[08:36] hello everyone [17:16] hi there [19:53] Hello friends... I having trouble with my PC since last week. I've downloaded 10.10 and everything was just perfect... Last week I turn on my pc and after writing my passphrase the screen went blank and stays that way... Any ideas of whatÅ› happening? [20:55] hi [20:57] anyone knows how to record without noise? or less noise? (record from a digital piano to notebook soundcard using headphone jack to line in) [20:57] and audacity software [21:00] there is allways some noise. you can't get rid of it all [21:06] and quite frankly, i don't have an easy answer for you [21:16] tks crysaz, maybe midi [21:57] virtu: yeah [21:57] its probably your sound card [21:57] might be able to decrease the noise with an external rig [22:00] hi holstein, how are you? [22:01] not bad :) [22:01] holstein, sure... I have to receive the Behringer UCA202 [22:01] AH [22:01] yeah, that should help [22:01] and a good price too :) [22:01] hope with this audio interface I get a better quality [22:02] do you accepct a dcc file that I will send? [22:02] hmmm [22:02] it's a record from my new digital piano [22:02] do you have dropbox? [22:02] i dont really do that [22:02] have 4shared [22:02] wait [22:02] wait [22:02] im running on a server [22:02] http://holstein.shacknet.nu/dropbox [22:02] ok holstein, at 4shared you can hear without download [22:03] virtu: cool :) [22:03] where do i go? [22:03] virtu: how do you have it connected ? [22:03] http://www.4shared.com/audio/HWtaqQ5D/Final_Fantasy_-_Aeriths_Theme.html [22:03] the piano to the soundcard? [22:04] holstein, I connected using a simple audio cable (piano digital headphone output <-> line in soundcard) [22:04] first I played and record at intenal digital piano memory [22:05] virtu: does the keyboard have line outs? [22:05] yes [22:05] that would be ideal [22:05] but I dont have cable to use line out to line in [22:05] sure =) [22:06] that is probably introducing some noise [22:06] are you using a TRS cable? [22:06] I have to get some new cables [22:06] tip ring sleeve? [22:06] normal cables holstein I am using BUT [22:06] something that is maintaining the stereo signal? [22:06] you need to be aware of that [22:07] I have a RCA Stereo to headphone jack (mini) from Monster cable [22:07] you dont want to join a stereo out into a mono in [22:08] hmm let me see if I understand: so when connecting into a mono in have to use mono in jacks (one dark line at head of connectors) [22:08] virtu: yeah [22:08] ok.. got it [22:08] that sounds like sound card noise though [22:08] BuT still worth a try [22:08] my idea is to get some adators [22:08] virtu: its really not that bad [22:09] virtu: you want to use as few adapters as possible [22:09] those can introduce noise as well [22:09] ok.. so my little problem at this moment is pratice =) [22:09] AND [22:09] got some piano books to study by myself =) [22:10] if you can just create the thing with MIDI somehow [22:10] when I was young I got some piano lessons for a few years.. now I am back =) [22:10] then it will be clean [22:10] AH [22:10] holstein, sure [22:10] virtu: cool [22:10] yeah, just play in time :) [22:10] but holstein, with midi files I will only record data [22:10] so.. [22:10] if I want to use the piano sounds of my digital piano, how can I do it? (midi newbie I am) [22:11] you cant [22:11] and record it cleanly [22:11] BUT there are piano sound fonts around im sure [22:11] hmm got... [22:12] http://www.amazon.com/Monster-JM-REPC-HP-20-Connection/dp/B00003CWC9 [22:12] I already have this cables [22:12] that should help [22:12] but... with behringer I will need some new ones (RCA to RCA) [22:12] if you have RCA outs onthe keyboard [22:12] virtu: yeah [22:12] that has RCA ins AFAIK [22:13] holstein, no =( have 6.3jacks [22:13] you can get a mixer though [22:13] and use that in front of the USB interface [22:13] that why I need 2 adapters =( [22:13] that will have XLR ins [22:13] preamps [22:13] 1/4 inch [22:13] the big ones [22:13] 1/4 sure [22:13] virtu: you dont have to get 60 dollar cables ;) [22:13] you can just get some cheapy ones to check it out [22:13] holstein, I didnt pay that value I got from ebay [22:14] 19U$ the SAME cable [22:14] stil [22:14] the cable i use like that was a couple bucks [22:14] right now I am using that cable to connect some speakers to my note [22:14] and i'll care when i can hear the difference ;) [22:14] im sure the monster is more durable [22:14] so, have to check if I found some good cables here in my city [22:15] you in the US ? [22:15] 1/4 inch to RCA (two cables) [22:15] no holstein, Brazil [22:15] AH [22:15] South of Brazil [22:15] yeah, you could get a couple RCA to 1/4 inch adapters [22:15] those are handy [22:15] and would be OK in the signal path i bet [22:15] you just dont want a bunch of them [22:16] ive seen some strange set-ups on the road [22:16] have to find that here... I bought 2 from ebay (china) and the seller sent me wrongs =/ [22:16] PAs running with like 6 adapters between the source and the PA [22:16] and noise [22:16] yeah, i got a bunch of those [22:16] and some that go the other way [22:16] just in case [22:17] http://www.4shared.com/file/_ZT52dy3/Kawai_ES6_Piano_and_Strings.html [22:17] at this URL have a FLAC sound that I recorded... it is a demo song from Kawai ES6 [22:19] for really I need 2 sets of 1/4 to RCA [22:19] 1 for connect my speakers to piano and 2nd one to connect the piano to audio interface [22:19] virtu: thats not bad [22:19] pretty clean really [22:19] with FLAC? [22:20] virtu: you can monitor with the headphone jack [22:20] on the piano [22:20] ohh I forgot to say [22:20] recorded by audacity [22:20] and take the 'clean' signal to tape [22:20] might want to try JACK and something [22:20] and noise removal effects and normalize applied [22:20] JACK and ardour [22:20] ok [22:21] JACK might help [22:21] and it surely cant hurt [22:22] hmm... didnt understand... so JACK is a software to monitor the haedphone? [22:22] sorry [22:22] nope [22:22] if i wanted to do what your doing [22:23] i would get my audio interface out [22:23] start JACK [22:23] and ardour [22:23] and record using those [22:23] not using the internal sound card with pulse and audacity [22:23] 2 of those options are software [22:24] so, you can just try them without buying anything [22:24] JACK Control [22:24] thats te GUI front end [22:25] BUT you might want to read around a bit [22:25] I have both of this installed [22:25] its got a learning curve itself [22:25] and ardour too [22:25] Ardour GTK [22:25] yup [22:26] virtu: are you running 10.10? [22:26] or 10.04? [22:26] 10.10 [22:26] OK [22:26] jack will probably just start then [22:26] if you want to give it a go [22:26] you start jack control [22:26] hit start [22:26] and see if it complains [22:27] ok... I am on it.. trying to understand better that software [22:27] its a sound server [22:27] it takes over your audio device [22:27] in a good way :) [22:28] hmm ok [22:28] try clicking start [22:28] and it'll either run [22:28] OR spit out some complaints [22:28] and we can sort them out [22:28] got some errors here [22:28] OK [22:28] close it [22:28] could not connect to JACK server as client [22:29] open a terminal [22:29] and run [22:29] sudo qjackctl [22:29] then try clicking start [22:29] and see if you get errors [22:29] samer error [22:29] wait [22:29] interesting [22:30] virtu: is it running [22:30] ? [22:30] how can I past the messages from JACK? [22:30] pastebin [22:31] http://paste.ubuntu.com/ [22:32] http://paste.ubuntu.com/531423/ [22:33] virtu: OK [22:33] close JACKcontrol [22:33] the root one [22:34] closed [22:34] lets go back and open the normal one again [22:34] then [22:34] click on 'setup' [22:34] ok [22:34] there is a 'realtime' checkbox [22:34] at setup screen [22:34] lest uncheck that [22:34] lets* [22:35] you uncheck that ;) [22:35] ok... realtime was checked, now uncheck [22:35] and try click OK [22:35] and try starting again [22:36] started [22:36] COOL [22:36] ok [22:36] SO now [22:36] click on [22:36] 44100 Hz [22:36] 'connect' [22:36] ok [22:36] and hit the little plus signs you see [22:36] to expand the sections [22:36] on the left [22:36] you'll see the ins on your card [22:37] ok Audio Tab, I got Readable Clients/Outputs Ports [22:37] on the right, you'll see the card outputs [22:37] SO [22:37] if you want to hear the piano [22:37] which [22:37] Sytem -> click on plus, now show capture_1 and capture_2 [22:37] you wont do this way when your recording [22:38] virtu: yeah, click on all the +'s [22:38] should be 2 of them [22:38] if you have your piano plugged in to your sound card [22:38] ok... at audio tab capture_1 and 2 at output port and playback_1 and 2 at input port [22:38] that will be on the left [22:38] cap1 and 2 [22:38] ok holstein, got it [22:38] that will be the keyboard [22:38] right ad left [22:38] SO [22:38] you go open ardour [22:39] create a stereo track [22:39] go back to the 'connect' window [22:39] and make sure the connections are made [22:39] from your sound card input to the stereo track you made [22:39] THEN you go back to ardour [22:39] and hit the record button [22:39] on the track [22:39] and at the top [22:40] that 'arms' ardourd [22:40] ardour* [22:40] ok.. at ardour.. it shows me NEW SESSION [22:40] then, hit play :) [22:40] and see if it sounds any better or not [22:40] virtu: yup [22:40] make whatever [22:40] a session called 'test' or whatever [22:40] ok... session created [22:41] SO [22:41] right click on the left pane [22:41] go back to connect window at JACK? [22:41] and make a new track [22:41] a stereo track [22:41] the left pane [22:41] under 'master [22:41] ' [22:41] you can do this in the menu too [22:41] wow.. there are a lots of connections at JACK =) [22:41] yup [22:42] JACK lets you connect whatever to whatever [22:42] hardware [22:42] software [22:42] ok.. new track created at ardour [22:42] yeah [22:42] just go and make sure everything looks right over in JACK [22:43] should have automatically connected everything properly [22:43] just hit all the +'s [22:43] and check it out [22:43] see whats going where [22:43] and why [22:43] capture_1 at audio 1/in 1 [22:43] it seems ok for me [22:43] yup [22:44] cap2 to audio 1/in2 [22:44] and cap2 at audio 1/in2 [22:44] :) [22:44] ok... [22:44] and you can monitor with the headphone out [22:44] on the keyboard [22:44] BECAUSE [22:44] there will be some lag [22:44] til you get better hardware [22:44] for that.. at piano have 2 headphones out [22:44] so 1 already connected to notebook [22:44] and another to a headphone.. [22:45] OH [22:45] so I can hear what I can play [22:45] yeah, i forgot you dont have those cables yet :/ [22:45] BUT later [22:45] thats how you'll want to do it [22:45] IF the lag is too strange for you [22:45] at this moment.. all conections are at headphone out -> line in [22:45] sure holstein [22:45] and i guess it doesnt matter [22:45] since your not playing in realtime [22:46] you recorded it into the piano's sequencer right? [22:46] sure [22:46] :) [22:46] so... after recored into piano sequencer... [22:46] go to ardour [22:46] and hit [22:46] yeah [22:46] in ardour [22:47] rec button [22:47] right? [22:47] hit the record button on the track [22:47] AND [22:47] up at the top [22:47] ok [22:47] ok [22:47] in the main transport [22:47] thats 'arming [22:47] then, when you hit play [22:47] whatever is armed with record [22:47] whatever is armed will record** [22:48] its worth a try [22:48] might be just as noisy [22:48] BUT this would be the best case scenario for you hardware i think [22:49] ok.. so.. i will try hit the rec button now [22:49] with a demo [22:49] also [22:50] i think default for ardour is 32-bit float [22:50] 44.1 ?? [22:50] not sure [22:50] BUT [22:50] if you find that this is working better [22:50] you might want to look into that [22:50] and do 24/44.1 or whatever [22:51] hmm didnt record nothing here [22:51] OK [22:51] when you have the track armed [22:51] you should see the meter moving [22:51] when you play the keyboard [22:52] the meter is right on the track there [22:52] hmm can t see nothing at all [22:52] beside the buttons [22:53] turn the volume up and make sure [22:53] virtu: you said you could hear the piano? [22:53] I can hear the piano with my headphones... not with the speakers from computer [22:53] OH [22:53] ok [22:53] thats telling [22:54] what 'in' are you using on your sound card? [22:54] do you have another one? [22:54] i think that i not armed [22:54] virtu: the rec button will be flashing i think [22:54] or red [22:55] ok.. rec button flashing and when I hit some jeys on piano, nothing happen in ardour screen [22:55] virtu: go to a terminal [22:55] open [22:55] alsamixer [22:55] and hit F4 [22:55] you should see captuer [22:55] capture* [22:55] ok [22:55] is that turned up? [22:55] 0<>0 [22:55] I guess no [22:55] AH [22:56] crank that up a bit [22:56] 42<>42 [22:56] maybe 81 [22:56] THEN [22:56] turn the volume down on the piano [22:56] ok [22:56] and gradually [22:56] turn it up [22:56] so you dont blow anything :) [22:56] does that do it? [22:57] ok [22:57] now I am hearing [22:57] the piano a little later that you play it? [22:57] when hit a key... speakers from notebook play it [22:57] and you see the meter moving? [22:57] at ardour... [22:57] the meter in ardour? [22:57] not yet [22:58] well, we're close [22:58] let me see if that window meter is showing [22:58] can see it [22:59] COOL [22:59] so that should record into ardour now then [22:59] and you shouldnt have to set that each time [22:59] BUT [22:59] its alsamixer if you need to [23:00] hmm.. at ardour... I press star recording and nothing record it [23:00] WAITTTTTTTTTTTTT [23:00] BUT [23:00] you see the meter moving? [23:00] on the left [23:00] if the meter is moving [23:00] we can record it [23:00] Audio 1, theres a RED BUTTON [23:00] we just have to get you hitting the right buttons [23:00] then I presss then [23:00] yup [23:00] and the meter is moving [23:00] AND [23:00] also the other record button [23:01] up at the top [23:01] THEN [23:01] you hit play [23:01] and that will start recording [23:01] you have to arm the tracks you want [23:01] THEN the program itself [23:01] then play makes it 'start' [23:01] ok.. recorded [23:02] but lots of noise =( [23:02] sweet :) [23:02] the same? [23:02] better? [23:02] worse ;) [23:02] more.. [23:02] worse... maybe at alsamixer [23:02] yeah [23:02] I will set a lower settings [23:02] you can try tweaking the levels [23:02] BUT, its probably just a loud card [23:02] AND you can try again when you can go from the line outs [23:03] that would be ideal [23:03] optimal [23:03] i think you woud want to turn the volume down at the piano [23:03] SO the headphone out is more like a line out [23:03] BUT you really just have to fiddle with it [23:03] 60% volume at piano [23:08] now jack wont start [23:09] started [23:12] holstein, How can I edit the sound? [23:12] like saving as flac or mp3 [23:13] virtu: i save as wav [23:13] and use soundconverter [23:13] ok [23:13] its in the repos [23:13] alright [23:13] i gotta run...BBL [23:13] virtu: good luck :) [23:13] export it [23:13] okok [23:14] holstein, thanks very much