[00:08] <kim0> duanedesign: hey there .. sorry for not noticing your question earlier .. Well I can't really say I've seen a killer cloud book. It's not really a separate field, any seasoned Linux server sys-admin is going to feel mostly at home. It's all about config management, and a high level of automation (unless your work for amazon :)
[00:09] <kim0> duanedesign: might wanna hang out in #ubuntu-cloud as well
[00:09] <kim0> and since it's past 2am for me .. I need to disappear :)
[02:00] <ScottL> doctormo, i realized my previous comment may seem inordinately negative so i would like to clarify
[02:01] <ScottL> i will be happy to be of any possible assistance and i look forward to talking with you next week about helping you with wacom support :)
[02:47] <nigelb> Morning folks
[02:47] <nigelb> darn, I missed paultag. :/
[03:16] <duanedesign> helloooo nigelb
[03:20] <nigelb> hello duanedesign
[06:08] <doctormo> ScottL: I didn't take it in any other way than positive :-) I knew what you meant.
[09:47] <sense> goedemorgen
[12:53] <duanedesign> morning sense
[12:56] <sense> hi duanedesign
[12:56] <nigelb> 'lo sense and duanedesign :)
[12:57] <nigelb> taking a nap 'for just half an hour' wasn't a great idea
[12:58] <sense> hi ni
[12:59] <duanedesign> nigelb: heh, i do that sometimes on my lunch break if I am really tired
[12:59] <duanedesign> nigelb: its a little iffy if it is helpful or not :P
[13:03] <nigelb> heh
[13:55] <vish> duanedesign: hey.. is there a beginners team for fixing bugs?
[13:58] <duanedesign> vish: there is. We have a Bugs Focus Group.
[13:59] <vish> duanedesign: hmm, i thought that was the bug triage focus
[14:01] <duanedesign> vish: ohh, i see
[14:02] <duanedesign> vish: i am sorry. not awake yet. 'fixing' bugs :)
[14:02] <vish> hmm, the beginners team wiki is a bit confusing..
[14:02] <vish> duanedesign: np.. :)
[14:03] <vish> how very odd!!!
[14:03] <duanedesign> vish: what part is confusing?
[14:03] <vish> Ubuntu has existed for so long and there seems to be no team for fixing bugs..
[14:03] <vish> or atleast i cant find any. ;)
[14:04] <vish> duanedesign: info-overload on : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam
[14:04] <vish> not sure why the IRC channels for the Focus groups need to exist in the main landing page..
[14:05] <duanedesign> yeah I was a bit curious aout that recently when the Beginners Team was reevaluating its Focus Groups. I initially started to put Bug Fixing and Bug Triage in the same 'group'
[14:06] <vish> duanedesign: yea, we are starting this new team for papercuts for bug fixers, so was trying to make sure there is no overlap
[14:06] <duanedesign> that will be great
[14:07] <duanedesign> vish: thank you for the input on the BT wiki. I agree with you, there is some stuff on that landing page that does not need to be there
[14:07] <vish> duanedesign: np..
[14:08]  * vish really hating the new wiki 'theme' , fonts are so damn small!!!
[14:08] <vish> and the headers are huge
[14:08] <vish> seems more than double the size or maybe nearly triple..
[14:11] <duanedesign> vish: On my laptop I can Ctrl + once and everything still fits on screen and is a little easier to read
[14:13] <vish> duanedesign: i'v *never* had to zoom into a page.. but yea that makes it a little better.. thanks
[14:13] <duanedesign> vish: when I was looking at Bug Fixing the only thing I really found was this wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToFix
[14:13] <vish> yea, that wiki is good
[14:14] <vish> duanedesign: i blame jcastro ! he only made sure people adopted packages and triaged bugs, dint care about fixing bugs ;p
[14:20] <vish> ah ha! next week bitsize bounties!!!
[15:08] <duanedesign> vish: that will be nice.
[15:17] <jcastro> vish: I am an enabler!
[15:25] <vish> ;)
[15:25] <vish> duanedesign: well, bitesize bounties is what i /think/ jcastro is planning for next week..
[15:26] <jcastro> not bounties per se
[15:26] <vish> yea, no rewards per se but you can just call them that ;)
[15:26] <jcastro> heh
[15:27] <vish> jcastro: working on Unity is the bounty!
[15:27] <jcastro> heh
[15:27] <vish> ehe
[15:29] <vish> duanedesign: how good is response in the beginners team bug triage ?
[15:29] <vish> like how many have 'graduated' to Bug-Control?
[15:30] <vish> there is bug squad mentoring as well and seems we are duplicating efforts now..
[15:49] <duanedesign> vish: In the past becoming a member of Bug Control was encouraged and not required.  I think that is one thing we were looking at. I have an action item to work from our discussions at UDS to work with Pedro on our mentoring program.
[15:53] <vish> cool..
[16:16] <nisshh> jcastro, hey, any idea when unity-compiz (or whatever the package is called) will make it into the official repos for natty?
[16:16] <nisshh> (i know its in a PPA)
[16:18] <vish> nisshh: how well did the PPA work for you? [looks like you cant wait to get hold of it officially ;)  ]
[16:25] <nisshh> vish, i dunno, im not brave enough to run natty dailies :)
[16:25] <nisshh> urh
[16:25] <nisshh> daily's :)
[16:26] <nisshh> vish, i dont normally upgrade till around alpha 2/3/beta
[16:27] <nisshh> vish, im mainly interested because i like Unity but the mutter/clutter version was slow
[16:27] <vish> nisshh: jump first and then see how it works out, you never know until you've tried it.. ;)
[16:27] <duanedesign> there are still a couple small issues. The dash is not working so well so you can only launch apps from the launcher
[16:27] <vish> nisshh: i'v rarely seen major problems with dev releases..
[16:27] <nisshh> vish, yeah, i had problems with maverick alpha 2 not working, so that put me off the really early stuff
[16:28] <nisshh> vish, you reckon i should upgrade to natty daily?
[16:28] <nisshh> duanedesign, this is the unity alpha in the PPA your talking about?
[16:28] <vish> nisshh: you are missing the good stuff mmaaan!  <blows puff of smoke>
[16:29] <nisshh> lol
[16:29] <nisshh> ok
[16:29] <nisshh> maybe i will :)
[16:29] <vish> nisshh: what i do is usually have partitions and install the +1 release on another partition
[16:29] <nisshh> ah ok
[16:29] <nisshh> i usually chuck it in a VM first
[16:29] <vish> nisshh: while the stable is on another partition with the same home
[16:29] <nisshh> yeah
[16:29] <vish>  /home
[16:30] <nisshh> too much mucking around :)
[16:33] <nisshh> vish, link to the daily builds of natty?
[16:33] <nisshh> (google cant find it)
[16:35] <vish> nisshh: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[16:35] <nisshh> thanks vish :)
[16:35] <vish> yw..
[16:36] <nisshh> oh nice
[16:36] <nisshh> an oversize cd image
[16:36] <nisshh> looks like ill have to find a DVD :)
[16:37] <vish> nisshh: use a usb live
[16:37] <nisshh> vish, old computer here, has an option in the BIOS for usb boot, doesnt work though :)
[16:37] <nisshh> i tried with maverick
[16:38] <vish> i have one like that, gah that is irritating!!
[16:38] <nisshh> yeah
[16:38] <nisshh> makes me want a new computer so badly :)
[16:39] <nisshh> vish, is unity default in natty yet?
[16:40] <vish> nisshh: havent booted to natty in a while, so not sure..
[16:40] <nisshh> ah ok
[16:48] <nisshh> found a DVD!
[16:48] <nisshh> and its blank!
[17:02] <AlanBell> vish: here is my take on the wiki theme http://libertus.co.uk:8080/FrontPage
[17:03] <AlanBell> that is just running on my laptop at home
[17:04] <vish> AlanBell: neat! *much* better..
[17:05] <AlanBell> fluid width, font sizes readable, contrast improved, headers distinguishable but not huge
[17:05] <AlanBell> but not following the design guidelines strictly enough
[17:06] <vish> a lot of other things seem odd with the wiki, no italics
[17:06] <AlanBell> file bugs
[17:06] <vish> yea..
[17:06] <vish> cant seem to be able to do double indentations..
[17:06] <vish> weird..
[17:08] <AlanBell> the theme was a lot worse before, they did accept one or two fixes I did
[17:09] <AlanBell> italics is indeed missing, file a bug and I will do a merge proposal for that one
[17:18] <nisshh> vish, bah! it didnt work :)
[17:18] <nisshh> wait, i meant :(
[17:18] <nisshh> the GUI installer hasnt worked for me since 9.10
[17:19] <nisshh> i thought, maybe, just maybe, but no, still doesnt
[17:19] <nisshh> grrr
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[17:21] <vish> AlanBell: merge away.. filed Bug #674936
[17:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 674936 in ubuntu-website "Italics not possible on wiki (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/674936
[17:22] <duanedesign> sorry nisshh, yes I was talking about the Unity-compiz alpha
[17:22] <nisshh> duanedesign, yeah
[17:22] <vish> nisshh: oh the installer itself dint work? weird :s
[17:22] <vish> nisshh: you are trying on a VM or ..?
[17:23] <nisshh> vish, i booted it from DVD
[17:24] <nisshh> vish, it gets to the loading screen, finishes loading, displays the wallpaper for about 15 seconds, then appears to start booting, but stops with no cpu or cdrom activity
[17:24] <vish> nisshh: hmm, there was a problem with the installer not working because of low memory.. how much memory does the sys have?
[17:24] <nisshh> 1GB
[17:24] <nisshh> of RAM
[17:24] <nisshh> should be enough
[17:25] <vish> yeah..
[17:25] <nisshh> vish, 1GB not enough?
[17:25] <vish> nisshh: should be enough
[17:25] <nisshh> yeah
[17:25] <nisshh> im trying it in a vm now
[17:26] <nisshh> vish, when installing maverick i had to resort to the alternate cd to get it installed
[17:41] <nisshh> vish, just curiously, i tried update-manager -d, it says there is 11.04 available, i didnt know it was possible to upgrade yet
[17:42] <vish> nisshh: yea, that update available once the +1 repo is open
[17:43] <nisshh> vish, oh, so the +1 repo isnt open yet?
[17:43] <vish> nisshh: i wonder if today is inverse day, and everything i say somehow means the other way..  :D
[17:44] <vish> nisshh: nah, i meant its available as soon as the repo is open, hence available..
[17:44] <nisshh> ah
[17:44] <nisshh> so it IS available
[17:45] <nisshh> vish, i just didnt know if it was simply there, or if it worked or not
[17:45] <vish> nisshh:  yup.., updating using that command should get you to natty
[17:46] <nisshh> cool
[17:46] <nisshh> seems like thats my only option unless i wait for the alternate cd
[17:52] <nisshh> vish, i just realised, the compiz port of unity will require compiz to be turned on all the time wont it?
[17:52] <vish> nisshh: yup
[17:52] <nisshh> hmmm
[17:53] <nisshh> this thing runs with compiz on, but its slow
[17:53] <nisshh> slower
[20:05] <jcastro> nisshh: next week
[20:06] <jcastro> after they are not-so-broken in the PPA
[20:09] <nisshh> jcastro, cool, thanks :)