[00:38] <xubuntu976> aloha
[00:38] <xubuntu976> :D
[00:38] <xubuntu976> LD
[00:38] <xubuntu976> hello world
[00:40] <xubuntu976> wuz up?
[00:40] <xubuntu976> exiting
[02:09] <jtmoney> I'm running 10.04.1 LTS.  What is the preferred method of upgrading XFCE to 4.6.2 without upgrading to 10.10?
[02:10] <moetunes> see if it is in backports or check if there is a ppa maybe
[02:11] <jtmoney> moetunes, it's not in backports (I have that repo enabled), and there's no PPA as far as I can tell.
[02:12] <moetunes> jtmoney:  it might be hard to do then - you could build the source
[02:12] <moetunes> !checkinstall
[02:12] <xGrind> !xfce
[02:15] <jtmoney> xGrind, uhm, I'm running Xubuntu 10.04.1.
[02:15] <xGrind> 10.04.1 ?
[02:15] <jtmoney> That's what it says on my TTYs.
[02:16] <jtmoney> After I ran apt-get update/upgrade.
[02:16] <jtmoney> But, yes, Xubuntu 10.04.
[02:22] <xGrind> jtmoney; better
[02:22] <xGrind> ?
[02:24] <jtmoney> Huh?
[02:25] <jtmoney> 10.10 completely screws with remote controls, and I don't want to go through all that again.  Plus, this is more-or-less a server for my house, so I'd rather keep 10.04 on it.  But XFCE 4.6.2 seems to be mostly bug fixes, so I don't see why I shouldn't install that.
[03:17] <DrCherry> fresh install of 10.10, i borked my display resolution, what file do I have to edit it to fix it?  I can't see anything if I log on.
[03:18] <moetunes> how did you bork it? - is there a /etc/X11/xorg.conf file?
[03:18] <DrCherry> I set it too high, and there's no /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:19] <DrCherry> maybe there's a .x... file in my home dir?
[03:19] <moetunes> try moving ~/.config/xfce to xfce.bak if you used the xfce resolution setter
[03:20] <DrCherry> okay I don't have that file either
[03:21] <moetunes> that'll be a dir
[03:22] <DrCherry> okay i have .conf/xfce4
[03:22] <moetunes> which don't you have? - .config?
[03:22] <DrCherry> shall i rename that whole dir?
[03:22] <moetunes> won't hurt - you can move it back later
[03:23] <moetunes> use the tab button to complete file names in tty's or terminal - it saves time and errors
[03:23] <DrCherry> rebooting
[03:24] <DrCherry> fixed, thx
[03:25] <DrCherry> i'm going to root around in that dir and see if I can find the exact file
[03:25] <moetunes> np :)
[03:28] <DrCherry> there's a file in there called displays.xml that appears to hold the setting
[03:29] <moetunes> you could edit it or remove it or rename it as you pls
[03:30] <DrCherry> i restored my old xfce4 directory with the res fixed, rebooting
[03:31] <DrCherry> weird, i was hoping to get the default look when i installed but now my menu bar is at the bottom and the icons are different, odd
[03:32] <moetunes> must have a config that sets that somewhere
[03:32] <DrCherry> no biggie
[04:34] <rshakin> hey ppl
[04:35] <rshakin> anyone using the dropbox service ?
[04:48] <ridin> rshakin, dropbox does work here.
[04:51] <rshakin> hmm strange... it does work but for some reason my background keeps crashing when i am running it as a service
[04:51] <rshakin> ridin: there seems to be something wrong, i am running the lts 8.04 version of xubuntu...
[04:52] <ridin> well, xubuntu is end of life...
[04:54] <rshakin> what do you mean... no more xubuntu
[04:55] <rshakin> what is going to replace it ?
[04:55] <ridin> i mean, 8.04 isn't getting more updates
[04:55] <ridin> upgrade to 9.10 or 10.04
[04:55] <ridin> or 10.10 :b
[04:55] <rshakin> i meant 10.4 sorry
[04:56] <rshakin> 10.10 on my box is not running really well there are some serious bugs with drivers for this laptop esp when sound card comes in to play even tho this is very simple and standart setup
[04:57] <rshakin> but that could of been since i did a distro update
[05:09] <ridin> ah.
[11:33] <mataks> how to install graphic driver  i have Intel Corporation 82852/855GM running in toshiba l10
[11:33] <TheSheep> xubuntu already comes with intel drivers
[11:33] <mataks> how to know that i have already the drivers?
[11:34] <mataks> i just did a fresh install on xubuntu
[11:34] <TheSheep> that's not what I wrote
[11:34] <Sysi> what doesn't work?
[11:34] <bazhang> should be there already
[11:35] <Sysi> no problem - no solution :)
[11:35] <bazhang> mataks, you dont install anything; simple
[11:35] <mataks> bazhang, why?
[11:35] <bazhang> mataks, TheSheep already told you
[11:35] <TheSheep> it's installed out of the box
[11:37] <mataks> ok, i have another problem, i can feel that xubuntu is not smooth, i can feel a slight lag.
[11:37] <bazhang> how much ram
[11:37] <mataks> only 256
[11:37] <bazhang> well there it is
[11:37] <mataks> any way to optimize?
[11:37] <TheSheep> add more and the problem will go away :)
[11:37] <bazhang> mataks, yes, get more
[11:39] <mataks> ok thanks :)
[11:40] <mataks> i have another question, what are the advantages and disadvantages between ubuntu and xubuntu?
[11:41] <Sysi> ubuntu uses more memory, in xubuntu you can't drag items from menu to panel
[11:41] <bazhang> none
[11:42] <mataks> oh, that's why i can't drag google chrome to panel no matter what i do. hehe thanks :)
[12:14] <Walt> I just started using xubuntu, and would like to have xmonad as my wm. Does anyone know any good resource on this? I have googled for quite a while but am not finding anything concrete
[12:14] <Sysi> install it and: xmonad --replace
[12:15] <bazhang> http://tombuntu.com/index.php/2009/03/17/introduction-to-the-xmonad-tiling-window-manager/ Walt
[12:15] <Walt> bazhang, thank you
[12:16] <bazhang> np
[12:17] <Walt> another small thing. When I press alt-f2 and enter xterm, I get the default settings. what is the command to open an instance the same way as when opening from the applications menu?
[12:18] <moetunes> I think that is called xfce4-terminal
[12:19] <Walt> moetunes, thans, that was it
[12:19] <moetunes> np
[12:19] <Walt> moetunes, where could I have gone about finding that out?
[12:20] <moetunes> right click the menu entry for it iirc
[12:20] <Walt> moetunes, that opens it for me. Is there some configuration for the xfce menus?
[12:21] <moetunes> Walt:  not that I know of - a right click opens it?
[12:22] <Walt> yeah, right clicking any menu entry opens it for me
[12:22] <moetunes> ok
[12:23] <moetunes> Walt:  look in the desktop files in /etc/applications I think - for the menu entries
[12:24] <Walt> thanks
[12:33] <lampslave> Hello. Can you tell me, why group admin can enable/disable sudo, but can't do it for su?
[12:33] <Sysi> su is for using root
[12:34] <Sysi> there's no passwd for root user by default in *buntu
[12:36] <lampslave> for example. i have 3 users: disabled root, admin and guest. guest connect with ssh, root and admin can't do it. guest can't use sudo, but can use su for bruteforce admin's password
[12:36] <lampslave> why?
[12:38] <lampslave> if admin has password like "123" guest can take root's rights
[12:38] <Sysi> su always requires root's passwd?
[12:39] <Sysi> all, extecially sudo users/root should have strong passwd
[12:40] <lampslave> but why i can't disable su too?
[12:41] <lampslave> the same way
[12:41] <Sysi> i think you should be able to
[12:41] <Sysi> but shouldn't have need to
[12:41] <lampslave> hm
[12:42] <lampslave> i think, group admin must disable all capabilities fot take root
[12:43] <lampslave> not only sudo
[13:01] <dee_h> How do I get compiz-fusion to work?
[13:01] <moetunes> !compiz
[13:01] <moetunes> install ccsm too
[13:02] <moetunes> !ccsm
[13:03] <dee_h> I have installed all the ccsm and fusion icon stuff but in xfce there is no compositing option like there is in gnome
[13:05] <moetunes> try in terminal   compiz --replace
[13:05] <kids> anybody here who can help out a n00b?
[13:07] <MrFido> I'm using a laptop and everything's fine except for the USB headset... no audio, nothing
[13:07] <MrFido> it's a Logitech
[13:07] <TheSheep> !headset
[13:07] <MrFido> there's audio in the speakers and in headphones with jack
[13:08] <Sysi> install pavucontrol and try with it
[13:08] <MrFido> any help will be greatly appreciated
[13:08] <MrFido> in terminal?
[13:08] <MrFido> I'm a total n00b with linux, sorry
[13:12] <MrFido> installing now
[13:12] <MrFido> thanks..
[13:12] <MrFido> keeping fingers crossed
[13:13] <dee_h> window decorator is set to kde4
[13:14] <Sysi> you may need emerald
[13:14] <MrFido> are you talking to me?
[13:14] <MrFido> I have pavucontrol now but can't see where I'd be setting up the headset
[13:15] <Sysi> you should see it as soundcard
[13:15] <Sysi> what headset?
[13:16] <MrFido> USB logitech
[13:17] <MrFido> A-0009
[13:17] <MrFido> sitting in an airport and wanting to make calls with gmail
[13:17] <Walt> hi again, I have another stupid question. How do I add extra boot parameters? I need to add a workaround to make my touchpad not fails half of the time.
[13:17] <MrFido> :-S
[13:19] <MrFido> sorry I can't help Walt, I'm most likely the biggest n00b in this room
[13:21] <moetunes> !grub2 | Walt
[13:22] <MrFido> don't see any thing about sound cards in pavucontrol
[13:23] <MrFido> just output / input devices
[13:24] <moetunes> Walt:  you add to the line   GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=    in /etc/default/grub
[13:24] <Walt> moetunes, yeah, thanks. I just managed to googled my way to it
[13:24] <moetunes> heh :)
[13:29] <MrFido> hmm I might be onn to something
[13:30] <Walt> moetunes, eh. This has become very complicated it seems. I used to know how to edit grubbefore. Now I have no idea how to just append some options to the default boot
[13:30] <Walt> should I edit /etc/grub.d/10_linux?
[13:31] <Walt> ah, no
[13:31] <Walt> there is a default file. cool
[13:32] <moetunes> Walt:  worked it out?
[13:33] <Walt> moetunes, I think so
[13:33] <moetunes> k
[13:33] <Walt> edited GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT
[13:34] <moetunes> then you run update-grub
[13:34] <Walt> ah, right, forgot about that
[13:34] <Walt> thanks
[13:35] <Walt> is this URL down for you guys? http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Xmonad/Using_xmonad_in_XFCE
[13:39] <moetunes> yep
[13:39] <Walt> :(
[13:40] <Walt> that's the only resource I have found on combining the DE of xfce with xmonad
[13:40] <Walt> and I don't know either well enough to start hacking away myself
[13:40] <Walt> or linux in general. been over 2 years since I last touched a distro
[14:04] <MrFido> I just had to install PulseAudio
[14:04] <MrFido> Thanks a lot for putting me on the right track
[14:04] <MrFido> all is well now
[15:35] <plainas> allright, so I installed deskbar applet on my xubuntu, how do I enable it? Google didn't help
[15:40] <plainas> oops, fat finger quit
[17:26] <toobuntu> hi there. Is it relatively simple to set up dual head/monitors for xubuntu?
[17:27] <toobuntu> I am debating whether to install xubuntu or ubuntu
[17:27] <charlie-tca> nope
[17:27] <toobuntu> charlie-tca, how so?
[17:27] <toobuntu> xfce-4 doesn't support it? why?
[17:27] <charlie-tca> It takes more effort than in Ubuntu
[17:28] <charlie-tca> You asked, it is not simple.
[17:28] <toobuntu> damn
[17:28] <toobuntu> I have quite a low spec laptop, and don't mind a more complicated set up actually
[17:28] <charlie-tca> It can be done, but you have will have to do some manual configuring, and maybe some google foo to get it all working
[17:29] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu makes everything very easy for new users. Xubuntu thinks the users that want it are a bit more experienced
[17:29] <toobuntu> does xfce-4 play nicely with xrandr?
[17:29] <charlie-tca> depends on the video card
[17:30] <toobuntu> well xrandr worked with my gentoo set up
[17:39] <ubuntu_> right, got it working :)
[17:39] <ubuntu_> (toobuntu here0
[17:39] <ubuntu_> who is for some reason still connected
[17:40] <toobuntu> mwhaha
[17:40] <toobuntu> xubuntu is so fast off of livecd
[17:40] <toobuntu> it should be faster native.. right?
[17:41] <toobuntu> meh.. I'm installing it now
[17:42] <charlie-tca> yup
[17:43] <toobuntu> I'm a bit fed up of the maintenance of gentoo -_-
[17:43] <toobuntu> and when I discovered how fast 10.10 was, decided to switch
[17:43] <charlie-tca> Welcome to Xubuntu!
[17:44] <toobuntu> all I really need is dual monitor working - and xrandr has proved it does
[17:44] <charlie-tca> bbl, gotta run now
[17:44] <toobuntu> the rest of my stuff is in .dotconfig files on github so it's easy to "move house"
[17:44] <toobuntu> ok
[18:21] <walt> is anyone using xmonad as wm? I have a mobile broadband modem that works with the network manager. I have no idea how to get this working under xmonad
[19:22] <ubuntu> hello
[19:24] <ubuntu> HELLO!?!?!?
[19:25] <charlie-tca> !hi
[19:25] <ubuntu> Thanks!
[19:25] <ubuntu> I am getting a Sparc based workstation soon
[19:26] <ubuntu> Is there still a Xubuntu for this architecture?
[19:26] <charlie-tca> no. sparc is not suooorted
[19:26] <charlie-tca> s/suooorted/supported
[19:27] <ubuntu> ok... thank you/yoo/u
[19:41] <ubuntu> !
[23:45] <Thermi> gn8