[00:08] <dasen> hi guys, does anyone know when will unity have a functioning application menu?
[00:08] <dasen> the new version I mean
[00:08] <bazhang> dasen, after the alpha release?
[00:09] <dasen> bazhang: do u know when it will arrive?
[00:09] <bazhang> dasen, you might wish to check the release schedule referenced in the /topic here
[00:10] <dasen> oh yeah, sorry :)
[00:10] <bazhang> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule
[07:10] <magn3ts> I have an interesting idea.
[07:10] <magn3ts> Release daily builds as patches of a common base!
[07:10] <magn3ts> Or have a common Ubuntu image that everything patches.
[07:10] <magn3ts> I've downloaded Ubuntu, I don't know how many times. Think if I was just downloading some sort of patch
[07:11] <magn3ts> But then I remember compression. :/
[07:11] <rww> just zsync the new one from the last one you downloaded?
[07:11] <magn3ts> how does this work??
[07:11] <magn3ts> does ubuntu distribute .zsync files?
[07:11] <rww> yes
[07:12] <magn3ts> >_>
[07:12]  * magn3ts aptitude's zsync
[07:12] <rww> note the .zsync files on e.g. http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ :)
[07:12] <magn3ts> Yeah, had that window open looking for torrent files, but this is much better. thanks!
[07:13]  * magn3ts was so proud of himself
[07:13] <rww> no torrents of daily builds. it'd be hard to do for something that's only relevant for 24 hours
[07:13] <magn3ts> Yeah, I wondered... I thought I might have previously but those were probably even alphas.
[14:22] <mhall119> hi everyone, I'm trying to load the daily desktop ISO in virtualbox, but it gets stuck showing the desktop and mouse only, or sometimes just a black screen, anyone know if this is a problem with the ISO, or am I just unlucky?
[16:06] <mhall119> okay, some apps are throwing errors saying the can't close file descriptors, others are throwing errors saying there are too many open files
[16:06] <mhall119> this is causing all the Gnome stuff (metacity, gnome-panel, etc) from running
[16:17] <fagan> mhall119: I havent seen that myself
[16:17] <fagan> the only big issue im getting is unity with compiz not working at all
[16:21] <fagan> I wouldnt mind but compiz works just fine on my laptop even though its really old its just unity+compiz doesnt
[16:38] <cfx_> anyone know if it is possible to have each individual workspace shown by separate monitors? like 2 workspaces , 2 monitors, 1 on each.
[16:38] <coz_> cfx_,  with compiz  no
[16:39] <coz_> not that I am aware of
[16:39] <cfx_> coz_, without?
[16:39] <coz_> cfx_,  :) well I rarely dont use compiz but let me check
[16:40] <cfx_> thanks coz_
[16:41] <coz_> cfx_,  the only thing I can think of is seperate xscreens
[16:41] <cfx_> you mean X sessions?
[16:41] <coz_> cfx_,  no  xscreens... let me find a link
[16:42] <coz_> cfx_,   this is for nvidia   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaMultiMonitors
[16:43] <cfx_> coz_, im using ati lol
[16:43] <coz_> cfx_,  ooo
[16:43] <fagan> coz_: thats a bit old I think so it may not work too well
[16:43] <coz_> fagan,  probably
[16:44] <coz_> and for ati  I am not sure...maybe xinerama but then compiz will not work with that
[16:44]  * fagan thought there was a setting to make workspaces work properly but never tried it
[16:45] <coz_> fagan,  let me check in 0.9 compiz
[16:45] <cfx_> coz_, what does xscreens do? is there a screenshot/photo?
[16:45] <coz_> cfx_,  essentially  separate xscreens is going to allow a different workspace on each monitor however no dragging of windows between the monitors
[16:46] <fagan> well there is no real benefit in using seperate workspaces between monitors anyway
[16:46] <fagan> since the extended display system actually works fairly nice
[16:47] <cfx_> fagan, hm?
[16:47] <coz_> yeah I agree... cfx_   what is the thinking with this ?  why separate  workspaces on each monitor?
[16:47] <cfx_> coz_, i want to have documentation on the 2nd screen and coding on the 1st one
[16:47] <cfx_> i will simply have all doc related stuff on 2nd workspace
[16:48] <fagan> cfx_: you can drag the docs to the second monitor and it sould do that
[16:48] <coz_> cfx_,  well with some of compiz plugins  you can use either viewports or each monitor for windows to open on specific monitors or viewports
[16:48] <fagan> *should
[16:48] <coz_> cfx_,   or use group and tab plugin to group all of the similar windows together on each monitor
[16:49] <coz_> cfx_,  or  tile and grid plugins  or any combination...with Place windows plugin you can specify location ofwindows
[16:49] <coz_> that you want to open
[16:49] <coz_> so    IDE on primary   and text on secondary
[16:50] <cfx_> what is compiz, im confused, i thought default ubuntu didnt use compiz
[16:50] <cfx_> just regular gnome
[16:50] <cfx_> fagan, i dont understand, is there a howto or smth that illustrates that?
[16:50] <coz_> cfx_,  well default ubuntu compiz with compiz and you can check to see if it is activated under /system/preferences/appearance and the visual effects tab
[16:51] <coz_> rathe comes with compiz
[16:52] <coz_> cfx_,  and if you   sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager  you can set specific plugins and their settings
[16:53] <cfx_> coz_, so you're essentially saying that this is possible with some compiz plugins?
[16:54] <coz_> cfx_,  absolutely... you would have to familiarize yourself with the plugins and their capabilities but ,,,yes
[16:54] <cfx_> i have normal on visual effects, does that mean compiz is enabled?
[16:55] <coz_> cfx_,  remember   compiz is a  "window manager"  yes it is enabled
[16:55] <coz_> cfx_,  now install compizconfig-settings-manager  and open either under system/preferences  or    ccsm in terminal or run dialog
[16:56] <cfx_> coz_, ah i see it, but which of those should i enable to make that work?
[16:56] <coz_> cfx_,  ok  well... Place windows plugin under the window management category ,,,if you click that to get into its settings  , you will see its options listed there
[16:57] <coz_> cfx_,  to enable a specific application window to open on one of those options you click the plus (+)  icon then the "grab" button and click the window to include it into the  window match string
[16:59] <coz_> cfx_,  for example, under Place window plugin ,,click the  "Fixed window placement"  tab
[16:59] <coz_> cfx_,   there you see 3 options
[16:59] <cfx_> yes i see them
[16:59] <coz_> fixed position   fixed placement  and fixed viewport
[17:00] <cfx_> right
[17:00] <coz_> fixed placement should allow you to place a window on either monitor and it will open on that same monitor each time
[17:00] <coz_> cfx_,  when you click the "New" button, a dialog opens with a (+)  button
[17:01] <cfx_> please go on
[17:01] <coz_> cfx_,  when you click the (+)  button another dialog opens with a "Grab" button and when you click that the cursor chanes to cross hair that allows  you to click on an open application window  to set that into the window rules string
[17:02] <coz_> there is also an "Invert" button which would "EXCLUE"  a window from that rule so you dont want that right now
[17:02] <coz_> cfx_,  the first dialog that opened will allow x an y positioning of the window you chose
[17:03] <coz_> cfx_,  its takes a bit of practice to deal with window rules and placement sliders but you will find it works well
[17:04] <cfx_> ok so you're saying i should select all the doc related windows and add them to fixed viewport ?
[17:04] <coz_> cfx_,  yes ,, one at a time
[17:05] <coz_> cfx_,  test your settings with the x/y sliders
[17:05] <cfx_> and you say that there is a threshold e.g. x <1000 = monitor1 where x>1001 is monitor2?
[17:05] <coz_> cfx_,  you can always reset to defaults and start gain with that little yellow whisk broom icon
[17:08] <coz_> cfx_,  something like that... I am not great with these sliders myself and I am support for compiz  but I generally just play with the sliders until I get it correct however there is also a pull down menu "Mode"   for thinkgs like cascade,, center  etc  on the first dialog
[17:08] <coz_> cfx_,  even open under pointer
[17:09] <coz_> cfx_, open under pointer of course opens an application window  where ever the cursor is locatedd
[17:09] <coz_> located
[17:13] <cfx_> coz_, how can i disable that annoying effect when switching workspaces?
[17:14] <coz_> cfx_,  which is that?
[17:14] <coz_> cfx_,  the cube?
[17:14] <mrmcq2u> on reboot I am getting stuck on checking battery state, anyone know what could cause it?
[17:14] <mrmcq2u> Im on a desktop with no battery
[17:14] <charlie-tca> yup
[17:14] <cfx_> coz_, no. i mean there is a transition phase "FX" when switching workspaces
[17:14] <charlie-tca> X didn't start
[17:14] <charlie-tca> ?
[17:15] <coz_> cfx_,  can you describe it a bit better ?  there are several things it could be
[17:15] <charlie-tca> mrmcq2u: usually when I get that, restarting works. Sometimes, though, I have to use recovery mode and clean the packages
[17:15] <coz_> cfx_,   is it scroll whell switching?
[17:15] <cfx_> coz_, on bottom right when you click the 2nd workspace it doesnt just "appear" in front of you. there is a dizzying effect
[17:15] <cfx_> coz_, exactly
[17:16] <mrmcq2u> right thanks charlie-tca will try dpkg-reconfigure
[17:16] <coz_> cfx_,  ok in ccsm  under the  Viewport switcher plugin  click the  "Desktop-based viewport switching" tab
[17:16] <coz_> cfx_,   Move Next and Move Prev  are set to what?
[17:17] <cfx_> disabled
[17:17] <coz_> cfx_,  ok then thats not the effect
[17:18] <coz_> cfx_,  oh you are using gnome's  desktop switcher  ...yes?
[17:18] <cfx_> coz_, yes default ubuntu here
[17:18] <cfx_> with gnome
[17:18] <coz_> cfx_,  well you can go into ccsm again and disable  desktop cube and enable  Desktop wall instead
[17:19] <coz_> also disable Rotate cube first
[17:19] <cfx_> coz_, also what's the hotkey to change workspaces ?
[17:19] <coz_> cfx_,  then try the workspace siwtcher and see if that is better
[17:19] <coz_> cfx_,   yes  ctrl+alt+left and right arrows
[17:20] <cfx_> coz_, cube is already disabled, wall is enabled
[17:20] <coz_> cfx_,  oh!!
[17:20] <coz_> cfx_,  ok for topic reasons  meet me in #compiz
[17:20] <cfx_> thanks for the hotkey, that works
[17:20] <coz_> cool
[17:20] <coz_> cfx_,   but lets pick this up in #compiz if you have more compiz related issues and questions :)
[17:21] <cfx_> i'm already there
[17:43] <zniavre> good evening
[17:43] <zniavre> wich package to install the new desktop > ubuntu-desktop seems not in repos
[17:44] <fagan> zniavre: its not ready yet but you can try an older version
[17:44] <fagan> sudo apt-get install unity
[17:45] <zniavre> ok thank you
[17:45] <fagan> then log out and select ubuntu-netbook when you are loging in
[17:45] <fagan> zniavre: the maverick version is very broken though
[17:45] <fagan> you should wait for natty
[17:45] <zniavre> in fact i got for now only bases system
[17:46] <zniavre> natty*
[17:46] <zniavre> found it thank you
[17:47] <fagan> no problem
[17:47] <zniavre> :o)
[17:48] <fagan> its going to be completely different when natty is released though
[17:48] <fagan> there are so many problems with it at the moment
[18:52] <xteejx> Hi all. I can't see any alternate CD images for Natty, have they not been generated yet?
[18:54] <yofel> looks like iso failed to build to me, since the folders are empty
[18:54]  * yofel forgot where the build logs are kept...
[18:56] <yofel> firefox backlog to the resque... http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/ubuntu/natty/
[18:56] <yofel> yep, failes to build
[18:56] <yofel> *fails
[18:56] <xteejx> yofel: Damn :( My vbox install won't work, it gets up to the gdm login but doesn't show it, and Ctrl+Alt+F1 does it on my system, not the vbox :(
[18:56] <xteejx> Booo :( lol
[18:56] <yofel> hm, I know how to switch to tty in kvm, but not in vbox..
[18:57] <xteejx> yofel: I don't think you can insert keypresses in vbox sadly
[18:57] <yofel> wasn't that a slightly different key combination?
[18:57] <xteejx> oh well have to wait for a built alternate, the live doesnt work
[18:58] <yofel> xteejx: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1292037 ?
[18:58] <charlie-tca> xteejx: did you try right-ctl F1 ?
[18:58] <charlie-tca> The vbox key replaces Crlt+Alt usually
[18:58] <xteejx> charlie-tca: Really? :O I'm gonna try that
[19:00] <xteejx> charlie-tca: Nice one Charlie, it worked thank you :D
[19:00] <charlie-tca> no problem
[19:01] <charlie-tca> I use VBox a lot for testing
[19:02] <xteejx> same, its alot easier/safer than messing up a production machine
[19:03] <yofel> natty works fine on my eeePC so far, well almost
[19:04] <yofel> when the display turns off, and I move the mouse, the display turns back on, but not the backlight. I have to close the lid and open it again for the backlight to turn on o.O
[21:32] <magn3ts> What was the last live cd build that worked?
[21:32] <magn3ts> the last two I've tried were broken