| === AlanChicken is now known as AlanBell | ||
| UndiFineD | nice alan | 12:21 |
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| AlanBell | nigelb: I need a picture of someone who could be Faisal | 15:22 |
| AlanBell | got any friends who would be a model? | 15:38 |
| charlie-tca | AlanBell, Pendulum : any hints for learning how to use dasher? | 15:42 |
| AlanBell | start with it going slowly! | 15:46 |
| charlie-tca | how/ | 15:51 |
| charlie-tca | How do I get it to go to direct mode? | 15:51 |
| AlanBell | no way to do that from the gui, launch it with dasher -a | 15:52 |
| AlanBell | dasher -a direct | 15:52 |
| charlie-tca | oh! Thanks | 15:52 |
| charlie-tca | I got it going slowly, that didn't seem to help | 15:52 |
| UndiFineD | you can select directmode in preferences | 15:53 |
| UndiFineD | not sure how that works | 15:53 |
| charlie-tca | I did that, but it doesn't seem to work | 15:53 |
| AlanBell | if you have it in direct mode you then need to give a window focus then with the mouse go back to the dasher window and start typing | 15:54 |
| AlanBell | if you have focus follows mouse that is probably going to be inconvenient | 15:54 |
| Pendulum | UndiFineD: you can't on linux. at least you couldn't last I tried | 15:54 |
| charlie-tca | Oh, that too? | 15:55 |
| Pendulum | it might be easier to learn to use in non-drect mode | 15:55 |
| Pendulum | (I don't know because MacOS is where I learned to use it and it only has direct mode) | 15:56 |
| AlanBell | http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/faisal.pdf < very draft still | 15:56 |
| Pendulum | btw, I will be in and out today as I'm going to a baby shower! :) | 15:57 |
| UndiFineD | oh that is nice Pendulum | 15:59 |
| UndiFineD | dasher is .. strange | 15:59 |
| UndiFineD | but fun to play with | 16:00 |
| charlie-tca | but needed for some people | 16:00 |
| charlie-tca | It is a default accessibility app | 16:00 |
| Pendulum | I <3 Dasher (at least when it works), but it takes a little getting used to | 16:00 |
| Pendulum | charlie-tca: it is? | 16:00 |
| UndiFineD | :) | 16:00 |
| charlie-tca | yup | 16:00 |
| Pendulum | tbh, though, if you're like me and use it sometimes completely instead of typing, you pick it up quickly | 16:00 |
| charlie-tca | I will learn it... Might be a l-l-l-long process, though | 16:01 |
| AlanBell | you can get quite fast with it if you crank up the speed and know your alphabet well! | 16:01 |
| Pendulum | I think about it like those games where you have to navigate something through a maze using your mouse | 16:02 |
| AlanBell | Faisal should use dasher a bit I think | 16:03 |
| charlie-tca | It is very much finding the right thing at the right time | 16:03 |
| AlanBell | best way to learn dasher is to unplug your keyboard on a desktop and put it out of reach then spend all evening chatting on IRC | 16:04 |
| Pendulum | and not to stress about how long your taking | 16:05 |
| Pendulum | and not to look at the window you're inputting in and focus on dasher | 16:05 |
| AlanBell | and stay calm when your keyboard segfaults | 16:05 |
| Pendulum | haha | 16:05 |
| charlie-tca | Great idea! I will give that a try, except I broke it now | 16:06 |
| Pendulum | unless it segfaults in under a minute repeatedly. then you get mad and file a bug | 16:06 |
| charlie-tca | lol | 16:06 |
| Pendulum | oh, and not to work about the gtk errors that come up in terminal when you launch direct mode | 16:06 |
| Pendulum | s/work/worry | 16:06 |
| Pendulum | charlie-tca: how'd you break it? | 16:06 |
| charlie-tca | yeah, I got that one already. A lot of apps throw those | 16:06 |
| charlie-tca | it won't do anything :-) | 16:06 |
| charlie-tca | It just sits with all them letters scrunched up in a column | 16:07 |
| * charlie-tca thinks scrunched is the right word for that | 16:07 | |
| UndiFineD | I just dasdhered "Dasher is a difficult accessibility program which is required to be used by some of us" and i cannot even paste it into xchat | 16:07 |
| Pendulum | charlie-tca: move your mouse towards the letters? | 16:08 |
| charlie-tca | tried that | 16:08 |
| Pendulum | huh | 16:08 |
| charlie-tca | move the mouse all over. Broke it good | 16:08 |
| Pendulum | what makes me sad about dasher is that it's open source, has generally been developed by linux geeks, and it's most stable on windows :( | 16:09 |
| charlie-tca | Got to have the users to keep motivated | 16:09 |
| Pendulum | yeah | 16:09 |
| UndiFineD | how many clipboards are there ? | 16:10 |
| charlie-tca | huh? | 16:10 |
| charlie-tca | one that I know of | 16:10 |
| Pendulum | I don't use xchat so I don't know the issues there | 16:10 |
| UndiFineD | so whay could i not paste into xchat ? | 16:10 |
| Pendulum | i've never had a problem pasting or writing directly in irssi | 16:10 |
| charlie-tca | copy / paste to xchat requires keyboard to use Ctrl+v | 16:10 |
| charlie-tca | doesn't it? | 16:11 |
| Pendulum | charlie-tca: can you not right click and paste? | 16:11 |
| vish | charlie-tca: also middle click works | 16:11 |
| charlie-tca | well, sounds like I don't know after all | 16:12 |
| charlie-tca | Maybe I just use the keyboard because it is easier for me to hit things | 16:12 |
| vish | iirc, there are 2 clipboards , the middle click one is the X one and the other is whatever.. | 16:12 |
| * Pendulum gets x-chat to try to test | 16:13 | |
| Pendulum | even though dasher is horrible with this mouse :( | 16:13 |
| charlie-tca | What mouse do you normally use? | 16:14 |
| AlanBell | wonder if Dasher would be good with multitouch devices like the magic trackpad | 16:14 |
| Pendulum | charlie-tca: i use it on linux on my mac | 16:15 |
| Pendulum | so the mac trackpad | 16:15 |
| Pendulum | but i'm on my mini | 16:15 |
| Pendulum | which has a horrid trackpad | 16:15 |
| Pendulum | AlanBell: it's lovely on my MBP trackpad so I'd guess yes | 16:15 |
| charlie-tca | I would think it should work nicely with that too | 16:17 |
| charlie-tca | I use the logitech trackball, and it is smooth | 16:17 |
| AlanBell | Faisal now uses Dasher | 16:18 |
| charlie-tca | Faisal now fights with dasher? | 16:19 |
| pendulum|test | testing to see if right click works for paste in x-chat | 16:21 |
| pendulum|test | it does, but the real problem is the lack of a mouse way enter in x-chat (so really will only work in direct mode) | 16:22 |
| Pendulum | brb, need to watch Ann Widdecombe do the pasodoble | 16:23 |
| Pendulum | sorry, just felt that was the one time in my life i'd ever be able to say that ;-) | 16:26 |
| charlie-tca | heh, good a reason as any | 16:27 |
| Pendulum | charlie-tca: Anne Widdecombe is a British politician who is on Strictly Come Dancing this season. She is very entertaining and it's worse than watching my grandmother dance in terms of ability | 16:29 |
| charlie-tca | Neat! We need some entertainment in our lives | 16:29 |
| Pendulum | yes | 16:29 |
| Pendulum | I prefer Strictly to Dancing with the Stars (although I'm watching Dancing with the Stars this season, too) and i'm catching up because I got behind at UDS | 16:30 |
| AlanBell | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2snk9HhLp0 | 16:32 |
| Pendulum | AlanBell: is that a youtube of anne widdecombe dancing? | 16:33 |
| AlanBell | it is of anne widdecombe certainly. Dancing . . . not so sure about that | 16:33 |
| Pendulum | well "dancing" | 16:33 |
| Pendulum | AlanBell: btw, if you think that's bad, you should have seen her salsa | 16:37 |
| AlanBell | the girls do watch strictly and drag me in for the widdecombe dances | 16:39 |
| Pendulum | haha | 16:39 |
| AlanBell | coz I like politics :) | 16:40 |
| Pendulum | lol | 16:40 |
| Pendulum | i am loving Pamela Stevenson | 16:40 |
| AlanBell | how is your dancing going Pendulum | 16:49 |
| Pendulum | i haven't danced since uds :( | 16:49 |
| Pendulum | dunno if i'll try to schedule for this coming week or not | 16:50 |
| AlanBell | did you dance at UDS? | 16:50 |
| Pendulum | not ballroom | 16:50 |
| Pendulum | i did dance at the friday party | 16:50 |
| charlie-tca | hm, have to debug xubuntu and find why dasher won't work in direct mode for it | 17:42 |
| charlie-tca | first though, go shopping | 17:43 |
| charlie-tca | Dasher in xchat. | 20:35 |
| charlie-tca | in Xubuntu | 20:36 |
| AlanBell | http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/faisal.pdf coming on a bit now | 20:37 |
| charlie-tca | this not easy | 20:37 |
| charlie-tca | Apparently you must first start /usr/lib/at-spi-registryd in Xubuntu to use dasher direct mode | 20:38 |
| === JanC_ is now known as JanC | ||
| Pendulum | AlanBell: faisal looks good so far | 23:09 |
| Pendulum | i'll look in more detail tomorrow, but I wanted to let you know I had started looking at it :) | 23:10 |
| AlanBell | :) | 23:29 |
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