[08:36] <opaquish> hello everyone
[17:16] <funkoolow> hi there
[19:53] <Anarai> Hello friends...  I having trouble with my PC since last week.  I've downloaded 10.10 and everything was just perfect... Last week I turn on my pc and after writing my passphrase the screen went blank and stays that way...  Any ideas of whatś happening?
[20:55] <virtu> hi
[20:57] <virtu> anyone knows how to record without noise? or less noise? (record from a digital piano to notebook soundcard using headphone jack to line in)
[20:57] <virtu> and audacity software
[21:00] <crysaz> there is allways some noise. you can't get rid of it all
[21:06] <crysaz> and quite frankly, i don't have an easy answer for you
[21:16] <virtu> tks crysaz, maybe midi
[21:57] <holstein> virtu: yeah
[21:57] <holstein> its probably your sound card
[21:57] <holstein> might be able to decrease the noise with an external rig
[22:00] <virtu> hi holstein, how are you?
[22:01] <holstein> not bad :)
[22:01] <virtu> holstein, sure... I have to receive the Behringer UCA202
[22:01] <holstein> AH
[22:01] <holstein> yeah, that should help
[22:01] <holstein> and a good price too :)
[22:01] <virtu> hope with this audio interface I get a better quality
[22:02] <virtu> do you accepct a dcc file that I will send?
[22:02] <holstein> hmmm
[22:02] <virtu> it's a record from my new digital piano
[22:02] <holstein> do you have dropbox?
[22:02] <holstein> i dont really do that
[22:02] <virtu> have 4shared
[22:02] <virtu> wait
[22:02] <virtu> wait
[22:02] <holstein> im running on a server
[22:02] <holstein> http://holstein.shacknet.nu/dropbox
[22:02] <virtu> ok holstein, at 4shared you can hear without download
[22:03] <holstein> virtu: cool :)
[22:03] <holstein> where do i go?
[22:03] <holstein> virtu: how do you have it connected ?
[22:03] <virtu> http://www.4shared.com/audio/HWtaqQ5D/Final_Fantasy_-_Aeriths_Theme.html
[22:03] <holstein> the piano to the soundcard?
[22:04] <virtu> holstein, I connected using a simple audio cable (piano digital headphone output <-> line in soundcard)
[22:04] <virtu> first I played and record at intenal digital piano memory
[22:05] <holstein> virtu: does the keyboard have line outs?
[22:05] <virtu> yes
[22:05] <holstein> that would be ideal
[22:05] <virtu> but I dont have cable to use line out to line in
[22:05] <virtu> sure =)
[22:06] <holstein> that is probably introducing some noise
[22:06] <holstein> are you using a TRS cable?
[22:06] <virtu> I have to get some new cables
[22:06] <holstein> tip ring sleeve?
[22:06] <virtu> normal cables holstein I am using BUT
[22:06] <holstein> something that is maintaining the stereo signal?
[22:06] <holstein> you need to be aware of that
[22:07] <virtu> I have a RCA Stereo to headphone jack (mini) from Monster cable
[22:07] <holstein> you dont want to join a stereo out into a mono in
[22:08] <virtu> hmm let me see if I understand: so when connecting into a mono in have to use mono in jacks (one dark line at head of connectors)
[22:08] <holstein> virtu: yeah
[22:08] <virtu> ok.. got it
[22:08] <holstein> that sounds like sound card noise though
[22:08] <holstein> BuT still worth a try
[22:08] <virtu> my idea is to get some adators
[22:08] <holstein> virtu: its really not that bad
[22:09] <holstein> virtu: you want to use as few adapters as possible
[22:09] <holstein> those can introduce noise as well
[22:09] <virtu> ok.. so my little problem at this moment is pratice =)
[22:09] <holstein> AND
[22:09] <virtu> got some piano books to study by myself =)
[22:10] <holstein> if you can just create the thing with MIDI somehow
[22:10] <virtu> when I was young I got some piano lessons for a few years.. now I am back =)
[22:10] <holstein> then it will be clean
[22:10] <holstein> AH
[22:10] <virtu> holstein, sure
[22:10] <holstein> virtu: cool
[22:10] <holstein> yeah, just play in time :)
[22:10] <virtu> but holstein, with midi files I will only record data
[22:10] <virtu> so..
[22:10] <virtu> if I want to use the piano sounds of my digital piano, how can I do it? (midi newbie I am)
[22:11] <holstein> you cant
[22:11] <holstein> and record it cleanly
[22:11] <holstein> BUT there are piano sound fonts around im sure
[22:11] <virtu> hmm got...
[22:12] <virtu> http://www.amazon.com/Monster-JM-REPC-HP-20-Connection/dp/B00003CWC9
[22:12] <virtu> I already have this cables
[22:12] <holstein> that should help
[22:12] <virtu> but... with behringer I will need some new ones (RCA to RCA)
[22:12] <holstein> if you have RCA outs onthe keyboard
[22:12] <holstein> virtu: yeah
[22:12] <holstein> that has RCA ins AFAIK
[22:13] <virtu> holstein, no =( have 6.3jacks
[22:13] <holstein> you can get a mixer though
[22:13] <holstein> and use that in front of the USB interface
[22:13] <virtu> that why I need 2 adapters =(
[22:13] <holstein> that will have XLR ins
[22:13] <holstein> preamps
[22:13] <holstein> 1/4 inch
[22:13] <virtu> the big ones
[22:13] <virtu> 1/4 sure
[22:13] <holstein> virtu: you dont have to get 60 dollar cables ;)
[22:13] <holstein> you can just get some cheapy ones to check it out
[22:13] <virtu> holstein, I didnt pay that value I got from ebay
[22:14] <virtu> 19U$ the SAME cable
[22:14] <holstein> stil
[22:14] <holstein> the cable i use like that was a couple bucks
[22:14] <virtu> right now I am using that cable to connect some speakers to my note
[22:14] <holstein> and i'll care when i can hear the difference ;)
[22:14] <holstein> im sure the monster is more durable
[22:14] <virtu> so, have to check if I found some good cables here in my city
[22:15] <holstein> you in the US ?
[22:15] <virtu> 1/4 inch to RCA (two cables)
[22:15] <virtu> no holstein, Brazil
[22:15] <holstein> AH
[22:15] <virtu> South of Brazil
[22:15] <holstein> yeah, you could get a couple RCA to 1/4 inch adapters
[22:15] <holstein> those are handy
[22:15] <holstein> and would be OK in the signal path i bet
[22:15] <holstein> you just dont want a bunch of them
[22:16] <holstein> ive seen some strange set-ups on the road
[22:16] <virtu> have to find that here... I bought 2 from ebay (china) and the seller sent me wrongs =/
[22:16] <holstein> PAs running with like 6 adapters between the source and the PA
[22:16] <holstein> and noise
[22:16] <holstein> yeah, i got a bunch of those
[22:16] <holstein> and some that go the other way
[22:16] <holstein> just in case
[22:17] <virtu> http://www.4shared.com/file/_ZT52dy3/Kawai_ES6_Piano_and_Strings.html
[22:17] <virtu> at this URL have a FLAC sound that I recorded... it is a demo song from Kawai ES6
[22:19] <virtu> for really I need 2 sets of 1/4 to RCA
[22:19] <virtu> 1 for connect my speakers to piano and 2nd one to connect the piano to audio interface
[22:19] <holstein> virtu: thats not bad
[22:19] <holstein> pretty clean really
[22:19] <virtu> with FLAC?
[22:20] <holstein> virtu: you can monitor with the headphone jack
[22:20] <holstein> on the piano
[22:20] <virtu> ohh I forgot to say
[22:20] <virtu> recorded by audacity
[22:20] <holstein> and take the 'clean' signal to tape
[22:20] <holstein> might want to try JACK and something
[22:20] <virtu> and noise removal effects and normalize applied
[22:20] <holstein> JACK and ardour
[22:20] <virtu> ok
[22:21] <holstein> JACK might help
[22:21] <holstein> and it surely cant hurt
[22:22] <virtu> hmm... didnt understand... so JACK is a software to monitor the haedphone?
[22:22] <virtu> sorry
[22:22] <holstein> nope
[22:22] <holstein> if i wanted to do what your doing
[22:23] <holstein> i would get my audio interface out
[22:23] <holstein> start JACK
[22:23] <holstein> and ardour
[22:23] <holstein> and record using those
[22:23] <holstein> not using the internal sound card with pulse and audacity
[22:23] <holstein> 2 of those options are software
[22:24] <holstein> so, you can just try them without buying anything
[22:24] <virtu> JACK Control
[22:24] <holstein> thats te GUI front end
[22:25] <holstein> BUT you might want to read around a bit
[22:25] <virtu> I have both of this installed
[22:25] <holstein> its got a learning curve itself
[22:25] <holstein> and ardour too
[22:25] <virtu> Ardour GTK
[22:25] <holstein> yup
[22:26] <holstein> virtu: are you running 10.10?
[22:26] <holstein> or 10.04?
[22:26] <virtu> 10.10
[22:26] <holstein> OK
[22:26] <holstein> jack will probably just start then
[22:26] <holstein> if you want to give it a go
[22:26] <holstein> you start jack control
[22:26] <holstein> hit start
[22:26] <holstein> and see if it complains
[22:27] <virtu> ok... I am on it.. trying to understand better that software
[22:27] <holstein> its a sound server
[22:27] <holstein> it takes over your audio device
[22:27] <holstein> in a good way :)
[22:28] <virtu> hmm ok
[22:28] <holstein> try clicking start
[22:28] <holstein> and it'll either run
[22:28] <holstein> OR spit out some complaints
[22:28] <holstein> and we can sort them out
[22:28] <virtu> got some errors here
[22:28] <holstein> OK
[22:28] <holstein> close it
[22:28] <virtu> could not connect to JACK server as client
[22:29] <holstein> open a terminal
[22:29] <holstein> and run
[22:29] <holstein> sudo qjackctl
[22:29] <holstein> then try clicking start
[22:29] <holstein> and see if you get errors
[22:29] <virtu> samer error
[22:29] <virtu> wait
[22:29] <holstein> interesting
[22:30] <holstein> virtu: is it running
[22:30] <holstein> ?
[22:30] <virtu> how can I past the messages from JACK?
[22:30] <holstein> pastebin
[22:31] <holstein> http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[22:32] <virtu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/531423/
[22:33] <holstein> virtu: OK
[22:33] <holstein> close JACKcontrol
[22:33] <holstein> the root one
[22:34] <virtu> closed
[22:34] <holstein> lets go back and open the normal one again
[22:34] <holstein> then
[22:34] <holstein> click on 'setup'
[22:34] <virtu> ok
[22:34] <holstein> there is a 'realtime' checkbox
[22:34] <virtu> at setup screen
[22:34] <holstein> lest uncheck that
[22:34] <holstein> lets*
[22:35] <holstein> you uncheck that ;)
[22:35] <virtu> ok... realtime was checked, now uncheck
[22:35] <holstein> and try click OK
[22:35] <holstein> and try starting again
[22:36] <virtu> started
[22:36] <holstein> COOL
[22:36] <holstein> ok
[22:36] <holstein> SO now
[22:36] <holstein> click on
[22:36] <virtu> 44100 Hz
[22:36] <holstein> 'connect'
[22:36] <virtu> ok
[22:36] <holstein> and hit the little plus signs you see
[22:36] <holstein> to expand the sections
[22:36] <holstein> on the left
[22:36] <holstein> you'll see the ins on your card
[22:37] <virtu> ok Audio Tab, I got Readable Clients/Outputs Ports
[22:37] <holstein> on the right, you'll see the card outputs
[22:37] <holstein> SO
[22:37] <holstein> if you want to hear the piano
[22:37] <holstein> which
[22:37] <virtu> Sytem -> click on plus, now show capture_1 and capture_2
[22:37] <holstein> you wont do this way when your recording
[22:38] <holstein> virtu: yeah, click on all the +'s
[22:38] <holstein> should be 2 of them
[22:38] <holstein> if you have your piano plugged in to your sound card
[22:38] <virtu> ok... at audio tab capture_1 and 2 at output port and playback_1 and 2 at input port
[22:38] <holstein> that will be on the left
[22:38] <holstein> cap1 and 2
[22:38] <virtu> ok holstein, got it
[22:38] <holstein> that will be the keyboard
[22:38] <holstein> right ad left
[22:38] <holstein> SO
[22:38] <holstein> you go open ardour
[22:39] <holstein> create a stereo track
[22:39] <holstein> go back to the 'connect' window
[22:39] <holstein> and make sure the connections are made
[22:39] <holstein> from your sound card input to the stereo track you made
[22:39] <holstein> THEN you go back to ardour
[22:39] <holstein> and hit the record button
[22:39] <holstein> on the track
[22:39] <holstein> and at the top
[22:40] <holstein> that 'arms' ardourd
[22:40] <holstein> ardour*
[22:40] <virtu> ok.. at ardour.. it shows me NEW SESSION
[22:40] <holstein> then, hit play :)
[22:40] <holstein> and see if it sounds any better or not
[22:40] <holstein> virtu: yup
[22:40] <holstein> make whatever
[22:40] <holstein> a session called 'test' or whatever
[22:40] <virtu> ok... session created
[22:41] <holstein> SO
[22:41] <holstein> right click on the left pane
[22:41] <virtu> go back to connect window at JACK?
[22:41] <holstein> and make a new track
[22:41] <holstein> a stereo track
[22:41] <holstein> the left pane
[22:41] <holstein> under 'master
[22:41] <holstein> '
[22:41] <holstein> you can do this in the menu too
[22:41] <virtu> wow.. there are a lots of connections at JACK =)
[22:41] <holstein> yup
[22:42] <holstein> JACK lets you connect whatever to whatever
[22:42] <holstein> hardware
[22:42] <holstein> software
[22:42] <virtu> ok.. new track created at ardour
[22:42] <holstein> yeah
[22:42] <holstein> just go and make sure everything looks right over in JACK
[22:43] <holstein> should have automatically connected everything properly
[22:43] <holstein> just hit all the +'s
[22:43] <holstein> and check it out
[22:43] <holstein> see whats going where
[22:43] <holstein> and why
[22:43] <virtu> capture_1 at audio 1/in 1
[22:43] <virtu> it seems ok for me
[22:43] <holstein> yup
[22:44] <virtu> cap2 to audio 1/in2
[22:44] <holstein> and cap2 at audio 1/in2
[22:44] <holstein> :)
[22:44] <virtu> ok...
[22:44] <holstein> and you can monitor with the headphone out
[22:44] <holstein> on the keyboard
[22:44] <holstein> BECAUSE
[22:44] <holstein> there will be some lag
[22:44] <holstein> til you get better hardware
[22:44] <virtu> for that.. at piano have 2 headphones out
[22:44] <virtu> so 1 already connected to notebook
[22:44] <virtu> and another to a headphone..
[22:45] <holstein> OH
[22:45] <virtu> so I can hear what I can play
[22:45] <holstein> yeah, i forgot you dont have those cables yet :/
[22:45] <holstein> BUT later
[22:45] <holstein> thats how you'll want to do it
[22:45] <holstein> IF the lag is too strange for you
[22:45] <virtu> at this moment.. all conections are at headphone out -> line in
[22:45] <virtu> sure holstein
[22:45] <holstein> and i guess it doesnt matter
[22:45] <holstein> since your not playing in realtime
[22:46] <holstein> you recorded it into the piano's sequencer right?
[22:46] <virtu> sure
[22:46] <holstein> :)
[22:46] <virtu> so... after recored into piano sequencer...
[22:46] <virtu> go to ardour
[22:46] <virtu> and hit
[22:46] <holstein> yeah
[22:46] <holstein> in ardour
[22:47] <virtu> rec button
[22:47] <virtu> right?
[22:47] <holstein> hit the record button on the track
[22:47] <holstein> AND
[22:47] <holstein> up at the top
[22:47] <virtu> ok
[22:47] <virtu> ok
[22:47] <holstein> in the main transport
[22:47] <holstein> thats 'arming
[22:47] <holstein> then, when you hit play
[22:47] <holstein> whatever is armed with record
[22:47] <holstein> whatever is armed will record**
[22:48] <holstein> its worth a try
[22:48] <holstein> might be just as noisy
[22:48] <holstein> BUT this would be the best case scenario for you hardware i think
[22:49] <virtu> ok.. so.. i will try hit the rec button now
[22:49] <virtu> with a demo
[22:49] <holstein> also
[22:50] <holstein> i think default for ardour is 32-bit float
[22:50] <holstein> 44.1 ??
[22:50] <holstein> not sure
[22:50] <holstein> BUT
[22:50] <holstein> if you find that this is working better
[22:50] <holstein> you might want to look into that
[22:50] <holstein> and do 24/44.1 or whatever
[22:51] <virtu> hmm didnt record nothing here
[22:51] <holstein> OK
[22:51] <holstein> when you have the track armed
[22:51] <holstein> you should see the meter moving
[22:51] <holstein> when you play the keyboard
[22:52] <holstein> the meter is right on the track there
[22:52] <virtu> hmm can t see nothing at all
[22:52] <holstein> beside the buttons
[22:53] <holstein> turn the volume up and make sure
[22:53] <holstein> virtu: you said you could hear the piano?
[22:53] <virtu> I can hear the piano with my headphones... not with the speakers from computer
[22:53] <holstein> OH
[22:53] <holstein> ok
[22:53] <holstein> thats telling
[22:54] <holstein> what 'in' are you using on your sound card?
[22:54] <holstein> do you have another one?
[22:54] <virtu> i think that i not armed
[22:54] <holstein> virtu: the rec button will be flashing i think
[22:54] <holstein> or red
[22:55] <virtu> ok.. rec button flashing and when I hit some jeys on piano, nothing happen in ardour screen
[22:55] <holstein> virtu: go to a terminal
[22:55] <holstein> open
[22:55] <holstein> alsamixer
[22:55] <holstein> and hit F4
[22:55] <holstein> you should see captuer
[22:55] <holstein> capture*
[22:55] <virtu> ok
[22:55] <holstein> is that turned up?
[22:55] <virtu> 0<>0
[22:55] <virtu> I guess no
[22:55] <holstein> AH
[22:56] <holstein> crank that up a bit
[22:56] <virtu> 42<>42
[22:56] <holstein> maybe 81
[22:56] <holstein> THEN
[22:56] <holstein> turn the volume down on the piano
[22:56] <virtu> ok
[22:56] <holstein> and gradually
[22:56] <holstein> turn it up
[22:56] <holstein> so you dont blow anything :)
[22:56] <holstein> does that do it?
[22:57] <virtu> ok
[22:57] <virtu> now I am hearing
[22:57] <holstein> the piano a little later that you play it?
[22:57] <virtu> when hit a key... speakers from notebook play it
[22:57] <holstein> and you see the meter moving?
[22:57] <virtu> at ardour...
[22:57] <holstein> the meter in ardour?
[22:57] <virtu> not yet
[22:58] <holstein> well, we're close
[22:58] <virtu> let me see if that window meter is showing
[22:58] <virtu> can see it
[22:59] <holstein> COOL
[22:59] <holstein> so that should record into ardour now then
[22:59] <holstein> and you shouldnt have to set that each time
[22:59] <holstein> BUT
[22:59] <holstein> its alsamixer if you need to
[23:00] <virtu> hmm.. at ardour... I press star recording and nothing record it
[23:00] <virtu> WAITTTTTTTTTTTTT
[23:00] <holstein> BUT
[23:00] <holstein> you see the meter moving?
[23:00] <virtu> on the left
[23:00] <holstein> if the meter is moving
[23:00] <holstein> we can record it
[23:00] <virtu> Audio 1, theres a RED BUTTON
[23:00] <holstein> we just have to get you hitting the right buttons
[23:00] <virtu> then I presss then
[23:00] <holstein> yup
[23:00] <virtu> and the meter is moving
[23:00] <holstein> AND
[23:00] <holstein> also the other record button
[23:01] <holstein> up at the top
[23:01] <holstein> THEN
[23:01] <holstein> you hit play
[23:01] <holstein> and that will start recording
[23:01] <holstein> you have to arm the tracks you want
[23:01] <holstein> THEN the program itself
[23:01] <holstein> then play makes it 'start'
[23:01] <virtu> ok.. recorded
[23:02] <virtu> but lots of noise =(
[23:02] <holstein> sweet :)
[23:02] <holstein> the same?
[23:02] <holstein> better?
[23:02] <holstein> worse ;)
[23:02] <virtu> more..
[23:02] <virtu> worse... maybe at alsamixer
[23:02] <holstein> yeah
[23:02] <virtu> I will set a lower settings
[23:02] <holstein> you can try tweaking the levels
[23:02] <holstein> BUT, its probably just a loud card
[23:02] <holstein> AND you can try again when you can go from the line outs
[23:03] <holstein> that would be ideal
[23:03] <holstein> optimal
[23:03] <holstein> i think you woud want to turn the volume down at the piano
[23:03] <holstein> SO the headphone out is more like a line out
[23:03] <holstein> BUT you really just have to fiddle with it
[23:03] <virtu> 60% volume at piano
[23:08] <virtu> now jack wont start
[23:09] <virtu> started
[23:12] <virtu> holstein, How can I edit the sound?
[23:12] <virtu> like saving as flac or mp3
[23:13] <holstein> virtu: i save as wav
[23:13] <holstein> and use soundconverter
[23:13] <virtu> ok
[23:13] <holstein> its in the repos
[23:13] <holstein> alright
[23:13] <holstein> i gotta run...BBL
[23:13] <holstein> virtu: good luck :)
[23:13] <virtu> export it
[23:13] <virtu> okok
[23:14] <virtu> holstein, thanks very much