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| mhall119 | is there a way for users to define their own stylesheets in a browser for accessibility changes? | 13:25 |
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| mhall119 | kind of like how you can specify font settings that get applied over whatever the page says to use | 13:26 |
| Pendulum | if things aren't hardcoded, yes. but generally people don't like to use them because they break things and make it all look really ugly | 13:28 |
| Pendulum | (or at least, it's possible in firefox) | 13:28 |
| mhall119 | ok, so we'd have to provide users a way to enable/disable accessibility stylesheets | 13:29 |
| nigelb | Pendulum: Possible in a lot of browsers | 13:29 |
| nigelb | (we are taught that when we learn about precidence of styles :) ) | 13:30 |
| mhall119 | nigelb: the question was how to tell the browser to apply the accessibility styles, and when not to | 13:30 |
| Pendulum | so you could set everything at high contrast but you would have to view every website that way | 13:31 |
| Pendulum | there's no way to specify just for certain pages (afaik) | 13:31 |
| mhall119 | there are CSS media types for things like "speech" instead of "screen", are these used by browsers? | 13:31 |
| Pendulum | i don't actually know | 13:33 |
| mhall119 | if so, we can produce different styles for the Ubuntu web theme for these media types | 13:34 |
| UndiFineD | http://www.devseo.co.uk/blog/view/pure-css-speech-bubbles | 13:34 |
| mhall119 | also not sure if this is implemented in any browsers: http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/aural.html | 13:34 |
| UndiFineD | scrool to the bottom of the page on my link to see examples | 13:36 |
| mhall119 | UndiFineD: not what I was talking about | 13:37 |
| Pendulum | UndiFineD: i can't even read that link as the page is giving me a headache :-/ | 13:37 |
| mhall119 | Pendulum: how about something like tihs; http://www.w3.org/Style/Examples/007/alternatives.html | 13:38 |
| mhall119 | it works in Firefox at least | 13:38 |
| Pendulum | mhall119: your link was fine | 13:38 |
| mhall119 | not chrome, but I'm going to assume people who need accessible stylesheets won't be using chrome | 13:38 |
| mhall119 | is that a safe assumption? | 13:38 |
| Pendulum | tbh, I have no idea. I don't know what charlie-tca uses and he's generally our best test on accessible style sheets | 13:39 |
| mhall119 | okay, I'll look for him later, but I think if we can make an alternate, accessible style what people can switch to easily, that'll solve a lot of our ally bugs | 13:43 |
| UndiFineD | http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/WD-css3-speech-20041216/ <-- is this the whole specification ? | 13:46 |
| Pendulum | yes! | 13:46 |
| Pendulum | mhall119: I would be totally in favour of that! | 13:46 |
| Pendulum | mhall119: also, talk to AlanBell because I think he may be willing to help | 13:46 |
| mhall119 | ok, I'm hoping the design team will give us some CSS to use | 13:47 |
| * AlanBell reads back | 13:47 | |
| UndiFineD | I will spend some time tomorrow to get such a page working | 13:48 |
| AlanBell | oh, ok. I think where I got on this was that newz2000 was going to let me write an accessible stylesheet and he agreed to probably not reject it | 13:48 |
| mhall119 | lol, good enough for me | 13:49 |
| UndiFineD | I will put it on my own page, trying to get faisal spoken ;) | 13:49 |
| mhall119 | actually, I think we might want more than one accessible stylesheet for the different profiles | 13:49 |
| AlanBell | my initial suggestion was to install the simplemente theme as an optional theme | 13:52 |
| AlanBell | he would prefer to incorporate the features of that theme into the light theme like the navigation and screen reader support. I am not sure how practical that is. | 13:53 |
| AlanBell | and he talked about a stylesheet loaded through means as yet unknown, which would increase the font size and contrast | 13:53 |
| AlanBell | mhall119: is reset.css just something from the wiki theme or is it all over the place? | 13:54 |
| AlanBell | mhall119: problem with getting the browser to select an alternative stylesheet is that it doesn't appear to be sticky, so you go to a page of the wiki, choose your fancy high contrast stylesheet, go to another page and you are back to square one | 14:07 |
| mhall119 | AlanBell: reset.css doesn't sound familiar to me, so maybe just the wiki theme | 14:16 |
| mhall119 | hmmm, not using the same sheet across pages on the same site would suck | 14:17 |
| Pendulum | AlanBell: i'm fairly certain there's a way that should be able to make it sticky since other sites can | 14:19 |
| Pendulum | or are you talking about browser specific style sheets rather than stylessheets offered by the website itself? | 14:20 |
| AlanBell | Pendulum: I could easily be wrong | 14:24 |
| AlanBell | I went here in firefox http://www.w3.org/Style/Examples/007/alternatives.html selected one of the other sheets, hit refresh and it flipped back to the initial view | 14:25 |
| Pendulum | hmm | 14:25 |
| Pendulum | because the BBC definitely can get it right as the ouch! stylesheets stay across the site when you change pages | 14:26 |
| Pendulum | and considering how much they've messed up the ouch site otherwise... | 14:26 |
| AlanBell | I can only see "basic page style" and "no style" on the ouch site | 14:28 |
| nigelb | mhall119: well, generally user stylesheets are first | 14:36 |
| mhall119 | nigelb: how do users assign sytlesheetS? | 15:13 |
| nigelb | mhall119: users will have to create it. Like body {font-size: 20px;} in a mystyle.css and ask browser to use that | 15:14 |
| nigelb | the exact options vary | 15:14 |
| nigelb | I've heard some browsers allow per site user stylesheets | 15:14 |
| UndiFineD | http://userstyles.org/styles/15509 | 15:49 |
| UndiFineD | it is a browser plugin | 15:49 |
| mhall119 | it would be nice if browsers would send a "Enable Accessibility" Header attribute | 15:53 |
| UndiFineD | ok, this works really well: http://imtranslator.net/Translator-For-Firefox-ImTranslator_v_3_3_5.asp | 18:06 |
| UndiFineD | just tested it quickly | 18:06 |
| UndiFineD | mhall119, what can be done is this: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7607669/speech_useragent.png | 18:29 |
| mhall119 | UndiFineD: I don't really want to resort to making people setup custom UAs | 20:12 |
| UndiFineD | no this is a step in between, i would rather offer something correctly | 20:13 |
| UndiFineD | without changing | 20:13 |
| UndiFineD | by the user | 20:14 |
| AlanBell | done a bit more on http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/faisal | 23:49 |
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