[12:54] <apw> can anyone tell me if 'clickpad's are supported at the X server yet?  i have kernel patches which imply that X is handling the fact that the thing only has one button
[13:05] <tjaalton> apw: not in the synaptics version in maverick, dunno what natty has
[13:07] <apw> tjaalton, yeah this is for natty ... 
[13:07] <tjaalton> apw: but the driver forces only one button (and 2-button emulation) for the device if it's a clickpad
[13:07] <tjaalton> the upstream version anyway
[13:07] <tjaalton> and natty should get 1.4.x at some point
[13:08] <tjaalton> 1.3.0 should be good as well aiui
[13:08] <tjaalton> that's waiting in experimental
[13:09] <tjaalton> though there's one patch that doesn't seem to be upstream, though it should have gone there months ago
[13:09] <tjaalton> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=590835
[13:09] <ubot4> bugzilla.redhat.com bug 590835 in xorg-x11-drv-synaptics "Clickpad unusable on Hp mini 210" [Medium,Assigned]
[13:15] <ScottK> RAOF: I saw you mention planned work on multi monitor experience in #ubuntu-devel.  If I can find a KDE/Kubuntu person who's interested would you be willing to provide mentoring so we can do the same (No, I plan on implementing it for KDE too is a perfectly acceptable answer ;-))?
[13:16] <tjaalton> apw: hum, it's not upstream yet it seems
[13:16] <tjaalton> apw: fedora added it to their package
[13:16] <tjaalton> but not upstream
[13:19] <apw> tjaalton, ok ... so it sounds like we are good kernel wise, and we await x catching up
[13:20] <tjaalton> apw: yep
[13:20] <tjaalton> I'll ping peter (hutterer) when he's online
[13:21] <tjaalton> weekend already down under ;)
[13:21] <apw> tjaalton, thanks that get me down to only 4 patches not accounted for in the rebase
[13:45] <jcristau> tjaalton: what's the plan for natty?  server 1.10 and mesa 7.10, or?
[13:47] <tjaalton> jcristau: yeah something like that
[13:48] <tjaalton> bryce sent an email to ubuntu-x@ about the planned versions
[13:48] <Sarvatt> jcristau: yep
[13:48] <jcristau> maybe i should be on ubuntu-x..
[13:48] <jcristau> too many lists
[13:49] <jcristau> focusing on trying to release squeeze in 2010 atm..
[13:50] <tjaalton> hehe
[13:50] <tjaalton> yeah maybe that could be sent to debian-x@ as well..
[13:53] <tjaalton> hum the clickpad patch was reviewed by peter in April, but for some reason they never got in upstream git, even though there was no released kernel that supported it (f13 had it)
[13:53] <Sarvatt> server 1.10 is still up in the air but preferred if the XI 2.1 stuff even lands in it
[13:53] <Sarvatt> lucid had it too
[13:53] <Sarvatt> the kernel side
[13:54] <tjaalton> that was the old patch
[13:54] <tjaalton> when the kernel handled it..
[13:55] <tjaalton> and it's what apw is trying to get rid of aiui :)
[13:56] <apw> tjaalton, oh its _gone_ it clashed with what was merged upstream
[13:56] <tjaalton> ah of course
[13:56] <apw> from what i can see the 3 button mode did not make it, a single button mode did.  the commentary in the patch imples that this is a normal thing and X can handle it (should handle it)
[13:57] <tjaalton> yes, from what I can tell the synaptics driver will use emulation when only one button is reported by the kernel
[14:00] <Sarvatt> wonder if anything is upstream for alps yet, using evdev for a touchpad really does suck and I'm surprised how many laptops ship with that alps crap
[16:00] <sharkbird> Does anyone know of a multihead video card that supports three monitors and works well with ubuntu?  Years ago I was able to set this up on debian using two video cards, but that method does not seem to work with recent X servers.
[16:48] <Sarvatt> sharkbird: a radeon HD 5xxx or newer with at least 1 displayport monitor (or a digital connection with an active displayport converter on the third)
[16:50] <sharkbird> Sorvatt:  with that card would I be able to configure all three monitors with Catalyst
[16:51] <jcristau> 2 cards should still work depending on driver, luck, and enough prayers
[16:51] <jcristau> not that i've tested that or anything
[16:51] <Sarvatt> yep, the limitations on it are kind of complicated though, there is some info on it here http://www.botchco.com/agd5f/?p=51
[16:52] <Sarvatt> there are people using 6 monitors on one GPU on those, if only displayport monitors that are required were more common..
[16:53] <jcristau> hmm, memory bw for scanout to 6 monitors must be interesting :)
[16:53] <sharkbird> Sarvatt:  thanks for the link  I appreciate your help.
[16:53] <Sarvatt> active converters cost almost as much as a GPU or dp monitor last I checked
[16:54] <Sarvatt> the things with 6 dp outputs have like 200GB/second memory bandwidth :)
[16:56] <sharkbird> jcristau:  I must be really unlucky.  I have spent about a week trying various permutations of settings, and using various tutorials.  The closest I have come is having one display on built in video card and two cloned displays on a ati r4350.
[16:59] <Sarvatt> I've never gone through the hell that setting up 2 cards like that is but from what I've seen I'd only even attempt it if I was using the nvidia proprietary drivers for both GPUs
[17:00] <Sarvatt> only people I've talked to that got a remotely usable setup were using that I mean
[17:01] <sharkbird> I had  4 monitor/ 2 card (one agp/ one pci) working on debian sid years ago.  I must have gotten lucky though.
[19:13] <Sarvatt> anyone have any ideas on how to "fix" x11-apps on natty? every single one needs extra libs to build.. we dont run autoreconf on those so easy PKG_CHK_MODULES configure.ac patches wont fly.. patch configure.ac and have autoreconf patches for all of them or run autoreconf at build time with patches or what?
[19:14] <Sarvatt> xbiff needs http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/app/xbiff/commit/?id=070c9d45cc0678708d5766804d0c529bc6f8bee3 for instance
[19:16] <jcristau> push the configure.ac patches upstream, release, pull in the distro? :)
[19:22] <Sarvatt> oh hey thats actually appropriate for most of these so far, I failed at grepping
[19:46] <Sarvatt> hmm bitmap doesn't even need a configure.ac change, just an autoreconf
[19:46] <Sarvatt> configure:5709: checking for BITMAP
[19:46] <Sarvatt> configure:5716: $PKG_CONFIG --exists --print-errors "x11 xbitmaps xaw7 xmu"
[19:46] <Sarvatt> vs
[19:46] <Sarvatt> configure:5700: checking for BITMAP
[19:46] <Sarvatt> configure:5707: $PKG_CONFIG --exists --print-errors "xbitmaps xaw7 xmu"
[19:48] <Sarvatt> nevermind, i'm gonna look at it later, git checkout + autogen.sh works but the tarball version doesn't