[00:12] djustice: *getting annoyed* :P === ryan_ is now known as RyanAllen === RyanAllen is now known as Ryan651 === amine is now known as amine__ === amine__ is now known as amine [00:26] Hi, anybody there? [00:26] MagikGimp: yup [00:27] Can I ask a novice question? Are you up for such a dull thing? [00:27] !ask | MagikGimp [00:27] MagikGimp: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) [00:27] hokay [00:27] Bare with me [00:28] OK, so just installed [00:28] Put GRUB2 (presumably) in /boot [00:28] But that partition hasn't been set to boot [00:29] Only Windows comes up. Now I know I can read about changing this but I'm worried doing so will mess with Windows' boot Windows or Recovery Console menu [00:29] Am I making any sense? [00:29] I can't seem to find anyone else with the same concern [00:29] If I change the MBR will that menu still appear when I choose to boot Windows? [00:30] MagikGimp: generally you install grub to the mbr of the disk (not the partition) the config files will go in /boo though... but yes, installing grub will overwrite the windows bootloader in the mbr, although this isnt normally a problem, you can always use a windows recovery disk to install it back again should you want to remove linux [00:30] !grub2 | MagikGimp for more info [00:30] MagikGimp for more info: GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since Ubuntu 9.10. For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 [00:31] MagikGimp: what will happen if you install to the mbr, grub will boot, and ahve an option to boot to windows, which will chain load the windows boot loader [00:33] But that menu, will it still be there? I know the Recovery Console is NOT in its own partition but I have no idea where the menu comes from. Wait, isn't it something you can fiddle with in.... slipped my mind (you type something into the Run box). Anyway, I think you've answered the question by saying that it should stay intact so many thanks, I'll go read one of the many mess with the MBR [00:33] threads. Cheers! [00:34] Goodnight James, I'll do it in the morning (half midnight here) === Muzer is now known as MuzerAway === claydoh_ is now known as claydoh [01:30] In xchat running on Kubuntu 10.10, Im getting an error "Unable to set transparent background". Anyone else got this error before? [01:35] daniel3: desktop effects would probably have to be enabled for that to work, so that would be the first thing I would check [01:35] But I use konversation, so I don't know if I can be of much more use than that [01:35] They are. I have the cube animation and stuff like that. Ill look for a more specific option. [01:35] Oh man. [01:35] I forgot about Konversation. [01:36] Ive been deployed, this is the first time ive been able to use linux in like 6 months. [01:36] Does Konversation support transparent backgrounds? [01:37] Why does Kubuntu have QuasselIRC as the default IRC client? [01:48] I am having trouble installing Kubuntu. I also tried Ubuntu. [01:51] So Konversation doesn't have the ability to set a transparent background? [01:53] daniel3: xchat probably requires metacity or compiz running [01:54] nope xchat doesn't [01:55] moetunes: Then why wouldn't xchat let me set a transparent background under KDE 4.5.1 in Kubuntu? [01:55] it does a transparent background here in fluxbox [01:55] daniel3: no idea [01:55] hrm.. [02:00] There, I just made Konversations Window transparent. [02:00] Love KDE's windows settings. [02:16] daniel3: what do you mean by transparent window? [02:16] I made the entire Konversation window transparent using KDE's windows settings. [02:18] I like keeping my IRC client and terminal transparent. [02:18] But I use yakauke for my terminal, which is a wonderful program [02:19] Triple booted my Mac Book Pro with OS X 10.6.4, Windows 7 Home Premium, and Kubuntu 10.10. So trying to customize KDE to my liking. [02:23] ke keeping my IRC client and terminal transparent. [02:23] [21:18] But I use yakauke for m [02:23] whoa [02:23] sorry [02:24] lol [02:29] I really wish Quanta would upgrade for kde4. [02:32] daniel3: i have been wishing that too for some time.... i once looked into whether or not anyone was even working on porting it to KDE4, and do not even remember what i found [02:33] According to their website, the last update was years ago. Quanta is a great program, but it looks be to abandoned. [02:36] My last civilian job was a lead web developer for a startup company. Boss introduces me to Quanta. It's probably one of the better few. Now Im going to Iraq very soon, so guess I don't get to do web development for a little while. [02:38] i will try to not turn things to politics, but if you are military, i wish you could do web dev instead of being deployed as well [02:38] daniel3: quanta is really nice, a lot of people liked it [02:40] do you still use the kde3 version in the repos? [02:40] So besides Kate, whats a good light weight php editor for KDE? [02:52] anyone here able to point me to a technical support channel? i would post in a forum but i need my problem fixed by midnight(5 hours from now) === ubuntu is now known as Darrick === Darrick is now known as Deamonsoul [02:53] Darrick, for kubuntu? ask here [02:54] well not precisely for kubunto... im trying to use kubunto to fix my problem cuz its the only thing that works... at all [02:54] Deamonsoul, for what then [02:57] i have windows 7 but it wont boot (normal or safe) i have ultimate boot cd but it wont boot. i have windows 7 disks but they wont help and i have kubunto disk which runs live perfectly fine... and im trying to get windows 7 to boot cuz i have like half doneuniversity homework done that i need to hand in by midnight... if i can access my drive it will do for now but i have 3 partitions C D and Z (in windows) the only one that will mount in kubuto is z [02:57] and i have to force it to, i just get errors for the other two [02:58] Deamonsoul, is kubuntu even installed on this machine? [02:59] no its running live off its dvd [02:59] thats why i didnt think this was the place to ask [02:59] Deamonsoul, tried ##windows ? [03:02] ill try [03:17] Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken. [03:17] error when i try to mount a partition [03:39] what's the best way to create a package for kubuntu for my application? [03:40] !packaging [03:40] The packaging guide is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment - See also !backports [03:41] thank you moetunes [03:41] np :) [03:42] When I go into desktop effects everythng is greyed out including the tabs [03:42] any ideas? [03:43] mrmcq2u: dri isn't working on your graphics drivers. [03:43] it was a few hours ago [03:43] :) [03:44] I had an issue once like that when DRI was working I ended up having to delete a config file in the ~/.kde dir. Can't remember which one, it was the one which held the settings for desktop effects though. [03:45] OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI R600 (RV610 94C1) 20090101 x86/MMX+/3DNow!+/SSE2 TCL DRI2 [03:45] thats from the glxinfo output [03:45] does it say dri: yes on one of the lines? [03:46] well isnt dri2 dri [03:46] glxinfo | grep "direct rendering" [03:46] john@john-desktop:~$ glxinfo | grep "direct rendering" [03:46] direct rendering: Yes [03:47] should i nuke a config file for kwin then? [03:47] Maybe it's the same issue I had. I think it's actually kdeglobals [03:48] yeah, kdeglobals is where the effects are enabled [03:48] is there a way to get trunk on kubuntu? [03:48] Or maybe you could just edit it by hand and enable it. [03:49] where is kdeglobals? :) im a recent gnome convert :) [03:49] mrmcq2u, what you mean kdeglobals? [03:49] ~/.kde/share/config/kdeglobals [03:50] mrmcq2u: there's a line "EffectsEnabled=false" [03:51] comawhite: there is project neon, which is daily builds [03:52] that option doesnt seem to be there [03:53] mrmcq2u: you may have to log out of KDE, make the changes, then log in. Otherwise it's just going to run with what it has in memory, and might overwrite your changes when you log out. [03:53] mrmcq2u: ah, perhaps that's the issue. I'd cp it for a backup, then nuke it. But you should probably log out of kde and do it from console, then log in. [03:59] http://stanford.edu/~pgbovine/cde.html - Binary wrapper to run any binary app through different linux machines (same arch though) .. without installing any dependence! [03:59] just spreading news [04:00] right, gonna reboot and see if this works. [04:00] Thanks for the help LeeJunFan [04:00] good luck. [04:13] hey guys.....perhaps this little you of borders in this chat, but i jusst have to find answer.... [04:14] what? [04:14] !ask [04:14] Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) [04:15] ...so i'm usin windows server 2008 and trying to "force" a default backgroun with gp [04:15] MaSa69, how does that relate to kubuntu [04:15] as i said in beginning it does not :) [04:16] MaSa69, then take it to ##windows please [04:16] k [04:16] ty [04:20] perhaps people don't know the /list command [04:21] you can find your items of interest by typing /list interest [04:21] valorie, that's not a good one; /msg alis list *term* is, however [04:21] whatever that interest might be [04:21] /list will cause many irc clients to overload and quit [04:21] by itself, sure [04:21] so best to follow the alis usage instead [04:22] you want to filter by putting in something [04:26] how much damage can be caused my xbox games landing on a keyboard, about 10 or them from a foor and a half - 2 feet? [04:26] its a laptop [04:26] lol i forgot the important part [04:26] Deamonsoul, using kubuntu? [04:28] bazhang: lol [04:28] Deamonsoul, try #defocus [04:28] Deamonsoul: I think that the Xbox stands more chance of damage [04:28] hi bigbrovar [04:30] dasKreech: Hi [04:35] how are you? === amidia_ is now known as amidia [04:55] when i open amarok via krunner, it crashes plasma (which restarts) and then continues running fine. anybody seen this behaviour before? [04:56] Can I use apt/dpkg to test if a file has changed since it was installed? === guillermo is now known as Guest91752 [04:57] nikhil_: Well Amarok uses Libplasma perhaps there is a discrepancy? [04:58] dasKreech: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade ? [04:58] dasKreech: what kind of discrepancy [04:58] rapidsp: Hmm? [04:58] rapidsp: i think he means one specific file [04:58] ? [04:58] nikhil_: I dunno that's the only thing I can think of that would make amarok crash plasma shell [04:58] oops [05:02] nikhil_: Which version of each? [05:05] why quassel dont save panels setting after restart? [05:08] rapidsp: did you shut down quassel, or just restart without doing so? [05:09] valorie: after restart PC for example [05:09] most apps save state on shutdown [05:09] so if you don't shut them down, they won't save state [05:10] i think too [05:10] its not right... [05:10] ok.... trying now.... [05:10] that's the way apps work [05:11] as I recall, even in Windows [05:11] although that was many years ago..... [05:11] lol [05:11] dasKreech: amarok 2.3.2, plasma...how do i check plasma version? [05:12] valorie: yea... after quassel down only it saved :) [05:13] nikhil_: plasma-desktop --version ? [05:15] dasKreech: 03 [05:19] Mine as well [05:20] same here === root is now known as Guest11917 === michaelg is now known as michael_g [06:30] hey guys [06:30] Is there a kubuntu live disc with amarok-1x installed on it? (Doesnt have to be the latest ubuntu) [06:30] how can i get an hp lasterjet p1102w working on lucid? [06:31] eagles0513875, check linuxprinting.org first step [06:32] ok [06:34] bazhang: doesnt look like its in the db :( [06:34] eagles0513875, let me check [06:34] bazhang: i know i can download the hplip package from the hp site but it always seems to fail to install [06:36] wasn't there a project awhile ago to do KDE3.x updates? [06:36] that would presumably have the old Amarok [06:37] project emerald, or diamond, or something like that [06:37] http://ubuntu-virginia.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1479670 eagles0513875 post #2 [06:37] valorie, kde3.5 team? yes [06:39] that was for cxo [06:39] dunno if they have a liveCD though [06:40] valorie, apparently kubuntu 8.10 was the last release with amarok-1.4.10 I'm downloading the live cd right now [06:41] valorie: project trinity [06:42] * eagles0513875 pokes dasKreech with a skreech :p [06:42] trinity! [06:42] that's it [06:42] odd now it seems to be installing the hplip stuff last i tried it would error on install [06:42] * dasKreech pokes eagles0513875 with a dormouse [06:43] no poking with peripherals plz [06:43] * dasKreech pokes eagles0513875 with a door [06:44] good luck with that, cxo [06:44] * valorie <3 the newest Amarok from git [06:45] valorie: i love version 2 as well [06:46] I'm not actually going to use it. I just want to double check how it did a few things from a user's point of view [06:46] cool! [06:46] my gtk clone is almost ready for the wild world, wanted to align some of the behavior [06:47] cxo: viva vms right lol [06:47] this is like a..... Gnome branch? [06:48] bazhang: :) thanks seems like even hp for this printer didnt have right link or somethign to hplip[ [06:48] bazhang: is it possible for ubuntu to keep pushign newer versions of hplip as they become available after release? [06:52] valorie, http://amatory.sourceforge.net/public/images/screenshots/Screenshot-3.png [06:52] trippy! [06:57] i want to deinstall postgres server completely. does anyone know what addional must be done, after remove with the packet manager? [06:59] kubuntu 10.10 postgres 8.4 [07:18] hi und zwar hätte ich eine Frage zu Kubuntu 10.10, benutze es erst ein paar Tage und bin eig. sehr zufrieden damit, aber ich suche eine Funktion bzw Möglichkeit die Desktop-Icons nach einem Gitter oder ähnlichem anzuordnen [07:18] unter einer älteren kubuntu version hab ich die Möglichkeit noch gefunden, aber hier leider nicht, oder ich bin einfach zu blind:) [07:19] google habe ich schon bemüht, aber hat mir auch nicht viel gebracht [07:20] masci: try #Kubuntu-de [07:21] ok thx, thougt i would've been in the right channel :) shame on me.. [07:24] masci, this is for english-speakers [07:24] you might find a few German-speakers here by chance [07:25] vector: ok thanks, or might i try to post my question in english here? [07:25] just trying to steer you to the best place for help [07:25] sure, that's fine [07:25] ok i'll try, don't laugh about my bad englisch :) [07:25] gotta be better than my Deutsche! [07:26] i've been using kubuntu 10.10 for a few day's now, and i'm quite happy about it. but one problem that i have is that my desktop/workspace is very untidy [07:26] i am looking for a possibility to sort the icons by a grid oder something like that [07:27] if you right-click on the desktop, you can do that [07:27] ok, i tried so, but where exactly? [07:27] desktop settings [07:28] ok but there i can only change my background, mouse gestures etc. [07:28] hmmm, not seeing the snap to grid thing [07:28] nothing else [07:28] let me look [07:29] another possibility is creating activities, so that you only have the stuff you want for a particular activity [07:29] checking the weather and headlines, for instance [07:29] working [07:29] i just want the same space between the icons, but if that works, that would be fine too [07:29] playing music [07:29] ok, sec [07:29] valorie: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation. [07:29] valorie: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation. [07:29] jo thanks :) [07:31] I must tell you though, that icons on the desktop are going away [07:31] unless you opt for folder-view [07:31] ok and how can i do that? [07:31] I don't have icons on the desktop any more [07:31] folderview is a widget! :D [07:32] okay and how do you manage your shortcuts? [07:32] Desktop settings > Activities > folder View [07:33] I think once you have that view, then you can snap to a grid [07:33] haven't tried that since I upgraded though [07:33] ah okay thanks that also looks great and good for me [07:33] what sort of shortcuts? [07:33] I use the kmenu for most things [07:33] no sorry i think shortcuts was the wrong expression [07:34] !skype [07:34] To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype - To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto - Please use open protocols instead if you can, see !Ekiga [07:34] i think this solutions here is also great for me [07:34] like for files and stuff, I just use Dolphin [07:34] cool! [07:34] glad I could help [07:34] yeah thanks ;) [07:34] you are very welcome [07:34] great support around here! [07:34] and your English is great [07:34] :-) [07:35] lol okay thanks:) [07:37] Hello guys! Does anyone know how can I configure VLC so that it uses QT by default. Currently it uses gtk widgets and colors.. [07:40] start it with vlc -I qt === che is now known as Guest36259 [07:42] moetunes: is that L in there as a parameter? it does not work here [07:42] StrongOrder: nope it is a capital eye [07:43] moetunes: ahm, still the same, gtk... [07:44] does it work for you? I still see brown (ubuntu) colors [07:45] StrongOrder: yep it works here [07:47] StrongOrder: you could try this from the vlc --help --qt-display-mode {0 (Classic look), 1 (Complete look with information area), 2 (Minimal look with no menus)} Selection of the starting mode and look [07:48] so vlc --qt-display-mode 0 [07:49] nope, does not work. Maybe it's because my vlc is built with gtk ? [07:49] because, in intefaces menu I cannot see qt os similar [07:50] try using the -vv switch with -I qt to see why it won't work [07:51] afaik qt is the default for vlc [07:53] moetunes: nope, here is the oputput :( http://dpaste.org/jVwJ/ [07:53] k [07:55] it opens files using kde dialog, but displays it in gtk :) ugly [07:57] you haven't set something in the config or the lua scripts to use gtk? [07:58] no, not manually, but I'm using ubuntu with kde installed, so that must me something related to that [07:59] check with the folk in #videolan - I'm sure it should be an easy fix [07:59] thank you very much, i took your time [08:00] np:) [08:12] Need help with KWin(Desktop effects). Few minutes after using it, the screen hangs probably with certain processes running. On Ctrl+Alt+F1, GPU is found to be hanged or some error with GPU. How to fix it? [08:14] sounds like it might be temperature related... [08:15] moetunes: As in? [08:16] moetunes: Can any command or log help you identify it properly? [08:17] sresu: it is a guess that the gpu is getting hot and protecting itself - there might be something for your card to monitor the temp, it depends on the card [08:17] moetunes: What all things are required for KWin to function properly? [08:18] moetunes: If I'm right, desktop effects by default are handled by Kwin and not Compiz [08:19] sresu: yep kwin does the effects and all you should need is a default kubuntu install [08:19] moetunes: I mean the minimum hardware requirements [08:19] .. [08:19] which leads me to beleive it might be hardware [08:20] moetunes: Yeah. There used to be a command to know the graphic drivers etc. I forgot it [08:20] grep ! [08:20] sresu: if the card can use the dri module it should be fine - the cpu might work harder if the card is lower end tho [08:20] sresu: lspci | grep -i vga [08:20] moetunes: I don't know how to check it [08:21] sresu: what sort of vid. card? [08:21] moetunes: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) [08:21] Intel Chipset [08:21] http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/nvidia%20video%20card%20temp%20monitor?content=23844 [08:21] Nothing like Nvidia or radeon [08:22] Oh. valorie. Hi! :) [08:22] I doubt there is a temp measurer for intel [08:22] moetunes: Yeah.. It isn't [08:22] http://www.techpowerup.com/realtemp/ [08:22] there is! [08:22] Huh? [08:22] Lemme see [08:23] there is an issue with some intel chips and kwin iirc - the 945G chip reports it does stuff that it doesn't really do for example [08:23] So I should be downloading that program? [08:23] support is win-only though [08:23] :( [08:23] hey guys is anyond else having issues with themes and theming [08:23] which probably means it has .dlls and crap [08:23] it might be the 945GM chip [08:23] valorie: and moetunes i know there are some bugs with the intel gpus again [08:23] valorie: moetunes: Umm.. I'm not able to understand the causes of problems properly [08:24] sresu: it works ok without the desktop effects? [08:24] moetunes: Yes, perfectly fine [08:25] moetunes: what exactly is happening [08:25] http://aptosid.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&p=2329 [08:25] might help [08:25] eagles0513875: sresu has his gpu shutdown after a few minutes running the desktop effects [08:26] im wondering if its related to the intel gpu bugs that have resurfaced [08:26] I was thinking that - or a temp prob [08:26] i might have stumbled on something rather interesting but not desktop effects related [08:26] moetunes: was thinking temp prob too [08:26] I have the hardware temp sensor widget [08:26] valorie: how accurate are they [08:27] the vid. card seems hotter than everything else [08:27] valorie: What's the name? [08:27] it's just a dial for each of them [08:27] KDE w/o KWin looses the look and feel effect :( [08:27] Hardware Temperature [08:28] and it's a widget I put onto the desktop [08:28] if its a laptop he should get a can of compressed air and blow it out [08:28] eagles0513875: Desktop PC [08:28] sresu is female, as am I [08:28] we're not all guys here..... [08:28] :) [08:29] I don't think it's dust [08:29] valorie: Hardware Temperature shows only MB and CPU temperarture here [08:29] I just have a wimpy card, I think [08:29] every once in awhile, it gets rather s l o w [08:29] probably because it's hot [08:30] just figured out how to fine tune my performance issues i was having with graphical effects and desktop effects off [08:30] sresu: that aptosid link above talks about adding more sensors [08:30] valorie: i wonder though if the gpu isnt powerful enough to handle it [08:30] I have 3 [08:30] Disabling really does affect performance [08:30] didn't change anything.... [08:30] what if under application appearence then style then fine tuning you change the graphical effects [08:31] eagles0513875: Yes, its the default chipset. Nothing much can be expected from it unless one have Nvidia or radeon [08:31] it would be nice if there was a tut. somewhere telling you what each choice does for you [08:31] mine is supposedly radeon [08:31] but...... [08:31] im having some really interesting desktop rendering issues at times it it becomes really sluggish redrawing the icons i have on the bottom [08:31] my desktop is nvidia [08:31] valorie: Yeah I'm going through the link [08:31] hi [08:32] valorie: You got AMD architecture, I suppose [08:32] Sysinfo for 'valorie-HP-Pavilion-dv7-Notebook-PC': Linux 2.6.35-22-generic running KDE Development Platform 4.5.3 (KDE 4.5.3), CPU: AMDTurionX2Dual-CoreMobileRM-74 at 550 MHz (4389 bogomips), HD: 86/371GB, RAM: 3483/3708MB, 189 proc's, 11.17h up [08:33] yep [08:33] nice nice [08:33] Cool! [08:33] i wont start processor wars in here [08:33] Help me resolve it... please [08:33] sresu: does it still happen if you disable the desktop effects [08:33] sooo.. does /dev/random give out TRUE random numbers? [08:33] I wouldn't fight to defend this laptop architecture [08:33] lol [08:33] eagles0513875: No [08:34] Machtin: ? [08:34] valorie: lol im pro intel whats funny is amd uses intel registers in their cpus [08:34] so techincally your getting a lower performing cpu with intel tech in it [08:34] eagles0513875: anything there that i could explain better? :) [08:34] Machtin: whats are you exactly trying to do [08:35] creating a truly random integer. [08:35] Machtin: and this is using kubuntu to do it [08:35] yup.. however, it's not really kubuntu-specific [08:36] but I'm doing it on a kubuntu-machine, so yeah. [08:36] have you asked in the programming channel? [08:36] Nope, it's actually off-topic in a programming channel, i'd say. [08:37] at least for platform-independent languages [08:37] what programming language are you trying to do this in [08:38] wowy the dark wonton theme has really improved [08:38] c++, but i don't really need true random numbers.. i'll use urandom [08:38] i'm just curious whether /dev/random is truly random. [08:38] Machtin: ask in c++ this channel is more for kubuntu specific issues [08:39] Machtin: i honestly dont know [08:39] i see. :) i'll try the linux-channel then. thanks anyway. [08:40] moetunes: valorie: eagles0513875: http://pastebin.com/5uCQpvQ7 [08:44] sresu: I think you need a specific sensor app for the graphics [08:44] I could be wrong tho [08:44] moetunes: Like? [08:45] valorie? [08:45] sresu: it's not something I have ever bothered with - that link you gave did not mention anything about the graphics [08:45] interesting [08:46] but yeah, I didn't see anything there that says graphics to me [08:46] not that I know anything special about it [08:46] valorie: After Mamarok suggested about vlc backend to Amarok, these things started becomming worse and that is what probably made Amarok to crash upon exit randomly [08:47] right, but supposedly markey has fixed that [08:47] moetunes: valorie: Whats should be the command for that? [08:47] I'm unable to build vlc from source though [08:47]