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j_baerDoctormo ?00:30
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vishhrm! artwork ML has its own fredrik!08:52
thorwillol08:57
thorwilvish: that's not fair08:57
vish:p08:57
thorwilvish: argh, John mailed to libreoffice-marketing, "representing" the artwork team, basically offering our services as a unit09:04
vishexactly why i remarked..! ;)09:05
thorwilbut of course! vish is already there09:06
vishthorwil: nah, not subscribed there, but it was brought to my attention..09:07
thorwilvish: i will answer that mail to say that it will make more sense for libreoffice to manage design tasks themselves09:08
vishthorwil: any news on the brainstorm site?09:15
thorwilvish: you saw the post on the planet, about the brainstorm site receiving some scheduled attention?09:17
vishthorwil: oh? i must have missed it.. :(09:17
thorwilvish: http://mdzlog.alcor.net/2010/11/03/weathering-the-ubuntu-brainstorm/09:18
thorwilvish: it seemed like there would be nothing stopping the logo update anymore, but it still didn't happen, so far09:20
vishthorwil: yea i saw this one, but that does not mention anything about the site being updated, but rather about the ideas getting attention..09:20
vishthorwil: right, i dint want to mention about chaotic/marcus in the reply.. maybe one of them should reply to the list..09:21
thorwilvish: when i talked with Iain at uds, he said he thought UB might be about to be phased out, but that blog post cleared that up09:22
vishcool.. maybe we should use UB more for ayatana.. and then it would get phased out ;)09:23
thorwilheh09:23
vishthorwil: what are the different statuses for the task wiki page?09:35
thorwilvish: hmm? ask John, i guess?09:35
vishhmm..09:36
* thorwil puts vish in BCC09:44
vishnot even sure what john was/is thinking … how can we offer services when we arent even active :s09:52
vishand can manage/complete our own tasks..09:52
vishcant*09:52
thorwilyeah09:54
thorwillovely. the wiki css will need some love. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Tasks?action=diff&rev1=15&rev2=1609:56
thorwilDeletions are marked like this.  Additions are marked like this.09:56
thorwilnot to forget: text is marked like this09:57
vishlol!!!09:58
vishargh and there seems no way to indent lines twice, or atleast it has changed with the new wiki10:16
vishhrm! and no italics?!!?10:20
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tourachhey everyone15:21
tourachI'm working on some concept art, just enquiring on where to upload to for people to have a look.  Please excuse if im typing in the wrong place, never used IRC before.15:23
coz_tourach,  this is for ubuntu this concept art?15:30
tourachhi coz_, yes it is.15:31
tourachits not finished, but just thought I'd get an opinion on style, before finishing it15:32
coz_tourach,  ah so you want someone here to look at it?15:32
tourachif that's ok.15:32
tourachI've never tried to submit anything before15:33
tourachso didn't want to look like a fool, posting in the wrong place15:33
coz_tourach,  well if you just want someone here to look at it you can upload the image to picpaste.com and then link it here15:33
coz_tourach,  if you want to submit artwork  ,mm let me check for the link15:34
tourachthank you, that's great.15:34
tourachcoz_, the link is http://picpaste.com/raw_levels-6hS4RVjG.png15:36
coz_tourach,   check this link ... there is a link to the mailing list  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork?action=show&redirect=ArtworkTeam15:37
coz_tourach,  interesting work :)... also remember that natty narwhol is a narwhol :)15:37
tourachcoz_, thanks coz.   So no penguin?15:38
coz_tourach,  well  ... that  is entirely up to you...but if you want your work to be considered for the next version... a penquin is generally just the general linux   image15:39
coz_tourach,  although   an image like that might also be considered for  Edubuntu15:40
tourachcoz_, awesome.  I will finish it then.  Thanks very much.  Am I ok to paste a finished link in here when it's done?15:40
coz_tourach,   well I would join their mailing list  and also ask in #edubuntu  channel  how to submit work15:41
coz_tourach,   I havent submitted work for many years so I forget :)15:41
tourachthanks very much.  Hope I havn't noobed out too much.15:42
tourachall the best.15:42
j_baertourach, I am late to this thread. What do you want to do?15:42
coz_tourach,  not at all..also you might want to join the ubuntu community art team15:42
tourachthanks.15:42
coz_j_baer,  he wants to submit some artwork15:42
tourachI will paste the unfinished link again15:43
tourachhttp://picpaste.com/raw_levels-6hS4RVjG.png15:43
j_baertourach, very nice. Was this done in GIMP?15:44
j_baerMy vision is most of the  default artwork for default wallpaper will flow threw the Artwork Team via the mailing list.15:45
tourachthe colour correction was using gimp and gnome-color, but most of it was done using MyPaint15:45
coz_tourach,  ah mypaint...congratulations... a worthwhile application :)15:45
tourachawesome,  I just thought that a painting might be quite cool.  As I say its far from finished.15:46
coz_tourach,  welll my paint is probably the best natural media application for linux...even competes somwhat with Corel Painter15:47
tourachcoz_, yeah, I prefer it for mimicking real paint over GIMP.15:47
j_baertourach, check out the wiki ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork ) and join the list. We can certainly use your talents.15:47
j_baerI expect wallpaper requests to start showing up shortly.15:47
tourachthanks very much, more than anything I will look for suggestions.15:48
tourachanyway, I'm gonna shoot.  sunday dinner and all.15:49
tourachall the best everyone, thanks for your help.15:49
coz_tourach,  ok dont forget to come to this channel often :)15:49
tourachwill do.15:49
tourachbye bye15:49
j_baerBest regards ..15:49
vishj_baer: hey again, you can just idle here ... i think thorwil wanted to mention something and *poof* you were gone ;) .. sometimes people wont be at the computer but will just leave the irc chat client idle15:57
vishj_baer: i dont understand the columns in the tasks wiki? what are the statuses15:58
vish?15:58
vishj_baer: when does a task get assigned?15:58
j_baerSorry, it seems as soon I open this window up something happens.15:58
j_baerMy vision is we receive a request from the community to do something. The team via the mailing list discusses the request, the some agreed to accept it.16:00
j_baerThe next step is to create a spec.16:01
j_baerHold on, I have my first interruption - be right back.16:01
vishj_baer: k, so then we need a set of statuses for each of those steps.. first we'd need to know what are all the steps you have in mind.16:03
vishj_baer: also, are you planning on working on the LibO icons or designs?16:03
j_baervish - I have exit but I will catch up later. :(  I just posted to LibO list late last night and I haven't had a chance to review my email today. I will post something to the list as a step by step.16:06
vishj_baer: cool, as for your question yesterday about the survey.. it is to identify the need for a team and how the response will be from the team16:06
vishj_baer: k.. bye..16:06
j_baerCool - bye.16:07
thorwil:}16:40
vish[21:15] <j_baer> My vision is most of the  default artwork for default wallpaper will flow threw the Artwork Team via the mailing list.17:29
vishthorwil: not sure how/if that would happen^17:30
thorwilvish: the team is full of people who have at least as much skill and time to spend on it and are in a similarly good position regarding the communication streams to decision makers as chaotic. so it should be no problem to realize that vision and i'm puzzled why it didn't happen yet!17:33
vishlol!17:35
dn_desakuyou would think this channel would be more active21:43
coz_dn_desaku,  I have often said that :)21:43
dn_desakucoz_ so are you working on anything interesting?21:44
coz_dn_desaku,  no really... I have already submitted suggestions for compiz/unitly logo21:44
dn_desakumay I see?21:45
coz_ah hold on21:45
coz_dn_desaku, one version   http://dl.dropbox.com/u/132551/compiz-unity/cu3.svg21:45
dn_desakuwell, I can say that I like cu3 better than cu221:47
dn_desaku:)21:47
coz_dn_desaku,  have you tried compiz/unity?21:47
dn_desakucompiz yes, but unity no21:48
coz_dn_desaku,  ah ok  ,, compiz/unity is the next version .0421:49
coz_I heard it is not working at the moment21:49
dn_desakuah, I'm very lazy about looking into these things. I don't configure compositing beyond setting effects to the highest option21:51
coz_dn_desaku,  oh ok so you didnt get into  compizconfig-settings-manager then21:51
dn_desaku nope21:52
coz_dn_desaku,  much can be done with ccsm ...if you want to test a few things you can meet me in #compiz21:52
dn_desakuoh nvm, I lied. I do have it on XD21:53
coz_oh ok :)21:54
dn_desakuI remember when I changed the friction of the wobbly windows to near zero21:54
dn_desakuit was so broken XD21:55
coz_dn_desaku,  yes you dont want to do that again :)21:55
coz_although set correctly,,, you can "toss" windows off the screenw ith that21:55
coz_screen21:55
dn_desakuyeah, I was being distracted from writing this code I was on so I decided to screw around with compiz21:56
dn_desakuI set friction to near 021:56
dn_desakuand tossed vim of the monitor21:56
coz_:)21:56
dn_desakuI was thinking "dammmmmit"21:56
dn_desakuwell, I tossed it but it kept on jiggling and I couldn't touch it :(21:56
dn_desakuI was so sad21:56
coz_I also want to add that that logo was improved by Cepren although I cant spell that with this keyboard since it's russian :)21:57
dn_desakuhere was the last thing I drew: http://davidnuon.deviantart.com/art/Swifty-18586511521:58
coz_ah  humming bird :)21:58
dn_desakuyeah21:59
dn_desakuthen I thought21:59
coz_dn_desaku,   inkscape?21:59
dn_desakuIllustrator21:59
coz_dn_desaku,  ah ok ,, have you tried inkscape?21:59
dn_desakuyeah21:59
dn_desakuI use GIMP and Inkscape when I'm running Ubuntu21:59
dn_desakuAdobe CS while on Windows21:59
coz_ah good21:59
coz_dn_desaku,  you may be interested in a few other applications on linux   Pencil   mypaint  and Pinta22:00
dn_desakuI tried Pencil, I liked it22:00
coz_dn_desaku,  not a bad substitute for Flash  but has a long way to go22:01
dn_desakuI never used Pencil like flash22:01
dn_desakuI used Pencil because it was like doing paper animation in real life22:01
dn_desakuthat's why I liked it22:01
dn_desakubut then I found PAP22:02
coz_dn_desaku,  ah I see,, it does flash animations as well :)22:02
dn_desakuso I got that22:02
coz_PAP ?22:02
dn_desakuPlastic Animation Paper22:02
coz_for linux?22:02
dn_desakuWindows22:02
coz_oh its for linux as well22:03
coz_http://plasticanimationpaper.dk/download3.asp22:03
coz_whoa costs are way too high22:03
dn_desakuwhat, I remember it costing less22:04
dn_desakuway less22:04
dn_desakuoh yeah, when PAP wasn't free, I did all my animation in Photoshop XD22:05
coz_ooo that uses an outdatd libstcd+= library22:06
coz_outdated22:06
dn_desakupap?22:06
coz_yes22:06
coz_trying to fix it here22:06
dn_desakuyeah, the devs stopped working on it22:06
coz_doesnt work well22:07
dn_desakucoz_, so what kind of artist are you?22:08
coz_dn_desaku,  mypaint is a natureal media  application if that interests you22:08
coz_dn_desaku,  well... I am a painter and sculptor  by training  but on linux I do all of the graphics for compiz  ,, some for cairo dock and hopefully some for compiz-unity22:09
dn_desakucoz_, ah, I'm just an illustrator and graphic designer :)22:10
coz_dn_desaku,  "just"  ??22:10
coz_dn_desaku,  nothing just about illustration or graphic design :)22:11
dn_desakuhaha22:11
coz_dn_desaku,  all of the arts take the same concentration and creative enery to work in  so none of it is lesser or greater22:11
dn_desaku'just',  as in what I focus on :P22:12
coz_dn_desaku,  the final composition is the thing that counts22:12
coz_dn_desaku,  ah understood22:12
dn_desakucoz_, my any chance do you use a wacom tablet on ubuntu?22:13
coz_dn_desaku,  i do yes  I have a wacom intuos3 9x1222:14
dn_desakudo you have one monitor or two?22:14
coz_222:14
coz_9x12 would be painful on one monitor :)22:14
dn_desakuXD22:14
dn_desakuhow would I constrain the tablet cursor to one monitor?22:15
coz_I have a smalle wacom I could use but I find it too sensitive22:15
coz_dn_desaku,  mmm22:15
coz_dn_desaku,  why would you want that?22:15
coz_dn_desaku,  you would probably have to set up wacom to use only the primary monitor22:15
coz_dn_desaku,  what size tablet is it?22:15
dn_desakuI don't know the size, it's the smaller early bamboo22:16
dn_desakulet me check22:16
dn_desaku5.8* 3.722:17
dn_desakuin inches22:17
coz_dn_desaku,  and you have dual monitors?22:17
dn_desakuyes22:17
coz_dn_desaku,  ooo that table would be all over the place22:17
coz_tablet22:17
coz_dn_desaku,  its too sensitive for both monitors yes?  small movement on table  ...big movement on dual screens22:18
coz_tablet22:18
dn_desakuyeah XD22:18
coz_yeah same issue with same size table if I connected it ....mmmm22:18
coz_let me check something22:18
dn_desakuI think you're supposed to edit an x config file but I don't know which one T_T22:19
coz_dn_desaku,  well you might have to write to the xorg.conf but hold on I am checking22:20
coz_dn_desaku,   you might be interested in this which I found   while searching for settings ,,,I have no idea if it works   http://gtk-apps.org/content/show.php/Wacom+Control+Panel?content=10430922:25
dn_desakuoo thanks22:26
coz_dn_desaku,  I am going to test that utility now so hold on22:28
coz_dn_desaku,  well it installed and seems to work ,, but wont know for sure until i restart22:31
coz_dn_desaku,  i am not finding much on calibrating the tablet for use on primary monitor... and I cant think of a good channel to go to for that ,,,, unless ##linux might know22:33
dn_desakuI found this: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/jaunty/man4/wacom.4x.html22:33
dn_desakuand I think I'm going to screw around with that for a bit22:34
coz_ok let me know if you get it to work  properly ,, it would come in handy later :)22:34
dn_desakuhere we go: Option "ScreenNo" "n"22:35
coz_cool22:35
dn_desakuoh god, I don't see any wacom config in xorg.conf. I'll have to write it myself :\22:37
dn_desakuoh well22:37
coz_dn_desaku,  ooo yeah that has been changed22:37
dn_desakudamn, my laziness is not rewarded XD22:38
coz_sorry about that22:38
dn_desakuwell, now I know what to do now22:39
coz_dn_desaku,  ok cool22:39
dn_desakuthanks for the help :)22:40
coz_no problem  let me know if all works out well :)22:40

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