[01:45] <ndroftheline> can somebody direct me to some kind of how-to guide for setting up a website served from home using a standard consumer Belkin router?
[01:46] <ndroftheline> i thought i had everything all set but i just simply can't get my webpage served to an external IP
[01:46] <ndroftheline> i have port 80 forwarded through my router, i have apache2 listening on the port, i checked with my ISP to make sure they're not blocking it
[01:46] <jetole> join #mplayer
[01:46] <ndroftheline>  it just...isn't working.
[01:46] <twb> 1) rent a VPS for a few dollars a month; 2) put your website on it; 3) throw the standard consumer Belkin router away.
[01:47] <ndroftheline> well it' snot just about a website. i want to run a murmur server on it too
[01:47] <ndroftheline> besides, i want to learn
[01:47] <ndroftheline> !mplayer
[01:47] <ndroftheline> ...a media player?
[01:47] <ndroftheline> jetole: why mplayer?
[01:47] <twb> ndroftheline: he forgot the
[01:51] <qman__> ndroftheline, assuming you're talking to us over the intended connection, your port 80 is open
[01:52] <qman__> browsing to it asks for a user and password
[01:52] <twb> qman__: but his router is what's responding
[01:52] <twb> Server: Ubicom/1.1
[01:52] <qman__> ah
[01:52] <qman__> so you'd have to disable that function in the router
[01:52] <twb> I hate trying to configure those pissant consumer routers.
[01:53] <qman__> yeah, most of them are absolute junk
[01:53] <qman__> it's why I use ubuntu for mine
[02:34] <jetole> ndroftheline: I was changing rooms cause I wanted to ask about how to make mplayer and gnome-screensaver play nice with each other
[02:34] <jetole> ndroftheline: thought it's offtopic, the correct answer is heartbeat-cmd="dbus-send --session --dest=org.gnome.ScreenSaver --type=method_call /org/gnome/ScreenSaver org.gnome.ScreenSaver.SimulateUserActivity" in your config file
[02:37] <twb> jetole: I'm curious; config file for what package?
[02:58] <hansin> ndroftheline: Maybe see if you can set your router so it only accepts admin logins "within" the network, not from the outside.
[02:59] <twb> That would definitely be a good idea
[03:00] <hansin> Actually, that is a good idea anyway for security reasons.
[03:01] <hansin> But it then might also properly allow the forwarding of port 80 to your sever running Apache vs. exposing its own internal webserver that handles the admin stuff.
[04:00] <yitz_> We got this setup with ~130 servers that we'd like to keep all pretty much in sync and identical and whatnot. Does anyone know of some cluster management tools that
[04:00] <yitz_> We got this setup with ~130 servers that we'd like to keep all pretty much in sync and identical and whatnot. Does anyone know of some cluster management tools that'd help manage them?
[04:19] <tonyyarusso> yitz_: puppet
[04:20] <yitz_> Will look into that. Thanks
[04:20] <twb> Puppet/chef/cfengine are more targeted towards HETEROGENEOUS environments, but you could certainly use them for a cluster.
[04:21] <yitz_> So long as it's simple to use and not awkward, overkill isn't a bad thing
[04:22] <yitz_> We'd probably mostly be using it to run random commands and apt-stuffs
[04:22] <twb> For a homogeneous cluster I'd almost be tempted to netboot the nodes, copying the OS to RAM at boot and using the local disks for swap and /var/tmp only
[04:22] <twb> yitz_: puppet works by you defining the end goal (e.g. "ensure sshd is installed"), and it working out what commands to issue (e.g. "apt-get install openssh-server").
[06:18] <nat_home> when you change a hd in a software raid1, what are you supposed to do after ? go through fdisk to partition it or mdadm has a command to do the entire process … mdadm --add just want a parition …
[06:21] <terinjokes> this is, uhm, interesting
[06:21] <terinjokes> i'm trying to modprobe ipv6, and I've found I have no /lib/modules directory
[06:23] <twb> terinjokes: your kernel might be compiled without module support.
[06:24] <twb> I heard a rumour that RHEL do that to prevent you from loading unsupported modules into their kernel without consciously voiding of their support contract.
[06:24] <terinjokes> twb: possible
[06:24] <terinjokes> twb: except i'm running ubuntu server and not RHEL
[06:24] <twb> Oh, sorry, I thought this was #netfilter
[06:25] <terinjokes> (i got out of DLL HELL, no need to go to another ;) )
[06:25] <twb> terinjokes: it's actually worse on unix than on windows, which is why there are "distros" to shield you from it.
[06:26] <twb> Try installing, say, Oracle Hyperion on SLES and you'll run into in about ten seconds.
[06:26] <terinjokes> been doing this linux thing for too many years now
[06:26] <twb> *into it in
[06:26] <terinjokes> so i'm well aware
[06:26] <terinjokes> (much of that time was with PowerPC boxes, what fun!)
[06:34] <eagles0513875|2> hey guys with out an app armour policy for dove cot is it possible dovecot can give me problems?
[06:37] <terinjokes> twb: you know what I can do
[06:38] <eagles0513875|2> hey guys im using squirrelmail to access my email server
[06:38] <eagles0513875|2> and i get this erro ERROR: Could not complete request.
[06:38] <eagles0513875|2> Query: SELECT "INBOX"
[06:38] <eagles0513875|2> Reason Given: [SERVERBUG] Internal error occurred. Refer to server log for more information. [2010-11-12 07:35:12]
[06:39] <eagles0513875|2> i have checked the mail.err and it says its a permission issue
[06:39] <eagles0513875|2> but my permissions have been checked and rechecked
[06:39] <eagles0513875|2> and they are correct
[06:39] <eagles0513875|2> app armor is enabled but i dont have a policy for dovecot setup at all
[06:39] <eagles0513875|2> could that be causing squirrelmail to return that error
[06:39] <eagles0513875|2> andn the permissions error in the log?
[06:41] <noaXess> good morning
[06:42] <eagles0513875|2> hey noaXess
[06:42] <eagles0513875|2> :-(
[06:42] <eagles0513875|2> kinda frustrated this am noaXess hows you
[06:42] <noaXess> have a raid5 with 6T.. first partition has 2T.. now i want additional 2 partitions with each 2T.. if i create the second partition, i use fdsik and set the pertition size to +2000G
[06:42] <noaXess> eagles0513875|2: why?
[06:42] <noaXess> here is all fine..
[06:43] <eagles0513875|2> ERROR: Could not complete request.
[06:43] <eagles0513875|2> Query: SELECT "INBOX"
[06:43] <eagles0513875|2> Reason Given: [SERVERBUG] Internal error occurred. Refer to server log for more information. [2010-11-12 07:35:12]
[06:43] <noaXess> just a little understanding problem
[06:43] <eagles0513875|2> thats why
[06:43] <eagles0513875|2> i checked the logs its saying permissions is the problem but i have permissions setup right
[06:43] <noaXess> i see.. read
[06:43] <eagles0513875|2> i dunno only thing i can think of is i would need to setup an apparmor profile for dovecot?
[06:44] <noaXess> puh.. it seams that an db access problem is there? not fs perms..
[06:44] <noaXess> eagles0513875|2: what is in the server log?
[06:44] <eagles0513875|2> i dont have anything setup to access a db though
[06:44] <noaXess> show us ther error log...
[06:45] <eagles0513875|2> im using the passwd and the shadow file
[06:45] <eagles0513875|2> Nov 12 07:35:13 eagle dovecot: IMAP(jonathan): mkdir(/home/jonathan/Maildir/.INBOX.Sent/cur) failed: Permission denied (euid=1000(jonathan) egid=1000(jonathan) missing +w perm: /home/jonathan
[06:45] <eagles0513875|2> thats whats in the log
[06:46] <noaXess> show us a listing of /home/
[06:46] <noaXess> pastebin..
[06:46] <jmarsden> I think the output of    ls -ld /home/jonathan    would be quicker :)
[06:46] <noaXess> ok :)
[06:46] <eagles0513875|2> drwx------ 6 jonathan jonathan 4096 2010-11-11 17:22 /home/jonathan/
[06:47] <noaXess> eagles0513875|2: just user has rwx.. maybe group needed too?
[06:47] <eagles0513875|2> tried the group
[06:47] <eagles0513875|2> as well
[06:47] <eagles0513875|2> still same issue
[06:48] <noaXess> to my partition understanding.. 6T raid5.. first partition 2T.. now i want aditional 2 partition, each 2T... with fdisk the second part i create with +2000G.. but the third the shoul also be ~2T.. but it isn't..
[06:49] <noaXess> eagles0513875|2: so you tried to chmod -R +w /heom/jonathan?
[06:49] <eagles0513875|2> noaXess: yep
[06:49] <noaXess> .. /home^
[06:49] <noaXess> ok..
[06:49] <noaXess> and restarted services?
[06:49] <eagles0513875|2> yes
[06:49] <noaXess> ok...
[06:49] <eagles0513875|2> if i restarted them as is
[06:49] <eagles0513875|2> atm
[06:49] <eagles0513875|2> i dont get that error with squirrelmail
[06:50] <eagles0513875|2> i can login see emails recieve and send just fine
[06:52] <eagles0513875|2> thats odd
[06:52] <eagles0513875|2> i refreshed twice
[06:52] <noaXess> have you already googled?.. think so ;).. http://www.google.ch/#hl=de&expIds=17259,17311,17315,23628,23756,24878,26637,26711,26761,26788,26849,26869,27130,27400,27404,27520,27545&xhr=t&q=dovecot+imap+permission+denied+%2Bw+perm&cp=38&pf=p&sclient=psy&newwindow=1&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=dovecot+imap+permission+denied+%2Bw+perm&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=96c4277166fb2c44
[06:52] <eagles0513875|2> O_o
[06:52] <noaXess> don't know exaclty dovecot.. but others had same problem..
[06:52] <noaXess> maybe. shared mailboxes or wath ever..
[06:58] <eagles0513875|2> noaXess: im the only one with an email account on the server
[06:58] <noaXess> hm..
[06:58] <eagles0513875|2> and im using user accounts that have username and password on the system
[07:01] <eagles0513875|2> noaXess: any idea?
[07:02] <eagles0513875|2> noaXess: im tempted to setup roundcube to see if i have the same issue
[07:15] <eagles0513875|2> hey guys any app armour experts here
[07:27] <eagles0513875|2> !cacti
[07:32] <nat_home> I'm just changed a hard drive on a raid 1 and now after I rebooted, grub doesn't seem to work anymore, it says at GRUB _ in the boot
[07:36] <eagles0513875|2> nat_home: i believe you would need to rebuild the array first i coudl be wrong
[07:42] <databits> I'm doing some trouble shooting with my router, and have taken a look at my log files on the router.  I'm receiving a ton of incomming traffic in on port 33089.  I have ran a net stat on all the machines which are on the network, and have not been able to find any machines listening on this port.  Does anyone have any idea's ?
[07:42] <eagles0513875|2> databits: are the packets udp or tcp packets
[07:44] <databits> not sure
[07:45] <databits> it is a simple log... just gives ip, and port.  At first I was thinking it was torrent traffic, but I ran a netstat on all my machines... nothing is going on .
[07:45] <databits> alot I mean alot of traffic.
[07:45] <eagles0513875|2> databits: should give if its udp or tcp
[07:45] <databits> that used to be one of the ports I used for my torrent traffic but I do not have any clients running and I checked all the connections
[07:45] <eagles0513875|2> what ports do you have forwarded on ur router?
[07:46] <databits> not that port
[07:46] <eagles0513875|2> i have seen what you are experiencing before
[07:46] <eagles0513875|2> but turns out it was a udp packet flood
[07:46] <twb> eagles0513875|2: please stop changing your nick, it makes it harder to ignore you.
[07:46] <eagles0513875|2> :(
[07:46] <eagles0513875|2> twb: why do you want to ignore me
[07:47] <databits> my network performance is crapy, I'm chating with cisco people now.  Seeing about getting a new router shipped to me.
[07:47] <eagles0513875|2> twb: secondly i leave my desktop pc on and im on from school
[07:47] <twb> eagles0513875|2: because you're a noisy fool.
[07:47] <eagles0513875|2> databits: try disabling any udp ports that you might have forwarded
[07:47] <eagles0513875|2> twb: :(
[07:48] <databits> I do not have any udp ports forwarded.  I have nothing forwarded except a few ports to my linux server
[07:49] <databits> this is weird
[07:49] <databits> hold on brb I have to grab my serial off my router, so I can get a new model :)
[07:49] <eagles0513875|2> thats the only thing i can think of causing the traffic
[07:54] <twb> I've inherited a Chenbro 3-to-5 hotswap backplane (http://www.chenbro.com/corporatesite/products_accessory_detail.php?serno=727&PHPSESSID=4d6d1129)
[07:54] <twb> It includes a five-pin "HDD activity and failure cable"
[07:55] <twb> How do I work out where (if anywhere) that connects to the motherboard?
[07:55] <twb> (I'm using md raid; there's no hardware raid card.)
[08:00] <reeniginEesreveR> how can i know the details of memory consumption on my server?
[08:01] <twb> reeniginEesreveR: free, ps
[08:01] <reeniginEesreveR> twb, also i'd like to see swap information, and see which process is thrashing more etc.
[08:01]  * reeniginEesreveR has to admit that he's a n00b
[08:03] <twb> reeniginEesreveR: those commands also emit swap information.
[08:04] <reeniginEesreveR> right
[08:04] <twb> reeniginEesreveR: you may also find top(1) useful
[08:04] <databits> this port 33089 mumbo jumbo is stumpin me.  None of my machines, have any active connections on that port.  On top of everything else I do not have that port forwarded in the router, so that traffic should not be passing threw either way.
[08:04] <twb> It provides a straightforward, sortable, refreshing UI
[08:05] <databits> what would be the correct command to check my linux server to see if something is going on with my server
[08:05] <twb> databits: perhaps that is a randomly allocated port for one of your existing services, or clients.
[08:05] <twb> databits: e.g. NFS
[08:06] <twb> Ah, you checked netstat already.  I presume you ran it with -a (all connection types)?
[08:06] <databits> I'm sorry I'm not following
[08:06] <databits> yes sir
[08:06] <twb> Then I don't know.  Run tshark / tcpdump and examine the traffic to try to work out what it is.
[08:32]  * eagles0513875|2 pokes RoyK with a stick
[08:33]  * RoyK grabs the stick and whips eagles0513875|2's arse
[08:33] <eagles0513875|2> lol morning
[08:33] <RoyK> morning
[08:40] <binBASH> eagles0513875|2: you have to get up earlier to trick RoyK :D
[08:40] <eagles0513875|2> loool what time zone he in
[08:43] <binBASH> according to his hostname it should be 9:45am at his place :D
[08:43] <eagles0513875|2> lol then CET like me
[08:43] <binBASH> yup
[08:45] <binBASH> I'm also in Europe Berlin timezone ;)
[08:53] <terin-webchat> i'm running ubuntu-server as a guest in xen, any idea on if I should install one of those linux virtual packages?
[09:20] <slooksterpsv> Can someone assist me with ldap on ubuntu 10.04?
[09:21] <RoyK> slooksterpsv: ask a specific question, please
[09:21] <yann2> retransmit_or_expire_response_records: Failed to resend packet id 20905 to IP 10.0.255.255 on subnet 10.0.10.76 < from nmbd... interesting isnt it :(
[09:22] <slooksterpsv> I did a fresh install of Ubuntu Server 10.04, and started immediately after install on this guide to get OpenLDAP installed and working: https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/openldap-server.html - the problem is I get down to sudo ldapadd -x -D cn=admin,dc=example,dc=com -W -f frontend.example.com.ldif  and I get invalid credentials, I've tried 6 different guides all give the same invalid credentials
[09:23] <slooksterpsv> I've tried using the slapd password, root password, tried setting the password in slapd.conf nothing is working, I'm getting very frustrated, and looking more into another distro for servers
[09:31] <slooksterpsv> of course
[12:47] <Myx0x3> why does my Ubuntu server loose the static IP and change to a dynamic?
[12:47] <twb> Myx0x3: because you installed from the desktop CD, so you have NetworkManager installed, and it is designed to break networking.
[12:49] <Myx0x3> twb: i installed from the ubuntu server cd
[12:50] <twb> Myx0x3: is NM installed?
[12:50] <Myx0x3> NM?
[12:50] <mgolisch> how did you configure the static ip?
[12:50] <mgolisch> using the interfaces file?
[12:50] <twb> Myx0x3: dpkg -l network-manager
[12:50] <Myx0x3> mgolisch: in interfaces
[12:51] <Myx0x3> i changed eth0 to static.. and its corrected setup
[12:51] <Myx0x3> twb: i dont have any grafical interface
[12:51] <mgolisch> nm should never touch any unterfaces configured via the interfaces file
[12:51] <twb> Myx0x3: network-manager is a daemon.
[12:51] <mgolisch> it does not on my desktop atleast
[12:52] <twb> mgolisch: granted; it has just stung me so many times that I always make damn sure it's gone before I try anything else
[12:52] <Myx0x3> twb: aha, but the static ip works for like 1 day, then i have to restart the network deamon
[12:52] <twb> Myx0x3: there should not BE a network ademon
[12:52] <Myx0x3> hmm
[12:52] <twb> That is why I want to make sure that the "network-manager" package is not installed.
[12:53] <Myx0x3> init.d/networking ?
[12:53] <twb> dpkg -l network-manager should list its state as "un".
[12:53] <twb> Myx0x3: that's an init script, but it doesn't start a daemon.
[12:53] <Myx0x3> twb: aha, but i have never installed NM, i installed my servers for 2 days ago
[12:54] <Myx0x3> and before it had no problems whit this..
[12:54] <mgolisch> what other software did you install?
[12:54] <twb> Myx0x3: so you can confirm that its state it "un" according to dpkg -l?
[12:55] <Myx0x3> mgolisch, SMB and OpenSSH
[12:57] <Myx0x3> twb: network manager is not in the list
[12:57] <twb> Myx0x3: OK, pastebin the content of /etc/network/interfaces.
[12:59] <Myx0x3> twb: http://pastebin.com/vh0giVCZ
[12:59] <twb> "auto eth0iface eth0 inet static" is wrong; there should be a newline after the first "eth0"
[12:59] <Myx0x3> and its correct! all my ipadresses starts at 192.168.2.20
[12:59] <twb> Other than that, it's fine.
[13:00] <Myx0x3> yes your right.. changed it now
[13:01] <Myx0x3> seems like pastebin change it
[13:01] <Myx0x3> there is an new line whit iface eth0..
[13:02] <twb> Then I guess you need to look at what else is around that's running as root
[13:02] <Myx0x3> yeah.. maybe its my Minecraft server.. but could it realy fuck up my IP adress?
[13:03] <Myx0x3> im running it as sudo, otherwise it whine about permissons
[13:03] <twb> I don't know.  Unless minecraft is part of Ubuntu, I can't support it.  You need to talk to your vendor.
[13:05] <Myx0x3> twb: Minecart is an game, hehe.. but ill look and try to see what makes the problem! could maybe be the router.. how do i look the logs who could possible log what happens whit the IP?
[13:05] <Myx0x3> im pretty new at linux and dont look at the logs pretty often
[13:06] <twb> It's possible there's something in your logs.
[13:06] <twb> They'll be in /var/log; try sorting the directory by mtime and looking at the newest files
[13:06] <Myx0x3> twb: witch log? there is like tons of them
[13:06] <Myx0x3> okay..
[13:07] <twb> I love molly-guard
[13:08] <Myx0x3> is it possible to run a bash script whit "sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart" every 6h?
[13:08] <Myx0x3> that would solve the problem, but its pretty lame solution
[13:10] <twb> Myx0x3: the scheduling system is called "cron".
[13:10] <twb> Myx0x3: read the crontab manpage, then "crontab -e" or /etc/crontab or /etc/cron.hourly.
[13:11] <twb> But as you say, that would be REALLY lame
[13:19] <d-fens_> hi, how can i manage which services are started ?
[13:20] <d-fens_> like enable  mysqld on startup
[13:20] <d-fens_> like rc-status add mysql default in gentoo
[13:21] <d-fens_> its 10.04
[13:24] <twb> The only way I know (for upstart-managed jobs) is to go into /etc/init/foo.conf and edit it
[13:24] <twb> For sysvinit jobs (i.e. just about everything in universe), you can simply say "update-rc.d foo disable".
[13:24] <d-fens_> k thanks i'll try that
[13:24] <twb> ALL services should start on boot by default.
[13:45] <hdon> hi all :) anyone know where to find mock data for common database tables like user accounts and such? i would like more data available while i'm developing my applications :)
[13:50] <mathiaz> hdon: you may wanna look at the MySQL test database (such as the World database)
[13:50] <hdon> mathiaz, i shall google that, thanks :)
[13:52] <hdon> spooky :)
[14:03] <TeTeT> hggdh: the scheduler is starting, stopping instances since over a week now, seems to work. I can reach the webservers and the file I've uploaded there just fine
[14:28] <hallyn> smoser: kirkland: so in the uds session on cloud desktop, did anyone ever bring up doing it with a webos (like eyeOS) instead of a vnc connection to classic desktop?  just curious...
[14:30] <smoser> hallyn, no
[14:31] <hallyn> ok, thx
[14:32] <hallyn> (seems like that would also forego the worry about proprietary clients on windows)
[14:48] <jdstrand> hallyn: hey. did you see that powerpc and armel ftbfs?
[14:48] <jdstrand> hallyn: (on libvirt)
[14:49] <jdstrand> hallyn: I also wanted to mention this thread: http://www.mail-archive.com/libvir-list@redhat.com/msg29384.html where people are talking about other ftbfs (with patches) that you may want to add patches for for people using xen
[14:50] <hallyn> jdstrand: yeah, i got emails on em
[14:50] <jdstrand> hallyn: my patch to fix bug #672943 was accepted upstream, so I am going to add it to the packaging branch, but not upload
[14:51] <jdstrand> hallyn: ok cool
[14:51] <hallyn> what is a packaging branch?
[14:51] <jdstrand> hallyn: I figure I wouldn't upload as it is such a small change and thought you might be working on libvirt more
[14:51] <hallyn> i see, did xen cause this?  i've been looking at the code and the failure made no sense to me :)
[14:51] <jdstrand> hallyn: the one you merged with
[14:52] <jdstrand> hallyn: with only the briefest of glances, our ftbfs are not the same as the ones reported upstream
[14:52] <hallyn> don't suppose we have access to any powerpc?
[14:52] <jdstrand> hallyn: there is the porting box
[14:53] <hallyn> jdstrand: alas i need to work on somethign else today, so apart from looking during idle time at the source, i was going to look at it seriously on monday
[14:54] <jdstrand> hallyn: sure. I just wanted to make sure you knew about it
[14:54] <hallyn> thanks.  like i say, so far i'm stumped
[14:54] <hallyn> so i'll read thorugh the xen thread anyway
[14:54] <jdstrand> hallyn: I'll commit my patch to the branch with UNRELEASED as the distribution name and then you can have at it at your convenience
[14:56] <RoAkSoAx> mathiaz: are you still gonna look into package Zenoss?
[14:56] <mathiaz> RoAkSoAx: not in my natty plan for now
[14:57] <RoAkSoAx> mathiaz: ok thanks. Just in case you wanna get in touch with them, you should try contacting npmccallum
[14:57] <mathiaz> RoAkSoAx: cool - thanks for following up
[14:58] <jdstrand> ugh, the libvirt branched is totally hosed
[14:58] <jdstrand> s/branched/branch/
[14:58] <hallyn> jdstrand: ?
[14:59] <jdstrand> I did all the quilt push ; bzr add stuff, but now I did 'bzr update' and there are a gazillion conflicts
[14:59] <jdstrand> udd ftl
[15:00] <hallyn> but seriously,
[15:00] <hallyn> i thought recent udd discussions suggested dropping .pc
[15:00] <hallyn> i think mandating that you quilt pop -a before bzr ci makes sense
[15:00] <jdstrand> hallyn: I would totally agree
[15:00] <jdstrand> *totally*
[15:01] <jdstrand> hallyn: but we all need to be on the same page. last I heard (from soren, who is driving udd with libvirt) is we want .pc
[15:01] <poolvibe> Can I get some help with samba permissions please.  I have a share I want to force 775 664 on.  An example of create mode and directory mode would make my day
[15:02] <poolvibe> not sure if i should use force?
[15:02] <jdstrand> hallyn, soren: I really don't care what we do. frankly, I would be happy with just debian/ in a bzr branch like what the desktop team does
[15:02] <jdstrand> hallyn, soren: I just don't have time to be fighting udd at every turn
[15:03] <hallyn> jdstrand: the problem with just debian is that we need to do something about gnulib
[15:03] <hallyn> that's what keeps ruining my libvirt daily-build plans :)
[15:04] <hallyn> jdstrand: do you want to just mail me the patch you wanted to add?
[15:04] <jdstrand> hallyn: from a packaging perspective, I don't see why that would be the case as we use the upstream tarballs
[15:04] <jdstrand> hallyn: it is in the bug
[15:04] <hallyn> there's a bug?
[15:05] <hallyn> jdstrand: oh, that one
[15:05] <jdstrand> yes :)
[15:05] <jdstrand> 08:50 < jdstrand> hallyn: my patch to fix bug #672943 was accepted upstream, so  I am going to add it to the packaging branch, but not upload
[15:05] <hallyn> ok, thanks.
[15:06] <jdstrand> hallyn: can you explain your gnulib point? it should be frozen in the tarball and lp:ubuntu/libvirt
[15:08] <hallyn> jdstrand: ok, then i guess it doesn't matter.  my daily-builds are based on git, and there it is NOT in the tree
[15:08] <jdstrand> hallyn: right
[15:08] <hallyn> and the 'git submodule update' is so built into the bootstrap process that without the .git/ contents, you can't bootstrap
[15:09]  * jdstrand nods
[15:09] <jdstrand> you totally need to do all that with the daily git build, but not in the Ubuntu package
[15:09] <jdstrand> so whether we have debian/ alone or part of everything, it shouldn't matter
[15:10] <hallyn> so...  i'm fine with that...
[15:10] <jdstrand> hallyn: maybe it is as you said, the udd stuff has changed recently and we are doing it wrong. you, me and soren need to sort out the way that will work consistently...
[15:11] <hallyn> yes, and including .pc does not work easily consistently with bzr,
[15:11] <jdstrand> I have no opinions as I just want it to work, and *every* time I've tried udd with libvirt it blows apart
[15:11] <hallyn> especially bc if you refresh a patch, bzr just wants to delete the .pc/*, but not re-add it
[15:12] <hallyn> mathiaz: do you remember the recent email regarding .pc in udd?  (seems up your alley)  i thought there was an actual 'official' new stance on it
[15:12] <jdstrand> at this point I am just 'bzr co lp:ubuntu/libvirt' after each time. I may as well ignore lp:ubuntu/libvirt at this point
[15:14] <hallyn> jdstrand: and, we just look at the version # in debian/changelog to determine the tarball to use?
[15:14] <hallyn> (if we just put debian/ into VCS)
[15:14] <jdstrand> hallyn: yes
[15:15] <kirkland> hallyn: hmm, how do you mean?  webos like?
[15:15] <jdstrand> hallyn: the work flow is more 'apt-get source foo', make changes, upload and commit those changes back to bzr
[15:16] <hallyn> kirkland: like http://eyeos.org/.  Then the user uses his browser to opent eh desktop, can use a browser in any OS, and can detach/re-attach just like with vnc
[15:16] <jdstrand> hallyn: any time you grab the source, you need to look at the tree to make sure there aren't any unreleased changes
[15:16] <jdstrand> hallyn: I'm ok with udd if it will actually work. if it doesn't, I suggest debian/
[15:17] <kirkland> hallyn: hmm, well, that's sort of what we're going for with a java based nx client
[15:17] <kirkland> hallyn: i'll look at eyeos now though
[15:17] <hallyn> jdstrand: it completely avoid us having to beg ppl to quilt push -a, so yeah...
[15:17] <jdstrand> and quilt pop -a...
[15:17] <hallyn> kirkland: a webos just seemed better suited for this environment
[15:18] <hallyn> but, i coudl see ppl wanting the standard ubuntu desktop, so maybe it wouldn't be good enough
[15:19] <mathiaz> hallyn: hm - I don't remember the official stance on .pc/
[15:19] <mathiaz> hallyn: I'd suggest to ask barry or james_w in #ubuntu-devel
[15:19] <jdstrand> hmm...
[15:19] <jdstrand> I didn't do 'debcommit --release', I just did the merge (with quilt and bzr add) and bzr ci...
[15:20]  * jdstrand sighs
[15:21] <hallyn> hm, i've never done debcommit - always do dch -i
[15:21] <jdstrand> right
[15:21] <jdstrand> but soren told me:
[15:21] <jdstrand> 08:54 < soren> jdstrand: after that, you run "debcommit --release"
[15:21] <jdstrand> hallyn: that is after dch
[15:21] <jdstrand> (and when you make it live)
[15:22] <jdstrand> so I'm betting I screwed up cause I didn't do that, and the importer was looking for the tag or something
[15:22] <jdstrand> it is nice how much of a timesaver this has been for me...
[15:22] <jdstrand> (not to be bitter or anything)
[15:23] <hallyn> yeah
[15:23] <hallyn> got my sympathy in any case
[15:23]  * hallyn goes to look at the udd wiki
[15:25] <smoser> hallyn, well, yes it would, but it woulnd't really be ubuntu
[15:25] <smoser> we wantto demo/use ubuntu
[15:25] <hggdh> TeTeT: cool!
[15:26] <hallyn> kirkland: so the java nx client is oss?
[15:26] <kirkland> hallyn: yes
[15:26] <hallyn> ok, i thought it had been decided it wasn't
[15:27] <SAngeli> Hi guys, I am geting an error when buring ubuntu iso files and have no clue how to solve it. This is what I get as error: http://img828.imageshack.us/f/isoerror.jpg/  what is that causes this error? Please anyone.  My OS is windows OS
[15:27] <hallyn> mathiaz: thx, will do
[15:27] <TeTeT> hggdh: not so sure what I should monitor but for the functioning service. Will need to shutdown the exercise next week for an exam though
[15:30] <jdstrand> hallyn: check this out: http://paste.ubuntu.com/530749/
[15:31] <jdstrand> hallyn: if that doesn't scream "don't bzr add .pc" I don't know what does
[15:31] <jdstrand> pfft
[15:31] <jdstrand> hallyn: that is obviously 'apt-get source libvirt'
[15:31] <hallyn> sigh
[15:32] <lavish> hi all
[15:32] <jdstrand> hallyn: maybe we should discuss that with barry
[15:32]  * jdstrand -> #ubuntu-devel
[15:32] <lavish> do you know if php on ubuntu 8.10 had been compiled with pdo support?
[15:36] <a_ok> what do I need for speedstepping /cpu fequency scaling?
[15:48] <hggdh> TeTeT: there is not much to monitor actually -- we would be looking for exceptions
[15:49] <hggdh> TeTeT: so browsinggrepping the logs for errors, and the like
[16:05] <ssureshot> does scp use the same pub/priv keys as ssh ?
[16:08] <hallyn> ssureshot: yes
[16:11] <ssureshot> roger thatn thank you hallyn
[16:16] <smoser> kirkland, i dont think the java client in nx (ie, from stgraber's demo) is open source.
[16:17] <smoser> even if it were, it doesn't do anything bug download a binary version of the official nomachine client (which is free beer)
[16:17] <kirkland> hallyn: ^
[16:19] <hallyn> then i would offer eyeOS/equivalent as an alternative for those so inclined
[16:20] <binBASH> eyeos is nice ;)
[16:20] <binBASH> synology servers have something like this
[16:21] <LyonJT> Hey
[16:21] <LyonJT> does anyone have a good vnc server they could recommende?
[16:21] <binBASH> http://www.synology.com/enu/products/demo/index.php
[16:22] <binBASH> if you want to see ;)
[16:22] <LyonJT> buy a SAN
[16:22] <LyonJT> :)
[16:23] <binBASH> LyonJT: already have thanks :D
[16:23] <LyonJT> :) which make
[16:24] <binBASH> LyonJT: well, currently moving to Amazon S3 though ;)
[16:24] <LyonJT> lol
[16:24] <LyonJT> moving to the cloud then?/
[16:24] <binBASH> yup
[16:24] <binBASH> already moved.......
[16:25]  * hallyn quietly sneaks off for early lunch
[16:25] <binBASH> LyonJT: running here hybrid
[16:25] <patdk-wk> I don't get everyones usage of ec2
[16:25] <patdk-wk> it's great for some things
[16:25] <patdk-wk> but it seems everyone is building everything in it, not caring about performance or cost
[16:25] <binBASH> patdk-wk: Our customers have import jobs with 20 Million images
[16:26] <patdk-wk> you just moved that part right?
[16:26] <binBASH> yup
[16:26] <patdk-wk> not the actual serving of those
[16:26] <binBASH> patdk-wk: also the serving
[16:26] <patdk-wk> heh
[16:26] <binBASH> patdk-wk: customer needs his stuff in a S3 bucket
[16:27] <binBASH> so why not serve directly from it
[16:27] <patdk-wk> oh, if customer demands it, that is different :)
[16:27] <binBASH> yeah, they developed a firefox plugin and retrieve images from s3 with it
[16:27] <patdk-wk> everything goes out the window cased on customer demands :)
[16:27] <patdk-wk> based
[16:28] <binBASH> patdk-wk: I hope client is ready to pay 15K / Month though :D
[16:28] <binBASH> Amazon EC2 is not that cheap
[16:29] <hggdh> aren't we building daily ISOs for natty?
[16:29] <patdk-wk> ya, it's only cheap, if you do it on-demand-load
[16:29] <\sh> binBASH: for a tryout it's "cheap enough"...when you do serious business, you should think about using datacenter providers like equinix others and do you own job in setting up a good server environment
[16:29] <binBASH> yes we're doing so patdk-wk
[16:30] <binBASH> \sh: Only have spike usage :D
[16:30] <binBASH> so cpu is needed on demand
[16:31] <patdk-wk> \sh did you miss it
[16:31] <patdk-wk> it's a customer demand, that they use ec2 for that stuff
[16:31] <patdk-wk> well, s3
[16:31]  * patdk-wk doesn't think you can use s3 directly yet thought, without ec2
[16:31] <binBASH> yeah, that customer provided s3 as storage :D
[16:31] <\sh> well, I'm happy that we only wasting 1k US bucks per month right now...when there is more traffic on net+cpu I'll switch them to another datacenter
[16:31] <binBASH> patdk-wk: sure you can
[16:32] <binBASH> you just can't use ebs
[16:32] <patdk-wk> hmm
[16:32] <patdk-wk> ah
[16:32] <binBASH> \sh And how many servers you have?
[16:32] <patdk-wk> but then, ebs without ec2 is pointless :)
[16:32] <\sh> binBASH: on amazone ec2? 4x t1.large
[16:32] <PleXT> anyone known how to start a unattended Windows7 installation disc from linux PXE server? :/
[16:33] <\sh> binBASH: that's for an US tryout of our product ;)
[16:33] <binBASH> \sh:  OK ;)
[16:33] <binBASH> we host usa stuff at superb.net servers
[16:33] <binBASH> just that image importing part is at ec2
[16:34] <binBASH> running instances continuesly is too expensive at ec2 ;)
[16:35] <\sh> binBASH: but when we see that the US customers are throwing away webex, we will do a contract with a datacenter provider and building our new US facility ;) that means today we would need somewhat about 60-90 servers (HP BL4** /DL3{6,8}5 + network infra from cisco)
[16:36] <\sh> binBASH: well, we do have some more machines at rackspace (real hw)
[16:36] <binBASH> \sh: Our customers won't pay that much for all that kind of servers
[16:36] <binBASH> :(
[16:37] <binBASH> \sh: you know they make over 30K monthly, but don't want to invest too much in hosting :D
[16:38] <binBASH> so we don't have option here to buy a massive amount of servers for them
[16:39] <\sh> binBASH: 30K? that's what we are paying for our module in ffm including traffic
[16:40] <binBASH> hehe
[16:40] <binBASH> \sh: Well we are a very small company.
[16:41] <poolvibe> can samba be served over the net with ssh?
[16:43] <yitz_> poolvibe: sshfs ?
[16:45] <poolvibe> yitz_  I want to give access to a file server with samba but hardened a bit
[18:01] <Maletor> why did freenode tell me this? http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#proxies when i visited http://85.190.0.3/ I have been getting CSRF attempts from that host
[18:04] <Maletor> Preliminary research suggests it is a proxy at Freenode itself trying to POST the shit out of my server.
[18:40] <bogeyd6> can you use one computer to load balance between multiple machines
[18:56] <mathiaz> bogeyd6: usually yes - it depends on your application though
[18:57] <mathiaz> bogeyd6: for http, ha-proxy is a good choice
[18:59] <RoAkSoAx> bogeyd6: if you look to loadbalance Web traffic, haproxy is probably your best option. For other stuff, IPVS might be a better option
[19:13] <bluethundr> I am running ubuntu-server under VirtalBox.. I need to get copy-paste in the terminal working so that I can work with it more effectively
[19:14] <bluethundr> this was the winning forumula under Fedora: http://pastebin.ca/1989319
[19:14] <bluethundr> how do I do the same under ubuntu server? what packages would I need?
[19:18] <hallyn> jdstrand: you were right in the first place - the statstest test fails to compile bc it shouldnt' compile when we don't use xen - and we dont' compile xen for amd/ppc (obv)
[19:38] <jdstrand> hallyn: oh, cool :)
[20:15] <hallyn> jdstrand: i'll let it bake in a ppa before i request a merge
[20:16] <jdstrand> hallyn: the ppa will only build amd64 and i386 right?
[20:16] <jdstrand> hallyn: oh, but you probably know it builds from the poting machines
[20:16] <jdstrand> porting
[20:16] <jdstrand> hallyn: do you need the armel porting box?
[20:16] <hallyn> oh, will they?  feh
[20:17] <hallyn> no,
[20:17] <hallyn> the ppc porting box had no tools on it, and i don't know of an armel one
[20:17] <jdstrand> huh?
[20:17] <hallyn> so maybe i'll just go ahead and request the merge.  it built locally
[20:17]  * jdstrand goes to look
[20:17] <hallyn> davis doesn't have much of anything.  i couldn't even manually ./configure
[20:17] <jdstrand> hallyn: did you see the motd when you logged in?
[20:18] <hallyn> nnnope
[20:18] <jdstrand> hallyn: try logging in again
[20:18] <hallyn> $*(&%*($&%
[20:18] <hallyn> all right, i'll try my tree there, thanks :)
[20:19] <jdstrand> hallyn: what I have as the porter box for armel is allowing me to login...
[20:20] <zul> hey guys what version of libvirt are we using?
[20:20] <jdstrand> zul: 0.8.5 in natty atm
[20:20] <zul> jdstrand: thanks
[20:20] <hallyn> jdstrand: failure was identical on both, so i'll assume if it works on ppc it works on arm
[20:20] <jdstrand> zul: 0.8.6 should be out be the end of the month. depending on how hallyn feels, we might get it for natty
[20:21] <hallyn> absolutely
[20:21]  * jdstrand nods
[20:21]  * hallyn feels spunky
[20:21] <jdstrand> hehe
[20:21] <zul> jdstrand: the newer the better for openstack ;)
[20:21] <jdstrand> well, I imagine soren would be available to help then :)
[20:21]  * jdstrand waves to soren
[20:36] <noaXess> how are the 3ware commands?
[20:37] <noaXess> to check status of the 3ware controller?
[20:50] <Ninjix> anyone having Lotus trouble?
[21:05] <eriksson25> Hi, anyone know how I can disable mantis driver from spamming my syslog?
[21:11] <bogeyd6> how can i use the command line to upgrade only certain packages
[21:12] <erichammond> bogeyd6: This works for me: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install PACKAGENAME
[21:12] <bogeyd6> hmm
[21:12] <bogeyd6> k
[21:13] <mrmist> or apt-get upgrade ...
[21:13] <erichammond> mrmist: apt-get upgrade seems to want to upgrade other packages, too.
[21:15] <dandifiedgari>  :)
[21:16] <mrmist> ahh one particular package, right
[21:21] <osmosis> how can I stop kvm and kvm_intel modules from loading at bootup?
[21:23] <eriksson25> Hi, anyone know how I can disable mantis driver from spamming my syslog?
[21:25] <mrmist> add them to  /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf  ?
[21:25] <hallyn> osmosis: look at /etc/init/qemu-kvm.conf
[21:26] <hallyn> osmosis: i think if you disable that, they won't auto-load
[21:27] <eriksson25> I dont want to kill the driver, just want it not to put alot of stuf in the syslog.
[21:32] <osmosis> hallyn, nice idea
[21:32] <osmosis> hallyn, hmm...how do disable though
[21:33] <osmosis> hallyn, i dont want to start commenting out stuff in a system script that could be replaced at upgrade
[21:33] <osmosis> hallyn, maybe i just need to disable the qemu-kvm system service? not sure how to do that either
[21:37] <hallyn> osmosis: you can probably just 'mv qemu-kvm.conf qemu-kvm.conf.no'.  Or, comment out the 'start on' line.  Or, put 'exit 0' as the first line of the script (so, next line after 'pre-start script')
[21:44] <eriksson25> mrmist: How do I restart syslog so it stops spaming mantis now that I have put it on blacklist
[21:46] <mrmist> eriksson25: erm /etc/init.d/rsyslog restart probably but I'd expect you'd want to restart whatever is loging to it rather than the logger.
[21:46] <eriksson25> probl
[21:47] <mrmist> by the way when I was talking about blacklist.conf before i was answering a different question
[21:48] <garymc> Hi anyone know where I can find my PHP error log file?
[21:48] <eriksson25> lol, sorry I missunderstood
[21:48] <garymc> i have it set to /var/log/php-errors.log in the php.ini but its not showing
[21:48] <garymc> im on ubuntu should I ask this in php?
[21:49] <garymc> whoudl I have to chown the file?
[21:53] <lullabud> anybody know of an ubuntu livecd that has the vmware tools installed already?  or any other livecd, for that matter...
[22:14] <lullabud> when you mount a remote server using Places->Connect to Server, is there a way to make that mount show up to the filesystem so you can interact with it via the CLI?
[22:14] <MagicFab> lullabud, I guarantee it doesn't.
[22:14] <lullabud> lovely.
[22:14] <MagicFab> lullabud, I was answering re: vmware-tools
[22:15] <lullabud> oh, thanks.  that's what i figured... might end up just making my own.
[22:16] <lullabud> also, i was thinking it would be nice to get versions of Windows that were designed to be used within vmware and didn't include all the drivers for all the extra hardware that will never be attached to the vm.  i don't suppose something like that exists either...
[22:16] <MagicFab> you can normally install most packages from live CD anyways... but haven't tried those
[22:17] <dandifiedgari> lllk
[22:17] <dandifiedgari> dandifiedgari
[22:21] <lullabud> found the answer to the places->connect to server question, the mounts show up in ~/.gvfs
[22:46] <garymc> anyone help me get my cronjob to work
[22:46] <lullabud> garymc: what's wrong with your cron?
[22:47] <garymc> where do i put it?
[22:47] <lullabud> crontab -e
[22:47] <garymc> what do i call the file
[22:47] <garymc> yeah i do that then it asks where should I output it to
[22:47] <lullabud> oh, just save whatever it's editing...
[22:48] <lullabud> crontab -e opens a temp file with the existing crontab, lets you edit it, and then when you're done it puts the updated crontab file into place.
[22:50] <garymc> ok my job has a # infront of it in the file it created
[22:50] <lullabud> that will prevent it from running.
[22:51] <garymc> it also says do not edit this file
[22:51] <lullabud> look at the example crontab here - http://linux.die.net/man/5/crontab
[22:51] <garymc> why is crontab -e putting # at the beggining?
[22:51] <lullabud> see how comments are denoted with # ?
[22:51] <lullabud> you can delete the # if you want it to run...
[22:52] <lullabud> i usually just comment out old entries instead of removing them... that way they're already there if i need to put them back.
[22:53] <lullabud> garymc: use pastebin.com if you need me to look at it
[22:55] <garymc> lullabud : http://pastebin.com/1256qwBP
[22:56] <lullabud> so, line 4 will run every night at 10:55pm
[22:57] <garymc> yes
[22:57] <garymc> it works :)
[22:58] <lullabud> what OS is that?  you got that info by doing crontab -e?  that's an odd warning...
[22:59] <garymc> yes
[22:59] <garymc> how about thei
[22:59] <garymc> 30 09 * * * php /var/www-ssl/orderCron.php
[23:03] <lullabud> that would run at 9:30am
[23:03] <lullabud> each day
[23:04] <lullabud> you should probably put the absolute path to php, especially if it's running as root, just in case.
[23:06] <garymc> what you mean? Absolute to php?
[23:06] <garymc> that command seems to be doing the trick
[23:08] <lullabud> find the absolute path to php by doing `which php`, then put that in there instead of just php
[23:08] <lullabud> you don't need to, but it's a good habit to get into.
[23:10] <garymc> ohh ok
[23:29] <mathiaz> kirkland: hey - here is another cobbler-like project: https://github.com/proffalken/edison