[00:41] <Unit193> EXT3 or 4?
[00:41] <Unit193> (Installing Kubuntu)
[00:56] <dmcglone> I always heard EXT4 still had problems
[00:56] <dmcglone> but it supposed to have better journaling capabalities
[00:59] <Unit193> The help part of the website is no use to me.... :( (in the "Disk Setup" I have no section for side by side)
[00:59] <canthus13> Unit193: Depends. I've never had issues with either.
[00:59] <canthus13> I've only installed ext4 on one machine, though.
[01:00] <canthus13> 4 is supposed to be faster, but I don't really see it.
[01:01] <Unit193> 3 it is then...
[01:09] <Unit193> The disk setup used to be better for people dual booting...
[01:12] <dmcglone> I'll be back I'm going to move my router and modem
[01:21] <dmcglone> I'm back :-)
[01:22] <Unit193> Welcome back!
[01:26] <dmcglone> I was running wireless, but had to move my computer so I figured I might as well just stick the modem back over by my desk and plug it up
[01:28] <Cheri703> mansfield ubuntu hour = success! (I thought)
[01:28] <Unit193> Sweet!!
[01:28] <Unit193> How was it?
[01:28] <dmcglone> I'm missing my volume control on my pannel
[01:29] <canthus13> Cheri703: Dunno if you caught my question before... What are you needing a packet sniffer for?
[01:29] <Cheri703> Unit193: it was good! I taught bill (the guy who came), who has been programming for 44 years, about ssh -X :)
[01:30] <Cheri703> canthus13: I need to track a file once it gets created and sent over the network...it's getting lost somehow
[01:30] <canthus13> Hrm. That's odd. I'd traceroute first, see where the problems lie.
[01:30] <canthus13> A sniffer on the receiving machine *might* be helpful....
[01:30] <Cheri703> ok, I dunno, the service tech suggested package sniffer...
[01:31]  * Cheri703 is a sponge, explain traceroute :)
[01:31] <dmcglone> is it possible to remove evolution from the indicator applet?
[01:35] <canthus13> Cheri703: It pings every machine between you and the destination.  tracert <address> from the command line.
[01:35] <Cheri703> hmm...ok
[01:36] <canthus13> bah. there's another utility that will continuously run tracert and track packet loss. can't remember what it is...
[01:36] <Cheri703> hmm...ok
[01:40] <canthus13> mtr is what I was thinking of.
[01:40] <Cheri703> ok
[01:41] <canthus13> It helps pinpoint failing machines.
[01:42] <Cheri703> ok, I'll look for any tutorials
[01:48] <dmcglone> well I thought I solved that problem. NOT
[01:49] <Cheri703> thanks canthus13
[01:52] <dmcglone> Ah sudo apt-get remove indicator-messages removes that pesky icon
[01:54] <canthus13> Cheri703: no prob.
[02:27] <dmcglone> sheesh :-)
[02:30] <Cheri703> I concur
[02:33] <dmcglone> I don't know why I fiddle with this stuff.. LOL
[02:35] <dmcglone> I'm thinking of upgrading to 10.10
[02:36] <canthus13> dmcglone: you masochist.
[02:40] <Unit193> You all use Gnome right?
[02:50] <dmcglone> I do Unit193
[02:50] <dmcglone> but most of my applications I use are KDE apps
[02:50] <dmcglone> lol
[02:51] <dmcglone> I use Kontact, kdevelop, kate to name a few
[02:51] <dmcglone> I'm board so I'm upgrading to 10.10
[02:54]  * canthus13 does.
[02:54] <canthus13> mostly.
[02:56] <dmcglone> what is mostly?
[02:56] <Unit193> the way ubuntu has it setup I don't like it much (but somehow mint did) so I just use kubuntu ;)
[02:57] <dmcglone> I like kubuntu, but I can't stand the kicker bar. it's a pain in the butt adding them stupid spacers to space things
[02:59] <Cheri703> canthus13: I have some more questions about this traceroute and mtr thing
[02:59] <dmcglone> I also can't stand the new kicker menu, and the old one just haphazzardly throws everything in there wherever it can find a free spot
[02:59] <Unit193> The new menu style is not so good :(
[03:00] <Cheri703> Unit193: We are having the next ubuntu hour NEXT thursday 11/18, and after that we are going to go to every other week (otherwise we would have hit thanksgiving and christmas eve eve)
[03:00] <dmcglone> so I just use gnome desktop with kde apps :-) best of both worlds
[03:00] <Cheri703> who was it that was able to edit the calendar?
[03:01] <canthus13> Cheri703: I'll be back on in a bit... heading home.
[03:01] <Cheri703> kk
[03:02] <Unit193> Cheri703: I'm busy that night from 5:30-8:15 :'(
[03:02] <Cheri703> :(
[03:02] <Cheri703> well, it'll happen again 2 weeks later...
[03:06] <Unit193> Wow, Ubuntu is definitely looking way better then it did in 6.10! (less brown!)
[03:06] <dmcglone> oh yeah
[03:07] <dmcglone> works better too
[03:08] <BiosElement> lol
[03:09] <Unit193> Last time I used it was 6.10 way too brown... but much faster...
[03:11] <Cheri703> canthus13: I know you said you're out, but let me know when you're back, I have a pm ready for you :)
[03:12] <BiosElement> Could someone explain to me why in "google v facebook", google is somehow evil? I think people need to understand the internet is meant to SHARE information...as in you put it somewhere it's gonna be everywhere...That doesn't make google 'evil'. >.>
[03:13] <Cheri703> because google is doing a "you won't let me have yours, so you can't have mine!"
[03:13] <Cheri703> so they think that's wrong
[03:13] <dmcglone> yours and mind what Cheri703?
[03:13] <BiosElement> Cheri703, Screw that, I don't HAVE to let you have a  thing. :P
[03:14] <Cheri703> whereas, fb was taking info without google's permission in the first place, so google is simply saying, "fine, if you want to be swapping info, then let me have some of yours" and fb said no, so google said they'd cut off the flow from their side
[03:14] <Cheri703> info dmcglone
[03:14] <Cheri703> friend / contact lists
[03:14] <dmcglone> whats so bad about it?
[03:14] <BiosElement> Cheri703, Actually, FB 'hacked' their way around the api block. So FB claims google is evil for letting people export data, BUT FB goes outta their way to help people 'be evil' from google lol
[03:14] <Cheri703> yeah, basically
[03:15] <dmcglone> what do you guys find this stuff???
[03:15] <dmcglone> lol
[03:15] <BiosElement> ? Heh
[03:16] <dmcglone> all this news?
[03:17] <BiosElement> dmcglone, Eh, all over the place. ars technica is a good place to start even if I hate their guts anymore heh
[03:21] <dmcglone> google is evil. I typed in "technica" and I get a footwear website.. LOL
[03:30] <BiosElement> haha
[03:38] <canthus13> Cheri703: I'm back.
[03:38] <Cheri703> kk
[04:16] <Unit193> Oh why did they have to make a desktop comic widget....
[04:24]  * Cheri703 is planning to exert some civil disobedience tomorrow....protest crappy bosses
[04:33] <Cheri703> so I've gotten these questions a few times now, and I'm not sure what the best answers are: What do you do at an Ubuntu Hour? and Why should I come?
[04:36] <BiosElement> Cheri703, Talk. Meet people. Have fun.
[04:36] <BiosElement> That's the simple answer anyway
[04:36] <Cheri703> that's what I generally say
[04:36] <BiosElement> Technically you can also fix bugs, write code, test stuff, teach people things, etc.
[04:38] <BiosElement> BTW Oracle v. Google just turned into SCO 2
[04:39] <BiosElement> Groklaw: "It's SCO II, at least in part, alleging that the infringed material is "Java method and class names, definitions, organization, and parameters; the structure, organization and content of Java class libraries; and the content and organization of Java’s documentation." Don't tell me it's APIs and methods and concepts again. And infringing the "organization" of Java documentation? Lordy."
[04:56] <canthus13> ....Like we didn't know that was gonna happen?
[04:59] <BiosElement> canthus13, Heh, not really. It's a joke of a suit. I look forward to Oracle running themselves into the ground.
[05:01] <BiosElement> haha wow, I didn't know this. Oracle's being sued by the DoJ for fraud alligations. >.< Not to mention they're at war with HP, Google and also nuked OpenSolaris. >.> Wow.
[05:01] <BiosElement> It's a textbook answer for the age old question: "How do I get rid of a great company>"
[06:23] <BiosElement> UDS Decisions: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDSProceedings/N/Final
[15:13] <thafreak> Morning Ohio
[16:43] <canthus13> Herro.
[16:46] <thafreak> Nothing like the smell of source compiling early in the morning
[16:48] <canthus13> that's your fan burning out.
[16:49] <thafreak> good thing I have a box full of replacement fans
[16:49] <canthus13> What's stupid is my media server decided to stop booting the other day... I swapped CPU fans, it booted. tested the fan, it's fine. :(
[19:08] <thafreak> Anyone see the rumors about facebook directly taking on gmail?
[19:12] <deejoe> I think BiosElement was going on about something facebook/google yesterday, iirc
[19:12] <deejoe> I don't know if it was about gmail as such
[19:13] <BiosElement> No
[19:13] <BiosElement> FB isn't gonna do that, it's not what they do. >.<
[19:14] <BiosElement> FB is just being a little baby about things a of late. >.>
[19:16]  * BiosElement hangs a sign on his door reading "Ubuntu Ohio Rumor Mill"
[19:29] <deejoe> is that where one takes rumors to get them ground down to a fine and nutritious powder?
[19:32] <thafreak> So, our sites here at work are completely unavailable...all because register.com is having "connectivity" issues, and therefore NONE of their dns servers are working
[19:32] <thafreak> WTF happened to geo-redundant nameservers???
[19:33] <thafreak> Apparently no one ever told them about having those
[19:35] <greyfox-> I think thafreak is talking about this: http://techcrunch.com/2010/11/11/facebook-gmail-titan/
[19:35] <greyfox-> "announcement coming monday"
[19:41] <deejoe> > Oh, and assuming our sources prove accurate, this explains the timing of the Google/Facebook slap fight over contact information.
[19:49] <thafreak> Does anyone have a recomendation for domain registration other than godaddy?
[19:50] <canthus13> Who would recommend godaddy? :P
[19:50] <thafreak> Well, I use them...
[19:50] <thafreak> their site is aweful
[19:50] <canthus13> so do I.  I wouldn't recommend them, though.
[19:50] <thafreak> and a total bitch to do anything
[19:50] <thafreak> but they're cheap, and so far reliable
[19:51] <thafreak> right, neither would I
[19:51] <canthus13> Try to get your domain name away from them, though...
[19:51] <thafreak> hence the reason I asked if anyone would recommend a company other than them :)
[19:51] <thafreak> Who would you go with?
[19:51] <Cheri703> My domain is through my hosting
[19:52] <Cheri703> thafreak: go to nodaddy.com
[19:52] <Cheri703> they have alternatives listed
[19:52] <canthus13> I dunno.  I only have one domain name...
[19:52]  * canthus13 hasn't really worried about switching.
[19:53] <thafreak> I used to use directnic...I think...but I switched to godaddy ages ago, cause they were cheaper
[20:02] <thafreak> Out of curiousity...I'm looking to see where certain high profile domains are registered
[20:03] <thafreak> digg.com...godaddy
[20:03] <thafreak> slashdot, tucows...forgot about tucows...that's OLD school
[20:07] <thafreak> can some one do a whois on google.com, and confirm they see what I'm seeing...
[20:08] <canthus13> what am I confirming... asid from an assload of crap.
[20:08] <thafreak> dunno
[20:08] <thafreak> I was getting things like
[20:08] <thafreak> Server Name: GOOGLE.COM.ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.GET.ONE.MILLION.DOLLARS.AT.WWW.UNIMUNDI.COM
[20:09] <thafreak> Server Name: GOOGLE.COM.ZZZZZZ.THE.BEST.WEBHOSTING.AT.WWW.FATUCH.COM
[20:09] <thafreak> Server Name: GOOGLE.COM.ZZZZZ.GET.LAID.AT.WWW.SWINGINGCOMMUNITY.COM
[20:09] <canthus13> Oh. yeah.
[20:09] <thafreak> Not sure what whois is doing there
[20:09] <canthus13> Google snatched those up.
[20:10] <canthus13> they were spam sites, virus sites, etc.. kinda like how cnet grabbed com.com because it was being used for viruses/spam.
[20:10] <thafreak> geez, it seems all these big guys use "markmonitor"
[20:10] <canthus13> Yup. trademark monitoring.
[20:10] <thafreak> hmm...what are some smaller guys I can look at...like digg...
[20:11] <thafreak> I guess reddit right