[00:16] <Chloric> evening guys
[01:35] <dorgan> so everyone set for Senchacon??
[01:35] <dorgan> oops wrong channel
[01:36] <Chat8742> orlando 31 male here 
[01:36] <chloric> wrong IRC
[01:37] <Chat8742> anyo
[01:37] <Chat8742> this BB app sucks 
[01:52] <mhall119> bb app?
[01:53] <MichelleQ1> I dunno... bulletin board?  
[13:30] <reya276> Morning everyone
[13:32] <reya276> Is it just me or is everyone in the community a bit bummed about the changes Mark S. has been making for the future of Ubuntu, no more Rhythmbox, Gnome replace by Unity, X by wayland and probably something else towards having more MONO (.NET) stuff in it?
[13:34] <reya276> Or maybe the reason why everyone has been so Quiet lately is due to being over worked if that is the case then I can totally understand I'm in that same boat right now feeling like I'm ready to crash, speaking of that my Work PC is acting real funny.
[13:34] <reya276> How can I give it a good clean up does anyone have a safe guide as to how to do that. Bleach Bit is one option
[13:41] <mhall119> reya276: depends on what you mean by cleanup
[13:43] <reya276> well yesterday my display drivers started acting all crazy(I have the deafult drivers not proprietary ATI) and today the system is extremely slow for some reason and this machine is a beast
[13:44] <mhall119> hmmm, did you get an x.org update?
[13:49] <reya276> well I did that reset command dpkg-resetconfig etc...
[13:50] <reya276> but now everytime I logout it says my X config is messed up
[14:26] <reya276> oh man Remmina for Terminal Servers Connection is awesome, works flawless
[14:26] <reya276> GnomeRDP can suck it, be Gone from my Desktop
[14:28] <reya276> ok now lets see if my X issues where fixed
[14:48] <reya276> yeap it seems that the X issue is fixed no more error msg at login/logout
[14:50] <maxolasersquad> Anyone see this. http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2010-November/145273.html
[14:51] <maxolasersquad> It looks like Fedora believes Wayland is the way to go as well.
[15:01] <dantalizing> morning
[15:16] <mhall119> so it is
[15:54] <mhall119> zoopster: morning
[15:54] <zoopster> hi mhall119
[15:55] <mhall119> zoopster: so after talking with my manager, it seems that using Ubuntu is going to be a harder sell than implementing a cloud
[15:55] <mhall119> the company is trying to standardize on a single distro, and right now it's redhat
[15:55] <zoopster> that's a interesting excuse
[15:56] <zoopster> what other os's are in use?
[15:56] <mhall119> Windows server
[15:56] <mhall119> that's it for servers that I know of
[15:56] <zoopster> only one flavor?
[15:56] <mhall119> though I'm sure there's some mainframes and ancient AIX boxes running around somewhere
[15:56] <zoopster> right
[15:56] <mhall119> only RHEL as far as I know
[15:56] <zoopster> for linux
[15:56] <mhall119> don't know what version of Windows Server
[15:57] <mhall119> will UEC run non-Linux OSes?
[15:57] <zoopster> uec is a product specific to ubuntu
[15:57] <zoopster> you can run eucalyptus on rhel
[15:57] <mhall119> I meant guest OS
[15:58] <zoopster> sure
[15:58] <zoopster> we don't support windows on it, but it will run
[15:58] <mhall119> ok, if they can run Windows and RHEL instances as the guests, they might be okay with Ubuntu on the hosts
[15:58] <zoopster> an upsell the enterprise version will provide windows guest support
[15:59] <mhall119> enterprise UEC?
[15:59] <zoopster> basically, yes
[15:59] <mhall119> are they different software, or just different support levels?
[15:59] <zoopster> it's additional software to the open core
[15:59] <mhall119> ok
[15:59] <mhall119> they might go for that
[16:00] <mhall119> do you know if Oracle supports running their DB products in the cloud?
[16:00] <zoopster> they do on EC2
[16:00] <zoopster> I don't know about private
[16:01] <zoopster> but expect they treat it as virtualization
[16:01] <mhall119> do they provide images, or just support it if you do it?
[16:03] <mhall119> I think Moffitt will go for at least a pilot project
[16:08] <dantalizing> run oracle in a vm and pay them for all the cpus on the hardware anyway ... win!  not!
[16:09] <mhall119> yeah
[16:09] <mhall119> we were discussing what to do with out MySQL installs yesterday
[16:10] <dantalizing> mariadb?
[16:10] <mhall119> I heard rumor that InnoDB is going to be dropped from the free version
[16:10] <mhall119> yeah, mariadb is my preference
[16:10] <dantalizing> i think dorgan is using mariadb
[16:10] <mhall119> but my manager says Moffitt will probably pay for the commercial MySQL+InnoDB
[16:10] <dantalizing> you should talk to him
[16:10] <mhall119> we're already throwing support money at Oracle, why not
[16:11] <dantalizing> but you'll end up on a dead platform ... mysql is dead, lets face it
[16:11] <mhall119> yeah, that's what I told him
[16:12] <mhall119> and he agrees
[16:12] <mhall119> but, the DBAs and purchasing people all like Oracle
[16:12] <mhall119> so they'll be just as happy to require us to move our apps to it
[16:12] <dantalizing> boo
[16:12] <mhall119> yeah
[16:35] <zoopster> mhall119: there are ec2 images for some oracle technology
[16:36] <zoopster> I thought the innodb discussion was a misunderstanding of the conversation
[16:37] <zoopster> so you use various flavors of sql db's what's the difference in rhel vs ubuntu?
[16:38] <mhall119> zoopster: they'd like us to use only Oracle and MS SQL
[16:38] <mhall119> we're bucking the trend using MySQL already
[16:38] <zoopster> yeesh
[16:38] <mhall119> we're already being encouraged to use Oracle for any new projects
[16:39] <zoopster> I guess your company has a big IT budget to waste
[16:39] <mhall119> I guess so :(
[16:40] <mhall119> I'm trying to convince my manager that it's better to ask forgiveness than permission, and build out an Ubuntu+Django+MySQL cloud product on the cheap
[16:41] <zoopster> here's some proof points that ubuntu is best of breed for cloud deployments - http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2010/11/11/does-the-operating-system-still-matter-part-4/
[16:42] <dantalizing> nice, fedora switching to wayland also ... someday
[16:42] <zoopster> and I saw where ubuntu has more than that much share in rackspace as well
[16:50] <dantalizing> zoopster: thats awesome ... rackspace started off as such a redhat place
[17:03] <RoAkSoAx> itnet7: ping pong
[17:55] <maxolasersquad> We are running into the Oracle-license-by-core problem.
[17:56] <maxolasersquad> We want to put our new development in 11g, and keep our old systems in 10g.  But the cost of 11G on our five-core server is astonishing to say the least.
[18:14] <maxolasersquad> Anyone in here planning on picking up a Boxee Box?
[18:15] <maxolasersquad> http://www.boxee.tv/buy
[18:17] <dorgan> anyone know if facebook has an icons available?
[18:17] <dorgan> i am looking to use a fcacebook icon on a customers site...but want to use the image from facebook itself
[18:18] <maxolasersquad> dorgan: http://facebookicon.net/
[18:20] <maxolasersquad> "We have no permission to use their trademark and we are in no way competing with their website or business model. All icons/buttons available on this site are the result of user submissions."
[18:21] <maxolasersquad> http://developers.facebook.com/docs/reference/plugins/like may be helpful as well, depending on what you are trying to do.
[18:23] <dorgan> i am just looking for a little facebook icon to put next to a link :)
[18:23] <dorgan> but I would like it to be hosted by facebook
[18:27] <maxolasersquad> Are you looking to link to their facebook profile?
[18:28] <maxolasersquad> Looking around their site, I don't see any good way to use an official Facebook image, hosted by facebook, that they are officially sanctioning.
[18:48] <itnet7> RoAkSoAx: pong
[18:56] <RoAkSoAx> itnet7: dude!! how's it going?? I texted you the other day... have you received my sms?
[19:14] <zoopster> dorgan: did you look here? http://www.facebook.com/badges/
[19:15] <zoopster> dorgan: and here's the plugin links http://developers.facebook.com/plugins
[19:17] <dorgan> yeah problem with that stuff is its all javascript I just want an image
[19:18] <dorgan> and its going to have to look good @ 20 x 20
[19:19] <Chat6761> wassup
[19:20] <Chat6761> orlando
[19:30] <zoopster> what about a google search for images dorgan?
[19:40] <maxolasersquad> zoopster: He's looking for an official image hosted by Facbook, which I don't think he's going to find.
[19:44] <zoopster> agreed other than consuming their tools  which link to their logo's you are correct
[20:00] <maxolasersquad> dorgan: http://www.facebook.com/brandpermissions/
[20:01] <maxolasersquad> "We generally do not allow the use of the Facebook logo. If you would like to request special permission for a specific use, please work with your Facebook business contact." - http://www.facebook.com/brandpermissions/logos.php
[20:02] <maxolasersquad> However in there is an "f" logo that you can use.
[20:03] <maxolasersquad> However you need to download and host it locally.  The good news is that using height and widht, making it shows as a 20x20 image should be really easy.