[00:08] hi guys, does anyone know when will unity have a functioning application menu? [00:08] the new version I mean [00:08] dasen, after the alpha release? [00:09] bazhang: do u know when it will arrive? [00:09] dasen, you might wish to check the release schedule referenced in the /topic here [00:10] oh yeah, sorry :) [00:10] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule === voidmage-away is now known as voidmage [07:10] I have an interesting idea. [07:10] Release daily builds as patches of a common base! [07:10] Or have a common Ubuntu image that everything patches. [07:10] I've downloaded Ubuntu, I don't know how many times. Think if I was just downloading some sort of patch [07:11] But then I remember compression. :/ [07:11] just zsync the new one from the last one you downloaded? [07:11] how does this work?? [07:11] does ubuntu distribute .zsync files? [07:11] yes [07:12] >_> [07:12] * magn3ts aptitude's zsync [07:12] note the .zsync files on e.g. http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ :) [07:12] Yeah, had that window open looking for torrent files, but this is much better. thanks! [07:13] * magn3ts was so proud of himself [07:13] no torrents of daily builds. it'd be hard to do for something that's only relevant for 24 hours [07:13] Yeah, I wondered... I thought I might have previously but those were probably even alphas. === Tscheesy_ is now known as Tscheesy === yofel_ is now known as yofel === zniavre__ is now known as zniavre [14:22] hi everyone, I'm trying to load the daily desktop ISO in virtualbox, but it gets stuck showing the desktop and mouse only, or sometimes just a black screen, anyone know if this is a problem with the ISO, or am I just unlucky? [16:06] okay, some apps are throwing errors saying the can't close file descriptors, others are throwing errors saying there are too many open files [16:06] this is causing all the Gnome stuff (metacity, gnome-panel, etc) from running [16:17] mhall119: I havent seen that myself [16:17] the only big issue im getting is unity with compiz not working at all [16:21] I wouldnt mind but compiz works just fine on my laptop even though its really old its just unity+compiz doesnt [16:38] anyone know if it is possible to have each individual workspace shown by separate monitors? like 2 workspaces , 2 monitors, 1 on each. [16:38] cfx_, with compiz no [16:39] not that I am aware of [16:39] coz_, without? [16:39] cfx_, :) well I rarely dont use compiz but let me check [16:40] thanks coz_ [16:41] cfx_, the only thing I can think of is seperate xscreens [16:41] you mean X sessions? [16:41] cfx_, no xscreens... let me find a link [16:42] cfx_, this is for nvidia https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaMultiMonitors [16:43] coz_, im using ati lol [16:43] cfx_, ooo [16:43] coz_: thats a bit old I think so it may not work too well [16:43] fagan, probably [16:44] and for ati I am not sure...maybe xinerama but then compiz will not work with that [16:44] * fagan thought there was a setting to make workspaces work properly but never tried it [16:45] fagan, let me check in 0.9 compiz [16:45] coz_, what does xscreens do? is there a screenshot/photo? [16:45] cfx_, essentially separate xscreens is going to allow a different workspace on each monitor however no dragging of windows between the monitors [16:46] well there is no real benefit in using seperate workspaces between monitors anyway [16:46] since the extended display system actually works fairly nice [16:47] fagan, hm? [16:47] yeah I agree... cfx_ what is the thinking with this ? why separate workspaces on each monitor? [16:47] coz_, i want to have documentation on the 2nd screen and coding on the 1st one [16:47] i will simply have all doc related stuff on 2nd workspace [16:48] cfx_: you can drag the docs to the second monitor and it sould do that [16:48] cfx_, well with some of compiz plugins you can use either viewports or each monitor for windows to open on specific monitors or viewports [16:48] *should [16:48] cfx_, or use group and tab plugin to group all of the similar windows together on each monitor [16:49] cfx_, or tile and grid plugins or any combination...with Place windows plugin you can specify location ofwindows [16:49] that you want to open [16:49] so IDE on primary and text on secondary [16:50] what is compiz, im confused, i thought default ubuntu didnt use compiz [16:50] just regular gnome [16:50] fagan, i dont understand, is there a howto or smth that illustrates that? [16:50] cfx_, well default ubuntu compiz with compiz and you can check to see if it is activated under /system/preferences/appearance and the visual effects tab [16:51] rathe comes with compiz [16:52] cfx_, and if you sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager you can set specific plugins and their settings [16:53] coz_, so you're essentially saying that this is possible with some compiz plugins? [16:54] cfx_, absolutely... you would have to familiarize yourself with the plugins and their capabilities but ,,,yes [16:54] i have normal on visual effects, does that mean compiz is enabled? [16:55] cfx_, remember compiz is a "window manager" yes it is enabled [16:55] cfx_, now install compizconfig-settings-manager and open either under system/preferences or ccsm in terminal or run dialog [16:56] coz_, ah i see it, but which of those should i enable to make that work? [16:56] cfx_, ok well... Place windows plugin under the window management category ,,,if you click that to get into its settings , you will see its options listed there [16:57] cfx_, to enable a specific application window to open on one of those options you click the plus (+) icon then the "grab" button and click the window to include it into the window match string [16:59] cfx_, for example, under Place window plugin ,,click the "Fixed window placement" tab [16:59] cfx_, there you see 3 options [16:59] yes i see them [16:59] fixed position fixed placement and fixed viewport [17:00] right [17:00] fixed placement should allow you to place a window on either monitor and it will open on that same monitor each time [17:00] cfx_, when you click the "New" button, a dialog opens with a (+) button [17:01] please go on [17:01] cfx_, when you click the (+) button another dialog opens with a "Grab" button and when you click that the cursor chanes to cross hair that allows you to click on an open application window to set that into the window rules string [17:02] there is also an "Invert" button which would "EXCLUE" a window from that rule so you dont want that right now [17:02] cfx_, the first dialog that opened will allow x an y positioning of the window you chose [17:03] cfx_, its takes a bit of practice to deal with window rules and placement sliders but you will find it works well [17:04] ok so you're saying i should select all the doc related windows and add them to fixed viewport ? [17:04] cfx_, yes ,, one at a time [17:05] cfx_, test your settings with the x/y sliders [17:05] and you say that there is a threshold e.g. x <1000 = monitor1 where x>1001 is monitor2? [17:05] cfx_, you can always reset to defaults and start gain with that little yellow whisk broom icon [17:08] cfx_, something like that... I am not great with these sliders myself and I am support for compiz but I generally just play with the sliders until I get it correct however there is also a pull down menu "Mode" for thinkgs like cascade,, center etc on the first dialog [17:08] cfx_, even open under pointer [17:09] cfx_, open under pointer of course opens an application window where ever the cursor is locatedd [17:09] located [17:13] coz_, how can i disable that annoying effect when switching workspaces? [17:14] cfx_, which is that? [17:14] cfx_, the cube? [17:14] on reboot I am getting stuck on checking battery state, anyone know what could cause it? [17:14] Im on a desktop with no battery [17:14] yup [17:14] coz_, no. i mean there is a transition phase "FX" when switching workspaces [17:14] X didn't start [17:14] ? [17:15] cfx_, can you describe it a bit better ? there are several things it could be [17:15] mrmcq2u: usually when I get that, restarting works. Sometimes, though, I have to use recovery mode and clean the packages [17:15] cfx_, is it scroll whell switching? [17:15] coz_, on bottom right when you click the 2nd workspace it doesnt just "appear" in front of you. there is a dizzying effect [17:15] coz_, exactly [17:16] right thanks charlie-tca will try dpkg-reconfigure [17:16] cfx_, ok in ccsm under the Viewport switcher plugin click the "Desktop-based viewport switching" tab [17:16] cfx_, Move Next and Move Prev are set to what? [17:17] disabled [17:17] cfx_, ok then thats not the effect [17:18] cfx_, oh you are using gnome's desktop switcher ...yes? [17:18] coz_, yes default ubuntu here [17:18] with gnome [17:18] cfx_, well you can go into ccsm again and disable desktop cube and enable Desktop wall instead [17:19] also disable Rotate cube first [17:19] coz_, also what's the hotkey to change workspaces ? [17:19] cfx_, then try the workspace siwtcher and see if that is better [17:19] cfx_, yes ctrl+alt+left and right arrows [17:20] coz_, cube is already disabled, wall is enabled [17:20] cfx_, oh!! [17:20] cfx_, ok for topic reasons meet me in #compiz [17:20] thanks for the hotkey, that works [17:20] cool [17:20] cfx_, but lets pick this up in #compiz if you have more compiz related issues and questions :) [17:21] i'm already there [17:43] good evening [17:43] wich package to install the new desktop > ubuntu-desktop seems not in repos [17:44] zniavre: its not ready yet but you can try an older version [17:44] sudo apt-get install unity [17:45] ok thank you [17:45] then log out and select ubuntu-netbook when you are loging in [17:45] zniavre: the maverick version is very broken though [17:45] you should wait for natty [17:45] in fact i got for now only bases system [17:46] natty* [17:46] found it thank you [17:47] no problem [17:47] :o) [17:48] its going to be completely different when natty is released though [17:48] there are so many problems with it at the moment [18:52] Hi all. I can't see any alternate CD images for Natty, have they not been generated yet? [18:54] looks like iso failed to build to me, since the folders are empty [18:54] * yofel forgot where the build logs are kept... [18:56] firefox backlog to the resque... http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/ubuntu/natty/ [18:56] yep, failes to build [18:56] *fails [18:56] yofel: Damn :( My vbox install won't work, it gets up to the gdm login but doesn't show it, and Ctrl+Alt+F1 does it on my system, not the vbox :( [18:56] Booo :( lol [18:56] hm, I know how to switch to tty in kvm, but not in vbox.. [18:57] yofel: I don't think you can insert keypresses in vbox sadly [18:57] wasn't that a slightly different key combination? [18:57] oh well have to wait for a built alternate, the live doesnt work [18:58] xteejx: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1292037 ? [18:58] xteejx: did you try right-ctl F1 ? [18:58] The vbox key replaces Crlt+Alt usually [18:58] charlie-tca: Really? :O I'm gonna try that [19:00] charlie-tca: Nice one Charlie, it worked thank you :D [19:00] no problem [19:01] I use VBox a lot for testing [19:02] same, its alot easier/safer than messing up a production machine [19:03] natty works fine on my eeePC so far, well almost [19:04] when the display turns off, and I move the mouse, the display turns back on, but not the backlight. I have to close the lid and open it again for the backlight to turn on o.O [21:32] What was the last live cd build that worked? [21:32] the last two I've tried were broken === Patrickdk_ is now known as PatrickDK === JanC_ is now known as JanC