| opaquish | hello everyone | 08:36 |
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| funkoolow | hi there | 17:16 |
| Anarai | Hello friends... I having trouble with my PC since last week. I've downloaded 10.10 and everything was just perfect... Last week I turn on my pc and after writing my passphrase the screen went blank and stays that way... Any ideas of whatś happening? | 19:53 |
| virtu | hi | 20:55 |
| virtu | anyone knows how to record without noise? or less noise? (record from a digital piano to notebook soundcard using headphone jack to line in) | 20:57 |
| virtu | and audacity software | 20:57 |
| crysaz | there is allways some noise. you can't get rid of it all | 21:00 |
| crysaz | and quite frankly, i don't have an easy answer for you | 21:06 |
| virtu | tks crysaz, maybe midi | 21:16 |
| holstein | virtu: yeah | 21:57 |
| holstein | its probably your sound card | 21:57 |
| holstein | might be able to decrease the noise with an external rig | 21:57 |
| virtu | hi holstein, how are you? | 22:00 |
| holstein | not bad :) | 22:01 |
| virtu | holstein, sure... I have to receive the Behringer UCA202 | 22:01 |
| holstein | AH | 22:01 |
| holstein | yeah, that should help | 22:01 |
| holstein | and a good price too :) | 22:01 |
| virtu | hope with this audio interface I get a better quality | 22:01 |
| virtu | do you accepct a dcc file that I will send? | 22:02 |
| holstein | hmmm | 22:02 |
| virtu | it's a record from my new digital piano | 22:02 |
| holstein | do you have dropbox? | 22:02 |
| holstein | i dont really do that | 22:02 |
| virtu | have 4shared | 22:02 |
| virtu | wait | 22:02 |
| virtu | wait | 22:02 |
| holstein | im running on a server | 22:02 |
| holstein | http://holstein.shacknet.nu/dropbox | 22:02 |
| virtu | ok holstein, at 4shared you can hear without download | 22:02 |
| holstein | virtu: cool :) | 22:03 |
| holstein | where do i go? | 22:03 |
| holstein | virtu: how do you have it connected ? | 22:03 |
| virtu | http://www.4shared.com/audio/HWtaqQ5D/Final_Fantasy_-_Aeriths_Theme.html | 22:03 |
| holstein | the piano to the soundcard? | 22:03 |
| virtu | holstein, I connected using a simple audio cable (piano digital headphone output <-> line in soundcard) | 22:04 |
| virtu | first I played and record at intenal digital piano memory | 22:04 |
| holstein | virtu: does the keyboard have line outs? | 22:05 |
| virtu | yes | 22:05 |
| holstein | that would be ideal | 22:05 |
| virtu | but I dont have cable to use line out to line in | 22:05 |
| virtu | sure =) | 22:05 |
| holstein | that is probably introducing some noise | 22:06 |
| holstein | are you using a TRS cable? | 22:06 |
| virtu | I have to get some new cables | 22:06 |
| holstein | tip ring sleeve? | 22:06 |
| virtu | normal cables holstein I am using BUT | 22:06 |
| holstein | something that is maintaining the stereo signal? | 22:06 |
| holstein | you need to be aware of that | 22:06 |
| virtu | I have a RCA Stereo to headphone jack (mini) from Monster cable | 22:07 |
| holstein | you dont want to join a stereo out into a mono in | 22:07 |
| virtu | hmm let me see if I understand: so when connecting into a mono in have to use mono in jacks (one dark line at head of connectors) | 22:08 |
| holstein | virtu: yeah | 22:08 |
| virtu | ok.. got it | 22:08 |
| holstein | that sounds like sound card noise though | 22:08 |
| holstein | BuT still worth a try | 22:08 |
| virtu | my idea is to get some adators | 22:08 |
| holstein | virtu: its really not that bad | 22:08 |
| holstein | virtu: you want to use as few adapters as possible | 22:09 |
| holstein | those can introduce noise as well | 22:09 |
| virtu | ok.. so my little problem at this moment is pratice =) | 22:09 |
| holstein | AND | 22:09 |
| virtu | got some piano books to study by myself =) | 22:09 |
| holstein | if you can just create the thing with MIDI somehow | 22:10 |
| virtu | when I was young I got some piano lessons for a few years.. now I am back =) | 22:10 |
| holstein | then it will be clean | 22:10 |
| holstein | AH | 22:10 |
| virtu | holstein, sure | 22:10 |
| holstein | virtu: cool | 22:10 |
| holstein | yeah, just play in time :) | 22:10 |
| virtu | but holstein, with midi files I will only record data | 22:10 |
| virtu | so.. | 22:10 |
| virtu | if I want to use the piano sounds of my digital piano, how can I do it? (midi newbie I am) | 22:10 |
| holstein | you cant | 22:11 |
| holstein | and record it cleanly | 22:11 |
| holstein | BUT there are piano sound fonts around im sure | 22:11 |
| virtu | hmm got... | 22:11 |
| virtu | http://www.amazon.com/Monster-JM-REPC-HP-20-Connection/dp/B00003CWC9 | 22:12 |
| virtu | I already have this cables | 22:12 |
| holstein | that should help | 22:12 |
| virtu | but... with behringer I will need some new ones (RCA to RCA) | 22:12 |
| holstein | if you have RCA outs onthe keyboard | 22:12 |
| holstein | virtu: yeah | 22:12 |
| holstein | that has RCA ins AFAIK | 22:12 |
| virtu | holstein, no =( have 6.3jacks | 22:13 |
| holstein | you can get a mixer though | 22:13 |
| holstein | and use that in front of the USB interface | 22:13 |
| virtu | that why I need 2 adapters =( | 22:13 |
| holstein | that will have XLR ins | 22:13 |
| holstein | preamps | 22:13 |
| holstein | 1/4 inch | 22:13 |
| virtu | the big ones | 22:13 |
| virtu | 1/4 sure | 22:13 |
| holstein | virtu: you dont have to get 60 dollar cables ;) | 22:13 |
| holstein | you can just get some cheapy ones to check it out | 22:13 |
| virtu | holstein, I didnt pay that value I got from ebay | 22:13 |
| virtu | 19U$ the SAME cable | 22:14 |
| holstein | stil | 22:14 |
| holstein | the cable i use like that was a couple bucks | 22:14 |
| virtu | right now I am using that cable to connect some speakers to my note | 22:14 |
| holstein | and i'll care when i can hear the difference ;) | 22:14 |
| holstein | im sure the monster is more durable | 22:14 |
| virtu | so, have to check if I found some good cables here in my city | 22:14 |
| holstein | you in the US ? | 22:15 |
| virtu | 1/4 inch to RCA (two cables) | 22:15 |
| virtu | no holstein, Brazil | 22:15 |
| holstein | AH | 22:15 |
| virtu | South of Brazil | 22:15 |
| holstein | yeah, you could get a couple RCA to 1/4 inch adapters | 22:15 |
| holstein | those are handy | 22:15 |
| holstein | and would be OK in the signal path i bet | 22:15 |
| holstein | you just dont want a bunch of them | 22:15 |
| holstein | ive seen some strange set-ups on the road | 22:16 |
| virtu | have to find that here... I bought 2 from ebay (china) and the seller sent me wrongs =/ | 22:16 |
| holstein | PAs running with like 6 adapters between the source and the PA | 22:16 |
| holstein | and noise | 22:16 |
| holstein | yeah, i got a bunch of those | 22:16 |
| holstein | and some that go the other way | 22:16 |
| holstein | just in case | 22:16 |
| virtu | http://www.4shared.com/file/_ZT52dy3/Kawai_ES6_Piano_and_Strings.html | 22:17 |
| virtu | at this URL have a FLAC sound that I recorded... it is a demo song from Kawai ES6 | 22:17 |
| virtu | for really I need 2 sets of 1/4 to RCA | 22:19 |
| virtu | 1 for connect my speakers to piano and 2nd one to connect the piano to audio interface | 22:19 |
| holstein | virtu: thats not bad | 22:19 |
| holstein | pretty clean really | 22:19 |
| virtu | with FLAC? | 22:19 |
| holstein | virtu: you can monitor with the headphone jack | 22:20 |
| holstein | on the piano | 22:20 |
| virtu | ohh I forgot to say | 22:20 |
| virtu | recorded by audacity | 22:20 |
| holstein | and take the 'clean' signal to tape | 22:20 |
| holstein | might want to try JACK and something | 22:20 |
| virtu | and noise removal effects and normalize applied | 22:20 |
| holstein | JACK and ardour | 22:20 |
| virtu | ok | 22:20 |
| holstein | JACK might help | 22:21 |
| holstein | and it surely cant hurt | 22:21 |
| virtu | hmm... didnt understand... so JACK is a software to monitor the haedphone? | 22:22 |
| virtu | sorry | 22:22 |
| holstein | nope | 22:22 |
| holstein | if i wanted to do what your doing | 22:22 |
| holstein | i would get my audio interface out | 22:23 |
| holstein | start JACK | 22:23 |
| holstein | and ardour | 22:23 |
| holstein | and record using those | 22:23 |
| holstein | not using the internal sound card with pulse and audacity | 22:23 |
| holstein | 2 of those options are software | 22:23 |
| holstein | so, you can just try them without buying anything | 22:24 |
| virtu | JACK Control | 22:24 |
| holstein | thats te GUI front end | 22:24 |
| holstein | BUT you might want to read around a bit | 22:25 |
| virtu | I have both of this installed | 22:25 |
| holstein | its got a learning curve itself | 22:25 |
| holstein | and ardour too | 22:25 |
| virtu | Ardour GTK | 22:25 |
| holstein | yup | 22:25 |
| holstein | virtu: are you running 10.10? | 22:26 |
| holstein | or 10.04? | 22:26 |
| virtu | 10.10 | 22:26 |
| holstein | OK | 22:26 |
| holstein | jack will probably just start then | 22:26 |
| holstein | if you want to give it a go | 22:26 |
| holstein | you start jack control | 22:26 |
| holstein | hit start | 22:26 |
| holstein | and see if it complains | 22:26 |
| virtu | ok... I am on it.. trying to understand better that software | 22:27 |
| holstein | its a sound server | 22:27 |
| holstein | it takes over your audio device | 22:27 |
| holstein | in a good way :) | 22:27 |
| virtu | hmm ok | 22:28 |
| holstein | try clicking start | 22:28 |
| holstein | and it'll either run | 22:28 |
| holstein | OR spit out some complaints | 22:28 |
| holstein | and we can sort them out | 22:28 |
| virtu | got some errors here | 22:28 |
| holstein | OK | 22:28 |
| holstein | close it | 22:28 |
| virtu | could not connect to JACK server as client | 22:28 |
| holstein | open a terminal | 22:29 |
| holstein | and run | 22:29 |
| holstein | sudo qjackctl | 22:29 |
| holstein | then try clicking start | 22:29 |
| holstein | and see if you get errors | 22:29 |
| virtu | samer error | 22:29 |
| virtu | wait | 22:29 |
| holstein | interesting | 22:29 |
| holstein | virtu: is it running | 22:30 |
| holstein | ? | 22:30 |
| virtu | how can I past the messages from JACK? | 22:30 |
| holstein | pastebin | 22:30 |
| holstein | http://paste.ubuntu.com/ | 22:31 |
| virtu | http://paste.ubuntu.com/531423/ | 22:32 |
| holstein | virtu: OK | 22:33 |
| holstein | close JACKcontrol | 22:33 |
| holstein | the root one | 22:33 |
| virtu | closed | 22:34 |
| holstein | lets go back and open the normal one again | 22:34 |
| holstein | then | 22:34 |
| holstein | click on 'setup' | 22:34 |
| virtu | ok | 22:34 |
| holstein | there is a 'realtime' checkbox | 22:34 |
| virtu | at setup screen | 22:34 |
| holstein | lest uncheck that | 22:34 |
| holstein | lets* | 22:34 |
| holstein | you uncheck that ;) | 22:35 |
| virtu | ok... realtime was checked, now uncheck | 22:35 |
| holstein | and try click OK | 22:35 |
| holstein | and try starting again | 22:35 |
| virtu | started | 22:36 |
| holstein | COOL | 22:36 |
| holstein | ok | 22:36 |
| holstein | SO now | 22:36 |
| holstein | click on | 22:36 |
| virtu | 44100 Hz | 22:36 |
| holstein | 'connect' | 22:36 |
| virtu | ok | 22:36 |
| holstein | and hit the little plus signs you see | 22:36 |
| holstein | to expand the sections | 22:36 |
| holstein | on the left | 22:36 |
| holstein | you'll see the ins on your card | 22:36 |
| virtu | ok Audio Tab, I got Readable Clients/Outputs Ports | 22:37 |
| holstein | on the right, you'll see the card outputs | 22:37 |
| holstein | SO | 22:37 |
| holstein | if you want to hear the piano | 22:37 |
| holstein | which | 22:37 |
| virtu | Sytem -> click on plus, now show capture_1 and capture_2 | 22:37 |
| holstein | you wont do this way when your recording | 22:37 |
| holstein | virtu: yeah, click on all the +'s | 22:38 |
| holstein | should be 2 of them | 22:38 |
| holstein | if you have your piano plugged in to your sound card | 22:38 |
| virtu | ok... at audio tab capture_1 and 2 at output port and playback_1 and 2 at input port | 22:38 |
| holstein | that will be on the left | 22:38 |
| holstein | cap1 and 2 | 22:38 |
| virtu | ok holstein, got it | 22:38 |
| holstein | that will be the keyboard | 22:38 |
| holstein | right ad left | 22:38 |
| holstein | SO | 22:38 |
| holstein | you go open ardour | 22:38 |
| holstein | create a stereo track | 22:39 |
| holstein | go back to the 'connect' window | 22:39 |
| holstein | and make sure the connections are made | 22:39 |
| holstein | from your sound card input to the stereo track you made | 22:39 |
| holstein | THEN you go back to ardour | 22:39 |
| holstein | and hit the record button | 22:39 |
| holstein | on the track | 22:39 |
| holstein | and at the top | 22:39 |
| holstein | that 'arms' ardourd | 22:40 |
| holstein | ardour* | 22:40 |
| virtu | ok.. at ardour.. it shows me NEW SESSION | 22:40 |
| holstein | then, hit play :) | 22:40 |
| holstein | and see if it sounds any better or not | 22:40 |
| holstein | virtu: yup | 22:40 |
| holstein | make whatever | 22:40 |
| holstein | a session called 'test' or whatever | 22:40 |
| virtu | ok... session created | 22:40 |
| holstein | SO | 22:41 |
| holstein | right click on the left pane | 22:41 |
| virtu | go back to connect window at JACK? | 22:41 |
| holstein | and make a new track | 22:41 |
| holstein | a stereo track | 22:41 |
| holstein | the left pane | 22:41 |
| holstein | under 'master | 22:41 |
| holstein | ' | 22:41 |
| holstein | you can do this in the menu too | 22:41 |
| virtu | wow.. there are a lots of connections at JACK =) | 22:41 |
| holstein | yup | 22:41 |
| holstein | JACK lets you connect whatever to whatever | 22:42 |
| holstein | hardware | 22:42 |
| holstein | software | 22:42 |
| virtu | ok.. new track created at ardour | 22:42 |
| holstein | yeah | 22:42 |
| holstein | just go and make sure everything looks right over in JACK | 22:42 |
| holstein | should have automatically connected everything properly | 22:43 |
| holstein | just hit all the +'s | 22:43 |
| holstein | and check it out | 22:43 |
| holstein | see whats going where | 22:43 |
| holstein | and why | 22:43 |
| virtu | capture_1 at audio 1/in 1 | 22:43 |
| virtu | it seems ok for me | 22:43 |
| holstein | yup | 22:43 |
| virtu | cap2 to audio 1/in2 | 22:44 |
| holstein | and cap2 at audio 1/in2 | 22:44 |
| holstein | :) | 22:44 |
| virtu | ok... | 22:44 |
| holstein | and you can monitor with the headphone out | 22:44 |
| holstein | on the keyboard | 22:44 |
| holstein | BECAUSE | 22:44 |
| holstein | there will be some lag | 22:44 |
| holstein | til you get better hardware | 22:44 |
| virtu | for that.. at piano have 2 headphones out | 22:44 |
| virtu | so 1 already connected to notebook | 22:44 |
| virtu | and another to a headphone.. | 22:44 |
| holstein | OH | 22:45 |
| virtu | so I can hear what I can play | 22:45 |
| holstein | yeah, i forgot you dont have those cables yet :/ | 22:45 |
| holstein | BUT later | 22:45 |
| holstein | thats how you'll want to do it | 22:45 |
| holstein | IF the lag is too strange for you | 22:45 |
| virtu | at this moment.. all conections are at headphone out -> line in | 22:45 |
| virtu | sure holstein | 22:45 |
| holstein | and i guess it doesnt matter | 22:45 |
| holstein | since your not playing in realtime | 22:45 |
| holstein | you recorded it into the piano's sequencer right? | 22:46 |
| virtu | sure | 22:46 |
| holstein | :) | 22:46 |
| virtu | so... after recored into piano sequencer... | 22:46 |
| virtu | go to ardour | 22:46 |
| virtu | and hit | 22:46 |
| holstein | yeah | 22:46 |
| holstein | in ardour | 22:46 |
| virtu | rec button | 22:47 |
| virtu | right? | 22:47 |
| holstein | hit the record button on the track | 22:47 |
| holstein | AND | 22:47 |
| holstein | up at the top | 22:47 |
| virtu | ok | 22:47 |
| virtu | ok | 22:47 |
| holstein | in the main transport | 22:47 |
| holstein | thats 'arming | 22:47 |
| holstein | then, when you hit play | 22:47 |
| holstein | whatever is armed with record | 22:47 |
| holstein | whatever is armed will record** | 22:47 |
| holstein | its worth a try | 22:48 |
| holstein | might be just as noisy | 22:48 |
| holstein | BUT this would be the best case scenario for you hardware i think | 22:48 |
| virtu | ok.. so.. i will try hit the rec button now | 22:49 |
| virtu | with a demo | 22:49 |
| holstein | also | 22:49 |
| holstein | i think default for ardour is 32-bit float | 22:50 |
| holstein | 44.1 ?? | 22:50 |
| holstein | not sure | 22:50 |
| holstein | BUT | 22:50 |
| holstein | if you find that this is working better | 22:50 |
| holstein | you might want to look into that | 22:50 |
| holstein | and do 24/44.1 or whatever | 22:50 |
| virtu | hmm didnt record nothing here | 22:51 |
| holstein | OK | 22:51 |
| holstein | when you have the track armed | 22:51 |
| holstein | you should see the meter moving | 22:51 |
| holstein | when you play the keyboard | 22:51 |
| holstein | the meter is right on the track there | 22:52 |
| virtu | hmm can t see nothing at all | 22:52 |
| holstein | beside the buttons | 22:52 |
| holstein | turn the volume up and make sure | 22:53 |
| holstein | virtu: you said you could hear the piano? | 22:53 |
| virtu | I can hear the piano with my headphones... not with the speakers from computer | 22:53 |
| holstein | OH | 22:53 |
| holstein | ok | 22:53 |
| holstein | thats telling | 22:53 |
| holstein | what 'in' are you using on your sound card? | 22:54 |
| holstein | do you have another one? | 22:54 |
| virtu | i think that i not armed | 22:54 |
| holstein | virtu: the rec button will be flashing i think | 22:54 |
| holstein | or red | 22:54 |
| virtu | ok.. rec button flashing and when I hit some jeys on piano, nothing happen in ardour screen | 22:55 |
| holstein | virtu: go to a terminal | 22:55 |
| holstein | open | 22:55 |
| holstein | alsamixer | 22:55 |
| holstein | and hit F4 | 22:55 |
| holstein | you should see captuer | 22:55 |
| holstein | capture* | 22:55 |
| virtu | ok | 22:55 |
| holstein | is that turned up? | 22:55 |
| virtu | 0<>0 | 22:55 |
| virtu | I guess no | 22:55 |
| holstein | AH | 22:55 |
| holstein | crank that up a bit | 22:56 |
| virtu | 42<>42 | 22:56 |
| holstein | maybe 81 | 22:56 |
| holstein | THEN | 22:56 |
| holstein | turn the volume down on the piano | 22:56 |
| virtu | ok | 22:56 |
| holstein | and gradually | 22:56 |
| holstein | turn it up | 22:56 |
| holstein | so you dont blow anything :) | 22:56 |
| holstein | does that do it? | 22:56 |
| virtu | ok | 22:57 |
| virtu | now I am hearing | 22:57 |
| holstein | the piano a little later that you play it? | 22:57 |
| virtu | when hit a key... speakers from notebook play it | 22:57 |
| holstein | and you see the meter moving? | 22:57 |
| virtu | at ardour... | 22:57 |
| holstein | the meter in ardour? | 22:57 |
| virtu | not yet | 22:57 |
| holstein | well, we're close | 22:58 |
| virtu | let me see if that window meter is showing | 22:58 |
| virtu | can see it | 22:58 |
| holstein | COOL | 22:59 |
| holstein | so that should record into ardour now then | 22:59 |
| holstein | and you shouldnt have to set that each time | 22:59 |
| holstein | BUT | 22:59 |
| holstein | its alsamixer if you need to | 22:59 |
| virtu | hmm.. at ardour... I press star recording and nothing record it | 23:00 |
| virtu | WAITTTTTTTTTTTTT | 23:00 |
| holstein | BUT | 23:00 |
| holstein | you see the meter moving? | 23:00 |
| virtu | on the left | 23:00 |
| holstein | if the meter is moving | 23:00 |
| holstein | we can record it | 23:00 |
| virtu | Audio 1, theres a RED BUTTON | 23:00 |
| holstein | we just have to get you hitting the right buttons | 23:00 |
| virtu | then I presss then | 23:00 |
| holstein | yup | 23:00 |
| virtu | and the meter is moving | 23:00 |
| holstein | AND | 23:00 |
| holstein | also the other record button | 23:00 |
| holstein | up at the top | 23:01 |
| holstein | THEN | 23:01 |
| holstein | you hit play | 23:01 |
| holstein | and that will start recording | 23:01 |
| holstein | you have to arm the tracks you want | 23:01 |
| holstein | THEN the program itself | 23:01 |
| holstein | then play makes it 'start' | 23:01 |
| virtu | ok.. recorded | 23:01 |
| virtu | but lots of noise =( | 23:02 |
| holstein | sweet :) | 23:02 |
| holstein | the same? | 23:02 |
| holstein | better? | 23:02 |
| holstein | worse ;) | 23:02 |
| virtu | more.. | 23:02 |
| virtu | worse... maybe at alsamixer | 23:02 |
| holstein | yeah | 23:02 |
| virtu | I will set a lower settings | 23:02 |
| holstein | you can try tweaking the levels | 23:02 |
| holstein | BUT, its probably just a loud card | 23:02 |
| holstein | AND you can try again when you can go from the line outs | 23:02 |
| holstein | that would be ideal | 23:03 |
| holstein | optimal | 23:03 |
| holstein | i think you woud want to turn the volume down at the piano | 23:03 |
| holstein | SO the headphone out is more like a line out | 23:03 |
| holstein | BUT you really just have to fiddle with it | 23:03 |
| virtu | 60% volume at piano | 23:03 |
| virtu | now jack wont start | 23:08 |
| virtu | started | 23:09 |
| virtu | holstein, How can I edit the sound? | 23:12 |
| virtu | like saving as flac or mp3 | 23:12 |
| holstein | virtu: i save as wav | 23:13 |
| holstein | and use soundconverter | 23:13 |
| virtu | ok | 23:13 |
| holstein | its in the repos | 23:13 |
| holstein | alright | 23:13 |
| holstein | i gotta run...BBL | 23:13 |
| holstein | virtu: good luck :) | 23:13 |
| virtu | export it | 23:13 |
| virtu | okok | 23:13 |
| virtu | holstein, thanks very much | 23:14 |
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