[00:46] <mhall119> AlanBell: did you need me?
[04:15] <newz2000> AlanBell: initially we'll test it by adding the user style sheet in the preferences... if it gets well accepted we do something that allows a user to more easily use it
[07:21] <AlanBell> mhall119: all sorted now, thanks
[09:09] <daker> newz2000, there is an issue with the new theme
[09:09] <daker> all RTL pages becomes LTR
[12:36] <AlanBell> daker: example page?
[12:37] <daker> AlanBell, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MoroccanTeam/AR
[12:39] <daker> AlanBell, look at this <body  lang="fr" dir="ltr">
[13:07] <AlanBell> yeah, but there is rtl at the content level
[13:07] <AlanBell> it is displaying rtl
[13:09] <AlanBell> if you look at the lists the bullets are on the right and the full stops are on the left, if it was ltr they would be the other way round
[13:10] <AlanBell> it should probably be right justified, which isn't quite the same thing as direction
[13:10] <AlanBell> <div id="page" lang="ar" dir="rtl">
[13:10] <AlanBell> <div dir="rtl" id="content" lang="ar"><span class="anchor" id="top"></span>
[13:15] <AlanBell> yeah, it is because text-align is set
[13:15] <AlanBell> if it wasn't then it would align based on direction
[13:17] <daker> i saw that
[13:17] <daker> #content {text-align:right;}
[13:18] <daker> should fix it
[13:29] <AlanBell> nope, that would be a disaster!
[13:30] <AlanBell> text-align needs to be not set
[13:30] <AlanBell> there doesn't appear to be an actual css value for that which is odd
[13:31] <AlanBell> firebug lists the computed value as "text-align:start;"
[13:32] <AlanBell> oh, that is a real value http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-css3-text-20101005/#text-align
[13:32] <AlanBell> daker: can you file a bug for it please
[13:32] <daker> sure
[13:37] <daker> AlanBell, a quick fix
[13:37] <daker> #content-rtl {text-align:right;}
[13:38] <daker> and if the page is RTL just add rtl to id="content$dir"
[13:38] <AlanBell> hmm, what about mixed pages?
[13:38] <AlanBell> surely text-align:start; is better
[13:40] <daker> AlanBell, you are right
[13:42] <daker> AlanBell, bug 674504
[13:42] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 674504 in ubuntu-website "RTL direction is not applied correctly (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/674504
[14:00] <AlanBell> could some other people have a ponder about bug 674504 please
[14:00] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 674504 in ubuntu-website "RTL direction is not applied correctly (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/674504
[14:01] <AlanBell> I think the issue is that in reset.css which is supposed to clear the styles it sets text-align to left. That isn't the default or optimum text-align, it should be start.
[14:03] <AlanBell> *[dir="rtl"] #content {text-align:start;}
[14:03] <AlanBell> ^^ correct syntax for ugly hack method of fixing it
[14:25] <l3on> Hi all..
[14:25] <newz2000> hi l3on
[14:25] <l3on> newz2000: ubuntu.com template is available?
[14:26] <newz2000> l3on: no, not precisely, but there are community created versions available at https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website
[14:26] <l3on> ubuntu.china has the u.c theme :)
[14:27] <newz2000> not quite, and we don't endorse copying the site like they do
[14:27] <newz2000> they reverse engineered it
[14:27] <l3on> mmm well, I tested light theme, is not the best :/
[14:28] <newz2000> l3on: it is just a foundation
[14:28] <newz2000> you are welcome to improve it
[14:28] <l3on> ah ok :)
[14:28] <newz2000> we don't want to have mirror image clones though
[14:28] <newz2000> because it confuses people about the diff between official sites and "partnering" sites
[14:28] <newz2000> there should be a familiarity, a connection, like a brother and a sister, not identical twins
[14:29] <l3on> yes, understood!
[14:30] <newz2000> cool. We are happy to help and we love contributions if you care to provide improvements
[14:46] <charlie-tca> newz2000: Are you available to discuss bug 670927 ?
[14:46] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 670927 in ubuntu-website "Can not print the "Leadership Code Of Conduct" (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/670927
[14:46] <newz2000> charlie-tca: I am, but I think we'll get better results on the mailing list
[14:47] <newz2000> charlie-tca: alejandra and yailli guide the visual and they are on the mailing list
[14:47] <newz2000> they're the ones that need to be convinced of the priority of the change
[14:48] <charlie-tca> I see. All right, I will join the list for this discussion. Although, I suspect the end result is "if you need to print something, too bad"
[14:50] <newz2000> charlie-tca: yailli is a css expert and she loves pure, beautiful css and she's working on improving what we have (what we got from the contractors).
[14:50] <charlie-tca> Okay. I will give it a shot then. I appreciate your time is valuable, and at least you are trying.
[14:51] <newz2000> thanks charlie-tca
[14:51] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[15:04] <AlanBell> newz2000: what are your thoughts on the rtl issue and reset.css?
[15:05] <newz2000> AlanBell: it sounds like we need to get rid of text-align: left to fix the prob, correct?
[15:06] <AlanBell> well reset should clear all css oddness, so if text is say right aligned it should go back to normal after applying reset.css
[15:06] <AlanBell> just I think normal is "start" and not "left"
[15:07] <AlanBell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/htdocs/light/css/reset.css that is it
[15:17] <newz2000> I wonder why its not like that
[15:43] <AlanBell> I guess someone thought that the default text alignment should be left, which is not quite the case