[02:42] <Chaos_Zero> ...hello?
[02:43] <Chaos_Zero> hello?
[02:44] <Chaos_Zero> hello?
[02:44] <Randum_Joe> Zero, you are posting, but there doesn't seem to be anyone else here.
[02:44] <Chaos_Zero> i was redirected here
[02:44] <Chaos_Zero> it seems dead though
[02:45] <Randum_Joe> Yeah, I saw.   I used the same "join" command just to try it out.
[02:45] <Randum_Joe> Yeah.  My first time here.  Don't know how to do anything.
[02:45] <Chaos_Zero> yeah
[02:45] <Chaos_Zero> me too
[02:45] <Chaos_Zero> im usually in the windows channel
[02:45] <cjwatson> please see the topic
[02:46] <cjwatson> specifically the first section
[02:46] <Chaos_Zero> cjwatson
[02:46] <Chaos_Zero> any idea how to install onto a SCSI drive?
[02:46] <cjwatson> shouldn't need to do anything special, it should just work
[02:46] <Chaos_Zero> well, it does not see it
[02:46] <cjwatson> then that's a bug, and it probably won't be straightforward
[02:47] <cjwatson> please report it through the bug tracker
[02:47] <Chaos_Zero> i am wondering if its possible to add the luinux driver onto my install USB drive to get it to work
[02:47] <cjwatson> generally speaking, we include all the drivers we have
[02:47] <cjwatson> particularly for things like disks
[02:47] <cjwatson> which Ubuntu installation CD are you using?
[02:47] <Chaos_Zero> well this one is a controller thats only found in one computer
[02:48] <Chaos_Zero> so maybe you don't have it
[02:48] <cjwatson> you mean it's a controller you're developing?
[02:48] <cjwatson> what's its PCI id?
[02:48] <Chaos_Zero> no, but its not an expansioon card
[02:48] <cjwatson> where were you going to get the Linux driver from?
[02:48] <Chaos_Zero> its a onboard SAS controller for the ibm xseries 366 server
[02:48] <Chaos_Zero> not very common , i guess
[02:49] <cjwatson> we certainly have some SAS drivers
[02:49] <Chaos_Zero> from the IBM website
[02:49] <cjwatson> if you download a binary driver, it likely won't match our kernel
[02:49] <cjwatson> if you know where the source is, then give me a pointer and I can probably look up whether we already have it
[02:50] <Chaos_Zero> one sec
[02:51] <cjwatson> also, installation logs always help
[02:51] <Chaos_Zero> ahh i cant copy paste this so its going to take a long time to type
[02:51] <cjwatson> specifically /var/log/syslog
[02:53] <Chaos_Zero> www-947.ibm.com/support/entry/portal/docdisplay?lndocid=migr-61228&brandind=5000008
[02:54] <Chaos_Zero> does that look any good>?
[02:54] <cjwatson> Our apologies
[02:54] <cjwatson> There is a problem retrieving the document migr-61228.
[02:54] <Chaos_Zero> ahh
[02:55] <Chaos_Zero> how about this
[02:55] <Chaos_Zero> http://tinyurl.com/2fazomz
[02:57] <Chaos_Zero> any good now?
[02:59] <Chaos_Zero> are you still there?
[02:59] <cjwatson> IRC is asynchronous.  Do not do the "are you still there?" thing.
[03:00] <cjwatson> I was reading, which takes actual time and stuff
[03:00] <cjwatson> goodness.  is this really an out-of-tree SAS driver?  that's pretty poor of Adaptec
[03:01] <Chaos_Zero> so......is their a way thay ou can just put the driver on the usb drive like a normal person to use it?
[03:01] <Chaos_Zero> one of the folders maybe?
[03:02] <cjwatson> the built-in aic94xx driver should already handle this drive, as far as I can see
[03:02] <cjwatson> this looks like an obsolete driver to me
[03:02] <Chaos_Zero> the system is from 2003, i believe
[03:02] <Chaos_Zero> but its still a nice machine
[03:02] <cjwatson> no, that's not what I mean
[03:02] <cjwatson> I think it's pretty unlikely the source on that web page would work unmodified with a modern kernel
[03:03] <cjwatson> that driver source dates from 2005 - that's an eternity ago in kernel terms
[03:03] <Chaos_Zero> in all seriousness, i have no idea what you are talking about
[03:03] <cjwatson> forget about putting that driver on a USB drive.  it won't work
[03:03] <cjwatson> can I see your installation logs?
[03:04] <Chaos_Zero> i have it up over there asking me which disk to partition
[03:04] <cjwatson> which Ubuntu installation image are you using?
[03:04] <Chaos_Zero> the one i want is not there
[03:04] <Chaos_Zero> will logs really help, and what do i do to get them
[03:04] <cjwatson> if I didn't think they might help, I would not have asked for them
[03:05] <cjwatson> which Ubuntu installation image are you using?
[03:05] <cjwatson> I need to know the answer to this question
[03:05] <Chaos_Zero> ubuntu-10/04/1-server 32 bit
[03:05] <cjwatson> thank you
[03:05] <Chaos_Zero> those slashes were supposed to be dots
[03:05] <cjwatson> press go back until you reach the installer main menu.  select "save debug logs".  I need syslog
[03:05] <Chaos_Zero> what do i do with it after its saves
[03:05] <cjwatson> paste.ubuntu.com
[03:06] <cjwatson> upload it there, tell me the URL
[03:06] <Chaos_Zero> uhh
[03:06] <Chaos_Zero> its not connected to the internet now
[03:07] <cjwatson> "save debug logs" provides you with ways to copy the log to a different machine
[03:08] <Chaos_Zero> i guess because "floppy" is the only option-it cant just use the rewritable USB drive thats right there-i will have to break out the usb floppy
[03:09] <Chaos_Zero> this is officially more trouble then its worth, and im telling it to that dam guy that tole me about this os
[03:09] <Chaos_Zero> believe it or not, windows saw the drive
[03:09] <Chaos_Zero> thanks for trying to help, i guess
[03:10] <cjwatson> you can hit alt-f2, figure out where the rewritable drive is in the filesystem, and cp /var/log/syslog to it
[03:11] <cjwatson> I'm trying to help, at 3 in the morning, so I'd appreciate it if you didn't do the whole "more trouble than it's worth" thing
[03:11] <cjwatson> bit of a slap in the face
[03:11] <Chaos_Zero> why are you trying to give support at 3 in the morning
[03:11] <cjwatson> because I was up anyway and you looked confused
[03:12] <Chaos_Zero> well im a windows user, but i loved CD knoppix, it has saved me many times, but i do not understand who thought that MAYBE you would miss ONE DRIVER
[03:12] <Chaos_Zero> to not have some option to select a driver from a floppy or cd or something during installation
[03:12] <cjwatson> there is such an option, but it only helps you if you actually have a working drive
[03:13] <cjwatson> driver
[03:13] <Chaos_Zero> at least in advanced options or something?
[03:13] <cjwatson> which you don't - the driver from that ibm web page won't work
[03:13] <Chaos_Zero> i said i did
[03:13] <Chaos_Zero> i know you think its "old" but it works
[03:13] <cjwatson> it works with old kernels
[03:13] <Chaos_Zero> at least, the windoze 2003 server one worked for windows server 2003
[03:13] <cjwatson> it dates from 2005
[03:13] <cjwatson> it will not work with any remotely current version of Linux
[03:14] <Chaos_Zero> how will installation logs help in finding the correct driver?
[03:14] <cjwatson> also, as far as I can see, we *do* have a driver for this drive, so the reason I'm asking for installation logs is that it's possible that it's some other problem
[03:15] <Chaos_Zero> you mean the controller, not the drive itself. right?
[03:15] <Chaos_Zero> im not sure which drive model is actually there
[03:15] <cjwatson> controller, yes
[03:17] <Chaos_Zero> ok what do i have to type in the mounted file systme box again..
[03:17] <cjwatson> which box?
[03:17] <Chaos_Zero> save logs>mounted file system
[03:17] <cjwatson> one moment
[03:17] <Chaos_Zero> you said something  before
[03:18] <cjwatson> how did you create this USB stick?
[03:18] <Chaos_Zero> with the universal usb boot thingy
[03:18] <cjwatson> instructions in the installation guide on help.ubuntu.com, or something different?
[03:18] <Chaos_Zero> the offical ones yyes
[03:18] <cjwatson> oh, "Startup Disk Creator"?
[03:19] <cjwatson> I think you want to type "/cdrom" then, slightly confusingly
[03:20] <cjwatson> should probably turn that into a select list ...
[03:20] <Chaos_Zero> u,
[03:20] <Chaos_Zero> i mean um
[03:20] <Chaos_Zero> its a USB drive
[03:20] <Chaos_Zero> not a cd
[03:20] <cjwatson> I know it's not a CD, take my word for it
[03:20] <Chaos_Zero> ok
[03:20] <cjwatson> that's why I said "slightly confusingly"
[03:21] <cjwatson> it's /cdrom for legacy reasons, in the installer it really means "installation source"
[03:21] <Chaos_Zero> the directory /cdrom does not exist
[03:21] <cjwatson> try /hd-media then
[03:22] <Chaos_Zero> nope
[03:22] <cjwatson> err, that's really weird, that sounds like the installer failed to find its own USB stick after it got up and running
[03:22] <Chaos_Zero> are like..regular people supposed to know this stuff?
[03:22] <cjwatson> you're running into a bug, you shouldn't be hitting this stuff
[03:22] <cjwatson> no, they aren't supposed to know this.
[03:22] <Chaos_Zero> no it didnt actually as a list of drives to install to it lists itself...lol fail
[03:22] <cjwatson> sarcasm will make me give up and go to bed :)
[03:23] <Chaos_Zero> that wasent sarcasm
[03:23] <cjwatson> er, wait, so what drives are listed?
[03:23] <Chaos_Zero> im serious thats the disk that shows - 2 gb cruzer...
[03:23] <Chaos_Zero> for some reason it says its an SCSI device
[03:23] <cjwatson> yeah, whatever, practically everything goes through the SCSI layer these days
[03:24] <Chaos_Zero> it used to be more..special..lol
[03:24] <cjwatson> so did you try to do anything in the partitioner?
[03:24] <Chaos_Zero> but yeah, it knows its there
[03:24] <Chaos_Zero> just being annoying is all
[03:24] <cjwatson> what is the entire text of the line in the partitioner screen for the USB disk?
[03:24] <Chaos_Zero> hold on..
[03:25] <Chaos_Zero> SCSI1 (0,0,0) (sda) - 2.0 GB Sandisk Cruzer
[03:26] <Chaos_Zero> and then below that
[03:26] <cjwatson> are there any lines below that for partitions?
[03:27] <Chaos_Zero> #1 primary 2.0 GB  B   FAT32
[03:27] <cjwatson> ok.  press Alt-F2, then press Enter to get a shell.  run 'mount /dev/sda1 /mnt'.  assuming that works, run 'cp /var/log/syslog /mnt/', then 'umount /mnt'.
[03:28] <cjwatson> (I'm too tired to figure out what happened to the installer menus, and the command line is easier to deal with remotely than the menu system when I don't really know the exact state)
[03:30] <Chaos_Zero> ok
[03:30] <Chaos_Zero> it takes forever to do these things when you have to walk back and fourth
[03:31] <Chaos_Zero> now what
[03:31] <cjwatson> that should have made a file 'syslog' on your USB stick
[03:31] <cjwatson> unless there were any error messages
[03:31] <Chaos_Zero> ok
[03:31] <cjwatson> put that file on paste.ubuntu.com or somewhere else where I can see it
[03:31] <Chaos_Zero> ok
[03:31] <Chaos_Zero> it did
[03:33] <cjwatson> ok, where is it?
[03:35] <cjwatson> the idea with paste.ubuntu.com is that you upload a file and then it gives you a URL which you paste into IRC
[03:36] <Chaos_Zero> hey im back
[03:36] <Chaos_Zero> it disconnected me
[03:37] <cjwatson> 03:35 <cjwatson> the idea with paste.ubuntu.com is that you upload a file and then it gives you a URL which you paste into IRC
[03:37] <cjwatson> assuming that's where you put the log
[03:37] <Chaos_Zero> what
[03:37] <Chaos_Zero> the log
[03:37] <Chaos_Zero> uhh
[03:37] <Chaos_Zero> well i cant paste into irc because my irc computer is...dos
[03:38] <Chaos_Zero> but
[03:38] <Chaos_Zero> i can type it i guess
[03:38] <cjwatson> the URL is really short, you can just retype it
[03:39] <Chaos_Zero> ok so for my name i guess it does not mateter
[03:39] <Chaos_Zero> and for the content i copy in the sysinfo file?
[03:39] <Chaos_Zero> opened in..notepad?
[03:39] <cjwatson> however you want to do it.  I haven't used Windows in over ten years, don't look to me for advice on that :)
[03:40] <Chaos_Zero> well theirs nowhere on the site you directed me to to actually upload a file
[03:40] <cjwatson> you copy it into the text box
[03:40] <Chaos_Zero> so basically im asking is you just get the text value from the file and paste it in
[03:40] <cjwatson> or use your own website if you likke
[03:40] <cjwatson> I really don't care
[03:41] <Chaos_Zero> ok
[03:41] <Chaos_Zero> its
[03:41] <Chaos_Zero> paste.ubuntu.com/531007
[03:42] <cjwatson> looking
[03:46] <cjwatson> (there'll be a short delay, but I think I have some idea what's happening)
[03:46] <Chaos_Zero> ok
[03:46] <cjwatson> the driver is there, and it is detecting your drive, but it's missing a firmware file
[03:47] <cjwatson> cheap-and-cheerful solution will be for me to extract the firmware file for you, put it somewhere, you can put it somewhere where that machine can fetch it if you need to, and then there's a command you can run to fetch it and put it in the right place
[03:47] <Chaos_Zero> sounds..not healthy
[03:48] <Chaos_Zero> cant i just put it on te boot usb drive
[03:48] <cjwatson> I stand more chance of getting this right first try
[03:48] <Chaos_Zero> do i need to burn an enitre cd for one  fireward file
[03:48] <cjwatson> no
[03:48] <Chaos_Zero> fireward..lol
[03:48] <Chaos_Zero> this keyboard
[03:48] <Chaos_Zero> augh
[03:49] <cjwatson> much easier to get it from the network, for a 4am solution.  you do have some networking on this machine, from the logs.  you said it can't see the internet?  can it see some internal web server or something?
[03:49] <Chaos_Zero> um
[03:49] <cjwatson> I'm checking first whether the fact that the firmware is missing from the installer is fixed in a later version of Ubuntu
[03:49] <Chaos_Zero> literally its just not plugged in because ill have to disconnect the internet to plug it in
[03:50] <Chaos_Zero> or ironically i could disconnect this machine
[03:50] <Chaos_Zero> the one with the chat
[03:50] <cjwatson> your log shows the machine getting a successful network connection of *some* kind
[03:50] <Chaos_Zero> oh
[03:50] <Chaos_Zero> that must be the remote control
[03:51] <Chaos_Zero> but  yeah
[03:51] <Chaos_Zero> hold on maybe i can get a chat up on this other machine
[03:53] <cjwatson> bah, not even fixed in Ubuntu 10.10.  I've made a note, it's not hard to fix this properly and we can maybe even do it for 10.04.2
[03:54] <chaos_zero2> there we go
[03:54] <Chaos_Zero> one second...
[03:56] <chaos_zero2> ok
[03:56] <chaos_zero2> bridged connection
[03:56] <chaos_zero2> its connected now what
[03:57] <cjwatson> wait
[03:57] <chaos_zero2> should i restart it, ifi so i should do it now it takes a while..
[03:58] <cjwatson> hmm.  in fact, I think there may be a simpler way
[03:58] <cjwatson> do you know how to edit the kernel parameters when booting from the USB stick?
[03:58] <chaos_zero2> ok
[03:58] <chaos_zero2> um,,no
[03:59] <cjwatson> you should get a boot screen with "Install Ubuntu Server" as an option
[03:59] <chaos_zero2> and
[03:59] <cjwatson> typing!
[03:59] <chaos_zero2> lolk
[03:59] <cjwatson> at that screen, press F6 and then Escape
[03:59] <chaos_zero2> who makes this stuff up
[03:59] <cjwatson> that should give you a "Boot Options" line, with the cursor positioned at the end of it
[03:59] <cjwatson> me
[04:00] <cjwatson> at the end of that line, add exactly this text
[04:00] <cjwatson> anna/choose_modules=scsi-firmware
[04:00] <cjwatson> then press Enter to boot
[04:00] <chaos_zero2> ive just reatarted it.
[04:00] <chaos_zero2> its going to take a little while to get running
[04:01] <chaos_zero2> i awlays liked how ibm machines looked
[04:02] <chaos_zero2> mostly those thinkpads
[04:02] <chaos_zero2> ...
[04:02] <chaos_zero2> its getting there
[04:02] <chaos_zero2> maybe
[04:03] <chaos_zero2> cmon
[04:03] <chaos_zero2> is it frozen..
[04:04] <chaos_zero2> im giving you 10 seconds
[04:04] <chaos_zero2> ...
[04:04] <chaos_zero2> one moment
[04:05] <chaos_zero2> *yawn*
[04:06] <chaos_zero2> for having 8 cores it starts up rather slowly
[04:06] <chaos_zero2> .          .
[04:07] <chaos_zero2> j nhfg yvedededcc dc
[04:08] <chaos_zero2> stupid NMI
[04:08] <chaos_zero2> whatever that means
[04:08] <cjwatson> I can see why this happened - it got broken in Ubuntu 8.10 when some packages got renamed
[04:09] <chaos_zero2> ok im at the screen
[04:09] <chaos_zero2> and type
[04:10] <cjwatson> I've fixed it (I think) for 10.04.2, and for 11.04 and future releases
[04:10] <cjwatson> thanks for reporting it
[04:11] <chaos_zero2> ok e xcept
[04:11] <chaos_zero2> its not working yet
[04:11] <chaos_zero2> could not find kernel image: anna/choose_modules=scsi-firmware
[04:11] <cjwatson> you didn't follow my instructions exactly
[04:12] <cjwatson> you deleted the existing text on the line, I think
[04:12] <chaos_zero2> i waited for the screen, press F6 then esc
[04:12] <chaos_zero2> then typed
[04:12] <chaos_zero2> it just says "boot:"
[04:12] <cjwatson> blink
[04:13] <cjwatson> ok, that's not quite what I expected, but I can cope
[04:13] <cjwatson> (just a moment)
[04:13] <cjwatson> in that case, at the boot: prompt, type
[04:13] <cjwatson> install anna/choose_modules=scsi-firmware
[04:13] <chaos_zero2> sec
[04:14] <chaos_zero2> ok its doing..something
[04:15] <cjwatson> it should boot back through the installer mostly as normal, but this time, it should actually load the installer component containing the firmware you need
[04:15] <chaos_zero2> now we are to choose language
[04:17] <chaos_zero2> and now i have to go through every one of these dam network cards to find where its plugged into again
[04:18] <cjwatson> looks like this was partly broken by http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=542282 as well (fixed for 11.04) - you would have at least got a much more comprehensible failure in that case, and we'd have saved plenty of time
[04:18] <ubot2> Debian bug 542282 in hw-detect "firmware.agent broken with current udev" [Normal,Fixed]
[04:18] <cjwatson> oh well
[04:19] <chaos_zero2> well
[04:19] <chaos_zero2> im going to save this and go eat with my family
[04:19] <chaos_zero2> because repluggine this to download the updates n stuff will take forever
[04:19] <cjwatson> I'm going to sleep then.  Hope it works.  If it doesn't, I'll probably be around at some point tomorrow
[04:19] <chaos_zero2> also, it you are the one designing these
[04:20] <cjwatson> I think that should at least get you past the current failure though
[04:20] <chaos_zero2> can you put in a "Scan all" feather for servers that have more then 10 network connections? thanks.
[04:20] <chaos_zero2> feature*
[04:20] <cjwatson> if you could raise that as a bug on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/netcfg/+filebug, that would be helpful
[04:21] <cjwatson> (bug reporting address for the network configuration component of the installer)
[04:21] <chaos_zero2> ok, thanks for your help, i was pretty pissed off there
[04:21] <chaos_zero2> good night
[04:21] <cjwatson> night
[13:34] <CIA-4> lowmem: cjwatson * r85 ubuntu/ (3 files in 2 dirs): merge from Debian 1.33
[13:36] <CIA-4> lowmem: cjwatson * r86 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.33ubuntu1
[13:38] <CIA-4> anna: cjwatson * r426 ubuntu/debian/ (po/is.po changelog po/bn.po po/ca.po po/da.po po/zh_TW.po): merge from Debian 1.38
[13:39] <CIA-4> anna: cjwatson * r427 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.38ubuntu1
[13:40] <CIA-4> debian-installer-utils: cjwatson * r704 ubuntu/debian/ (po/is.po changelog po/bn.po po/ca.po po/zh_TW.po): merge from Debian 1.81
[13:41] <CIA-4> debian-installer-utils: cjwatson * r705 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.81ubuntu1
[14:31] <CIA-4> installation-report: cjwatson * r78 ubuntu/debian/ (7 files in 2 dirs): merge from Debian 2.43
[14:33] <CIA-4> installation-report: cjwatson * r79 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.43ubuntu1
[15:26] <joshfaux> Hello, <coz_> directed me here
[15:27] <coz_> guys  joshfaux   is dropping initramfs  after installation...I know for me it was  my scsi drives causing this   ,,,, but in his case I cant figure it out
[15:28] <joshfaux> I installed Ubuntu about a month ago and it started recently
[15:28] <coz_> joshfaux,  after updates?
[15:29] <joshfaux> I don't remember, most likely
[15:30] <coz_> joshfaux,  I am puzzled by this one ,, so stick around here until someone answers
[15:30] <joshfaux> I shall :D
[15:31] <joshfaux> I amtrying chkdsk /f on the windows side
[15:45] <joshfaux> So
[15:45] <joshfaux> I get to initramfs
[15:45] <joshfaux> I type exit
[15:46] <joshfaux> Then I get this:
[15:47] <joshfaux>  /init: line 271: Can't open /root/dev/console: no such file
[15:47] <joshfaux> Ooh
[15:48] <coz_> joshfaux,  did you edit the grub config at some point
[15:48] <joshfaux> It says that init is tainted
[15:48] <coz_> oh
[15:49] <joshfaux> I did, because grub fell into a shell anyways
[15:52] <coz_> joshfaux,  yeah ... I am still puzzled ,,, stick around here,, I am going to listen in :)
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