[00:30] <j_baer> Doctormo ?
[08:52] <vish> hrm! artwork ML has its own fredrik!
[08:57] <thorwil> lol
[08:57] <thorwil> vish: that's not fair
[08:57] <vish> :p
[09:04] <thorwil> vish: argh, John mailed to libreoffice-marketing, "representing" the artwork team, basically offering our services as a unit
[09:05] <vish> exactly why i remarked..! ;)
[09:06] <thorwil> but of course! vish is already there
[09:07] <vish> thorwil: nah, not subscribed there, but it was brought to my attention..
[09:08] <thorwil> vish: i will answer that mail to say that it will make more sense for libreoffice to manage design tasks themselves
[09:15] <vish> thorwil: any news on the brainstorm site?
[09:17] <thorwil> vish: you saw the post on the planet, about the brainstorm site receiving some scheduled attention?
[09:17] <vish> thorwil: oh? i must have missed it.. :(
[09:18] <thorwil> vish: http://mdzlog.alcor.net/2010/11/03/weathering-the-ubuntu-brainstorm/
[09:20] <thorwil> vish: it seemed like there would be nothing stopping the logo update anymore, but it still didn't happen, so far
[09:20] <vish> thorwil: yea i saw this one, but that does not mention anything about the site being updated, but rather about the ideas getting attention..
[09:21] <vish> thorwil: right, i dint want to mention about chaotic/marcus in the reply.. maybe one of them should reply to the list..
[09:22] <thorwil> vish: when i talked with Iain at uds, he said he thought UB might be about to be phased out, but that blog post cleared that up
[09:23] <vish> cool.. maybe we should use UB more for ayatana.. and then it would get phased out ;)
[09:23] <thorwil> heh
[09:35] <vish> thorwil: what are the different statuses for the task wiki page?
[09:35] <thorwil> vish: hmm? ask John, i guess?
[09:36] <vish> hmm..
[09:44]  * thorwil puts vish in BCC
[09:52] <vish> not even sure what john was/is thinking … how can we offer services when we arent even active :s
[09:52] <vish> and can manage/complete our own tasks..
[09:52] <vish> cant*
[09:54] <thorwil> yeah
[09:56] <thorwil> lovely. the wiki css will need some love. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Tasks?action=diff&rev1=15&rev2=16
[09:56] <thorwil> Deletions are marked like this.  	Additions are marked like this.
[09:57] <thorwil> not to forget: text is marked like this
[09:58] <vish> lol!!!
[10:16] <vish> argh and there seems no way to indent lines twice, or atleast it has changed with the new wiki
[10:20] <vish> hrm! and no italics?!!?
[15:21] <tourach> hey everyone
[15:23] <tourach> I'm working on some concept art, just enquiring on where to upload to for people to have a look.  Please excuse if im typing in the wrong place, never used IRC before.
[15:30] <coz_> tourach,  this is for ubuntu this concept art?
[15:31] <tourach> hi coz_, yes it is.
[15:32] <tourach> its not finished, but just thought I'd get an opinion on style, before finishing it
[15:32] <coz_> tourach,  ah so you want someone here to look at it?
[15:32] <tourach> if that's ok.
[15:33] <tourach> I've never tried to submit anything before
[15:33] <tourach> so didn't want to look like a fool, posting in the wrong place
[15:33] <coz_> tourach,  well if you just want someone here to look at it you can upload the image to picpaste.com and then link it here
[15:34] <coz_> tourach,  if you want to submit artwork  ,mm let me check for the link
[15:34] <tourach> thank you, that's great.
[15:36] <tourach> coz_, the link is http://picpaste.com/raw_levels-6hS4RVjG.png
[15:37] <coz_> tourach,   check this link ... there is a link to the mailing list  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork?action=show&redirect=ArtworkTeam
[15:37] <coz_> tourach,  interesting work :)... also remember that natty narwhol is a narwhol :)
[15:38] <tourach> coz_, thanks coz.   So no penguin?
[15:39] <coz_> tourach,  well  ... that  is entirely up to you...but if you want your work to be considered for the next version... a penquin is generally just the general linux   image
[15:40] <coz_> tourach,  although   an image like that might also be considered for  Edubuntu
[15:40] <tourach> coz_, awesome.  I will finish it then.  Thanks very much.  Am I ok to paste a finished link in here when it's done?
[15:41] <coz_> tourach,   well I would join their mailing list  and also ask in #edubuntu  channel  how to submit work
[15:41] <coz_> tourach,   I havent submitted work for many years so I forget :)
[15:42] <tourach> thanks very much.  Hope I havn't noobed out too much.
[15:42] <tourach> all the best.
[15:42] <j_baer> tourach, I am late to this thread. What do you want to do?
[15:42] <coz_> tourach,  not at all..also you might want to join the ubuntu community art team
[15:42] <tourach> thanks.
[15:42] <coz_> j_baer,  he wants to submit some artwork
[15:43] <tourach> I will paste the unfinished link again
[15:43] <tourach> http://picpaste.com/raw_levels-6hS4RVjG.png
[15:44] <j_baer> tourach, very nice. Was this done in GIMP?
[15:45] <j_baer> My vision is most of the  default artwork for default wallpaper will flow threw the Artwork Team via the mailing list.
[15:45] <tourach> the colour correction was using gimp and gnome-color, but most of it was done using MyPaint
[15:45] <coz_> tourach,  ah mypaint...congratulations... a worthwhile application :)
[15:46] <tourach> awesome,  I just thought that a painting might be quite cool.  As I say its far from finished.
[15:47] <coz_> tourach,  welll my paint is probably the best natural media application for linux...even competes somwhat with Corel Painter
[15:47] <tourach> coz_, yeah, I prefer it for mimicking real paint over GIMP.
[15:47] <j_baer> tourach, check out the wiki ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork ) and join the list. We can certainly use your talents.
[15:47] <j_baer> I expect wallpaper requests to start showing up shortly.
[15:48] <tourach> thanks very much, more than anything I will look for suggestions.
[15:49] <tourach> anyway, I'm gonna shoot.  sunday dinner and all.
[15:49] <tourach> all the best everyone, thanks for your help.
[15:49] <coz_> tourach,  ok dont forget to come to this channel often :)
[15:49] <tourach> will do.
[15:49] <tourach> bye bye
[15:49] <j_baer> Best regards ..
[15:57] <vish> j_baer: hey again, you can just idle here ... i think thorwil wanted to mention something and *poof* you were gone ;) .. sometimes people wont be at the computer but will just leave the irc chat client idle
[15:58] <vish> j_baer: i dont understand the columns in the tasks wiki? what are the statuses
[15:58] <vish> ?
[15:58] <vish> j_baer: when does a task get assigned?
[15:58] <j_baer> Sorry, it seems as soon I open this window up something happens.
[16:00] <j_baer> My vision is we receive a request from the community to do something. The team via the mailing list discusses the request, the some agreed to accept it.
[16:01] <j_baer> The next step is to create a spec.
[16:01] <j_baer> Hold on, I have my first interruption - be right back.
[16:03] <vish> j_baer: k, so then we need a set of statuses for each of those steps.. first we'd need to know what are all the steps you have in mind.
[16:03] <vish> j_baer: also, are you planning on working on the LibO icons or designs?
[16:06] <j_baer> vish - I have exit but I will catch up later. :(  I just posted to LibO list late last night and I haven't had a chance to review my email today. I will post something to the list as a step by step.
[16:06] <vish> j_baer: cool, as for your question yesterday about the survey.. it is to identify the need for a team and how the response will be from the team
[16:06] <vish> j_baer: k.. bye..
[16:07] <j_baer> Cool - bye.
[16:40] <thorwil> :}
[17:29] <vish> [21:15] <j_baer> My vision is most of the  default artwork for default wallpaper will flow threw the Artwork Team via the mailing list.
[17:30] <vish> thorwil: not sure how/if that would happen^
[17:33] <thorwil> vish: the team is full of people who have at least as much skill and time to spend on it and are in a similarly good position regarding the communication streams to decision makers as chaotic. so it should be no problem to realize that vision and i'm puzzled why it didn't happen yet!
[17:35] <vish> lol!
[21:43] <dn_desaku> you would think this channel would be more active
[21:43] <coz_> dn_desaku,  I have often said that :)
[21:44] <dn_desaku> coz_ so are you working on anything interesting?
[21:44] <coz_> dn_desaku,  no really... I have already submitted suggestions for compiz/unitly logo
[21:45] <dn_desaku> may I see?
[21:45] <coz_> ah hold on
[21:45] <coz_> dn_desaku, one version   http://dl.dropbox.com/u/132551/compiz-unity/cu3.svg
[21:47] <dn_desaku> well, I can say that I like cu3 better than cu2
[21:47] <dn_desaku> :)
[21:47] <coz_> dn_desaku,  have you tried compiz/unity?
[21:48] <dn_desaku> compiz yes, but unity no
[21:49] <coz_> dn_desaku,  ah ok  ,, compiz/unity is the next version .04
[21:49] <coz_> I heard it is not working at the moment
[21:51] <dn_desaku> ah, I'm very lazy about looking into these things. I don't configure compositing beyond setting effects to the highest option
[21:51] <coz_> dn_desaku,  oh ok so you didnt get into  compizconfig-settings-manager then
[21:52] <dn_desaku>  nope
[21:52] <coz_> dn_desaku,  much can be done with ccsm ...if you want to test a few things you can meet me in #compiz
[21:53] <dn_desaku> oh nvm, I lied. I do have it on XD
[21:54] <coz_> oh ok :)
[21:54] <dn_desaku> I remember when I changed the friction of the wobbly windows to near zero
[21:55] <dn_desaku> it was so broken XD
[21:55] <coz_> dn_desaku,  yes you dont want to do that again :)
[21:55] <coz_> although set correctly,,, you can "toss" windows off the screenw ith that
[21:55] <coz_> screen
[21:56] <dn_desaku> yeah, I was being distracted from writing this code I was on so I decided to screw around with compiz
[21:56] <dn_desaku> I set friction to near 0
[21:56] <dn_desaku> and tossed vim of the monitor
[21:56] <coz_> :)
[21:56] <dn_desaku> I was thinking "dammmmmit"
[21:56] <dn_desaku> well, I tossed it but it kept on jiggling and I couldn't touch it :(
[21:56] <dn_desaku> I was so sad
[21:57] <coz_> I also want to add that that logo was improved by Cepren although I cant spell that with this keyboard since it's russian :)
[21:58] <dn_desaku> here was the last thing I drew: http://davidnuon.deviantart.com/art/Swifty-185865115
[21:58] <coz_> ah  humming bird :)
[21:59] <dn_desaku> yeah
[21:59] <dn_desaku> then I thought
[21:59] <coz_> dn_desaku,   inkscape?
[21:59] <dn_desaku> Illustrator
[21:59] <coz_> dn_desaku,  ah ok ,, have you tried inkscape?
[21:59] <dn_desaku> yeah
[21:59] <dn_desaku> I use GIMP and Inkscape when I'm running Ubuntu
[21:59] <dn_desaku> Adobe CS while on Windows
[21:59] <coz_> ah good
[22:00] <coz_> dn_desaku,  you may be interested in a few other applications on linux   Pencil   mypaint  and Pinta
[22:00] <dn_desaku> I tried Pencil, I liked it
[22:01] <coz_> dn_desaku,  not a bad substitute for Flash  but has a long way to go
[22:01] <dn_desaku> I never used Pencil like flash
[22:01] <dn_desaku> I used Pencil because it was like doing paper animation in real life
[22:01] <dn_desaku> that's why I liked it
[22:02] <dn_desaku> but then I found PAP
[22:02] <coz_> dn_desaku,  ah I see,, it does flash animations as well :)
[22:02] <dn_desaku> so I got that
[22:02] <coz_> PAP ?
[22:02] <dn_desaku> Plastic Animation Paper
[22:02] <coz_> for linux?
[22:02] <dn_desaku> Windows
[22:03] <coz_> oh its for linux as well
[22:03] <coz_> http://plasticanimationpaper.dk/download3.asp
[22:03] <coz_> whoa costs are way too high
[22:04] <dn_desaku> what, I remember it costing less
[22:04] <dn_desaku> way less
[22:05] <dn_desaku> oh yeah, when PAP wasn't free, I did all my animation in Photoshop XD
[22:06] <coz_> ooo that uses an outdatd libstcd+= library
[22:06] <coz_> outdated
[22:06] <dn_desaku> pap?
[22:06] <coz_> yes
[22:06] <coz_> trying to fix it here
[22:06] <dn_desaku> yeah, the devs stopped working on it
[22:07] <coz_> doesnt work well
[22:08] <dn_desaku> coz_, so what kind of artist are you?
[22:08] <coz_> dn_desaku,  mypaint is a natureal media  application if that interests you
[22:09] <coz_> dn_desaku,  well... I am a painter and sculptor  by training  but on linux I do all of the graphics for compiz  ,, some for cairo dock and hopefully some for compiz-unity
[22:10] <dn_desaku> coz_, ah, I'm just an illustrator and graphic designer :)
[22:10] <coz_> dn_desaku,  "just"  ??
[22:11] <coz_> dn_desaku,  nothing just about illustration or graphic design :)
[22:11] <dn_desaku> haha
[22:11] <coz_> dn_desaku,  all of the arts take the same concentration and creative enery to work in  so none of it is lesser or greater
[22:12] <dn_desaku> 'just',  as in what I focus on :P
[22:12] <coz_> dn_desaku,  the final composition is the thing that counts
[22:12] <coz_> dn_desaku,  ah understood
[22:13] <dn_desaku> coz_, my any chance do you use a wacom tablet on ubuntu?
[22:14] <coz_> dn_desaku,  i do yes  I have a wacom intuos3 9x12
[22:14] <dn_desaku> do you have one monitor or two?
[22:14] <coz_> 2
[22:14] <coz_> 9x12 would be painful on one monitor :)
[22:14] <dn_desaku> XD
[22:15] <dn_desaku> how would I constrain the tablet cursor to one monitor?
[22:15] <coz_> I have a smalle wacom I could use but I find it too sensitive
[22:15] <coz_> dn_desaku,  mmm
[22:15] <coz_> dn_desaku,  why would you want that?
[22:15] <coz_> dn_desaku,  you would probably have to set up wacom to use only the primary monitor
[22:15] <coz_> dn_desaku,  what size tablet is it?
[22:16] <dn_desaku> I don't know the size, it's the smaller early bamboo
[22:16] <dn_desaku> let me check
[22:17] <dn_desaku> 5.8* 3.7
[22:17] <dn_desaku> in inches
[22:17] <coz_> dn_desaku,  and you have dual monitors?
[22:17] <dn_desaku> yes
[22:17] <coz_> dn_desaku,  ooo that table would be all over the place
[22:17] <coz_> tablet
[22:18] <coz_> dn_desaku,  its too sensitive for both monitors yes?  small movement on table  ...big movement on dual screens
[22:18] <coz_> tablet
[22:18] <dn_desaku> yeah XD
[22:18] <coz_> yeah same issue with same size table if I connected it ....mmmm
[22:18] <coz_> let me check something
[22:19] <dn_desaku> I think you're supposed to edit an x config file but I don't know which one T_T
[22:20] <coz_> dn_desaku,  well you might have to write to the xorg.conf but hold on I am checking
[22:25] <coz_> dn_desaku,   you might be interested in this which I found   while searching for settings ,,,I have no idea if it works   http://gtk-apps.org/content/show.php/Wacom+Control+Panel?content=104309
[22:26] <dn_desaku> oo thanks
[22:28] <coz_> dn_desaku,  I am going to test that utility now so hold on
[22:31] <coz_> dn_desaku,  well it installed and seems to work ,, but wont know for sure until i restart
[22:33] <coz_> dn_desaku,  i am not finding much on calibrating the tablet for use on primary monitor... and I cant think of a good channel to go to for that ,,,, unless ##linux might know
[22:33] <dn_desaku> I found this: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/jaunty/man4/wacom.4x.html
[22:34] <dn_desaku> and I think I'm going to screw around with that for a bit
[22:34] <coz_> ok let me know if you get it to work  properly ,, it would come in handy later :)
[22:35] <dn_desaku> here we go: Option "ScreenNo" "n"
[22:35] <coz_> cool
[22:37] <dn_desaku> oh god, I don't see any wacom config in xorg.conf. I'll have to write it myself :\
[22:37] <dn_desaku> oh well
[22:37] <coz_> dn_desaku,  ooo yeah that has been changed
[22:38] <dn_desaku> damn, my laziness is not rewarded XD
[22:38] <coz_> sorry about that
[22:39] <dn_desaku> well, now I know what to do now
[22:39] <coz_> dn_desaku,  ok cool
[22:40] <dn_desaku> thanks for the help :)
[22:40] <coz_> no problem  let me know if all works out well :)