[00:10] Pici, who the heck is this guy? [00:11] elky: I think hes the person who seriously suggested that everyone in #ubuntu-offtopic needed psychological help. [00:11] Not jokingly. === ossurayynot is now known as tonyyarusso [00:58] ikonia: are you ircing in your sleep? [00:59] no, waiting to go to bed [00:59] waiting for something to finish [00:59] almost done [01:00] how can someone have read the man page to know what options they don't want, but not read the one they do want [01:15] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (repeated abuse from commodore) [01:29] ikonia: anything founded by cjwatson is official, including that one. it's a dev channel [01:32] ikonia: actually, pretty much anything that follows #ubuntu-*, and is made by a core dev, is definitely official (offshoots from #ubuntu-devel) [01:32] if that helps at all [01:32] Hobbsee: That doesn't mean that the channel isn't defunct though. [01:33] or definitely wanted, and on-topic, anyway [01:33] Pici: that one tends to be, during the time when they're not actively debugging installers (ie, no alphas out at the moment) [02:56] * h00k forwards niko to #fix-your-connection === evilmqui1 is now known as evilmquin [10:00] not happy with petan advocating downloading binaries/libs from mozilla.org and dumping them over the top of the ubuntu packaged ones [10:05] ikonia: but it worked now. Never mind the fact in 2 weeks the user will be wondering why everything is bonkers! [10:08] annoying === nik0 is now known as niko [11:23] whats the policy on people just barking google at users? [11:24] popey: it's not good [11:24] !google [11:24] While Google is useful for helpers, many newer users don't have the google-fu yet. Please don't tell people to "google it" when they ask a question. [11:24] ahh, better than the !jfgi i used [11:24] thanks [11:42] is Josh__ just being totally random? or is that me [13:26] Does jdub still do Ubuntu stuff? [13:32] not seen him active in #ubuntu for a while, that doesn't mean no though [13:37] yes, he recently re-applied for ubuntu membership [13:37] i believe so his new blog could be syndicated on planet ubuntu [13:37] cool [13:38] don't think he actively 'contributes' (however you measure that) other than blogging / commenting / ranting on identi.ca [13:39] then how does that work ? [13:40] how does what work? [13:40] if he doesn't do anything (hard to measure) but gets membership [13:40] dunno if he got membership [13:40] i just know he asked [13:40] ah [13:40] given it had lapsed when he left the project [13:40] seems he does have it [13:40] https://launchpad.net/~jdub [13:40] I didnt know he'd left the project [13:41] depends how you define left [13:41] I suppose [13:41] he left canonical and at that point he kinda droped off the planet a bit [13:42] looks like he's back [13:42] http://ubuntuedge.wordpress.com/ is his new blog [13:44] interesting few posts I'm reading [13:53] ubuXubu is annoying me, he seems to think that having 18 dual boot computers in his basement is an excuse to say anything and make it fact [14:26] can i be unbanned in #ubuntu ? [14:34] ikonia, jussi: ? [14:34] aborticide: you asked to actually be banned though [14:34] aborticide: I have no idea why, but you kept joining this channel and asking to banned in #ubuntu [14:36] aborticide: hello [14:37] hi [14:37] i was away in another window [14:38] no problem [14:38] so what was all this business joining this channel and asking if you could be banned from #ubuntu about ? [14:38] will you help me with a virtualbox problem? [14:39] can't here, this one isn't a support channel [14:39] ikonia: i figured it's pointless to fool myself into rejoining every couple of days asking for support since i am muted [14:39] plus I'm jugging a few things at the moment [14:39] k [14:39] aborticide: why did you ask to be banned? [14:39] aborticide: at the time there was no ban/mute showing [14:39] hence the confusion at why you kept joining #ubuntu-ops asking to be banned [14:40] * aborticide wonders if jrib is trying to incite a conflict here [14:40] you also stated in other channels that you'd do something to get yourself banned that would be "cool" or "funny" [14:40] yes there was [14:40] aborticide: I'm not, I'm trying to understand why you are banned... [14:40] are you aware that i already asnwered that question? [14:40] i guess not, hehe [14:40] nope [14:40] well why not? [14:40] obviously you are capable of reading [14:41] ok, calm down a little, the reason this is hard to understand is we couldn't see a ban/mute for you before [14:41] hence why you asking to be banned didn't make sense [14:41] plus it's a little odd that you then suggested in another channel you'd do something to get yourself banned [14:41] who set a mute on you in #ubuntu and why ? [14:42] i don't remember, maybe it was you [14:42] (we really couldn't see anything at the time of your asking) [14:42] oh it was bahzhang [14:42] it wasn't me, [14:42] ok - why [14:42] don't know [14:42] he was being a baby [14:42] really ? [14:42] so if I look at the logs now, there will be no reason for him to have set a mute on you [14:42] is that what you're saying ? [14:42] sure, if it was reasonable i would have just parted ways, seeing as i know i have no chance of appealing it [14:43] obviously there will be a reason, but it was a baby reason [14:43] errr you can appeal/resolve it, that's what I'm trying to do now [14:43] aborticide: ok, please explain the reason you got banned (it's quicker than me going through the logs) [14:43] sorry - muted [14:43] i don't remember, really [14:43] but you know it was a baby reason ? [14:43] you're the one who is helping me with the kernel, so clearly i'm not trying to waste your time [14:44] it was a minor conflict [14:44] I don't think your wasting me time - I've had very reasonable conversations with you in other channels, hence trying to resolve/understand what's gone on [14:44] i think he intended it to be like a 2minute ban, he wanted me to apologize for it and i didn't [14:44] so he just left it like that [14:45] of course i could just lie and fake it [14:45] that's like the easiest solution [14:45] but while i'm at i might just start sucking up to freenode staff in hopes of becomming an admin myself [14:45] aborticide: can you hang on for a minute I'm just trying to find some info (as I said, at the time we couldn't see any) [14:45] okay [14:45] drop the attitude, it's not helping, I'm trying to be reasonable and helpful, being silly about it isn't helpful [14:46] almost there, I may have found someething [14:47] we don't have to be robotic about it, i've been giving you straight and precise answers [14:48] I know, I'm not doubting you, [14:48] you're accusing me of having an attitude, i don't think i have an attitude [14:49] aborticide: what was the rant about sucking up to freenode staff about ? [14:49] the only way i could have less of an attitude is if i stopped being a person and started being a robot [14:49] I don't need to hear that sort of stuff, I'm just being polite and trying to resolve your issue for you [14:49] it wasn't a rant, i meant it just as it was written; if i wanted immunity in a certain channel i could become friends with the mods and then eventually become a mod, just like how sauvin does in freenode and then he can abuse the rules any way he pleases and not give a damn about anything [14:49] from what I'm seeing from the logs you where bascially put on a mute (couldn't find it the first time) because of the random noise you where making in channel and a few smart moth comments [14:50] yes i guess robotic individuals can't see the truth in something i saw unless its ultra technical [14:50] aborticide: how is any of that relevant to your situation ? I just want to help you get this resolved ASAP, making comments like that are uncalled for and don't help [14:50] i was using it to explain to you what my options are, since you asked me why [14:51] i didn't intend to beging ranting about it [14:51] just sayin', you know? [14:51] aborticide: ok, well, try not to, please, its that sort of thing that appears to have got you muted [14:51] if i start lieing about being sorry, in order to save time, then i might as well start trying to get immunity [14:51] aborticide: I'm just going to ask for a few simple things and I'll remove the ban if your comfortablw tiht hem, is that ok ? [14:51] i mean if i had said sorry to him, this problem wouldn't have gone on for like 5-6 days [14:51] sorry - bad typing, [14:52] if your comfortable with what I'll ask you to do [14:52] is that ok ? [14:52] he just wanted me to apologize to him but i said no way! [14:52] comfortable with what? you haven't said it yet [14:52] aborticide: stop, calm down and read what I'm typing to you [14:52] you said you are going to ask me for a few simple things, but they have not been said yet [14:53] aborticide: firstly, #ubuntu is a busy channel, the smart comments/clever jokes aren't needed, just try to stay with the topic of supporting Ubuntu, is that ok for a starter ? [14:53] i don't know, it depends on the situation, often a smart cocky comment can be a supernova of truth [14:53] i keep it balanced though [14:53] equal proportions of technical data so people dont' get distracted [14:53] then we can't continue [14:53] I need you to not do it [14:53] please. [14:53] some people have compulsive obsessive disorder when they jump on my ass [14:54] it's like if i started banning people because they don't capitalize their dots and the first letter of each sentence [14:54] aborticide: no-one will jump on you if you keep to the support topic without the smart comments/jokes ? [14:54] aborticide: is that do-able ? [14:54] of if i start banning people because they can't ask super precise questions [14:54] or* [14:54] aborticide: stop [14:54] i wasn't being unreasonable [14:54] okay lets try something new: show me where i was being unreasonable [14:54] aborticide: just answer with yes or no - that's all [14:54] aborticide: no-one will jump on you if you keep to the support topic without the smart comments/jokes ? [14:54] aborticide: is that do-able ? [14:54] i don't even know what jokes i made [14:55] i rarely even make jokes [14:55] just ask xahlee, he thinks i'm a total nutcase, and he's a nutcase shut-in already [14:55] aborticide: eg: when the person who couldn't speak English joined the channel and started speaking you commented "thats fasinacting, please tell me more" [14:55] ah that's because he kept doing it after he was told 6 times, i thought the moderates were joking around with him, so naturally followed their tone [14:56] is that really grounds to mute me on? [14:56] aborticide: he wasn't told at all, yours was the first line [14:56] cmon now [14:56] aborticide: I'm using it as an example only [14:56] i'm pretty sure he was told, can i see? [14:56] aborticide: the logs are public [14:56] i remember telling bazhang that it was told [14:56] i don't know where to find the logs, i'm not a regular, can you tell me please? [14:56] my statement wasn't a predatory statement out of the blue [14:56] that's how i remember it [14:57] well - it was [14:57] that's also why i did it, because if it was out of the blue i know i'd get the sword right away [14:57] the user said hello [14:57] it was out of the blue [14:57] i remember copying/pasting the previous times he was told when we were in ubuntu-ops even! [14:57] the user then spoke in a non-english language [14:57] you then made your comment [14:57] this is all new-news to me, can i see the logs pls? [14:57] aborticide: I'm not debating it, I'm stating what happened [14:57] !logs [14:57] Official channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - For LoCo channels, http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/ [14:58] does that have logs from ubuntu-ops too? [14:58] what are LoCo channels? [14:58] http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/10/30/%23ubuntu.html [14:58] there is the log [14:58] search for "froncy" [14:59] it seems it does, but i'm not sure what day it was on [14:59] aborticide: loco are local ubuntu groups [14:59] what day was the mute on? [14:59] aborticide: I've just given you the link to the exact day [14:59] oh [14:59] http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/10/30/%23ubuntu.html [14:59] i swear it redirected me to the index page [14:59] probably a typo [14:59] let me investigate what happened [15:00] its weird because i usually copy/paste stuff [15:00] whatever [15:00] just search for froncy - this is just an example [15:01] first, observe that bazhang was picking a fight with me all along: [15:01] aborticide zteam: don't try debugging ubuntu, just reinstall it is faster 10:10 [15:01] sunit yes 10:10 [15:01] bazhang aborticide, not helpful [15:01] bazhang: reinstalling alsa is quick and painless [15:01] aborticide: stop, I'm not going through the log line by line [15:01] aborticide: I'm agreeing to remove the ban if you can agree to the terms [15:01] you asked for an example, I've giving you one [15:02] okay i guess we can agree in a totally non-predictable weay [15:02] aborticide: based on the example I've given you, can you please keep the smart comments/joke efforts out of the support channel ? [15:02] see if i was medidating this behavior then i would be able to say , okay it will never ever happen again, but seeing as i just followed my logic common sense, this is an entire character attitude adjustment [15:02] aborticide: I can't be bothered any more, I'm really trying and you're just constantly arguing it [15:02] aborticide: I'm not removing the ban, [15:02] okay [15:03] aborticide: please come back another day when you can listen and resolve this [15:03] can you ban me from here too? i don't want to fall into this trap again [15:03] aborticide: no problem [15:03] aborticide: if you part the channel I'll see if I can get that done [15:04] oh that's weird, why do i have to part it? [15:04] aborticide: because I can't do it this second, so if you part, I'll request it be done [15:04] ah then i should make sure myself that this is guaranteed [15:04] ... [15:04] if you feel you must [15:05] well sure [15:05] fuck shit ass bitch cunt [15:05] fuck shit ass bitch cunt [15:05] fuck shit ass bitch cunt [15:05] fuck shit ass bitch cunt [15:05] fuck shit ass bitch cunt [15:05] aborticide: you should part this channel anyway, since you aren't here to resolve any issue [15:05] fuck shit ass bitch cunt [15:05] fuck shit ass bitch cunt [15:05] !ops [15:05] Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Tm_T, tritium, elky, Nalioth, tonyyarusso, imbrandon, PriceChild, Madpilot, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, tsimpson, gnomefreak, jussi, topyli, or nhandler! [15:05] jrib called the ops in #ubuntu-ops () [15:05] pointless and dissapointing, I've had some really interesting conversations with him in other channels [15:05] * Pici blinks [17:32] http://www.mikesplanet.net/forums/ [17:32] worth noting [17:34] and not spreading about [17:34] his server is getting a royal beating [17:34] you know thats Mike Basingers server where he's testing out the new theme? [17:35] no, I didn't know that [17:35] maybe he should setup some restrictions on it so it doesn't get spidered by google [17:38] well.. it wasn't spidered by google until it was mentioned in a publicly logged irc channel :) [17:38] he's only passed that url around via email AIUI [17:39] popey: someone just posted it in #ubuntu saying he found it in google [17:39] hence why I mentioned it here [17:46] ah ok [17:46] have let him know [17:46] ta === KB1JWQ_ is now known as KB1JWQ [19:32] hi, if http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/locallanguage#hebrew-arabic is right, then the factoid !arabic should be changed [19:46] Its a bit weird to send all people who speak arabic to the channel for the Israeli team. [19:47] Pici: I would agree, but either the mentioned page is wrong (which I cannot know) or the factoid [19:48] guntbert: I'll follow up with the loco council. [19:48] Pici: ok, thx [20:52] xangua called the ops in #ubuntu (Djokera) [20:52] i wonder what is the biggest arabic speaking loco [22:33] tsimpson, is that a correct banmask? [22:33] bazhang: $a is an "extban" [22:33] $a: bans by account [22:33] $a:oly562 tsimpson ah okay [22:44] i will say this once,, those of you who are picking on me, i do not respect you as linux users, ubuntu community, or humans in general. you are hurting the ubuntu code that i will not be referring any user i come in contact with to #ubuntu ever again. i used to say it was a good room, that is until i found out ops booted people for asking questions of which they could not answer. no big, i usually find out the answers to my quest [22:44] time to do your job for you..... [22:44] your busted: [22:44] examples of biased ops: [22:44] ops picking on a helpless user from another country: [22:44] 1. http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/09/09/%23ubuntu-ops.txt [22:45] oly562, hi [22:45] time to do your job for you..... [22:45] your busted: [22:45] examples of biased ops: [22:45] ops picking on a helpless user from another country: [22:45] 1. http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/09/09/%23ubuntu-ops.txt [22:45] my gawd, cant you see there is an english barrier? [22:45] Ikonia, and You [22:45] 1. http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/09/02/%23ubuntu-ops.txt conspiring... [22:45] 2. http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/09/02/%23ubuntu.txt watching me like a hawk, why? i know, ikonia spoke to you, also rww geting in the action towards me... [22:45] Idleone explicit language and claims to be a saint. [22:45] 1. http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/09/02/%23ubuntu-ops.txt [22:47] *sigh* [23:31] <[daemon]> linxeh: yes - use openSUSE * [[daemon]] (~mmichna@opensuse/member/mmichna): Marco Michna [23:35] I wish people wearing a project cloak would be more careful :(