=== AlanChicken is now known as AlanBell [12:21] nice alan [15:22] nigelb: I need a picture of someone who could be Faisal [15:38] got any friends who would be a model? [15:42] AlanBell, Pendulum : any hints for learning how to use dasher? [15:46] start with it going slowly! [15:51] how/ [15:51] How do I get it to go to direct mode? [15:52] no way to do that from the gui, launch it with dasher -a [15:52] dasher -a direct [15:52] oh! Thanks [15:52] I got it going slowly, that didn't seem to help [15:53] you can select directmode in preferences [15:53] not sure how that works [15:53] I did that, but it doesn't seem to work [15:54] if you have it in direct mode you then need to give a window focus then with the mouse go back to the dasher window and start typing [15:54] if you have focus follows mouse that is probably going to be inconvenient [15:54] UndiFineD: you can't on linux. at least you couldn't last I tried [15:55] Oh, that too? [15:55] it might be easier to learn to use in non-drect mode [15:56] (I don't know because MacOS is where I learned to use it and it only has direct mode) [15:56] http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/faisal.pdf < very draft still [15:57] btw, I will be in and out today as I'm going to a baby shower! :) [15:59] oh that is nice Pendulum [15:59] dasher is .. strange [16:00] but fun to play with [16:00] but needed for some people [16:00] It is a default accessibility app [16:00] I <3 Dasher (at least when it works), but it takes a little getting used to [16:00] charlie-tca: it is? [16:00] :) [16:00] yup [16:00] tbh, though, if you're like me and use it sometimes completely instead of typing, you pick it up quickly [16:01] I will learn it... Might be a l-l-l-long process, though [16:01] you can get quite fast with it if you crank up the speed and know your alphabet well! [16:02] I think about it like those games where you have to navigate something through a maze using your mouse [16:03] Faisal should use dasher a bit I think [16:03] It is very much finding the right thing at the right time [16:04] best way to learn dasher is to unplug your keyboard on a desktop and put it out of reach then spend all evening chatting on IRC [16:05] and not to stress about how long your taking [16:05] and not to look at the window you're inputting in and focus on dasher [16:05] and stay calm when your keyboard segfaults [16:05] haha [16:06] Great idea! I will give that a try, except I broke it now [16:06] unless it segfaults in under a minute repeatedly. then you get mad and file a bug [16:06] lol [16:06] oh, and not to work about the gtk errors that come up in terminal when you launch direct mode [16:06] s/work/worry [16:06] charlie-tca: how'd you break it? [16:06] yeah, I got that one already. A lot of apps throw those [16:06] it won't do anything :-) [16:07] It just sits with all them letters scrunched up in a column [16:07] * charlie-tca thinks scrunched is the right word for that [16:07] I just dasdhered "Dasher is a difficult accessibility program which is required to be used by some of us" and i cannot even paste it into xchat [16:08] charlie-tca: move your mouse towards the letters? [16:08] tried that [16:08] huh [16:08] move the mouse all over. Broke it good [16:09] what makes me sad about dasher is that it's open source, has generally been developed by linux geeks, and it's most stable on windows :( [16:09] Got to have the users to keep motivated [16:09] yeah [16:10] how many clipboards are there ? [16:10] huh? [16:10] one that I know of [16:10] I don't use xchat so I don't know the issues there [16:10] so whay could i not paste into xchat ? [16:10] i've never had a problem pasting or writing directly in irssi [16:10] copy / paste to xchat requires keyboard to use Ctrl+v [16:11] doesn't it? [16:11] charlie-tca: can you not right click and paste? [16:11] charlie-tca: also middle click works [16:12] well, sounds like I don't know after all [16:12] Maybe I just use the keyboard because it is easier for me to hit things [16:12] iirc, there are 2 clipboards , the middle click one is the X one and the other is whatever.. [16:13] * Pendulum gets x-chat to try to test [16:13] even though dasher is horrible with this mouse :( [16:14] What mouse do you normally use? [16:14] wonder if Dasher would be good with multitouch devices like the magic trackpad [16:15] charlie-tca: i use it on linux on my mac [16:15] so the mac trackpad [16:15] but i'm on my mini [16:15] which has a horrid trackpad [16:15] AlanBell: it's lovely on my MBP trackpad so I'd guess yes [16:17] I would think it should work nicely with that too [16:17] I use the logitech trackball, and it is smooth [16:18] Faisal now uses Dasher [16:19] Faisal now fights with dasher? [16:21] testing to see if right click works for paste in x-chat [16:22] it does, but the real problem is the lack of a mouse way enter in x-chat (so really will only work in direct mode) [16:23] brb, need to watch Ann Widdecombe do the pasodoble [16:26] sorry, just felt that was the one time in my life i'd ever be able to say that ;-) [16:27] heh, good a reason as any [16:29] charlie-tca: Anne Widdecombe is a British politician who is on Strictly Come Dancing this season. She is very entertaining and it's worse than watching my grandmother dance in terms of ability [16:29] Neat! We need some entertainment in our lives [16:29] yes [16:30] I prefer Strictly to Dancing with the Stars (although I'm watching Dancing with the Stars this season, too) and i'm catching up because I got behind at UDS [16:32] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2snk9HhLp0 [16:33] AlanBell: is that a youtube of anne widdecombe dancing? [16:33] it is of anne widdecombe certainly. Dancing . . . not so sure about that [16:33] well "dancing" [16:37] AlanBell: btw, if you think that's bad, you should have seen her salsa [16:39] the girls do watch strictly and drag me in for the widdecombe dances [16:39] haha [16:40] coz I like politics :) [16:40] lol [16:40] i am loving Pamela Stevenson [16:49] how is your dancing going Pendulum [16:49] i haven't danced since uds :( [16:50] dunno if i'll try to schedule for this coming week or not [16:50] did you dance at UDS? [16:50] not ballroom [16:50] i did dance at the friday party [17:42] hm, have to debug xubuntu and find why dasher won't work in direct mode for it [17:43] first though, go shopping [20:35] Dasher in xchat. [20:36] in Xubuntu [20:37] http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/faisal.pdf coming on a bit now [20:37] this not easy [20:38] Apparently you must first start /usr/lib/at-spi-registryd in Xubuntu to use dasher direct mode === JanC_ is now known as JanC [23:09] AlanBell: faisal looks good so far [23:10] i'll look in more detail tomorrow, but I wanted to let you know I had started looking at it :) [23:29] :)