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roxy_djustice: *getting annoyed* :P00:12
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MagikGimpHi, anybody there?00:26
James147MagikGimp: yup00:26
MagikGimpCan I ask a novice question? Are you up for such a dull thing?00:27
James147!ask | MagikGimp00:27
ubottuMagikGimp: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)00:27
MagikGimphokay00:27
MagikGimpBare with me00:27
MagikGimpOK, so just installed00:28
MagikGimpPut GRUB2 (presumably) in /boot00:28
MagikGimpBut that partition hasn't been set to boot00:28
MagikGimpOnly Windows comes up. Now I know I can read about changing this but I'm worried doing so will mess with Windows' boot Windows or Recovery Console menu00:29
MagikGimpAm I making any sense?00:29
MagikGimpI can't seem to find anyone else with the same concern00:29
MagikGimpIf I change the MBR will that menu still appear when I choose to boot Windows?00:29
James147MagikGimp: generally you install grub to the mbr of the disk (not the partition) the config files will go in /boo though... but yes, installing grub will overwrite the windows bootloader in the mbr, although this isnt normally a problem, you can always use a windows recovery disk to install it back again should you want to remove linux00:30
James147!grub2 | MagikGimp for more info00:30
ubottuMagikGimp for more info: GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since Ubuntu 9.10.  For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub200:30
James147MagikGimp: what will happen if you install to the mbr, grub will boot, and ahve an option to boot to windows, which will chain load the windows boot loader00:31
MagikGimpBut that menu, will it still be there? I know the Recovery Console is NOT in its own partition but I have no idea where the menu comes from. Wait, isn't it something you can fiddle with in.... slipped my mind (you type something into the Run box). Anyway, I think you've answered the question by saying that it should stay intact so many thanks, I'll go read one of the many mess with the MBR00:33
MagikGimpthreads. Cheers!00:33
MagikGimpGoodnight James, I'll do it in the morning (half midnight here)00:34
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daniel3In xchat running on Kubuntu 10.10, Im getting an error "Unable to set transparent background".  Anyone else got this error before?01:30
JontheEchidnadaniel3: desktop effects would probably have to be enabled for that to work, so that would be the first thing I would check01:35
JontheEchidnaBut I use konversation, so I don't know if I can be of much more use than that01:35
daniel3They are.  I have the cube animation and stuff like that.  Ill look for a more specific option.01:35
daniel3Oh man.01:35
daniel3I forgot about Konversation.01:35
daniel3Ive been deployed, this is the first time ive been able to use linux in like 6 months.01:36
daniel3Does Konversation support transparent backgrounds?01:36
daniel3Why does Kubuntu have QuasselIRC as the default IRC client?01:37
IHeartLinuxI am having trouble installing Kubuntu.  I also tried Ubuntu.01:48
daniel3So Konversation doesn't have the ability to set a transparent background?01:51
tsimpsondaniel3: xchat probably requires metacity or compiz running01:53
moetunesnope xchat doesn't01:54
daniel3moetunes: Then why wouldn't xchat let me set a transparent background under KDE 4.5.1 in Kubuntu?01:55
moetunesit does a transparent background here in fluxbox01:55
moetunesdaniel3:  no idea01:55
daniel3hrm..01:55
daniel3There, I just made Konversations Window transparent.02:00
daniel3Love KDE's windows settings.02:00
jmichaelxdaniel3: what do you mean by transparent window?02:16
daniel3I made the entire Konversation window transparent using KDE's windows settings.02:16
daniel3I like keeping my IRC client and terminal transparent.02:18
daniel3But I use yakauke for my terminal, which is a wonderful program02:18
daniel3Triple booted my Mac Book Pro with OS X 10.6.4, Windows 7 Home Premium, and Kubuntu 10.10.  So trying to customize KDE to my liking.02:19
goodtimeke keeping my IRC client and terminal transparent.02:23
goodtime[21:18] <daniel3> But I use yakauke for m02:23
goodtimewhoa02:23
goodtimesorry02:23
daniel3lol02:24
daniel3I really wish Quanta would upgrade for kde4.02:29
jmichaelxdaniel3: i have been wishing that too for some time.... i once looked into whether or not anyone was even working on porting it to KDE4, and do not even remember what i found02:32
daniel3According to their website, the last update was years ago.  Quanta is a great program, but it looks be to abandoned.02:33
daniel3My last civilian job was a lead web developer for a startup company.  Boss introduces me to Quanta.  It's probably one of the better few.  Now Im going to Iraq very soon, so guess I don't get to do web development for a little while.02:36
jmichaelxi will try to not turn things to politics, but if you are military, i wish you could do web dev instead of being deployed as well02:38
jmichaelxdaniel3: quanta is really nice, a lot of people liked it02:38
jmichaelxdo you still use the kde3 version in the repos?02:40
daniel3So besides Kate, whats a good light weight php editor for KDE?02:40
ubuntuanyone here able to point me to a technical support channel? i would post in a forum but i need my problem fixed by midnight(5 hours from now)02:52
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bazhangDarrick, for kubuntu? ask here02:53
Deamonsoulwell not precisely for kubunto... im trying to use kubunto to fix my problem cuz its the only thing that works... at all02:54
bazhangDeamonsoul, for what then02:54
Deamonsouli have windows 7 but it wont boot (normal or safe) i have ultimate boot cd but it wont boot. i have windows 7 disks but they wont help and i have kubunto disk which runs live perfectly fine... and im trying to get windows 7 to boot cuz i have like half doneuniversity homework done that i need to hand in by midnight... if i can access my drive it will do for now but i have 3 partitions C D and Z (in windows) the only one that will mount in kubuto is z02:57
Deamonsouland i have to force it to, i just get errors for the other two02:57
bazhangDeamonsoul, is kubuntu even installed on this machine?02:58
Deamonsoulno its running live off its dvd02:59
Deamonsoulthats why i didnt think this was the place to ask02:59
bazhangDeamonsoul, tried ##windows ?02:59
Deamonsoulill try03:02
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Deamonsoulerror when i try to mount a partition03:17
comawhitewhat's the best way to create a package for kubuntu for my application?03:39
moetunes!packaging03:40
ubottuThe packaging guide is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment - See also !backports03:40
comawhitethank you moetunes03:41
moetunesnp :)03:41
mrmcq2uWhen I go into desktop effects everythng is greyed out including the tabs03:42
mrmcq2uany ideas?03:42
LeeJunFanmrmcq2u: dri isn't working on your graphics drivers.03:43
mrmcq2uit was a few hours ago03:43
mrmcq2u:)03:43
LeeJunFanI had an issue once like that when DRI was working I ended up having to delete a config file in the ~/.kde dir. Can't remember which one, it was the one which held the settings for desktop effects though.03:44
mrmcq2uOpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI R600 (RV610 94C1) 20090101 x86/MMX+/3DNow!+/SSE2 TCL DRI203:45
mrmcq2uthats from the glxinfo output03:45
LeeJunFandoes it say dri: yes on one of the lines?03:45
mrmcq2uwell isnt dri2 dri03:46
LeeJunFanglxinfo | grep "direct rendering"03:46
mrmcq2ujohn@john-desktop:~$ glxinfo | grep "direct rendering"03:46
mrmcq2udirect rendering: Yes03:46
mrmcq2ushould i nuke a config file for kwin then?03:47
LeeJunFanMaybe it's the same issue I had. I think it's actually kdeglobals03:47
LeeJunFanyeah, kdeglobals is where the effects are enabled03:48
comawhiteis there a way to get trunk on kubuntu?03:48
LeeJunFanOr maybe you could just edit it by hand and enable it.03:48
mrmcq2uwhere is kdeglobals? :) im a recent gnome convert :)03:49
comawhitemrmcq2u, what you mean kdeglobals?03:49
LeeJunFan~/.kde/share/config/kdeglobals03:49
LeeJunFanmrmcq2u: there's a line "EffectsEnabled=false"03:50
valoriecomawhite: there is project neon, which is daily builds03:51
mrmcq2uthat option doesnt seem to be there03:52
LeeJunFanmrmcq2u: you may have to log out of KDE, make the changes, then log in. Otherwise it's just going to run with what it has in memory, and might overwrite your changes when you log out.03:53
LeeJunFanmrmcq2u: ah, perhaps that's the issue. I'd cp it for a backup, then nuke it. But you should probably log out of kde and do it from console, then log in.03:53
sybhttp://stanford.edu/~pgbovine/cde.html - Binary wrapper to run any binary app through different linux machines (same arch though) .. without installing any dependence!03:59
sybjust spreading news03:59
mrmcq2uright, gonna reboot and see if this works.04:00
mrmcq2uThanks for the help LeeJunFan04:00
LeeJunFangood luck.04:00
MaSa69hey guys.....perhaps this  little you of borders in this chat, but i jusst have to find answer....04:13
valoriewhat?04:14
valorie!ask04:14
ubottuPlease don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)04:14
MaSa69...so i'm usin windows server 2008 and trying to "force" a default backgroun with gp04:15
bazhangMaSa69, how does that relate to kubuntu04:15
MaSa69as i said in beginning it does not :)04:15
bazhangMaSa69, then take it to ##windows please04:16
MaSa69k04:16
MaSa69ty04:16
valorieperhaps people don't know the /list command04:20
valorieyou can find your items of interest by typing /list interest04:21
bazhangvalorie, that's not a good one; /msg alis list *term*  is, however04:21
valoriewhatever that interest might be04:21
bazhang  /list will cause many irc clients to overload and quit04:21
valorieby itself, sure04:21
bazhangso best to follow the alis usage instead04:21
valorieyou want to filter by putting in something04:22
Deamonsoulhow much damage can be caused my xbox games landing on a keyboard, about 10 or them from a foor and a half - 2 feet?04:26
Deamonsoulits a laptop04:26
Deamonsoullol i forgot the important part04:26
bazhangDeamonsoul, using kubuntu?04:26
dasKreechbazhang: lol04:28
bazhangDeamonsoul, try #defocus04:28
dasKreechDeamonsoul: I think that the Xbox stands more chance of damage04:28
dasKreechhi bigbrovar04:28
bigbrovardasKreech: Hi04:30
dasKreechhow are you?04:35
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nikhil_when i open amarok via krunner, it crashes plasma (which restarts) and then continues running fine. anybody seen this behaviour before?04:55
dasKreechCan I use apt/dpkg to test if a file has changed since it was installed?04:56
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dasKreechnikhil_: Well Amarok uses Libplasma perhaps there is a discrepancy?04:57
rapidspdasKreech: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade ?04:58
nikhil_dasKreech: what kind of discrepancy04:58
dasKreechrapidsp: Hmm?04:58
nikhil_rapidsp: i think he means one specific file04:58
nikhil_?04:58
dasKreechnikhil_: I dunno that's the only thing I can think of that would make amarok crash plasma shell04:58
rapidspoops04:58
dasKreechnikhil_: Which version of each?05:02
rapidspwhy quassel dont save panels setting after restart?05:05
valorierapidsp: did you shut down quassel, or just restart without doing so?05:08
rapidspvalorie: after restart PC for example05:09
valoriemost apps save state on shutdown05:09
valorieso if you don't shut them down, they won't save state05:09
rapidspi think too05:10
rapidspits not right...05:10
rapidspok.... trying now....05:10
valoriethat's the way apps work05:10
valorieas I recall, even in Windows05:11
valoriealthough that was many years ago.....05:11
valorielol05:11
nikhil_dasKreech: amarok 2.3.2, plasma...how do i check plasma version?05:11
rapidspvalorie: yea... after quassel down only it saved :)05:12
dasKreechnikhil_: plasma-desktop --version ?05:13
nikhil_dasKreech: 0305:15
dasKreechMine as well05:19
valoriesame here05:20
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eagles0513875hey guys06:30
cxoIs there a kubuntu live disc with amarok-1x installed on it? (Doesnt have to be the latest ubuntu)06:30
eagles0513875how can i get an hp lasterjet p1102w working on lucid?06:30
bazhangeagles0513875, check linuxprinting.org first step06:31
eagles0513875ok06:32
eagles0513875bazhang: doesnt look like its in the db :(06:34
bazhangeagles0513875, let me check06:34
eagles0513875bazhang: i know i can download the hplip package from the hp site but it always seems to fail to install06:34
valoriewasn't there a project awhile ago to do KDE3.x updates?06:36
valoriethat would presumably have the old Amarok06:36
valorieproject emerald, or diamond, or something like that06:37
bazhanghttp://ubuntu-virginia.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1479670 eagles0513875 post #206:37
bazhangvalorie, kde3.5 team? yes06:37
valoriethat was for cxo06:39
valoriedunno if they have a liveCD though06:39
cxovalorie, apparently kubuntu 8.10 was the last release with amarok-1.4.10 I'm downloading the live cd right now06:40
dasKreechvalorie: project trinity06:41
* eagles0513875 pokes dasKreech with a skreech :p06:42
valorietrinity!06:42
valoriethat's it06:42
eagles0513875odd now it seems to be installing the hplip stuff last i tried it would error on install06:42
* dasKreech pokes eagles0513875 with a dormouse06:42
eagles0513875no poking with peripherals plz06:43
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valoriegood luck with that, cxo06:44
* valorie <3 the newest Amarok from git06:44
eagles0513875valorie: i love version 2 as well06:45
cxoI'm not actually going to use it. I just want to double check how it did a few things from a user's point of view06:46
valoriecool!06:46
cxomy gtk clone is almost ready for the wild world, wanted to align some of the behavior06:46
eagles0513875cxo: viva vms right lol06:47
valoriethis is like a..... Gnome branch?06:47
eagles0513875bazhang: :) thanks seems like even hp for this printer didnt have right link or somethign to hplip[06:48
eagles0513875bazhang: is it possible for ubuntu to keep pushign newer versions of hplip as they become available after release?06:48
cxovalorie, http://amatory.sourceforge.net/public/images/screenshots/Screenshot-3.png06:52
valorietrippy!06:52
michael_gi want to deinstall postgres server completely. does anyone know what addional must be done, after remove with the packet manager?06:57
michael_gkubuntu 10.10 postgres 8.406:59
mascihi und zwar hätte ich eine Frage zu Kubuntu 10.10, benutze es erst ein paar Tage und bin eig. sehr zufrieden damit, aber ich suche eine Funktion bzw Möglichkeit die Desktop-Icons nach einem Gitter oder  ähnlichem anzuordnen07:18
masciunter einer älteren kubuntu version hab ich die Möglichkeit noch gefunden, aber hier leider nicht, oder ich bin einfach zu blind:)07:18
mascigoogle habe ich schon bemüht, aber hat mir auch nicht viel gebracht07:19
valoriemasci: try #Kubuntu-de07:20
masciok thx, thougt i would've been in the right channel :) shame on me..07:21
valoriemasci, this is for english-speakers07:24
valorieyou might find a few German-speakers here by chance07:24
mascivector: ok thanks, or might i try to post my question in english here?07:25
valoriejust trying to steer you to the best place for help07:25
valoriesure, that's fine07:25
masciok i'll try, don't laugh about my bad englisch :)07:25
valoriegotta be better than my Deutsche!07:25
mascii've been using kubuntu 10.10 for a few day's now, and i'm quite happy about it. but one problem that i have is that my desktop/workspace is very untidy07:26
mascii am looking for a possibility to sort the icons by a grid oder something like that07:26
valorieif you right-click on the desktop, you can do that07:27
masciok, i tried so, but where exactly?07:27
valoriedesktop settings07:27
masciok but there i can only change my background, mouse gestures etc.07:28
valoriehmmm, not seeing the snap to grid thing07:28
mascinothing else07:28
valorielet me look07:28
valorieanother possibility is creating activities, so that you only have the stuff you want for a particular activity07:29
valoriechecking the weather and headlines, for instance07:29
valorieworking07:29
mascii just want the same space between the icons, but if that works, that would be fine too07:29
valorieplaying music07:29
valorieok, sec07:29
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mascijo thanks :)07:29
valorieI must tell you though, that icons on the desktop are going away07:31
valorieunless you opt for folder-view07:31
masciok and how can i do that?07:31
valorieI don't have icons on the desktop any more07:31
kyubutsufolderview is a widget!  :D07:31
masciokay and how do you manage your shortcuts?07:32
valorieDesktop settings > Activities > folder View07:32
valorieI think once you have that view, then you can snap to a grid07:33
valoriehaven't tried that since I upgraded though07:33
masciah okay thanks that also looks great and good for me07:33
valoriewhat sort of shortcuts?07:33
valorieI use the kmenu for most things07:33
mascino sorry i think shortcuts was the wrong expression07:33
eagles0513875!skype07:34
ubottuTo install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype - To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto - Please use open protocols instead if you can, see !Ekiga07:34
mascii think this solutions here is also great for me07:34
valorielike for files and stuff, I just use Dolphin07:34
valoriecool!07:34
valorieglad I could help07:34
masciyeah thanks ;)07:34
valorieyou are very welcome07:34
mascigreat support around here!07:34
valorieand your English is great07:34
valorie:-)07:34
mascilol okay thanks:)07:35
StrongOrderHello guys! Does anyone know how can I configure VLC so that it uses QT by default. Currently it uses gtk widgets and colors..07:37
moetunesstart it with   vlc -I qt07:40
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StrongOrdermoetunes: is that L in there as a parameter? it does not work here07:42
moetunesStrongOrder:  nope it is a capital eye07:42
StrongOrdermoetunes: ahm, still the same, gtk...07:43
StrongOrderdoes it work for you? I still see brown (ubuntu) colors07:44
moetunesStrongOrder:  yep it works here07:45
moetunesStrongOrder:  you could try this from the vlc --help   --qt-display-mode {0 (Classic look), 1 (Complete look with information area), 2 (Minimal look with no menus)}  Selection of the starting mode and look07:47
moetunesso   vlc --qt-display-mode 007:48
StrongOrdernope, does not work. Maybe it's because my vlc is built with gtk ?07:49
StrongOrderbecause, in intefaces menu I cannot see qt os similar07:49
moetunestry using the -vv switch with -I qt to see why it won't work07:50
moetunesafaik qt is the default for vlc07:51
StrongOrdermoetunes: nope, here is the oputput :( http://dpaste.org/jVwJ/07:53
moetunesk07:53
StrongOrderit opens files using kde dialog, but displays it in gtk :) ugly07:55
moetunesyou haven't set something in the config or the lua scripts to use gtk?07:57
StrongOrderno, not manually, but I'm using ubuntu with kde installed, so that must me something related to that07:58
moetunescheck with the folk in #videolan - I'm sure it should be an easy fix07:59
StrongOrderthank you very much, i took your time07:59
moetunesnp:)08:00
sresuNeed help with KWin(Desktop effects). Few minutes after using it, the screen hangs probably with certain processes running. On Ctrl+Alt+F1, GPU is found to be hanged or some error with GPU. How to fix it?08:12
moetunessounds like it might be temperature related...08:14
sresumoetunes: As in?08:15
sresumoetunes: Can any command or log help you identify it properly?08:16
moetunessresu:  it is a guess that the gpu is getting hot and protecting itself - there might be something for your card to monitor the temp, it depends on the card08:17
sresumoetunes: What all things are required for KWin to function properly?08:17
sresumoetunes: If I'm right, desktop effects by default are handled by Kwin and not Compiz08:18
moetunessresu:  yep kwin does the effects and all you should need is a default kubuntu install08:19
sresumoetunes: I mean the minimum hardware requirements08:19
sresu..08:19
moetuneswhich leads me to beleive it might be hardware08:19
sresumoetunes:  Yeah. There used to be a command to know the graphic drivers etc. I forgot it08:20
sresugrep !08:20
moetunessresu:  if the card can use the dri module it should be fine - the cpu might work harder if the card is lower end tho08:20
moetunessresu:  lspci | grep -i vga08:20
sresumoetunes: I don't know how to check it08:20
valoriesresu: what sort of vid. card?08:21
sresumoetunes:  00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)08:21
sresuIntel Chipset08:21
valoriehttp://kde-look.org/content/show.php/nvidia%20video%20card%20temp%20monitor?content=2384408:21
sresuNothing like Nvidia or radeon08:21
sresuOh. valorie. Hi! :)08:22
moetunesI doubt there is a temp measurer for intel08:22
sresumoetunes: Yeah.. It isn't08:22
valoriehttp://www.techpowerup.com/realtemp/08:22
valoriethere is!08:22
sresuHuh?08:22
sresuLemme see08:22
moetunesthere is an issue with some intel chips and kwin iirc - the 945G chip reports it does stuff that it doesn't really do for example08:23
sresuSo I should be downloading that program?08:23
valoriesupport is win-only though08:23
valorie:(08:23
eagles0513875hey guys is anyond else having issues with themes and theming08:23
valoriewhich probably means it has .dlls and crap08:23
moetunesit might be the 945GM chip08:23
eagles0513875valorie:  and moetunes i know there are some bugs with the intel gpus again08:23
sresuvalorie: moetunes: Umm.. I'm not able to understand the causes of problems properly08:23
moetunessresu:  it works ok without the desktop effects?08:24
sresumoetunes: Yes, perfectly fine08:24
eagles0513875moetunes: what exactly is happening08:25
valoriehttp://aptosid.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&p=232908:25
valoriemight help08:25
moetuneseagles0513875:  sresu has his gpu shutdown after a few minutes running the desktop effects08:25
eagles0513875im wondering if its related to the intel gpu bugs that have resurfaced08:26
moetunesI was thinking that - or a temp prob08:26
eagles0513875i might have stumbled on something rather interesting but not desktop effects related08:26
eagles0513875moetunes: was thinking temp prob too08:26
valorieI have the hardware temp sensor widget08:26
eagles0513875valorie: how accurate are they08:26
valoriethe vid. card seems hotter than everything else08:27
sresuvalorie: What's the name?08:27
valorieit's just a dial for each of them08:27
sresuKDE w/o KWin looses the look and feel effect :(08:27
valorieHardware Temperature08:27
valorieand it's a widget I put onto the desktop08:28
eagles0513875if its a laptop he should get a can of compressed air and blow it out08:28
sresueagles0513875: Desktop PC08:28
valoriesresu is female, as am I08:28
valoriewe're not all guys here.....08:28
sresu:)08:28
valorieI don't think it's dust08:29
sresuvalorie: Hardware Temperature shows only MB and CPU temperarture here08:29
valorieI just have a wimpy card, I think08:29
valorieevery once in awhile, it gets rather s l o w08:29
valorieprobably because it's hot08:29
eagles0513875just figured out how to fine tune my performance issues i was having with graphical effects and desktop effects off08:30
valoriesresu: that aptosid link above talks about adding more sensors08:30
eagles0513875valorie: i wonder though if the gpu isnt powerful enough to handle it08:30
valorieI have 308:30
sresuDisabling really does affect performance08:30
valoriedidn't change anything....08:30
eagles0513875what if under application appearence then style then fine tuning you change the graphical effects08:30
sresueagles0513875: Yes, its the default chipset. Nothing much can be expected from it unless one have Nvidia or radeon08:31
valorieit would be nice if there was a tut. somewhere telling you what each choice does for you08:31
valoriemine is supposedly radeon08:31
valoriebut......08:31
eagles0513875im having some really interesting desktop rendering issues at times it it becomes really sluggish redrawing the icons i have on the bottom08:31
eagles0513875my desktop is nvidia08:31
sresuvalorie: Yeah I'm going through the link08:31
pennyhi08:31
sresuvalorie: You got AMD architecture, I suppose08:32
valorieSysinfo for 'valorie-HP-Pavilion-dv7-Notebook-PC': Linux 2.6.35-22-generic running KDE Development Platform 4.5.3 (KDE 4.5.3), CPU: AMDTurionX2Dual-CoreMobileRM-74 at 550 MHz (4389 bogomips), HD: 86/371GB, RAM: 3483/3708MB, 189 proc's, 11.17h up08:32
valorieyep08:33
eagles0513875nice nice08:33
sresuCool!08:33
eagles0513875i wont start processor wars in here08:33
sresuHelp me resolve it... please08:33
eagles0513875sresu: does it still happen if you disable the desktop effects08:33
Machtinsooo.. does /dev/random give out TRUE random numbers?08:33
valorieI wouldn't fight to defend this laptop architecture08:33
valorielol08:33
sresueagles0513875: No08:33
eagles0513875Machtin: ?08:34
eagles0513875valorie: lol im pro intel whats funny is amd uses intel registers in their cpus08:34
eagles0513875so techincally your getting a lower performing cpu with intel tech in it08:34
Machtineagles0513875: anything there that i could explain better? :)08:34
eagles0513875Machtin: whats are you exactly trying to do08:34
Machtincreating a truly random integer.08:35
eagles0513875Machtin: and this is using kubuntu to do it08:35
Machtinyup.. however, it's not really kubuntu-specific08:35
Machtinbut I'm doing it on a kubuntu-machine, so yeah.08:36
eagles0513875have you asked in the programming channel?08:36
MachtinNope, it's actually off-topic in a programming channel, i'd say.08:36
Machtinat least for platform-independent languages08:37
eagles0513875what programming language are you trying to do this in08:37
eagles0513875wowy the dark wonton theme has really improved08:38
Machtinc++, but i don't really need true random numbers.. i'll use urandom08:38
Machtini'm just curious whether /dev/random is truly random.08:38
eagles0513875Machtin: ask in c++ this channel is more for kubuntu specific issues08:38
eagles0513875Machtin: i honestly dont know08:39
Machtini see. :) i'll try the linux-channel then. thanks anyway.08:39
sresumoetunes: valorie: eagles0513875:  http://pastebin.com/5uCQpvQ708:40
moetunessresu:  I think you need a specific sensor app for the graphics08:44
moetunesI could be wrong tho08:44
sresumoetunes: Like?08:44
sresuvalorie?08:45
moetunessresu:  it's not something I have ever bothered with - that link you gave did not mention anything about the graphics08:45
valorieinteresting08:45
valoriebut yeah, I didn't see anything there that says graphics to me08:46
valorienot that I know anything special about it08:46
sresuvalorie: After Mamarok suggested about vlc backend to Amarok, these things started becomming worse and that is what probably made Amarok to crash upon exit randomly08:46
valorieright, but supposedly markey has fixed that08:47
sresumoetunes: valorie: Whats should be the command for that?08:47
valorieI'm unable to build vlc from source though08:47
valoriegit keeps hanging up on me08:47
valoriemost annoying08:47
sresuYeah.. likewise08:47
moetunessresu:  command for what sorry ?08:48
sresugraphics details08:48
valorieI wonder if they allow anonymous access to videolan git08:48
moetunessresu:  I don't think there is a standard command for the gpu temp08:48
sresuOkay, then I think I should not use Desktop effects08:49
eagles0513875sresu: i would recommend against it if you know its causing you problems08:50
sresutill my new netbook with a better graphic card comes08:50
eagles0513875i know for me08:50
eagles0513875on login plasma workspace would crash for me with them on08:50
eagles0513875this is on a desktop im talking about08:50
sresuOh..08:50
eagles0513875tbh desktop effects are still buggy08:50
eagles0513875im tempted to turn them back on but i have had such a stable and trouble free system so far, with rekonq crashing once in a blue moon but on the hole rather rock solid system for a change08:51
eagles05138754 days of stability and counting08:51
sresuAnyways, I'll find it and since its most likely hardware related08:51
sresu4 days alone08:51
sresu!08:51
sresuKubuntu is not that radioactive!! :P08:52
eagles0513875ha dude you do not know what i went through to get maverick installed on my system08:52
sresukk08:52
eagles0513875live cd gives me hell about reading files etc which probably means my cd drive is on the way out08:52
eagles0513875but then again i was installing to a single 2tb partition08:53
sresuvalorie: What was markey's suggestion for vlc backend over Xine?08:53
eagles0513875after using a 500gb partition with lvm08:53
eagles0513875everythign was fine cept for kde but thankis to the help of a fellow user i got kde working08:53
valoriebuilding from source, where he fixed the problem08:53
valorieI'm no longer on #phonon, so I don't know exactly what he fixed08:54
sresuvalorie: But will removing it and preferring Xine would probably stop crashing Amarok on exit. Hmm?08:54
hp_ciao08:55
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valorieyou don't have to remove it, just prefer Xine08:55
moetunes!it | hp_08:55
eagles0513875moetunes: i win :p08:55
moetunesheh08:55
sresuvalorie: Yeah. Okay.. For a while I'll forget the problems with .aac then08:56
sresuThanks08:58
eagles0513875!kvm09:02
ubottukvm is the preferred virtualization approach in Ubuntu. For more information see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM09:02
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eagles0513875hey guys have any of you run kvm09:15
moetunesI still use vbox here09:16
moetuneseagles0513875:  is there an issue?09:17
moetunesfound this - www.linux-kvm.org/page/HOWTO09:17
eagles0513875moetunes: no no im following the wiki tutorial09:19
eagles0513875so far so good09:19
eagles0513875just curious if there is a gui based front end for it09:19
moetuneseagles0513875:  aqemu seems to be one09:20
eagles0513875moetunes: reason im asking is this is my first time setting it up09:20
eagles0513875want to run some tests before i possibly setup a cloud for my business09:21
moetuneseagles0513875:  in www.google.com/linux I searched for   howto kvm   and there was stuff about setting up a cloud09:22
eagles0513875moetunes: thanks i need to get my hands on a machine before i consider doing it09:23
eagles0513875have only one machine atm09:23
moetuneseagles0513875:  http://kernelnews.com/articles/2010/linuxdesktopvirtualization2.html09:24
eagles0513875thanks moetunes :)09:25
moetunesnp :)09:26
eagles0513875this looks promising09:26
eagles0513875does kvm allow one to install a guest from an iso img09:26
moetunesno idea :)09:27
cxoeagles0513875, sure, kvm is just a framework. its up to the client like qemu to allow those things09:34
eagles0513875ahh ok09:35
DiogenesWi'll be back ...09:47
moetunesno arnie impersinations pls...09:48
Insomniac_How to change system fonts?10:03
moetunesshould be in system settings somewhere10:06
kyubutsusystemsettings, down to systemadministration>font installer10:07
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lolo_list10:47
moetuneslolo_:  it's not that sort of channel - what are you looking for?10:49
jjman6_i upgraded my nvidia drivers but now things aren't working.   The error log says that the Nvidia kernel version does not match the driver version.  how can i also update the kernel version.10:50
moetunesreboot might work10:51
jjman6_also, nvidia-settings is completely useless in the matter as it won't let me configure anything because its botched.10:51
jjman6_i've rebooted a dozen times  lol10:51
jjman6_i've tweaked the xorg.conf  to no effect10:51
moetunesk :)10:51
jjman6_it won't even let me run my old xorg.conf b4 i upgraded.   so i had to resort to generic just to get into X10:52
moetunesmaybe the install didn't update the kernel - tried reinstalling the driver10:52
feng_try a new dirver10:52
moetunes?10:52
jjman6_i've installed it twice10:53
jjman6_;-)10:53
feng_you can find your driver in novia.com10:53
jjman6_feng_:  its the newest version.  290.19.2110:53
moetunestime for a diff driver then - newest isn't always best10:53
feng_No the newest version is the best10:53
jjman6_thats the whole point.  I grabbed the newest version and its broken things because the kernel is now out of sync10:53
feng_what's your video card?10:54
jjman6_250GTS10:54
feng_note book?10:54
jjman6_negatory10:54
jjman6_shouldn't the nvidia installer update the kernel version also.  thats what i don't understand10:57
jjman6_i wasn't even aware there were 2 version to be running10:57
feng_32bit?10:57
jjman6_64b10:57
jjman6_runnin Kubuntu 10.1010:57
feng_http://www.nvidia.co.uk/object/linux-display-amd64-260.19.21-driver-uk.html10:58
feng_is this ?10:58
jjman6_thats what i DL'd yes10:58
feng_have you installed the linux-source?10:59
jjman6_errr no i don't think so11:00
jjman6_not sure what u refer too11:00
feng_and the linux-headers-*11:00
jjman6_I've updated latest updates.  which included headers11:01
jjman6_2.6.35-22-generic11:01
moetunesif you have installed the nvidias drivers before ok then it must be something with this driver afaik11:04
feng_this issue happened, at most time,because of the kernel upgrade11:06
jjman6_mhmm11:06
jjman6_so how do i force it to upgrade the kernel11:07
EruaranIf you install nvidia drivers from nvidia's website, if there is a kernel upgrade you will lose your nvidia drivers and have to isntall them again11:07
EruaranIf you install nvidia drivers from the repositories this wont happen11:07
moetunesI thought they fixed that...11:08
valoriehow can they?11:08
valoriesticking with the repositories is the safe way to go11:08
bazhangyou still might need to go into low res mode even if installed from hardware drivers. for nvidia and maverick better to use the open source driver11:09
jjman6_so i should uninstall nvidia's and install the ones in repo?11:09
bazhangjjman6_, yes11:09
Eruaranjjman6_: yes install the nvidia drivers from the repositories11:10
jjman6_lol & how might i uninstall.    can i just install over the top from repo11:10
valorieif you look in your original download from nvidia, there might be an uninstaller11:11
valorieit's irresponsible to distribute without one11:11
jjman6_its just a single file  .run11:12
jjman6_so i'm looking at the repo.  and nvidia-current & nvidia-common are both already installed11:12
Eruaranjust purge any nvidia stuff thats already installed11:12
Eruaranthen install from the repo11:12
jjman6_whatya know it has an uninstaller  just add --uninstall  worked  ;-)11:17
Eruarancool11:17
jjman6_so what exactly do i n eed from the rpo.  cause it looks like everything is alredy installed11:19
jjman6_repo11:19
kiosfossassalamualaikum11:19
jjman6_should i just reinstall the nvidia-current & -common11:19
kiosfosshowto install font11:20
jjman6_teh repo version is rather out of date  260.19.0611:21
jjman6_rebootin11:27
dbc254STILL trying to get my wireless PCI card on my desktop to work. It's installed, driver installed, no wireless tab.  What's wrong?11:31
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dbc254anybody alive in here?11:59
bazhangyep11:59
moetunesdbc254:  yep - but I don't do wireless11:59
moetuness/do/use/12:00
moetunesdbc254:  it's a quiet channel atm - no need for a pm12:01
dbc254trying a command-mode irc client. Are these preferred to the gui ones?12:01
bazhangdbc254, just personal like or dislike12:02
bazhangweechat irssi vs. xchat/quassel/etc etc12:02
dbc254this seems quicker12:02
bazhangdbc254, irssi or weechat12:03
dbc254irssi was suggested, so I'm trying it. was running Qassel?12:03
bazhangdbc254, try with screen then12:03
bazhang!screen12:03
ubottuScreen is a window manager for terminal sessions, also useful over SSH. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Screen12:03
bazhangwhoops wrong one12:03
dbc254just type !screen12:03
dbc254!screen12:04
bazhangdbc254, no use screen with irssi12:04
dbc254um, how?12:04
bazhangdbc254, let me find a guide, hang on a second12:05
bazhanghttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/Irssi#Irssi%20with%20screen  dbc25412:06
dbc254installing screen12:10
simoneciao12:12
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moetunes!it | simone12:12
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tim_server: irc.gimp.org12:28
tim_irc.gimp.org12:28
moetunestry   /server etc12:29
tim_I must be missing something in the command.12:30
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annihilatorwhy cant i d/l a windows program in kubuntu12:31
moetunestim_:  try   /server    with no colon12:32
nicolaubuntu-it12:34
moetunesnicola:  try   /join #ubu8ntu-it12:34
moetunesnicola:  try   /join #ubuntu-it12:34
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tim_can anyone tell me how to change servers and channels? I'm trying to get to irc.gnome.org and #gnucash12:42
moetunestim_:  it should be   /server irc.gnome.org12:43
moetunesif that server exists12:43
tim_nothing seems to change when I use the /server command12:43
moetunesis there a gnome.org server? - it doesn't show in my network list12:44
tim_how about a gimp.org server?  where do i find a list of servers?12:45
moetunesI connected to that server before with   /server irc.gimp.org12:45
tim_when I hit enter the line just dissappears12:46
palihello12:46
moetunestim_:  open a new server tab maybe - I'm connected there now12:47
palidoes anybody know similar soft to whereisit for linux - KDE enviroment?12:47
tim_ok. how do i open a new server tab? sorry i'm very new12:47
moetunestim_:  there should be an option in your irc clients menu somewhere12:48
moetunesin xchat it is under the xchat menu item12:48
tim_i'm using quassel12:49
moetunesI don't know quassel - check in the menu if it has one12:49
moetunes30 ppl in #gnucash12:50
tim_maybe I'll go install xchat12:50
moetunestim_:  is there a freenode tab in quassel - errors will be there12:50
loo0oolahi12:54
loo0oolai'm new to use kubuntu12:54
loo0oolairealy love it12:54
loo0oolai have been ud=sed ubuntu form 200912:54
loo0oolathis first time i used kubuntu12:55
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apparlehey guys, some one please send me a private message after a 10 seconds, I am trying to test a setting of quassel13:01
apparlehi guys wassp13:04
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mfraz74Any idea what oxygen-demo is for?13:17
bazhang!find oxygen-demo13:18
ubottuFile oxygen-demo found in kdebase-workspace-bin, kdebase-workspace-dbg13:18
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bazhang!info kdebase-workspace-bin13:18
ubottukdebase-workspace-bin (source: kdebase-workspace): core binaries for the KDE 4 base workspace module. In component main, is optional. Version 4:4.5.1-0ubuntu8 (maverick), package size 1979 kB, installed size 10376 kB13:18
mfraz74Is it supposed to demo oxygen or for some other reason?13:19
apparlewhen I run it, it shows various gui element demos13:23
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BluesKajHowdy folks13:27
mfraz74apparle: I like the scroll wheel13:28
apparlemfraz74: it is more like a volume wheel13:29
mfraz74true13:29
mfraz74haven't seen it used in any apps13:30
apparleI don't see much use as such13:30
* eagles0513875 has just come to the conclusion that kvm rocks13:30
eagles0513875does anyone know if kvm allows a user to setup guests on a remote system using aqemu13:30
apparlemfraz74:  I personally don't like to use a wheel over a slider... with a mouse13:31
eagles0513875hey guys quick question im testing out kvm on kubuntu, but i have a server which is running ubuntu-server. does anyone know if aqemu will support setting up of guests on a remote machine?13:31
phoenix_firebrdhello everyone14:03
phoenix_firebrdanyone using bluedevil14:03
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astronauthello15:31
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janet_sound stopped working a while ago on this machine... can anyone help in diagnosing and fixing this?15:49
outlooperFireFox 3.6.12 on Kubuntu: When I right-click to open a downloaded file using the FF downloaded file window, I can't open the file or the download directory.15:50
outlooperFireFox 3.6.12 on Kubuntu 10.10 : When I right-click to open a downloaded file using the FF downloaded file window, I can't open the file or the download directory.15:52
KukuNutopen dolphin instead15:54
janet_is there any way to reset the sound driver/settings back to default, or autodetect like on the first installation?15:56
outlooperI know I can open dolphin instead but navigation is easier of ff will directlu open the folder15:56
BluesKajoutlooper, place dolphin in the panel15:58
BluesKajjanet_, have you upgraded lately15:58
janet_BluesKaj: it's on lucid, all up to date15:59
BluesKajyes janet_ your update could have reset your alsamixer ctrls and the main could be muted or turned off16:00
outlooper<BluesKaj> thank you, but thats not much help.  I use downthemall too, and want to open folders directly.16:00
janet_BluesKaj: in kmix, Master is unmuted and with high volume, and nothing else jumps out as incorrect - what should I try?16:00
KukuNutjanet_: in systemsettings->multimedia  there is a 'default' button16:01
BluesKajjanet_, try system settings/multimedia /phonon test16:01
janet_KukuNut: ok, I click it and nothing happens16:02
janet_BluesKaj: I don't see a phonon test, just a Test button. clicking it shows it pressed for several seconds, but nothing is heard16:03
KukuNutjanet_: you might need to reboot16:03
KukuNutjanet_: you need to select phonon and then 'test'16:03
janet_KukuNut: it doesn't even let me press the Apply button, as in nothing changed (after pressing Defaults)16:04
janet_where do I select phonon?16:04
KukuNutjanet_: select phonon and then select device and then test16:04
janet_KukuNut: I don't see phonon anywhere, where is it supposed to show up?16:05
KukuNutin multimedia16:05
BluesKajjanet_, which kubuntu version are you running ?16:06
janet_I'm at the multimedia page, I see 'Device Preference' with a few categories, and Intel something and Jack Audio Connection Kit on the second pane. On the second 'Backend' tab there's xine, and nothing selectable16:06
KukuNutjanet_: if you don't see phonon on the left most pane then that could be your problem16:06
janet_KukuNut: is it supposed to show as one of the categories under Audio Output, or a top-level section on it's own?16:07
janet_(btw I don't recall seeing that on any other system either, where everything works. also apt-get install phonon shows it's already installed.)16:08
BluesKajjanet_,I'll ask again,  which kubuntu version are you running ?16:08
janet_I'll answer again: Lucid, all up to date :-)16:08
BluesKajjanet_, and alsamixer shows which audio card ?16:10
janet_BluesKaj: Intel ICH516:11
janet_hold on, I'll reboot in case something did change16:13
micha__Hi, I am trying to configure a vpnc connection using the network manager plasmoid. However, after having it configured, nothing happens when I click on the connection. Any idea?16:16
janet_still no sound16:19
janet_BluesKaj: any other ideas?16:21
BluesKaj!intelhda || janet_16:22
ubottu| janet_: For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto16:22
janet_BluesKaj: thanks, I'll check it out16:22
janet_BluesKaj: The instructions seem outdated, but I managed to find the chip is AD1985 - however it doesn't appear in the HD-Audio-Models.txt list...16:27
janet_does that mean support was dropped for it in lucid or something like that?16:28
BluesKajjanet_,  there's a bug in launchpad about the Intel ICH5 , however the reported problem still  seems unresolved on 10.0416:30
janet_BluesKaj: :-(16:30
janet_BluesKaj: it worked on earlier releases16:31
janet_in ALSA-Configuration.txt.gz I found the line: ad_sharing  For AD1985, turn on OMS bit and use headphone (in section about quirks mode) - any idea what OMS is?16:31
janet_BluesKaj: hey I just got it to work!!16:32
janet_BluesKaj: very strangely, I set the headphones in kmix to mute, and this made the speakers work again!16:32
BluesKajjanet_, cool !16:33
janet_BluesKaj: thanks for your help :-)16:33
BluesKajheh, what help :)16:33
BluesKaj?16:33
janet_without finding that bit on using headphones in the file in the link you posted, I wouldn't have tried muting them16:33
BluesKajok , good16:34
janet_BluesKaj: I just hope I'll remember this someday when I notice the earphones are muted and won't know why... ;-)16:34
BluesKajjanet_, I was about to suggest upgrading to 10.10 unless you're tied to LTS releases16:35
janet_BluesKaj: I've had very bad experience upgrading lucid->maverick on my home pc, so I'm not too happy about upgrading my mom's machine (this one)...16:36
janet_it's much easier maintenance leaving it on LTS16:36
ughfres_Hello16:40
BluesKajjanet_, I've noticed that lucid and maverick have more HW kernel source problems than previous releases16:40
janet_BluesKaj: yes, on my other system the left mouse button stopped working. Talk about a showstopper...16:41
BluesKajbummer16:41
janet_BluesKaj: anyways, I'm outta here - thanks again16:49
BluesKajjanet_, NP , bye16:50
roxy_on my hp mini laptop my touchpad it wont right click.... how can i go about fixing that? it didnt work since i installed kubuntu...16:58
dasKreechroxy_: it has physical buttons and they don't work?17:22
dasKreechcheck out xev17:22
mordeskuhello17:24
mordeskuis in kubuntu 10.10 support for intel gma500 graphic chip?17:25
roxy_dasKreech:  ummm... not sure what you are talking about im kind of new to this all....... >.<17:29
BluesKajhey kkathman, dasKreech17:31
jasonluke1234567hello any one here18:13
jasonluke1234567i am looking for software18:13
tsimpsonlook in the package manager18:14
jasonluke1234567software for making gift cards, banners, certificates,18:14
dasKreechhi BluesKaj18:21
dasKreechroxy_: hi :) Ok does your touchpad have physical buttons?18:21
daniels_Hi, i've just downloaded kubuntu 10.10 Desktop CD, 32bit (md5 checked) and i'm trying to install in on a eMachines E525 laptop. Whan i boot from CD i just get a black screen with following message "ISOLINUX 4.01 debian-20100714 ETCD Copyright (C) 1994-2010 H. Peter Anvin et al" any ideeas what can i do?18:27
dasKreechhmm18:28
daniels_the CD works fine on my other laptop18:28
roxy_dasKreech: its like black all in one no button type thing like i see on other laptop.....18:29
dasKreechroxy_: k have you tried synaptics?18:31
dasKreechroxy_: alt+F2 -> touchpad -> press enter18:31
dasKreechdaniels_: Is there anything significant about the laptop?18:32
roxy_dasKreech: dnt think i have.... and did that...18:33
dasKreechroxy_: and you did the buttons section and didn't work?18:34
daniels_dasKreech: just average laptop, Intel Celeron 2.2GHz, 3GB DDR2, Mobile Intel GL40 Express Chipset. I had windows vista preinstalled on it.18:34
roxy_dasKreech:  is the button section is it under tapping?  if not there is nothing there to change i18:36
roxy_it*18:36
daniels_dasKreech: just tryed a old CD with ubuntu 8.04 and this boots, :( so is ths related just to KDE? don't both use the same boot loader? or maybe 10.10 uses a newer version of the bootloader that has issues... ?18:39
claydohdaniels_: it still could be the burned image not getting along with your optical drive. I suggest trying a burn at a slower speed or different media18:40
claydohdaniels_: even if the md5sum is good, the disk might have a spot that the drive may just be able to read well enough to procede18:41
daniels_i've tryied two methods: frist using a USB Stick, same thing. Then i burned the CD thinking that there is an issue with USB method18:41
daniels_i've made the USB stick using the usb-creator.exe from inside the downloaded iso18:43
daniels_this is really weird :(18:43
claydohdaniels_: sometimes the usb drives are not all good for booting, I have 4 different ones, and only one seems capable of booting a livecd iso18:44
claydohit is wierd, definitely18:44
dasKreechdaniels_: likely the kernel18:44
BluesKajdaniels_, maybe the cd you burned is faulty on this laptop but not on the other , due to a slightly more sensitive reader on the other cdrom18:44
claydohdaniels_: ^^ which is why trying a new burn at slower speed may help18:45
BluesKajI had that situation a few times18:45
daniels_guess this would be the only reasonable explanation18:45
daniels_i've burned at 16x, i'll try again at 4x18:46
dasKreechdaniels_: or the CD just hates certain CDs18:46
dasKreechI've had to drop my burn to 2x on a certain combo of a mobo cd drive and CD brand18:46
BluesKajyeah , I had probs with fuji media18:46
dasKreechIf I change anyone of the equation then I can speed up the burn and it works18:47
eagles0513875does the kubuntu live cd come with memtest?18:59
theannihilatorlast i checked yet18:59
theannihilatoryes18:59
eagles0513875ok18:59
sebastien_salut19:04
dasKreechhi sebastien_19:04
roxy_djustice:  *poke*19:07
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Roxy_djustice_f: *poke*20:12
bodomHi there.20:33
bodomNetwork manager displays my interfaces as "unmanaged". May someone help me make them work?20:33
roentgen_bodom: did you put anything in /etc/network/interfaces ?20:39
roentgen_server or desktop20:39
roentgen_?20:39
bodomroentgen_: desktop20:41
bodomroentgen_: on /etc/network/interfaces I have "auto lo \ iface lo inet loopback"20:42
roentgen_what type of network connection do you have?20:44
bodomi have one wired and one wireless connection. The wireless is the one that i'm more interested to make it work20:45
roentgen_check also the file in /var/lib/NetworkManager20:46
bodomroentgen_: it's a directory20:46
roentgen_there should be a file in it20:46
bodomNetworkmanager.state [main] \ NetworkingEnabled=false \ WirelessEnabled=true \ WWANEnabled=true20:47
roentgen_that false thing doen't look right20:48
roentgen_there's a checkbox for the that in the GUI20:49
bodommhhh20:49
bodomroentgen_: checked20:50
bodombut the file doesn't changed20:51
roentgen_hmm... try to stop kdm, modify the file to say true there and get back with kdm20:52
roentgen_stopping kdm will kill all your X apps20:52
bodomyep, I know20:52
bodomroentgen_: wow20:54
bodomit worked20:54
bodomI love brute force20:54
bodomI'm gonna check if it will still work after a reboot20:55
roentgen_great... what kde version20:55
bodommhhh20:55
bodomsome 4.x20:55
phoenix_firebrdhello everyone20:55
roentgen_open kate and check in help20:55
bodom4.5.120:55
roentgen_aha...20:56
roentgen_this must be it20:56
phoenix_firebrdany one using nokia mobiles?20:56
bodom?20:56
roentgen_I've seen this bug many times with older kdes but not recently20:56
roentgen_currently I'm on 4.5.320:56
bodomthis should be the lastest "official" kde in kubuntu20:57
TFroglast night i had my system lockup during the kdm splash phase of bootup.  couldn't even load Xwindows from the CLI.  i backed up the log files and reloaded.  upon examining the logs, i didn't see anything wrong during the boot process.  anyone have a similar issue?  btw.  it's kubuntu 10.4.1 with KDE 4.5.1 loaded on it.20:57
roentgen_yeah...20:57
roentgen_there's a ppa for kubuntu :)20:57
phoenix_firebrdkde 4.5.3 in backports20:57
TFrogphoenix_firebrd, that ppa for kde 4.5.3 is only for those running 10.10 and not for 10.04.120:58
bodomoh :) I usually stay away from backports: I work with that PC and I need it to be stable20:58
phoenix_firebrdTFrog: ya20:58
bodombtw, your fix survived reboot20:58
roentgen_bodom: in Linux current version is more stable :)20:58
bodomthat's a very nice thing. I was trying to fix that problem for a long time20:59
bodomty very much20:59
roentgen_you're welcome20:59
phoenix_firebrdTFrog: any conflicting dependencies20:59
TFrognon that i've seen.  nothing reported as broken.  it was strange that the logs didn't show any errors21:00
phoenix_firebrdTFrog: did you check with aptitude?21:00
TFrogi checked all over.  even checks some of the things that might have broke.  the system just didn't load kwin at all.  froze at the display icon after login21:01
bodomTFrog: maybe you can try creating a new user and logging in with that user21:02
phoenix_firebrdTFrog: if you have created backup of your data, why dont you reinstall plasma-desktop21:02
TFrogonly thing i can think was i ran a scan of the entire system with klamav before shutting down the last time before booting it later21:02
TFrogi just finished reloading it about 5 hours ago.  had a current backup thankfully21:03
phoenix_firebrdTFrog: you are not able to login even in cli mode?21:06
TFroglast night when i had the issue i was able to login with the cli.  then attempted to use the command "startx"  locked up in the same exact place21:06
phoenix_firebrdTFrog: so now you are a ble to login in cli mode21:07
TFrogno.  i reloaded 10.04.1 this morning and everything else.  haven't had an issue yet.  was curious if anyone else had this issue before that way i might have a fix should it happen again21:08
phoenix_firebrdTFrog: do you have the copy of the log files of the troubled installation, if yes, you could file a bug21:10
TFrogbtw.  while at the cli last night i unloaded clamav along with it's gui to see if that was causing the issue.  that didn't effect anything even after a reboot21:10
TFrogi forgot about that.  shame to.  i've already wiped them :(21:10
phoenix_firebrdTFrog: its ok21:12
TFroglesson learned i guess.  but i'll be keeping an eye on this install.  can't really run 10.10 worth a crap on this dinosaur laptop.  got the intel i8.xx chipset in it21:13
dutchwhere can I find the "terminal" in kubuntu 10.04 ?21:17
bdizzledutch, its listed under "konsole"21:18
dutchbdizzle, thanks...I'll look...need it to run telnet21:19
bdizzletelnet is a windows program... but okay21:20
dutchyeah,  but,  I run telnet for a amateur radio program...and I still can't find it21:21
bdizzlehmm21:21
bdizzle10.04, right?21:21
dutchyes21:21
dutchjust installed it21:21
bdizzleokay, from the k-menu bar, go to Applications -> System -> Terminal21:22
bdizzlethen just type in "telnet" and it will open21:22
dutchbdizzle, ok...got it now....wasn't there 15 minutes ago,  but had added a few more programs since then21:23
dutchyou can also "ALT-F2" and get it that way21:24
bdizzlethat too...21:25
bdizzleI keep forgetting about that function21:26
dutchbut,  it doesn't work for me....21:26
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dutchI can get a terminal up,  but when I try "dx.k1ttt.net"  it just says "invalid command"21:27
bdizzleyeah, I don't know how to use telnet to be honest, I've never used it21:27
dutchI used it just about every day on 9.04...an amateur radio cluster..it's a reporting system21:28
bdizzleokay, quick question. I've got a laptop with buttons along the side of the keyboard that do various things under windows. How do I map them to call up applications in kubuntu?21:31
kilogolfsixexit21:40
vladhello everyone21:56
vladcan someone please help me with a little problem?21:56
rysiek|plvlad: just state the problem; if somebody knows how to help, they will21:57
vladi want to use wireshark in kubuntu, i managed to get it work but when is opening the nasty old interface shows out21:58
vladcan i make it open using the kde styles an colors?21:58
jtduncanit looks like i'm in a bit of a bind now after upgrading kde 4.5.3.........22:01
jtduncanafter login, all i see is a black screen with the cursor.......22:01
jtduncanif i suspend compositing, i can see the background of the kde splash screen......22:01
jtduncanbut that's it22:01
phoenix_firebrdvlad: you there?22:01
jtduncanany ideas?22:02
vladyes22:02
vladhere22:02
phoenix_firebrdjtduncan: welcome22:02
phoenix_firebrdjtduncan: yesterday i had to same problem22:02
phoenix_firebrdjtduncan: resolved it22:02
vladsome ideas for me?22:03
jtduncanooh! how?!22:03
phoenix_firebrdvlad: is the wireshark a gtk app22:03
vladwireshark is a network monitor aplication22:04
vlada program like amarok22:04
vladwith graphical user interface22:04
phoenix_firebrdjtduncan: there is a conflicting package . a weather widget, that made the upgrader not to install the plasma -desktop for me22:04
jtduncanphoenix_firebrd: how did you resolve this?22:05
vladsome ideas?22:06
phoenix_firebrdvlad: install gtk2-engines-aurora and tell me22:06
vladthe program runs well when i`m not runing it like sudo but when i`m entering the sudo command the old interface is used22:07
vladi need to run it as sudo s-o it can detect my network interaces22:07
phoenix_firebrdjtduncan: i installed the aptitude that is not in kubuntu 10.10, installed plasma-desktop, in that process aptitude removed the conflecting package22:08
phoenix_firebrdjtduncan: do you know how to use aptitude right? if not tell me22:08
jtduncanyeah, that's fine......22:09
jtduncanit the whole part about how to connect to the internet without the nm widget........22:09
jtduncanthat has me stumped.......22:09
phoenix_firebrdjtduncan: have you resolved the problem?22:09
jtduncanno22:10
phoenix_firebrdjtduncan: live session?22:10
jtduncani can't do `aptitude install` because i don't have internet access22:10
jtduncanlive session?22:10
jtduncanhow do you mean?22:10
phoenix_firebrdjtduncan: are you using the livecd just for accessing the net now?22:11
jtduncanno22:11
jtduncani'm booted into my install22:11
jtduncani did alt+shift+f2 to get a command prompt22:11
phoenix_firebrdjtduncan: wait22:11
* jtduncan is waiting ^_^22:11
dutchbdizzle,  thanks for the help...got the telnet thing figured..22:12
phoenix_firebrdjtduncan: are you not able to use internet in commandline mode?22:12
jtduncanping google.com -> "unknown host"22:12
jtduncanping <my subnet host> -> "Network is unreachable"22:13
phoenix_firebrdjtduncan: ok22:13
phoenix_firebrdjtduncan: sorry i have no idea how to fix your network problem22:14
jtduncanphoenix_firebrd: is there a way i could download the package and provide it to apt-get without having to got the internet route?22:15
phoenix_firebrdjtduncan: i think you can. download the latest build of kubuntu and edit the pdate sources to look into the cd for updates22:16
moetunesI would try a new user first see if it has the same issue22:17
jtduncanhmmmm22:18
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yomguyHi all ! Ive got a bug on Kubuntu 10.10 on a touch netbook with a reversible screen : when I want to rotate the desktop with KrandRtray, the touch controller is not rotated and make it unusable. The USB mouse is well rotated. Not a big bug but I don't really know where to file the bug (Kubuntu, KDE, Xorg, Linux ?). Any help welcome ;)22:36
jtduncanphoenix_firebrd: thanks for your help!! ^_^22:37
jtduncani managed to get the computer connect to the network (from the cl, no less ^_^), and then installed plasma-desktop22:37
jtduncanyay!22:37
moetunesyomguy:  a way to find out what is the issue is to use xrandr in terminal to do the rotate - if that works then it is the kde app at fault - if not it is X22:37
phoenix_firebrdjtduncan: how did you connect to net in cl22:38
yomguymoetunes: thanks, I'll try this22:40
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phoenix_firebrdi have a problem sending files from computer to my mobile using bluetooth22:41
phoenix_firebrdcan anyone help me22:41
newboon2age_i probably can't help, but if you describe the problem in detail maybe someone will jump in with some help phoenix_firebrd22:42
phoenix_firebrdya sure22:42
yomguymoetunes: but how a touchscreen "mouse" can't be treated as any mouse by X ? Do you think there could be a link with the kernel driver that does not expose the touch screen as any mouse ?22:43
apparlewhy can't I install services in dolphin from the get new services?22:43
phoenix_firebrdi am using nokia 5800( s60 phone) and nokia 2690 (s40 phone), kubuntu 10.10, kde 4.5.3. i am not able to send files from my computer to my mobile phone using bluedevil22:44
moetunesyomguy:  I don't know anything about touchscreens sorry - I would think the rotation shouldn't matter22:45
phoenix_firebrdparing is possible from mobile , but not from computer, able to send file from mobile, but not the other way22:45
phoenix_firebrdi experiencing  this problem from kubuntu 9.04(that is my first linux install), bluetooth was working fine in windows using the bluesoliel packaged soft for my bluethooth hardware22:48
moetunesyomguy:  this seems like it worked - https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=10716722:48
phoenix_firebrdin 9.04 i was using bluesolil's linux app, but sadly the company droped support for linux22:49
phoenix_firebrdi informed to the bluedevl's developer, he said it should be working fine and asked me to file a bug report22:50
yomguymoetunes: oh yeah THANKS for the tip22:50
yomguymoetunes: I was indeed looking for xinput rules ;)22:51
moetunesseems to need some xset input22:51
moetunesoops xinput :)22:51
phoenix_firebrdi had a doubt that if it was a problem with the distribution and so tried with suse kde. same problem was present there too22:51
phoenix_firebrdif any other person has the same problem , then i will file a bug report or if you feel that you have a solution kindly help22:53
yomguymoetunes: ok, i'll try this, and maybe file a bug to X then ;)22:53
apparlephoenix_firebrd: what is your problem22:57
apparleyomguy: and how does bluetooth relate to X22:57
apparleyomguy: forget it... I confused :)22:58
phoenix_firebrdnot able to send files from my computer to my mobile22:58
yomguyapparle: no pb ;)22:58
phoenix_firebrdusing bluetooth22:58
apparlephoenix_firebrd: what is happening?22:58
apparlephoenix_firebrd: when you  say you are not able to... did you try restarting?22:59
phoenix_firebrdapparle: bluedevil ->send file-->select mobile device. the copying notification popup and shows the copy speed as 0 kb/sec and remains.23:00
apparlephoenix_firebrd: Back when I used it in 10.04, it used to sometimes stop working until a restart... but I don't have the dongle to check in 10.1023:01
phoenix_firebrdapparle: tried restarting, no use23:01
phoenix_firebrdapparle: what phone model?23:01
apparlephoenix_firebrd: that doesn't matter... when it stopped. it stopped with all phones23:01
apparlephoenix_firebrd: do you receive anything?23:02
phoenix_firebrdapparle: ya, i can23:02
phoenix_firebrdapparle: i can even pair from the phone23:02
moetunesphoenix_firebrd:  seen this - http://lovinglinux.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8406201 ?23:02
moetuneshas the opposite prob to you...23:03
apparlephoenix_firebrd: try delete the pairing on phone, and on computer (if bluedevil has any...)23:03
phoenix_firebrdmoetunes: tried those thing,not working. i am getting an error with sdp browse command , can you help me with that23:03
phoenix_firebrdapparle: did that23:04
apparlephoenix_firebrd: do you get the confirmation message on phone.23:04
phoenix_firebrdapparle: that is the problem, no messages of any kind in mobile23:04
moetunesI don't know what "sdp browse command" is...23:05
phoenix_firebrdmoetunes: ok23:05
apparlephoenix_firebrd: at least the bluetooth icon on 5800 change to bluetooth doing communication?23:05
phoenix_firebrdapparle: ya23:05
apparlephoenix_firebrd: :D at least your computer is sending something to the phone :P23:06
phoenix_firebrdapparle: i think its trying to communicate with the mobile23:07
phoenix_firebrdapparle: i think all nokia phones have this problem23:07
apparlephoenix_firebrd: does it work on other phones?23:07
phoenix_firebrdapparle: i tried with nokia 5800, nokia 2690 and nokia 6600, not working in any one. but i didnt try with other model. can you tell me what model are you using23:09
apparlephoenix_firebrd: I used my 5230 long time back23:09
apparlephoenix_firebrd:  you can't conclude it is phones problem unless you try another phone or computer with it23:10
phoenix_firebrdapparle: was is working fine?23:11
apparlephoenix_firebrd: try it with another laptop etc23:11
phoenix_firebrdapparle: what is the difference23:12
apparlephoenix_firebrd: I checked it 6 months back on lucid... now I don't have a bluetooth dongle23:12
phoenix_firebrdapparle: i am having this problem right from karmic23:12
apparleohhh23:12
phoenix_firebrdapparle: do you think that my dongle would be a problem?23:13
apparlephoenix_firebrd: did you try it in windows or other os... does it work there23:13
phoenix_firebrdapparle: it works fine23:14
apparlethere you go.. dongles fine... mobiles fine.... kubuntu has got the problem :P23:14
apparlephoenix_firebrd: now you have to locate it and fix it :) was the problem same in all kubuntu versions?23:15
phoenix_firebrdapparle: ya23:15
apparlephoenix_firebrd: look if you can can find a bluedevil log, or a way to run it from konsole to see the error messages if any23:16
phoenix_firebrdapparle:  ya i saw that yesterday. when i ran the bluedevil-wizard that adds mobile to the list. it said the mobile authentication failed. do you want the exact error message23:19
apparlephoenix_firebrd: I can't help you much, I am not a developer, just giving you an opinion23:20
apparlephoenix_firebrd: you got that message after deleting the pairing right?23:20
phoenix_firebrdapparle: nope23:21
phoenix_firebrdapparle: this is the error message i am getting "Error response:  "Authentication Canceled""23:21
apparlephoenix_firebrd: that seems as if your phone rejected etc, you have deleted the pairing right?23:22
phoenix_firebrdapparle: ya just now checked that, there is no paired device23:23
apparlephoenix_firebrd: is there anyway to run the wizard in verbose mode so as to get more info?23:23
phoenix_firebrdapparle: i too had that idea but i checked the source code of bluedevil, that is a default message for unknown reason of failure in pairing23:25
phoenix_firebrdapparle: so we cannot get anymore messages23:25
apparlephoenix_firebrd: are you good at compiling stuff? or did you understand the code :P23:26
phoenix_firebrdapparle: i am not that good, i can understand the code little bit since it is written in qt23:27
apparlephoenix_firebrd: just find the part which handles the error message... and try to find the value you get23:27
phoenix_firebrdapparle: i got this error message when i was using kbluetooth "Sorry, your bluetooth device does not support input services"23:28
apparlephoenix_firebrd: no idea... but maybe gui thought that because it was supposedly cancelled or not responded to23:29
phoenix_firebrdapparle: ya you are right23:29
BluesKajwhat bug crerates this permission error:  "no write access to /home/user/.ICEauthority "  ?23:29
phoenix_firebrdBluesKaj: when do you get this error message23:30
apparleBluesKaj: did you launch the concerned app as su earlier?23:30
moetunesjust chown that file23:32
apparlehey what is the diff between chmod and chown?23:33
moetuneschmod changes who can do what to the file and chown changes who owns it23:34
apparlephoenix_firebrd: did you try with a non kde distro?23:36
phoenix_firebrdapparle: tried with ubuntu, not working23:36
apparlephoenix_firebrd: maybe it is a bug, file it23:36
phoenix_firebrdapparle: i think its the bluetooth driver that is causing the problem23:36
apparlephoenix_firebrd: bluedevil23:37
apparleokay guys, got to go.. bye23:37
phoenix_firebrdapparle: whe i run the command the device name is not displayed23:37
phoenix_firebrdapparle: thank you23:37
apparlephoenix_firebrd: which command?23:38
phoenix_firebrdlsusb23:38
apparlethat is weird... it is a usb dongle right? check if the dongle has some linux issues23:38
apparlesee you later guys23:40
phoenix_firebrdapparle: bye23:40
moetunesphoenix_firebrd:  remove the dongle, run dmesg in a terminal, plug the dongle in and run dmesg again23:43
moetunesit should show any errors23:43
phoenix_firebrdmoetunes: ok23:43
phoenix_firebrdmoetunes: i am getting this "[85010.673034] usb 3-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 423:45
phoenix_firebrd"23:45
moetunesso the kernel sees it - sure it isn't in lsusb?23:46
phoenix_firebrdmoetunes: it shows as "Bus 003 Device 004: ID 0c10:0000  "23:47
phoenix_firebrdmoetunes: no name23:47
moetunesphoenix_firebrd:  time to see if there is support for the device - what is it? brand name etc23:48
phoenix_firebrdmoetunes: bluesoleil23:49
moetunesphoenix_firebrd:  found this - http://www.linux4u.info/wiki/doku.php/bluesoleil23:51
moetuneslooks like an app - what is the device tho23:51
phoenix_firebrdmoetunes: it does not have a name written on, i think its a chinese duplicate. it uses bluesolil software in windows23:52
moetunesphoenix_firebrd:  here's the linux version of bluesolil - http://shareme.com/details/bluesoleil.html23:54
moetunesphoenix_firebrd:  oops - sorry that is the windows version23:55
phoenix_firebrdmoetunes: the linux version that is available in the bluesoliel website requires an outdated kernel23:56
moetunesphoenix_firebrd:  you might have to boot into windows to see if it knows the device name/brand etc23:57
phoenix_firebrdmoetunes: sorry removed all the windows installations23:58
moetunesheh23:58

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