merge" will graft revisions on where there is no obvious "tip" of the revision tree, and ask you to commit the change to make a new tip.
[13:37] <CardinalFang> karni, "bzr push" will send the local branch to some remote location.
[13:38] <shane4ubuntu> rye, lol, hind sight is always 20/20. :)
[13:38] <CardinalFang> karni, I'm going to "bzr push" this branch to the location that's the trunk of this project.
[13:38] <karni> CardinalFang: I see
[13:39] <karni> CardinalFang: thanks for the detailed explanations
[13:42] <shane4ubuntu> rye, here is the other problem I have noticed before two, when editing a doc with OOo, I get u1 using high cpu
[13:43] <rye> ok, is there anyone using d-c backend for evolution contacts on maverick? Do you have some contacts you want to delete? What happens if you do delete the contact locally?
[13:44] <shane4ubuntu> d-c?  I'm using evolution and have contacts, and am on maverick
[13:44] <shane4ubuntu> rye ^^
[13:44] <rye> shane4ubuntu, do you have some contact that is ok to be deleted from CouchDB ?
[13:44] <rye> shane4ubuntu, some test one or something like this
[13:45] <shane4ubuntu> yes, I put a few in there, but it isn't my primary place
[13:45] <shane4ubuntu> hmm, I clicked on UbuntuOne addressbook, and it cannot connect??  odd.
[13:45] <rye> shane4ubuntu, or create a new one for tests, that should not matter. Please create one and try to remove it.
[13:46] <shane4ubuntu> rye, gotta run, be back in about 45min,
[13:46] <shane4ubuntu> it wouldn't bring up the addressbook though
[13:46] <rye> shane4ubuntu, okay, thanks! :)
[13:46] <rye> shane4ubuntu, well, that's another issue... ok, will test in vm :)
[14:35] <nessita> rye: ping
[14:35] <nessita> rye: were you able to look the ussoc package info related to bug #673368?
[14:35] <ubot4> nessita: Bug 673368 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/673368 is private
[15:24] <shane4ubuntu> rye, ok, I'm back but only for a few minutes.  It seems as though Maverick is riddled with problems, or at least Evolution is in Maverick, calendar isn't working right, so I'm not surprised about the contacts stuff.
[15:30] <shane4ubuntu> rye, when I click on the addressbook I get this error: This address book cannot be opened.  This either means that an incorrect URI was entered or the server is unreachable.  Detailed error message:  Address Book does not exist
[15:30] <shane4ubuntu> I love the detailed error message. :)  real detailed.
[15:30] <rye> shane4ubuntu, do you have DesktopCouch records in seahorse?
[15:31] <shane4ubuntu> hmm, not sure there, if you can explain how to know or see that.
[15:34] <rye> shane4ubuntu, just open seahorse (System / Preferences / Passwords and Encryption Keys)
[15:35] <shane4ubuntu> oh, seahorse (passwords and encryption) I wouldn't have made that connection, at any rate in there I have two UbuntuOnes
[15:38] <shane4ubuntu> rye, and no DesktopCouch stuff.
[15:38] <CardinalFang> karni, beuno, two minor changes for music streaming app:  https://code.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-android-music/+activereviews
[15:39] <rye> shane4ubuntu, I know how to fix that
[15:39] <rye> shane4ubuntu, https://bugs.launchpad.net/desktopcouch/+bug/668409
[15:39] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 668409 in desktopcouch "Does not check for local auth entries in keyring if couchdb.html is present and parseable. (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[15:39] <CardinalFang> One removes the configuration option for light/dark theme.  Use "Ubuntu" theme only now.
[15:40] <CardinalFang> One fixes all compiler warnings at build time.
[15:40] <karni> CardinalFang: looks like I'm late? 'Ubuntu One Android Music-Client has no active code reviews.'
[15:40]  * CardinalFang boggles.
[15:40] <karni> oh, I'm not a developer in U1M
[15:40] <karni> CardinalFang: ↑
[15:40] <CardinalFang> That shouldn't matter.
[15:41] <shane4ubuntu> ok, rye how do I stop couch?
[15:41] <CardinalFang> karni, anything here?  https://code.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-android-music/+merges
[15:41] <karni> CardinalFang: the maintainer is Ubuntu One Hackers, and I see 'no active code reviews' under that link you gave..
[15:41] <rye> shane4ubuntu, /usr/lib/desktop-couch/desktopcouch-stop
[15:41]  * karni checks
[15:42] <karni> CardinalFang: yes, but all have status 'merged'
[15:42] <karni> CardinalFang: last one is Ubuntu One Android Music-Client has no active code reviews.
[15:42] <karni> oops
[15:42] <karni> CardinalFang: lp:~cmiller/ubuntuone-android-music/activities-show-container ⇒ lp:ubuntuone-android-music
[15:43] <CardinalFang> karni, reload?
[15:44] <karni> CardinalFang: site ( https://code.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-android-music/+merges ) lists only already 'merged' status proposals.
[15:44] <karni> CardinalFang: so it doesn't matter I'm not in U1Hackers?
[15:44] <karni> beuno: do you see CardinalFangs merge proposal?
[15:45] <karni> CardinalFang: wait, I got 2 mails
[15:45] <karni> CardinalFang: got the mails, but hit: Not allowed here
[15:45] <karni> Sorry, you don't have permission to access this page.
[15:45] <karni> You are logged in as Michał Karnicki.
[15:45] <shane4ubuntu> rye,  and to restart couch?  desktopcouch-service gives me a very odd bunch of errors, I tried starting it as normal user, not as sudo
[15:46] <rye> shane4ubuntu, no, no sudo, odd bunch of errors? COuld you please pastebin them?
[15:48] <shane4ubuntu> rye, ok, when I shut it down, I used root, however when I started it, I thought, try user first here are the errors:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/530065/    Then I hit ctrl-c to close it.
[15:48] <karni> beuno: looks like I can't review code for U1M project under Ubuntu One hackers.
[15:48]  * CardinalFang boggles.
[15:48] <rye> shane4ubuntu, erm, could you please stop it using regular user (desktopcouch is user-specific, so no need for root), then wait for 30 seconds (for zeroconf name to stop colliding) and then run again
[15:49] <rye> shane4ubuntu, i mean then run desktopcouch-service again
[15:49] <shane4ubuntu> rye, ok
[15:49] <CardinalFang> karni, sorry, this is beyone my ken.
[15:49] <karni> CardinalFang: no problem :)
[15:50] <karni> CardinalFang: one day guys might switch that to Ubuntu One Android hackers, or I might join Ubuntu One hackers, when I contribute more.
[15:50] <shane4ubuntu> rye, Ok, I had already stopped it as user before you asked, so I restarted it, and seems same output, replication: We seem to be running already, or can't publish our zeroconf advert.
[15:51] <shane4ubuntu> rye, oh, nevermind, seems to be running, ok, deleting contact on u1 addresses
[15:52] <shane4ubuntu> rye, failed to delete contact - Other error
[15:52] <rye> shane4ubuntu, awesome
[15:52] <shane4ubuntu> right, I have permanently given my contacts away to u1!  :-0    :)
[15:54] <shane4ubuntu> ok, I created a contact and that worked fine
[15:55] <shane4ubuntu> ok, when I tried to delete that newly created contact, was not able to.
[15:55] <shane4ubuntu> rye ^^^^
[15:56] <shane4ubuntu> be back later.
[17:06] <peppe84> hi. is possible delete all contact in one way?
[19:23] <mandel> dotalchemy, ping
[20:31] <shane4ubuntu> ok, how do I get rid of this sticky process???  shane    27018  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        Z    Nov10   0:06 [ubuntuone-indic] <defunct>
[20:32] <shane4ubuntu> kill -9 27018 doesn't cut it.
[20:36] <shane4ubuntu> duanedesign, remember I said you could put ubuntuone-indicator in your .profile in the home directory, don't do it, bad idea. :)
[20:37] <shane4ubuntu> I found the parent id of that defunct process and killed it, apparently it was my .profile, or something, logged me out immediately. :)
[21:21] <duanedesign> shane4ubuntu: oh no :\
[21:49] <duanedesign> rye: did you find the bug about executable and last mtime  data not being synced?
[21:50] <AJenbo> hi, how do i view the content of my desktop-couch?
[21:52] <rye> shane4ubuntu, NONONO, it supposed to be running from gnome-session-daemon controlled environment, and I will add the autostart option for next release!
[21:52] <rye> duanedesign, i am afraid I have not
[21:53] <duanedesign> rye: not a big deal
[21:53] <duanedesign> rye: was just answering some questions on askubuntu and that issue came up
[21:54] <AJenbo> i deleted some bookmarks and i need to see if they are still in the couchdb
[21:56] <duanedesign> hello AJenbo
[21:56] <AJenbo> hi
[21:57] <AJenbo> some one in here showed me how to view the content of the couchdb from my browser, but i forgot how it works and can't find any thing on the net
[21:58] <duanedesign> AJenbo: you can view your local CouchDB by putting this address in  FireFox (replacing USERNAME with your username) file:///home/YOURUSERNAME/.local/share/desktop-couch/couchdb.html
[21:59] <AJenbo> duanedesign, thanks
[22:01] <shane4ubuntu> rye, yes, I figured that out too. :)
[22:14] <duanedesign> rye: think i found it bug 385511
[22:14] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 385511 in ubuntuone-client "Permissions are not tracked (affects: 8) (dups: 2) (heat: 43)" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/385511
[22:21] <AJenbo> Hi, when i try to open http://localhost:44749/_utils i get "could not connect"
[22:40] <duanedesign> AJenbo: running file:///home/YOURUSERNAME/.local/share/desktop-couch/couchdb.html is not working?
[22:44] <duanedesign> AJenbo: might try the steps here under 'Killing and Restarting Desktopcouch' http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/desktopcouch/Documentation/Troubleshooting
[22:51] <AJenbo> duanedesign, yeah that ju t forwared me to the none working page
[22:51] <AJenbo> rebooting didn't solve it either
[22:53] <duanedesign> AJenbo: usually happens when desktopcouch is not running. This command should start it:  dbus-send --session --dest=org.desktopcouch.CouchDB --print-reply --type=method_call / org.desktopcouch.CouchDB.getPort
[22:55] <AJenbo> solved
[22:56] <AJenbo> duanedesign, is there a good way of extracting content from couchdb?
[22:56] <AJenbo> i want to extract all the book marks in to a list
[22:59] <rye> AJenbo, use the url - http://localhost:$couchport/boomarks/_all_docs?include_docs=true
[22:59]  * rye is not technically there
[23:01] <AJenbo> rye, thanks, you missed a "k" ;)
[23:01] <AJenbo> rye, i'm fairly good with javascript so should be able to handle the data in this format (json)
[23:02] <rye> AJenbo, yup, that's the power of couchdb, actually, but we tend to hide that behind plugin layers :)
[23:22] <AJenbo> :-)