[00:04] <Flannel> nhandler: You have admirers!
[01:53] <IdleOne> nothing like taking a log completely out of context
[01:53] <Pici> yep.
[03:32] <nhandler> Flannel: Just a troll using a variation of my name?
[03:32] <Flannel> nhandler: Yeah
[03:33] <nhandler> Flannel: Ah, that is getting rather annoying (they alternate between the various staffers)
[07:57] <elky> * No_one_at_all (no_one_at_@gateway/shell/shellium.org/x-cdibsakgmizwnksz) has left #ubuntu-women (""hypatia???!?"") may be k-rad
[09:03] <maco> my vision has started shaking. im going to bed
[09:03] <maco> elky:  can you deal with sprung's hideous attitude and language?
[09:05] <sprung> I have not violated one rule of the #ubuntu guidelines or the rules
[09:05] <sprung> i have examined both
[09:05] <sprung> also, "tits up" is not obscene
[09:06] <sprung> and maco was blatantly trolling me attempting to make me say things to get me banned.
[09:06] <elky> I suggest you re-read the guidelines, specifically the part that tells you to read the code of conduct.
[09:06] <sprung> i have several examples
 sprung: really? i thought you were just ranting about how much better #bash is than #mysql
[09:07] <sprung> [03:00] <maco> sprung: really? i thought you were just ranting about how much better #bash is than #mysql
[09:07] <sprung> thats a troll
[09:07] <sprung> after i had been warned heavily by maco and others about guideline adherance he asks me that
[09:07] <elky> sprung, maco was not the only one telling you to stop.
[09:07] <sprung> no, maco was trolling me
[09:07] <sprung> his intention was to get me banned for his personal amusement
[09:08] <elky> maco was not trolling you. ops telling you to stop a behaviour that other participants have asked you to stop is not trolling.
[09:08] <sprung> he was trolling me. he was telling me rules of the ubuntu guidelines that don't exist then trying to make me lash out and be abusive.
[09:09] <sprung> he WAS trolling me, and he failed.
[09:09] <sprung> then after everything was over,
[09:09] <sprung> you quieted me.
[09:09] <sprung> after it was all done, resolved and finished, you quieted me.
[09:09] <sprung> i was talking about CHESS dude.
[09:10] <elky> you have clearly failed to read the code of conduct. adherence to that is prerequisite of adherence to the guidelines
[09:10] <sprung> chess trainers for linux for my 10 year old sister
[09:10] <sprung> EVERYTHING was done and finished and resolved
[09:10] <sprung> the argument was over
[09:10] <sprung> the trolling was over
[09:10] <sprung> the drama was over
[09:10] <sprung> and WHAM you post-whatever quiet me.
[09:10] <sprung> there's no lesson learned at all here
[09:11] <elky> if you insist that, then the quiet will insist on staying. have a nice day.
[09:11] <sprung> the entire drama was done and resolved long before you quieted me
[09:11] <sprung> I'm logging it all, and hosting it.
[09:11] <elky> we already do that
[09:11] <elky> !irclogs
[09:12] <sprung> that's fine
[09:12] <sprung> i'm doing it too
[09:12] <sprung> so that's it, with this ip and nickname i'm never allowed in the channel again
[09:12] <sprung> if i could get a summation of the reasons why this is, please list them
[09:13] <sprung> or just leave that blank because there aren't any reasons
[09:15] <sprung> elky, great way to end the coversation, i ask you to list which rules I broke you have no answer
[09:15] <elky> sprung, you've been quieted, not banned. you're welcome to sit in the channel and read what people say, providing you abide by the rest of the guidelines, code of conduct and general freenode etiquette that is not dependent on you talking in channels.
[09:15] <sprung>  a quiet is a ban. it removes the usefulness of #ubuntu for me.
[09:15] <elky> You've not been courteous. Youve not been respectful. You've not stopped when asked. You've used foul language.
[09:15] <sprung> i can't ask questions.
[09:15] <sprung> you indeed sir have banned me.
[09:15] <elky> !ubuntuforums
[09:16] <sprung> in fact, i would rather you ban me than quiet me.
[09:16] <sprung> that way i am not teased
[09:16] <sprung> i need #ubuntu for support
[09:16] <sprung> you deny me this over maco's pettiness
[09:16] <sprung> PERMANENTLY.
[09:16] <sprung> FOREVER.
[09:17] <sprung> because he thinks tits up is obscene
[09:17] <elky> it is.
[09:17] <sprung> well im so very sorry i said it
[09:17] <sprung> how can i beg of you for forgiveness and you maco
[09:17] <sprung> certainly i won't say it again since this is what happens
[09:17] <elky> you can explain why it is obscene so we know that you understand and aren't just saying it
[09:18] <sprung> well in some cultures, tits means breasts however in my oh so very vulgar society it means things are messed up
[09:18] <elky> also, for the record, that wasn't the only obscne thing you said
[09:18] <sprung> what else
[09:18] <topyli> sprung: free tip: appologies aren't the issue. you should be convincing the operators that you can behave in the future and it's safe to let you in the channel
[09:19] <elky> well, in some cultures "tits up" means you're using imagery of a dead woman to invoke the notion of messed up
[09:19] <sprung> well, seeing as if i don't do that i get to have to kiss the ring, i won't do it again
[09:19] <elky> western culture for example where one may draw the line to ophelia
[09:19] <sprung> oh i said asshole didnt i
[09:19] <sprung> lol
[09:19] <elky> the other obscenity involved sexual relations and mothers.
[09:19] <sprung> well ok #mysql is a bunch of assholes
[09:19] <sprung> but i wont use that word again ok?
[09:20] <elky> assholes is pretty much the lease obscene of your obscenities
[09:20] <sprung> what else did i say i cant think of any more i said
[09:20] <sprung> im greping im not seeing it
 the other obscenity involved sexual relations and mothers.
[09:20] <sprung> where
[09:21] <elky> grep for gangsta
[09:21] <elky> er, sorry, gangster
[09:22] <sprung> dude. for real?
 but yeah #mysql im sorry to say so but most of them are a bunch of assholes they think that everybody should have studied the official MySQL manual and been a developer before being an administrator and blah blah blah and im like Shut Yo Ass Up im a mufukin gangster
[09:22] <elky> what's the word *before*
[09:22] <elky> and yes, for real.
[09:22] <sprung> ok you must be a mormon or something but i promise i won't say that again either
[09:23] <elky> dude, i don't have to be mormon to take offence to you using that word and invoking the imagery of a dead woman to paraphrase "broken"
[09:23] <sprung> elky, are you really taking offense that i just said mormon
[09:23] <sprung> let me rephrase for you
[09:24] <elky> no, and your lack of bothering to read things through means I'm really not confident about letting you speak in that channel
[09:24] <sprung> ok you must be <someone who is inhumanly offensed> or something but i promise i won't say that again either
[09:24] <sprung> elky, i'm trying to work with you
[09:24] <elky> no, you're trying to intimidate me.
[09:25] <sprung> elky, what do you want from me
[09:25] <sprung> to let me back in the channel what do you want
[09:25] <elky> you to actually take what other people say in to consideration without trying to mock them
[09:25] <sprung> i need this channel
[09:25] <elky> this is our sandpit, we make the rules and set the boundaries of behaviour. not you.
[09:26] <sprung> you can understand why somebody who visits most channels on irc might find that a bit ridiculous.
[09:26] <sprung> now that you see where i am coming from,
[09:26] <elky> no. think of it as visiting someone's house. you act according to them.
[09:26] <elky> you don't walk in like you own the place
[09:27] <sprung> i will attempt to have a better effort to adhere to your rules, most specifically in the department of foul language.
[09:27] <elky> topyli, thoughts?
[09:27] <sprung> i have never been to any channel that is half as strict as this one
[09:27] <elky> topyli, specifically the attitude
[09:28] <elky> sprung, probably not half as populated either
[09:28] <topyli> elky: i think it's difficult to resolve this now unless cooperation improves
[09:28] <sprung> how am i not cooperating
[09:29] <elky> sprung, you're still arguing against the rules
[09:29] <topyli> sprung: you're turning a simple issue into a complex one
[09:29] <elky> we might be strict, but it's our prerogative.
[09:29] <sprung> no, i am not. i'm explaining my perspective
[09:29] <sprung> having never been in a channel with such rules
[09:29] <elky> and trying to invalidate ours.
[09:30] <topyli> it's simply about your future behavior and whether or not you'll take the code of conduct seriously. instead, you're arguing about the past (which, i might add, is not something you can change by arguing)
[09:30] <sprung> how am i trying to invalidate yours
[09:30] <elky> sprung, by telling us off for being strict.
[09:30] <sprung> i absolutely submit to your rules.
[09:30] <sprung> is that enough?
[09:30] <elky> We're strict. This is a good thing.
[09:31] <elky> sprung, if I were convinced you're not saying it in the hope of it working like "open sesame", maybe it would be enough.
[09:32] <sprung> yeah, what am i going to do, get unquieted say one bad thing and get quieted again or banned?
[09:32] <sprung> you have made your message brutally clear
[09:32] <sprung> you will do it and are watching me
[09:32] <elky> topyli, convinced now?
[09:32] <sprung> what's the point of delaying this further
[09:33] <topyli> elky: worth trying i guess
[09:35] <topyli> sprung: if you're allowed to use the channel again now, please respect the conditions on which you (and all others) are allowed there
[09:35] <topyli> everything will be fine then
[09:36] <sprung> yeah, i really don't have any more desire to ask my question i will ask somewhere else what chess games my sister will play on linux
[09:37] <topyli> that sounds like a good question for #ubuntu-offtopic :)
[09:37] <sprung> you've been very helpful in helping me decide which channels to ask for help in in the future though, thanks for clearing that up and have a nice day
[09:37] <topyli> comparing the relative merits of chess software, that is
[09:37] <elky> -offtopic is subject to the same rules.
[09:37] <topyli> absolutely, just a different topic
[09:38] <sprung> elky, your ops skills are second to none, you truly have me terrified to ever use your channel again
[09:38] <elky> lol
[09:38] <elky> Benkinooby, do you need help with something?
[09:38] <elky> We recommend against spectating the happenings here by being in here, you can get caught in crossfire. The logs are better for that
[09:38] <elky> !irclogs
[09:41] <topyli> !idle | Benkinooby , also
[09:41] <Benkinooby> soory
[09:42] <topyli> ooh i have leet skillz forming sentences with bot replies! :)
[09:42] <elky> lol
[09:42] <elky> Benkinooby, it's ok. you know now :)
[09:45] <Hobbsee> i fail to see how such a saying could ever be on topic in a support channel anyway
[09:45] <Hobbsee> surely "my x is broken and does y, z, a, b, & c" would be more logical, and appropriate
[10:07] <elky> Hobbsee, but we can't refer to dead women then. won't you think of the poor misogynist impulses?
[10:07] <Hobbsee> elky: 'lol'
[10:07] <Hobbsee> elky: sure we can.  dead women.
[10:07] <elky> Hobbsee, colour me mormon.
[10:11] <elky> because there's no better way to apologise for obscene language than a bit of religious intolerance.
[10:41] <bazhang> no_one_at_all is not k-rad, though is a known element, particularly in other non-Ubuntu channels
[11:29] <bazhang> yikes
[11:47] <bazhang> holy moly
[11:48] <bazhang> spambot supremo in -ot
[11:48] <elky> staff, can we have idoru in -ot plzkthx
[11:48] <bazhang> hehe
[11:49] <elky> topyli, still around?
[11:49] <elky> pici, tsimpson, jussi, nhandler?
[11:52] <jrib> sigh at #ubuntu-unregged....
[11:54] <elky> yeah
[11:54] <tsimpson> idoru.. hmm
[11:54] <tsimpson> may be a good thing
[11:55] <elky> well whichever of you is GC needs to ask I'd assume, since you lot owns the channel
[11:55] <tsimpson> we are all GCs
[11:55] <elky> oh, they upped the limit?
[11:55] <tsimpson> (all the IRCC)
[11:56] <elky> we couldn't do that a year ago
[11:56] <tsimpson> I wasn't aware there was a limit, so they must have changed that
[11:56] <elky> yeah we were limited to iirc 3
[12:02] <elky> thanks staff :)
[17:56] <vbgunz> hey I keep gettting kicked from #kubuntu... this the first time this ever happened FloodBotK1 hits me up with this "Sorry, anonymous connections are not allowed. Type « /topic » for more information. Join #ubuntu-ops if you believe this to be a mistake."
[17:57] <tsimpson> vbgunz: it seems your IP is listed an an open proxy
[18:00] <vbgunz> tsimpson: really though, why and how could that happen?
[18:00] <tsimpson> either you are using a proxy at that IP, or someone who had that IP before you ran an open proxy from it
[18:03] <vbgunz> I don't know how long I had this IP for, I know my IP with my provider is dynamic but this is the first time in 5 years both on kubuntu and same ISP this has ever happened. how can I check whats going on, where do I start?
[18:05] <tsimpson> vbgunz: probably the quickest solution would be to ask for an unaffiliated cloak in #freenode
[19:35] <tsimpson> vbgunz: if there is nothing else, you should /part this channel