[00:10] <elky> Pici, who the heck is this guy?
[00:11] <Pici> elky: I think hes the person who seriously suggested that everyone in #ubuntu-offtopic needed psychological help.
[00:11] <Pici> Not jokingly.
[00:58] <Pici> ikonia: are you ircing in your sleep?
[00:59] <ikonia> no, waiting to go to bed
[00:59] <ikonia> waiting for something to finish
[00:59] <ikonia> almost done
[01:00] <ikonia> how can someone have read the man page to know what options they don't want, but not read the one they do want
[01:29] <Hobbsee> ikonia: anything founded by cjwatson is official, including that one.  it's a dev channel
[01:32] <Hobbsee> ikonia: actually, pretty much anything that follows #ubuntu-*, and is made by a core dev, is definitely official (offshoots from #ubuntu-devel)
[01:32] <Hobbsee> if that helps at all
[01:32] <Pici> Hobbsee: That doesn't mean that the channel isn't defunct though.
[01:33] <Hobbsee> or definitely wanted, and on-topic, anyway
[01:33] <Hobbsee> Pici: that one tends to be, during the time when they're not actively debugging installers (ie, no alphas out at the moment)
[02:56]  * h00k forwards niko to #fix-your-connection
[10:00] <ikonia> not happy with petan advocating downloading binaries/libs from mozilla.org and dumping them over the top of the ubuntu packaged ones
[10:05] <jrib> ikonia: but it worked now.  Never mind the fact in 2 weeks the user will be wondering why everything is bonkers!
[10:08] <ikonia> annoying
[11:23] <popey> whats the policy on people just barking google at users?
[11:24] <Flannel> popey: it's not good
[11:24] <Flannel> !google
[11:24] <popey> ahh, better than the !jfgi i used
[11:24] <popey> thanks
[11:42] <bazhang> is Josh__ just being totally random? or is that me
[13:26] <Pici> Does jdub still do Ubuntu stuff?
[13:32] <ikonia> not seen him active in #ubuntu for a while, that doesn't mean no though
[13:37] <popey> yes, he recently re-applied for ubuntu membership
[13:37] <popey> i believe so his new blog could be syndicated on planet ubuntu
[13:37] <ikonia> cool
[13:38] <popey> don't think he actively 'contributes' (however you measure that) other than blogging / commenting / ranting on identi.ca
[13:39] <ikonia> then how does that work ?
[13:40] <popey> how does what work?
[13:40] <ikonia> if he doesn't do anything (hard to measure) but gets membership
[13:40] <popey> dunno if he got membership
[13:40] <popey> i just know he asked
[13:40] <ikonia> ah
[13:40] <popey> given it had lapsed when he left the project
[13:40] <popey> seems he does have it
[13:40] <popey> https://launchpad.net/~jdub
[13:40] <ikonia> I didnt know he'd left the project
[13:41] <popey> depends how you define left
[13:41] <ikonia> I suppose
[13:41] <popey> he left canonical and at that point he kinda droped off the planet a bit
[13:42] <ikonia> looks like he's back
[13:42] <popey> http://ubuntuedge.wordpress.com/ is his new blog
[13:44] <ikonia> interesting few posts I'm reading
[13:53] <ikonia> ubuXubu is annoying me, he seems to think that having 18 dual boot computers in his basement is an excuse to say anything and make it fact
[14:26] <aborticide> can i be unbanned in #ubuntu ?
[14:34] <jrib> ikonia, jussi: ?
[14:34] <ikonia> aborticide: you asked to actually be banned though
[14:34] <ikonia> aborticide: I have no idea why, but you kept joining this channel and asking to banned in #ubuntu
[14:36] <ikonia> aborticide: hello
[14:37] <aborticide> hi
[14:37] <aborticide> i was away in another window
[14:38] <ikonia> no problem
[14:38] <ikonia> so what was all this business joining this channel and asking if you could be banned from #ubuntu about ?
[14:38] <aborticide> will you help me with a virtualbox problem?
[14:39] <ikonia> can't here, this one isn't a support channel
[14:39] <aborticide> ikonia: i figured it's pointless to fool myself into rejoining every couple of days asking for support since i am muted
[14:39] <ikonia> plus I'm jugging a few things at the moment
[14:39] <aborticide> k
[14:39] <jrib> aborticide: why did you ask to be banned?
[14:39] <ikonia> aborticide: at the time there was no ban/mute showing
[14:39] <ikonia> hence the confusion at why you kept joining #ubuntu-ops asking to be banned
[14:40]  * aborticide wonders if jrib is trying to incite a conflict here
[14:40] <ikonia> you also stated in other channels that you'd do something to get yourself banned that would be "cool" or "funny"
[14:40] <aborticide> yes there was
[14:40] <jrib> aborticide: I'm not, I'm trying to understand why you are banned...
[14:40] <aborticide> are you aware that i already asnwered that question?
[14:40] <aborticide> i guess not, hehe
[14:40] <jrib> nope
[14:40] <aborticide> well why not?
[14:40] <aborticide> obviously you are capable of reading
[14:41] <ikonia> ok, calm down a little, the reason this is hard to understand is we couldn't see a ban/mute for you before
[14:41] <ikonia> hence why you asking to be banned didn't make sense
[14:41] <ikonia> plus it's a little odd that you then suggested in another channel you'd do something to get yourself banned
[14:41] <ikonia> who set a mute on you in #ubuntu and why ?
[14:42] <aborticide> i don't remember, maybe it was you
[14:42] <ikonia> (we really couldn't see anything at the time of your asking)
[14:42] <aborticide> oh it was bahzhang
[14:42] <ikonia> it wasn't me,
[14:42] <ikonia> ok - why
[14:42] <aborticide> don't know
[14:42] <aborticide> he was being a baby
[14:42] <ikonia> really ?
[14:42] <ikonia> so if I look at the logs now, there will be no reason for him to have set a mute on you
[14:42] <ikonia> is that what you're saying ?
[14:42] <aborticide> sure, if it was reasonable i would have just parted ways, seeing as i know i have no chance of appealing it
[14:43] <aborticide> obviously there will be a reason, but it was a baby reason
[14:43] <ikonia> errr you can appeal/resolve it, that's what I'm trying to do now
[14:43] <ikonia> aborticide: ok, please explain the reason you got banned (it's quicker than me going through the logs)
[14:43] <ikonia> sorry - muted
[14:43] <aborticide> i don't remember, really
[14:43] <ikonia> but you know it was a baby reason ?
[14:43] <aborticide> you're the one who is helping me with the kernel, so clearly i'm not trying to waste your time
[14:44] <aborticide> it was a minor conflict
[14:44] <ikonia> I don't think your wasting me time - I've had very reasonable conversations with you in other channels, hence trying to resolve/understand what's gone on
[14:44] <aborticide> i think he intended it to be like a 2minute ban, he wanted me to apologize for it and i didn't
[14:44] <aborticide> so he just left it like that
[14:45] <aborticide> of course i could just lie and fake it
[14:45] <aborticide> that's like the easiest solution
[14:45] <aborticide> but while i'm at i might just start sucking up to freenode staff in hopes of becomming an admin myself
[14:45] <ikonia> aborticide: can you hang on for a minute I'm just trying to find some info (as I said, at the time we couldn't see any)
[14:45] <aborticide> okay
[14:45] <ikonia> drop the attitude, it's not helping, I'm trying to be reasonable and helpful, being silly about it isn't helpful
[14:46] <ikonia> almost there, I may have found someething
[14:47] <aborticide> we don't have to be robotic about it, i've been giving you straight and precise answers
[14:48] <ikonia> I know, I'm not doubting you,
[14:48] <aborticide> you're accusing me of having an attitude, i don't think i have an attitude
[14:49] <ikonia> aborticide: what was the rant about sucking up to freenode staff about ?
[14:49] <aborticide> the only way i could have less of an attitude is if i stopped being a person and started being a robot
[14:49] <ikonia> I don't need to hear that sort of stuff, I'm just being polite and trying to resolve your issue for you
[14:49] <aborticide> it wasn't a rant, i meant it just as it was written; if i wanted immunity in a certain channel i could become friends with the mods and then eventually become a mod, just like how sauvin does in freenode and then he can abuse the rules any way he pleases and not give a damn about anything
[14:49] <ikonia> from what I'm seeing from the logs you where bascially put on a mute (couldn't find it the first time) because of the random noise you where making in channel and a few smart moth comments
[14:50] <aborticide> yes i guess robotic individuals can't see the truth in something i saw unless its ultra technical
[14:50] <ikonia> aborticide: how is any of that relevant to your situation ? I just want to help you get this resolved ASAP, making comments like that are uncalled for and don't help
[14:50] <aborticide> i was using it to explain to you what my options are, since you asked me why
[14:51] <aborticide> i didn't intend to beging ranting about it
[14:51] <aborticide> just sayin', you know?
[14:51] <ikonia> aborticide: ok, well, try not to, please, its that sort of thing that appears to have got you muted
[14:51] <aborticide> if i start lieing about being sorry, in order to save time, then i might as well start trying to get immunity
[14:51] <ikonia> aborticide: I'm just going to ask for a few simple things and I'll remove the ban if your comfortablw tiht hem, is that ok ?
[14:51] <aborticide> i mean if i had said sorry to him, this problem wouldn't have gone on for like 5-6 days
[14:51] <ikonia> sorry - bad typing,
[14:52] <ikonia> if your comfortable with what I'll ask you to do
[14:52] <ikonia> is that ok ?
[14:52] <aborticide> he just wanted me to apologize to him but i said no way!
[14:52] <aborticide> comfortable with what? you haven't said it yet
[14:52] <ikonia> aborticide: stop, calm down and read what I'm typing to you
[14:52] <aborticide> you said you are going to ask me for a few simple things, but they have not been said yet
[14:53] <ikonia> aborticide: firstly, #ubuntu is a busy channel, the smart comments/clever jokes aren't needed, just try to stay with the topic of supporting Ubuntu, is that ok for a starter ?
[14:53] <aborticide> i don't know, it depends on the situation, often a smart cocky comment can be a supernova of truth
[14:53] <aborticide> i keep it balanced though
[14:53] <aborticide> equal proportions of technical data so people dont' get distracted
[14:53] <ikonia> then we can't continue
[14:53] <ikonia> I need you to not do it
[14:53] <ikonia> please.
[14:53] <aborticide> some people have compulsive obsessive disorder when they jump on my ass
[14:54] <aborticide> it's like if i started banning people because they don't capitalize their dots and the first letter of each sentence
[14:54] <ikonia> aborticide: no-one will jump on you if you keep to the support topic without the smart comments/jokes ?
[14:54] <ikonia> aborticide: is that do-able ?
[14:54] <aborticide> of if i start banning people because they can't ask super precise questions
[14:54] <aborticide> or*
[14:54] <ikonia> aborticide: stop
[14:54] <aborticide> i wasn't being unreasonable
[14:54] <aborticide> okay lets try something new: show me where i was being unreasonable
[14:54] <ikonia> aborticide: just answer with yes or no - that's all
[14:54] <ikonia> aborticide: no-one will jump on you if you keep to the support topic without the smart comments/jokes ?
[14:54] <ikonia> aborticide: is that do-able ?
[14:54] <aborticide> i don't even know what jokes i made
[14:55] <aborticide> i rarely even make jokes
[14:55] <aborticide> just ask xahlee, he thinks i'm a total nutcase, and he's a nutcase shut-in already
[14:55] <ikonia> aborticide: eg: when the person who couldn't speak English joined the channel and started speaking you commented "thats fasinacting, please tell me more"
[14:55] <aborticide> ah that's because he kept doing it after he was told 6 times, i thought the moderates were joking around with him, so naturally followed their tone
[14:56] <aborticide> is that really grounds to mute me on?
[14:56] <ikonia> aborticide: he wasn't told at all, yours was the first line
[14:56] <aborticide> cmon now
[14:56] <ikonia> aborticide: I'm using it as an example only
[14:56] <aborticide> i'm pretty sure he was told, can i see?
[14:56] <ikonia> aborticide: the logs are public
[14:56] <aborticide> i remember telling bazhang that it was told
[14:56] <aborticide> i don't know where to find the logs, i'm not a regular, can you tell me please?
[14:56] <aborticide> my statement wasn't a predatory statement out of the blue
[14:56] <aborticide> that's how i remember it
[14:57] <ikonia> well - it was
[14:57] <aborticide> that's also why i did it, because if it was out of the blue i know i'd get the sword right away
[14:57] <ikonia> the user said hello
[14:57] <ikonia> it was out of the blue
[14:57] <aborticide> i remember copying/pasting the previous times he was told when we were in ubuntu-ops even!
[14:57] <ikonia> the user then spoke in a non-english language
[14:57] <ikonia> you then made your comment
[14:57] <aborticide> this is all new-news to me, can i see the logs pls?
[14:57] <ikonia> aborticide: I'm not debating it, I'm stating what happened
[14:57] <ikonia> !logs
[14:58] <aborticide> does that have logs from ubuntu-ops too?
[14:58] <aborticide> what are LoCo channels?
[14:58] <ikonia> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/10/30/%23ubuntu.html
[14:58] <ikonia> there is the log
[14:58] <ikonia> search for "froncy"
[14:59] <aborticide> it seems it does, but i'm not sure what day it was on
[14:59] <ikonia> aborticide: loco are local ubuntu groups
[14:59] <aborticide> what day was the mute on?
[14:59] <ikonia> aborticide: I've just given you the link to the exact day
[14:59] <aborticide> oh
[14:59] <ikonia> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/10/30/%23ubuntu.html
[14:59] <aborticide> i swear it redirected me to the index page
[14:59] <ikonia> probably a typo
[14:59] <aborticide> let me investigate what happened
[15:00] <aborticide> its weird because i usually copy/paste stuff
[15:00] <aborticide> whatever
[15:00] <ikonia> just search for froncy - this is just an example
[15:01] <aborticide> first, observe that bazhang was picking a fight with me all along:
[15:01] <aborticide> aborticide	zteam: don't try debugging ubuntu, just reinstall it is faster	10:10
[15:01] <aborticide> sunit	yes	10:10
[15:01] <aborticide> bazhang	aborticide, not helpful
[15:01] <aborticide> bazhang: reinstalling alsa is quick and painless
[15:01] <ikonia> aborticide: stop, I'm not going through the log line by line
[15:01] <ikonia> aborticide: I'm agreeing to remove the ban if you can agree to the terms
[15:01] <ikonia> you asked for an example, I've giving you one
[15:02] <aborticide> okay i guess we can agree in a totally non-predictable weay
[15:02] <ikonia> aborticide: based on the example I've given you, can you please keep the smart comments/joke efforts out of the support channel ?
[15:02] <aborticide> see if i was medidating this behavior then i would be able to say , okay it will never ever happen again, but seeing as i just followed my logic common sense, this is an entire character attitude adjustment
[15:02] <ikonia> aborticide: I can't be bothered any more, I'm really trying and you're just constantly arguing it
[15:02] <ikonia> aborticide: I'm not removing the ban,
[15:02] <aborticide> okay
[15:03] <ikonia> aborticide: please come back another day when you can listen and resolve this
[15:03] <aborticide> can you ban me from here too? i don't want to fall into this trap again
[15:03] <ikonia> aborticide: no problem
[15:03] <ikonia> aborticide: if you part the channel I'll see if I can get that done
[15:04] <aborticide> oh that's weird, why do i have to part it?
[15:04] <ikonia> aborticide: because I can't do it this second, so if you part, I'll request it be done
[15:04] <aborticide> ah then i should make sure myself that this is guaranteed
[15:04] <jrib> ...
[15:04] <ikonia> if you feel you must
[15:05] <aborticide> well sure
[15:05] <aborticide> fuck shit ass bitch cunt
[15:05] <aborticide> fuck shit ass bitch cunt
[15:05] <aborticide> fuck shit ass bitch cunt
[15:05] <aborticide> fuck shit ass bitch cunt
[15:05] <aborticide> fuck shit ass bitch cunt
[15:05] <topyli> aborticide: you should part this channel anyway, since you aren't here to resolve any issue
[15:05] <aborticide> fuck shit ass bitch cunt
[15:05] <aborticide> fuck shit ass bitch cunt
[15:05] <jrib> !ops
[15:05] <ikonia> pointless and dissapointing, I've had some really interesting conversations with him in other channels
[15:05]  * Pici blinks
[17:32] <ikonia> http://www.mikesplanet.net/forums/
[17:32] <ikonia> worth noting
[17:34] <popey> and not spreading about
[17:34] <popey> his server is getting a royal beating
[17:34] <popey> you know thats Mike Basingers server where he's testing out the new theme?
[17:35] <ikonia> no, I didn't know that
[17:35] <ikonia> maybe he should setup some restrictions on it so it doesn't get spidered by google
[17:38] <popey> well.. it wasn't spidered by google until it was mentioned in a publicly logged irc channel :)
[17:38] <popey> he's only passed that url around via email AIUI
[17:39] <ikonia> popey: someone just posted it in #ubuntu saying he found it in google
[17:39] <ikonia> hence why I mentioned it here
[17:46] <popey> ah ok
[17:46] <popey> have let him know
[17:46] <ikonia> ta
[19:32] <guntbert> hi, if http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/locallanguage#hebrew-arabic is right, then the factoid !arabic should be changed
[19:46] <Pici> Its a bit weird to send all people who speak arabic to the channel for the Israeli team.
[19:47] <guntbert> Pici: I would agree, but either the mentioned page is wrong (which I cannot know) or the factoid
[19:48] <Pici> guntbert: I'll follow up with the loco council.
[19:48] <guntbert> Pici: ok, thx
[20:52] <topyli> i wonder what is the biggest arabic speaking loco
[22:33] <bazhang> tsimpson, is that a correct banmask?
[22:33] <tsimpson> bazhang: $a is an "extban"
[22:33] <tsimpson> $a:<nickserv_account> bans by account
[22:33] <bazhang> $a:oly562 tsimpson ah okay
[22:44] <oly562> i will say this once,, those of you who are picking on me, i do not respect you as linux users, ubuntu community, or humans in general. you are hurting the ubuntu code that i will not be referring any user i come in contact with to #ubuntu ever again. i used to say it was a good room, that is until i found out ops booted people for asking questions of which they could not answer.  no big, i usually find out the answers to my quest
[22:44] <oly562> time to do your job for you.....
[22:44] <oly562> your busted:
[22:44] <oly562> examples of biased ops:
[22:44] <oly562> ops picking on a helpless user from another country:
[22:44] <oly562> 1. http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/09/09/%23ubuntu-ops.txt
[22:45] <bazhang> oly562, hi
[22:45] <oly562> time to do your job for you.....
[22:45] <oly562> your busted:
[22:45] <oly562> examples of biased ops:
[22:45] <oly562> ops picking on a helpless user from another country:
[22:45] <oly562> 1. http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/09/09/%23ubuntu-ops.txt
[22:45] <oly562> my gawd, cant you see there is an english barrier?
[22:45] <oly562> Ikonia, and You
[22:45] <oly562> 1. http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/09/02/%23ubuntu-ops.txt conspiring...
[22:45] <oly562> 2. http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/09/02/%23ubuntu.txt watching me like a hawk, why? i know, ikonia spoke to you, also rww geting in the action towards me...
[22:45] <oly562> Idleone explicit language and claims to be a saint.
[22:45] <oly562> 1. http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/09/02/%23ubuntu-ops.txt
[22:47] <tsimpson> *sigh*
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[23:35] <marienz> I wish people wearing a project cloak would be more careful :(