[12:21] <UndiFineD> nice alan
[15:22] <AlanBell> nigelb: I need a picture of someone who could be Faisal
[15:38] <AlanBell> got any friends who would be a model?
[15:42] <charlie-tca> AlanBell, Pendulum : any hints for learning how to use dasher?
[15:46] <AlanBell> start with it going slowly!
[15:51] <charlie-tca> how/
[15:51] <charlie-tca> How do I get it to go to direct mode?
[15:52] <AlanBell> no way to do that from the gui, launch it with dasher -a
[15:52] <AlanBell> dasher -a direct
[15:52] <charlie-tca> oh! Thanks
[15:52] <charlie-tca> I got it going slowly, that didn't seem to help
[15:53] <UndiFineD> you can select directmode in preferences
[15:53] <UndiFineD> not sure how that works
[15:53] <charlie-tca> I did that, but it doesn't seem to work
[15:54] <AlanBell> if you have it in direct mode you then need to give a window focus then with the mouse go back to the dasher window and start typing
[15:54] <AlanBell> if you have focus follows mouse that is probably going to be inconvenient
[15:54] <Pendulum> UndiFineD: you can't on linux. at least you couldn't last I tried
[15:55] <charlie-tca> Oh, that too?
[15:55] <Pendulum> it might be easier to learn to use in non-drect mode
[15:56] <Pendulum> (I don't know because MacOS is where I learned to use it and it only has direct mode)
[15:56] <AlanBell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/faisal.pdf < very draft still
[15:57] <Pendulum> btw, I will be in and out today as I'm going to a baby shower! :)
[15:59] <UndiFineD> oh that is nice Pendulum 
[15:59] <UndiFineD> dasher is .. strange
[16:00] <UndiFineD> but fun to play with
[16:00] <charlie-tca> but needed for some people
[16:00] <charlie-tca> It is a default accessibility app
[16:00] <Pendulum> I <3 Dasher (at least when it works), but it takes a little getting used to
[16:00] <Pendulum> charlie-tca: it is?
[16:00] <UndiFineD> :)
[16:00] <charlie-tca> yup
[16:00] <Pendulum> tbh, though, if you're like me and use it sometimes completely instead of typing, you pick it up quickly
[16:01] <charlie-tca> I will learn it... Might be a l-l-l-long process, though
[16:01] <AlanBell> you can get quite fast with it if you crank up the speed and know your alphabet well!
[16:02] <Pendulum> I think about it like those games where you have to navigate something through a maze using your mouse
[16:03] <AlanBell> Faisal should use dasher a bit I think
[16:03] <charlie-tca> It is very much finding the right thing at the right time
[16:04] <AlanBell> best way to learn dasher is to unplug your keyboard on a desktop and put it out of reach then spend all evening chatting on IRC
[16:05] <Pendulum> and not to stress about how long your taking
[16:05] <Pendulum> and not to look at the window you're inputting in and focus on dasher
[16:05] <AlanBell> and stay calm when your keyboard segfaults
[16:05] <Pendulum> haha
[16:06] <charlie-tca> Great idea! I will give that a try, except I broke it now
[16:06] <Pendulum> unless it segfaults in under a minute repeatedly. then you get mad and file a bug
[16:06] <charlie-tca> lol
[16:06] <Pendulum> oh, and not to work about the gtk errors that come up in terminal when you launch direct mode
[16:06] <Pendulum> s/work/worry
[16:06] <Pendulum> charlie-tca: how'd you break it?
[16:06] <charlie-tca> yeah, I got that one already. A lot of apps throw those
[16:06] <charlie-tca> it won't do anything :-)
[16:07] <charlie-tca> It just sits with all them letters scrunched up in a column
[16:07]  * charlie-tca thinks scrunched is the right word for that
[16:07] <UndiFineD> I just dasdhered "Dasher is a difficult accessibility program which is required to be used by some of us" and i cannot even paste it into xchat
[16:08] <Pendulum> charlie-tca: move your mouse towards the letters?
[16:08] <charlie-tca> tried that
[16:08] <Pendulum> huh
[16:08] <charlie-tca> move the mouse all over. Broke it good
[16:09] <Pendulum> what makes me sad about dasher is that it's open source, has generally been developed by linux geeks, and it's most stable on windows :(
[16:09] <charlie-tca> Got to have the users to keep motivated
[16:09] <Pendulum> yeah
[16:10] <UndiFineD> how many clipboards are there ?
[16:10] <charlie-tca> huh?
[16:10] <charlie-tca> one that I know of
[16:10] <Pendulum> I don't use xchat so I don't know the issues there
[16:10] <UndiFineD> so whay could i not paste into xchat ?
[16:10] <Pendulum> i've never had a problem pasting or writing directly in irssi
[16:10] <charlie-tca> copy / paste to xchat requires keyboard to use Ctrl+v
[16:11] <charlie-tca> doesn't it?
[16:11] <Pendulum> charlie-tca: can you not right click and paste?
[16:11] <vish> charlie-tca: also middle click works
[16:12] <charlie-tca> well, sounds like I don't know after all
[16:12] <charlie-tca> Maybe I just use the keyboard because it is easier for me to hit things
[16:12] <vish> iirc, there are 2 clipboards , the middle click one is the X one and the other is whatever..
[16:13]  * Pendulum gets x-chat to try to test
[16:13] <Pendulum> even though dasher is horrible with this mouse :(
[16:14] <charlie-tca> What mouse do you normally use?
[16:14] <AlanBell> wonder if Dasher would be good with multitouch devices like the magic trackpad
[16:15] <Pendulum> charlie-tca: i use it on linux on my mac
[16:15] <Pendulum> so the mac trackpad
[16:15] <Pendulum> but i'm on my mini
[16:15] <Pendulum> which has a horrid trackpad
[16:15] <Pendulum> AlanBell: it's lovely on my MBP trackpad so I'd guess yes
[16:17] <charlie-tca> I would think it should work nicely with that too
[16:17] <charlie-tca> I use the logitech trackball, and it is smooth
[16:18] <AlanBell> Faisal now uses Dasher
[16:19] <charlie-tca> Faisal now fights with dasher?
[16:21] <pendulum|test> testing to see if right click works for paste in x-chat 
[16:22] <pendulum|test> it does, but the real problem is the lack of a mouse way enter in x-chat (so really will only work in direct mode)
[16:23] <Pendulum> brb, need to watch Ann Widdecombe do the pasodoble
[16:26] <Pendulum> sorry, just felt that was the one time in my life i'd ever be able to say that ;-)
[16:27] <charlie-tca> heh, good a reason as any
[16:29] <Pendulum> charlie-tca: Anne Widdecombe is a British politician who is on Strictly Come Dancing this season. She is very entertaining and it's worse than watching my grandmother dance in terms of ability
[16:29] <charlie-tca> Neat! We need some entertainment in our lives
[16:29] <Pendulum> yes
[16:30] <Pendulum> I prefer Strictly to Dancing with the Stars (although I'm watching Dancing with the Stars this season, too) and i'm catching up because I got behind at UDS
[16:32] <AlanBell> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2snk9HhLp0
[16:33] <Pendulum> AlanBell: is that a youtube of anne widdecombe dancing?
[16:33] <AlanBell> it is of anne widdecombe certainly. Dancing . . . not so sure about that
[16:33] <Pendulum> well "dancing"
[16:37] <Pendulum> AlanBell: btw, if you think that's bad, you should have seen her salsa
[16:39] <AlanBell> the girls do watch strictly and drag me in for the widdecombe dances
[16:39] <Pendulum> haha
[16:40] <AlanBell> coz I like politics :)
[16:40] <Pendulum> lol
[16:40] <Pendulum> i am loving Pamela Stevenson
[16:49] <AlanBell> how is your dancing going Pendulum 
[16:49] <Pendulum> i haven't danced since uds :(
[16:50] <Pendulum> dunno if i'll try to schedule for this coming week or not
[16:50] <AlanBell> did you dance at UDS?
[16:50] <Pendulum> not ballroom
[16:50] <Pendulum> i did dance at the friday party
[17:42] <charlie-tca> hm, have to debug xubuntu and find why dasher won't work in direct mode for it
[17:43] <charlie-tca> first though, go shopping
[20:35] <charlie-tca> Dasher in xchat.
[20:36] <charlie-tca> in Xubuntu
[20:37] <AlanBell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/faisal.pdf coming on a bit now
[20:37] <charlie-tca> this not easy 
[20:38] <charlie-tca> Apparently you must first start /usr/lib/at-spi-registryd in Xubuntu to use dasher direct mode
[23:09] <Pendulum> AlanBell: faisal looks good so far
[23:10] <Pendulum> i'll look in more detail tomorrow, but I wanted to let you know I had started looking at it :)
[23:29] <AlanBell> :)