[20:01] <Pici> hi
[20:01] <tsimpson> \o
[20:01] <Seeker`> o/
[20:01] <rww> o/
[20:02] <Pici> so..
[20:03] <tsimpson> I think it's just us...
[20:03] <Pici> hmm.
[20:03] <Seeker`> looks like you are missing at least 1 IRCC member?
[20:03] <Pici> yeah..
[20:03] <Seeker`> great
[20:03] <Pici> yep
[20:03] <Pici> :|
[20:03] <tsimpson> well, we could still discuss the items (but not actually vote)
[20:03] <Seeker`> a really good demonstration of how the ircc is really working to make progress
[20:04] <Seeker`> tsimpson: you'll just have to go over everything again, surely?
[20:05] <tsimpson> Seeker`: at the next meeting if opinions/ideas differ enough
[20:05] <Pici> I wonder if this could be a result of the fridge being weird with daylight savings changes.
[20:06] <tsimpson> it could be
[20:06] <Pici> My calendar say this meeting is in an hour :/
[20:06] <Seeker`> tsimpson: You'll have to cover whatever you cover now with the additional IRCC members to get them up to date, surely?
[20:06] <Pici> Even though 2000 UTC is now.
[20:06] <tsimpson> Seeker`: logs
[20:06] <tsimpson> Pici: we could wait an hour and see
[20:06] <Seeker`> nhandler has 0 excuse
[20:06] <tsimpson> Seeker`: why?
[20:06] <Seeker`> he sent the email to the list today reminding people about it
[20:06] <tsimpson> and?
[20:06] <Seeker`> so he should be here?
[20:07] <tsimpson> he didn't state he'd be here in the email
[20:07] <Seeker`> tsimpson: all IRCC members should be present at most meetings, should they not?
[20:07] <rww> Pici: The Fridge calendar is broken by daylight savings time. I believe the relevant page on it mentions this ;)
[20:07] <Pici> rww: :(
[20:07] <Pici> Seeker`: yes.
[20:07] <tsimpson> Seeker`: we require 3, but all is better sure
[20:07] <Pici> or what tsimpson said rather.
[20:08] <Pici> I propse waiting until :15
[20:08] <Pici> propose too
[20:08] <rww> Start calling Finland, get them over here ;P
[20:10] <Seeker`> If IRCC members are planning on not attending the meetings, they should send an email to the list
[20:10] <Seeker`> so people with things on the agenda don't waste their time turning up to meetings that aren't happening.
[20:11] <Pici> Seeker`: We usually tell each other if we can't make it.
[20:11] <Seeker`> How does that help me?
[20:11] <Seeker`> How can I find out that the meeting that I've rearranged my evening for isn't happening?
[20:12] <Pici> Seeker`: Well if we knew we werent going to have enough people attend then we'd send something to the public mailing list.
[20:12] <Pici> Seeker`: I'm frustrated too. Not all of us want to spent all the time in front of the computer.
[20:12] <tsimpson> if we knew there wouldn't be a quorum, we would have candled/postponed the meeting
[20:13] <Seeker`> Hence why IRCC members should send an email to the public list if they aren't planning on attending. Sending an email that says "I won't be there" takes literally 30 seconds and can be sent from just about everywhere.
[20:14] <Seeker`> And that way it would be more apparent who is/isnt turning up to meetings
[20:14] <tsimpson> what would be the point in that if 4 others will attend?
[20:14] <tsimpson> or what if something unexpected comes up?
[20:15] <rww> and what if you think you'll be attending but you rely on broken closed-source calendaring software... ;)
[20:15] <Seeker`> ok, how many people on the IRCC categorically said they wouldn't be here tonight?
[20:15] <Pici> none.
[20:16] <serfus> rww, you should not rely on it, just check the UTC time
[20:16] <Pici> Thats why I think its a calendar issue.  The Ubuntu Women team had the same problem with their last meeting.
[20:16] <rww> serfus: I'm here, and thus evidently figured this out :)
[20:17] <Pici> I noted the discrepency earlier, but none of the other irccers were around to see it (and their idle times seem to prove that)
[20:18] <serfus> rww, of course i'm not accusing you, you are here :)
[20:23] <rww> Is there anything going on at 2100UTC? If not, and the other IRCC people might turn up then...
[20:25] <tsimpson> it's the only meeting scheduled for today
[20:25] <Pici> No, no other teams even have meetings today.
[20:28] <rww> then assuming the two of you aren't busy then, we could postpone until 2100UTC. If there are still only the two of you, Seeker`'s point becomes more valid ;P
[20:35] <rww> Pici, tsimpson: Thoughts?
[20:36] <tsimpson> rww: we'll see if anyone shows
[20:47] <Pici> yep
[21:00] <Seeker`> soooooo, timewasting or not? Now is the time to speak up
[21:01]  * Pici shrugs
[21:02] <Seeker`> I once again suggest that IRCC members should send an email to the list if they aren't going to be at a meeting.
[21:07] <Seeker`> Pici: I won't be at any more IRCC "meetings"; Please take over discussion of the item I placed on the agenda, if you are able.
[21:09] <Pici> Seeker`: Will do.
[21:10] <Pici> Sorry for wasting everyone's time today.
[21:11] <serfus> isn't there any item at all that you can at least discuss about?
[21:12] <LjL> the two of you could play Pong and we cheer
[21:13] <cody-somerville> how many people are on the IRCC?
[21:13] <tsimpson> 5
[21:13] <tsimpson> serfus: I suggested that earlier
[21:15] <cody-somerville> so I guess you guys don't have enough for quorum? :(
[21:15] <tsimpson> nope, only 2
[21:16] <serfus> tsimpson, i guess you could discuss about the first 2 items on the agenda
[21:17] <tsimpson> serfus: apparently that's not acceptable, and the meeting time is over anyway
[21:17] <serfus> ah
[21:19] <Seeker`> I never said it "wasn't acceptable"
[21:19] <Seeker`> just questioned if it was a good use of time, as it will all have to be  discussed again next time
[21:24] <cody-somerville> not necessarily if meeting minutes are sent out
[21:24] <Seeker`> one of the items on the agenda is that not happening :P
[21:24] <Seeker`> one of the items on the agenda is that not happening :P
[21:25] <cody-somerville> haha
[21:25] <cody-somerville> touche