[00:02] <effie_jayx> hey all
[00:02] <effie_jayx> this documentation about NetbookPlasma seems a bit old... https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/NetbookPlasma
[00:03] <effie_jayx> it suggest filing bugs to launchpad... is that still acurate?
[00:39] <valorie> effie_jayx: packaging bugs are on launchpad
[00:39] <valorie> app bugs are on b.k.o
[00:39] <valorie> of course, the trick is knowing which is which
[00:59] <effie_jayx> valorie: i think it is not a packaging issue
[01:00] <effie_jayx> valorie: I would like to fix the wiki entry, I will read a bit on release nots and kubuntu-devel threads about netbook-plasma and document that better
[01:00] <effie_jayx> thanks 
[01:00] <effie_jayx> also file my bug against plasma-netbook
[01:05] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1196756 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (14 files in 5 dirs) (log message trimmed)
[01:05] <CIA-42> Port ApplicationView over to AbstractViewBase. We now have full navigability of
[01:05] <CIA-42> both subcategorized and normal subviews of the category view! The application
[01:09] <valorie> I ran into a bug with it, with my new netbook, but since it died, I don't think I can file a bug
[01:10] <valorie> maybe when it comes back from the repair shop
[01:10] <valorie> and thanks for your work on the wiki
[01:23] <effie_jayx> valorie: I have several bugs on my list, but I often lack people that can confirm them :S
[01:26] <valorie> well, you might mention plasma-netbook bug numbers here, and I'll see if I can confirm
[01:26] <valorie> right now, though, off to dinner
[01:28] <effie_jayx> thanks
[01:51] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1196759 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (12 files in 3 dirs) Navigation in top-level origin-filtered or status-filtered application list views is now possible. These aren't getting their icons passed to the breadcrumb, however. Will look in to that next
[01:55] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1196760 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ApplicationModel/ApplicationListView.cpp Fix the lack of an icon for top-level origin/status-filtered application list views.
[01:57] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1196761 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/CategoryView/CategoryViewWidget.cpp Give the breadcrumbs for categorized application views a title and icon.
[01:57]  * JontheEchidna does the "navigational model is complete" dance :D-/<
[02:02] <JontheEchidna> http://imgur.com/ZwFY5
[02:12] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1196762 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (3 files in 2 dirs) We don't want margins in here, because we place stacked widgets in these layouts that have widgets with layouts, which makes the margins really thick and weird
[03:45] <ScottK> effie_jayx: It is old.  plasma-netbook bugs should be filed the same as any other now.  It'd be nice if you could update that wiki page.
[05:32] <maco> apachelogger: remember you tried telling me my checkable button for showing/hiding advanced stuff violated hig?   http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Usability/HIG/Toggle_Buttons#First_option:_Describe_the_state_reached_when_the_button_is_down  disagrees
[08:26] <hrw|gone> bad news: kde4 with plasma-netbook is not usable on 512MB ram (no swap). I reverted from natty to maverick on efika smartbook and after boot to kde4 session nearly whole memory is taken
[09:49] <apachelogger> maco: I do not, but if you send me a screenie I will surely remember why :P
[10:59] <effie_jayx> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/NetbookPlasma  has been updated
[11:00] <effie_jayx> I have brought the document to speed with the times
[11:00] <effie_jayx> changed reporting bugs section
[11:00] <effie_jayx> references to Combined Desktop ISO
[11:01] <effie_jayx> some new external links
[11:01] <valorie> looks good
[11:01] <valorie> this sentence isn't finished, though: You can alternatively Select the Netbook Plasma workspace by heading to "System Preferences » Workspace » Workspace Type" and check 
[11:01] <valorie> that's where it ends
[11:01] <effie_jayx> ups
[11:02] <effie_jayx> changed
[11:04] <effie_jayx> I do not know if this is a bug , but Quicksand interface for krunner brings up every application to maximized state when it loads
[11:05] <effie_jayx> example I have desktop as active window (no apps are seen)
[11:05] <valorie> in the netbook interface?
[11:05] <effie_jayx> yes
[11:05] <valorie> that is the default
[11:06] <valorie> I didn't get to use it much so I don't know how to change that
[11:06] <valorie> great links, effie_jayx
[11:06] <effie_jayx> valorie: but you get what I mean??
[11:06] <effie_jayx> valorie:  thanks did some homework :)
[11:07] <valorie> no, I don't know what quicksand it
[11:07] <valorie> is
[11:07] <valorie> but I know that all windows are maximized in netbook
[11:08] <valorie> you have one small mis-spelling
[11:08] <valorie> if I fix it, my name will be on the page
[11:08] <valorie> lol
[11:08] <valorie> select "Netbook" or "Desktop" as you workspace type. 
[11:08] <valorie> should be "your workspace type"
[11:10] <effie_jayx> sure :)
[11:10] <effie_jayx> I have duffy fingers
[11:10] <effie_jayx> :S
[11:10] <effie_jayx> try this...
[11:11] <apachelogger> dantti: pingy ping, it would be much easier to implement auto-selection of suitable driver by name, if the add-printer thing would, like the pyth0rn thing, first ask for make and then for model on a seperate page
[11:12] <apachelogger> or that fishy column file browsing in dolphin would probably also be a more browsable method
[11:12] <effie_jayx> have some apps open and move to another workspace, hit alt+f2 and all apps are brought up again
[11:12] <valorie> effie_jayx: my netbook is in the shop
[11:12] <apachelogger> dantti: that way we can always select the make even if the model is not matched
[11:12] <apachelogger> narrowing down the amount of models to select from
[11:13] <apachelogger> effie_jayx: sounds like a bug in quicksand
[11:13] <effie_jayx> now this only happnes in plasma-netbook
[11:14] <apachelogger> effie_jayx: sounds like a bug in quicksand
[11:14] <effie_jayx> ok
[11:14]  * effie_jayx reports bug
[11:15]  * apachelogger finds quicksand rather useless anyway :P
[11:16] <valorie> I didn't have time to find out
[11:17] <apachelogger> oh dear
[11:17] <apachelogger> dantti: the code base needs a nice and cosy debug number thing :D
[11:30]  * apachelogger just got lost in qcups the third time
[11:33] <apachelogger> :O
[11:33] <apachelogger> oh dear
[11:33] <apachelogger> dantti: did you look at the logic behind the pyth0rn app that allows it to preselect that stuff?
[11:34] <apachelogger> this is so scary
[11:34] <apachelogger> ...
[11:34] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/531677/
[11:34] <effie_jayx> bug filed if any one can reproduce it I would a ppreciate a comment https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=256882
[11:35] <effie_jayx> also I do not want to feel like I'm the only soul using quicksand :(
[11:35] <effie_jayx> heh
[11:35] <apachelogger> effie_jayx: chances are there are between 1 and 3 other users :P
[11:36] <apachelogger>                        " multifuntion",     # There are HP PPDs with this typo
[11:36] <apachelogger> lmao
[11:38] <apachelogger> dantti: if you really want to implement such a monster, can it please be a QMap<QVector, QString> or something like that?
[11:38] <apachelogger> the ifs there make me feel sickish
[12:01] <effie_jayx> is ubuntu avilable for ARM yet?
[12:04] <effie_jayx> i ask because there is docs refering to Plasma Netbook availablity for ARM
[12:17] <apachelogger> effie_jayx: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-netbook/ports/releases/10.04/release/
[12:18] <apachelogger> or for maverick: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/ports/releases/10.10/release/
[12:18] <apachelogger> not sure how well it works though
[12:21] <apachelogger> dantti: http://paste.ubuntu.com/531703/ a couple of maps ;)
[12:33] <effie_jayx> thanks apachelogger 
[12:39]  * apachelogger hints http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2010/08/25/i18n-semantics-cheat-sheet/ to dantti
[12:41] <apachelogger> !find gdebi.mo
[12:42] <apachelogger> oh oh oh
[12:42]  * apachelogger remembers
[12:42] <apachelogger> anyone with magical translated system around?
[13:38] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1196939 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (7 files in 2 dirs) (log message trimmed)
[13:38] <CIA-42> Add an "AbstractViewContainer" class that acts as a base class for top-level
[13:38] <CIA-42> AbstractViewBase-containing views such as AvailableView and ApplicationListView.
[13:43] <dantti> apachelogger: hey
[13:44] <dantti> apachelogger: first about the ui, I really think the ui I wrote is easier to use, since you can do all you can in python witouth going back and forth
[13:44] <dantti> apachelogger: you just click on the down arrow and pick you make
[13:44] <dantti> and you can search on all the models which you can't in the py version
[13:44] <dantti> so I guess you found the piece of code that does have the magic
[13:45] <dantti> today I have other things to do, so probably on wednesday I'll look into these things
[13:47] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1196940 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (AbstractViewContainer.cpp AbstractViewContainer.h) Use a KVBox as the base class for AbstractViewContainer. It's basically what we were using with the QWidget + QVBoxLayout, and it manages the addition of widgets to the layout for us.
[13:51] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1196941 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/AbstractViewContainer.cpp SVN_SILENT: Spacing tweak
[13:52] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you clearly should be gitting ;)
[13:56] <JontheEchidna> ;)
[13:56] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1196944 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/Application.cpp Give out a default icon string in Application::icon() if the .desktop file lacks one.
[14:26] <apachelogger> ohhh
[14:26] <apachelogger> dantti: that make dropdown is super not obvious
[14:27] <apachelogger> that needs description text or some stuff
[14:28]  * apachelogger has a general confusion about that thing now
[14:28] <apachelogger> dantti: I do not think it is a good idea to combine make and model in that one drop down/search
[14:29] <apachelogger> the drown down offers makers but the search in context of the driver list permits search of driver names
[14:30] <apachelogger> putting both on one GUI element is really not the best of things WRT obvious user interface usage
[14:38] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1196951 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (4 files in 2 dirs) Add a "find in the menu" feature like in KPackageKit and the Ubuntu Software Center
[14:47] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1196953 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ApplicationDetailsView/ApplicationDetailsWidget.cpp Improve long desc. and screenshot thumbnail layout
[14:47] <dantti> apachelogger: the idea is that the user don't need to care about Make, just type in his model or something and it will be filtered
[14:47] <dantti> the make is uselles the driver is important
[14:47] <apachelogger> yeah, see, he types in the model :P
[14:48] <apachelogger> not the make
[14:48] <apachelogger> so why does the dropdown offer the make
[14:48] <dantti> just to offer a filter 
[14:48] <apachelogger> which is pointless because the user is supposed to search for the model anyway :P
[14:49] <dantti> like we already know it's HP printer then we select make, but as we can't find the model the list is shorter to him
[14:49] <apachelogger> if OTOH the user selected the make beforehand and then filtered from all drivers for the make...
[14:50] <dantti> a description like type in your search or click on the dropdown and select you manufaturer to find a best match
[14:51] <apachelogger> but you are messing with perception of make and model, so either the user clicks the drop down notices that the thingies in there are all manfucaturers and selects his and then thinks that the bar is there to filter a manfacturer, making him manually search for his printer
[14:52] <apachelogger> or he does not click the drop down and searches for his printer right away
[14:52] <apachelogger> in either case you are rendering part of the functionality unused because you are assigning two use cases to one GUI element
[14:52] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1196956 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ApplicationWindow.cpp Sync up the strings for the origins filtered by installation with the "all applications" origins
[14:53] <dantti> apachelogger: well then we can have an extra combo
[14:54] <apachelogger> I agree
[14:54] <dantti> i just don't want that go back and forth thing that the py ui has
[14:54] <apachelogger> [Manufacturer   v]
[14:54] <apachelogger> [Filter....                 ]
[14:55] <dantti> apachelogger: i think the ui should be more like 
[14:55] <dantti> [ Make v ]
[14:55] <dantti> [ list ]
[14:55] <dantti> [ filter ]
[14:56] <apachelogger> dantti: what does list contain?
[14:56] <dantti> the drivers
[14:56] <apachelogger> oh
[14:56] <apachelogger> that is not good
[14:56] <apachelogger> filters must be ontop of lists
[14:56] <apachelogger> see... kaddressbook, timezone config, ....
[15:00] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1196957 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/BreadcrumbWidget/ (BreadcrumbItem.cpp BreadcrumbWidget.cpp) A kludge for arrows in the Breadcrumb
[15:10] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1196959 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/BreadcrumbWidget/BreadcrumbItem.cpp Prevent the attack of the undead arrows
[15:12] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1196960 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/BreadcrumbWidget/BreadcrumbItem.cpp A more efficient way to decide whether or not to add an arrow to a breadcrumb item
[15:13] <CIA-42> [print-manager] sitter * 1196961 * trunk/playground/base/print-manager/add-printer/PageChoosePPD.ui s/qcombobox/kcombobox
[15:17] <apachelogger> dantti: I really cannot find any showstoppers for a proper release though? :S
[15:22] <CIA-42> [print-manager] sitter * 1196964 * trunk/playground/base/print-manager/add-printer/ (6 files) s/qurl/kurl
[15:22] <CIA-42> [print-manager] sitter * 1196965 * trunk/playground/base/print-manager/add-printer/AddPrinterAssistant.cpp debug--
[15:23] <dantti> apachelogger: welll the samba thing doesn't work for example
[15:24] <apachelogger> dantti: well, for a 0.1 release it surely is enough
[15:25]  * apachelogger builds krazy
[15:25] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: did you not want to package it?
[15:26] <JontheEchidna> I've not felt the urge, no
[15:28] <apachelogger> hm
[15:28] <apachelogger> but you mentioned it?
[15:28]  * apachelogger fears that his madness is making him imagine things now
[15:29] <CIA-42> [print-manager] sitter * 1196967 * trunk/playground/base/print-manager/add-printer/ChooseIpp.ui context for translators
[15:29] <JontheEchidna> I think that was somebody on #debian-qt-kde
[15:30] <apachelogger> hmmmm
[15:30] <CIA-42> [print-manager] sitter * 1196969 * trunk/playground/base/print-manager/add-printer/ChooseLpd.ui context for translators
[15:30] <apachelogger> I am not even lurking there
[15:30] <apachelogger> surely it must be the mandess
[15:30] <apachelogger> *madness
[15:31] <CIA-42> [print-manager] sitter * 1196970 * trunk/playground/base/print-manager/add-printer/ChoosePrinters.ui context for translators
[15:34] <CIA-42> [print-manager] sitter * 1196971 * trunk/playground/base/print-manager/add-printer/ChooseSamba.ui context for translators
[15:36] <CIA-42> [print-manager] sitter * 1196973 * trunk/playground/base/print-manager/add-printer/ChooseSerial.ui context for translators
[15:36] <JontheEchidna> I think bug 609247 might be a new record for MIR-wait
[15:37] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: take a stick and poke as hard as you can
[15:37] <CIA-42> [print-manager] sitter * 1196975 * trunk/playground/base/print-manager/add-printer/ChooseSocket.ui context for translators
[15:37] <JontheEchidna> It really shows just how flawed the system is
[15:38] <CIA-42> [print-manager] sitter * 1196976 * trunk/playground/base/print-manager/add-printer/ChooseUri.ui context for translators
[15:39] <CIA-42> [print-manager] sitter * 1196977 * trunk/playground/base/print-manager/add-printer/PageAddPrinter.ui context for translators
[15:40] <CIA-42> [print-manager] sitter * 1196978 * trunk/playground/base/print-manager/add-printer/PageChoosePPD.ui context for translators
[15:41] <CIA-42> [print-manager] sitter * 1196979 * trunk/playground/base/print-manager/add-printer/PageDestinations.ui mark dummy label as not translatable
[15:42] <CIA-42> [print-manager] sitter * 1196980 * trunk/playground/base/print-manager/add-printer/PageIntro.ui context for translators
[15:45] <CIA-42> [print-manager] sitter * 1196982 * trunk/playground/base/print-manager/printer-manager-kcm/PrinterDescription.ui context for translators
[15:46] <apachelogger> dantti: is libqcups going to be detatched from the print-manager src?
[15:46] <dantti> apachelogger: i don't see an use for it outside
[15:46] <apachelogger> steveire: since I did not yet have time to read your blog post on l10n magic in grantlee... did you make klocale Qtish or something like that?
[15:46] <apachelogger> dantti: why is it qtonly then :P
[15:47]  * apachelogger shall add context to ui files in qcups then
[15:47] <dantti> apachelogger: not need for kde thingsd there
[15:47] <dantti> ah right
[15:47] <dantti> np 
[15:48] <CIA-42> [print-manager] sitter * 1196984 * trunk/playground/base/print-manager/printer-manager-kcm/PrintKCM.ui context for translators
[15:48] <apachelogger> dantti: btw, because I just noticed, I am not sure having icons without labels for add, remove and configure
[15:48] <apachelogger> ultimately I suppose you should implement it as toolbar and follow the KDE setting for those
[15:48] <apachelogger> seele surely will not like icons only
[15:49] <dantti> apachelogger: well that was discussed with some oxygen devs and we liked it
[15:49] <dantti> and i'm not big fan of kde usability
[15:50] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: can we set the Neon home dirs via a xsession file? like... making sure that the right binaries are used
[15:50] <apachelogger> well.....
[15:50] <sheytan> apachelogger dantt: are you talking about the new printer stuff?
[15:50] <apachelogger> dantti: there is little use if the user does not know how to add a printer I suppose
[15:50] <dantti> sheytan: hey :D yes
[15:50] <shadeslayer> like kwin from /opt/project-neon is used not from /usr
[15:50] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: suppose so
[15:50] <dantti> apachelogger: the user won't know how to add a printer if he can read
[15:50] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: how? :P
[15:50] <sheytan> dantti: do not add text lables. As toolips i might agree but don't add text to icons :D
[15:51] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: magic
[15:51] <shadeslayer> because thats all we have to do to get Project neon going imo
[15:51] <dantti> apachelogger: there is a label Click on the plus sign to add a printer
[15:51] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yes, thats needed as well :P
[15:51] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~neon/project-neon/meta-project-neon/annotate/head:/usr/share/xsessions/project-neon.desktop
[15:51] <apachelogger> dantti: and if there already is a printer...?
[15:51] <apachelogger> because I have one there and there is no label
[15:51] <dantti> then he already knows
[15:51] <apachelogger> what is worse, the plus icon thingy has no hover info thingy
[15:51] <apachelogger> dantti: no
[15:51] <apachelogger> my system automagically added the printer
[15:52] <apachelogger> (no idea how)
[15:52] <dantti> well a tooltip sure will be nice
[15:52] <apachelogger> so I currently as user have no idea how to add a new printer
[15:52] <dantti> apachelogger: printer applet must have added it
[15:52] <apachelogger> and am at the mercy of my system to add another printer also automagically ^^
[15:53] <dantti> well if you look at mac os ui they don't have text next to the + and - and users know how to do that..
[15:53] <CIA-42> [print-manager] sitter * 1196985 * trunk/playground/base/print-manager/printer-manager-kcm/PrintKCM.ui context for translators, also remove secondary pointless spacer
[15:53] <apachelogger> dantti: this is not about right or wrong
[15:53] <apachelogger> this is about having a consistent setup
[15:54] <apachelogger> hence I recommended having it as a ktoolbar
[15:54] <apachelogger> in which case the consistency comes naturally
[15:54] <apachelogger> and if a distro or user feels like not having text next to icons they can have that
[15:54] <sheytan> apachelogger well, what a + or - button can mean in a printer manager app other then 'add new' or 'remove' ? :D
[15:55] <apachelogger> sheytan: <apachelogger> dantti: this is not about right or wrong
 this is about having a consistent setup
[15:56] <sheytan> apachelogger but in this case icons without text look much better making the ui cleaner :)
[15:56] <dantti> i think consistent setups makes ui don't evolute
[15:56] <apachelogger> sheytan: that is not the point
[15:56] <sheytan> dantti is right
[15:56] <sheytan> there are things in kde usability i would change.
[15:57] <dantti> which is why i don't think we must have a way to do it
[15:57]  * apachelogger feels not listened to
[15:57] <dantti> I think if it''s completely not obvious then there isn't good usability
[15:57] <dantti> which is why I like Think Different (tm) :P
[15:57] <sheytan> apachelogger but what's good in making an app less usable or clutter the ui only to have consistent look with the rest?
[15:58] <CIA-42> [print-manager] sitter * 1196988 * trunk/playground/base/print-manager/printer-manager-kcm/SystemPreferences.ui context for translators
[15:58] <sheytan> in this case, the rest of KDE apps should follow us ]:->
[15:58]  * sheytan is evil
[15:58] <apachelogger> omg
[15:58] <apachelogger> srsly
[15:58]  * apachelogger goes grumpy
[15:58] <dantti> apachelogger: have you seem the printer queue?
[15:59] <dantti> you will say the same
[15:59] <apachelogger> kmenu -> system settings -> app appearnace -> style -> fine tuning -> main toolbar text: no text
[15:59] <dantti> thruth is that we need to reinvent ourselfs
[15:59] <apachelogger> that is your KDE apps should follow us
[15:59] <apachelogger> because you are not obeying the setting
[16:00] <dantti> apachelogger: no, because I don't think my other apps should be like this
[16:00] <apachelogger> which is next to no programming effort
[16:00] <apachelogger> but gives user the option to add text
[16:00] <dantti> this isn't a tool bar
[16:00] <dantti> this is a like where you add/rm/configure
[16:00] <apachelogger> and if a half blind user wants to have text for the sake of usign the freaking desktop and they shall have flipping text labels next to icons
[16:00] <dantti> like a new widget
 dantti: this is not about right or wrong
 this is about having a consistent setup
 hence I recommended having it as a ktoolbar
[16:01] <dantti> apachelogger: right and then you call good usability kmix channel selector? a default kde widget
[16:01] <dantti> which sucks hard even for I that can see
[16:01] <apachelogger> what sort of argument is that?
[16:01] <apachelogger> kuser has crappy ui, lets all make crappy uis
[16:01] <apachelogger> hooray
[16:01] <dantti> well there you don't have text either
[16:01] <apachelogger> \o/
[16:02] <dantti> and even worst you have to drag and drop
[16:05] <sheytan> apachelogger dantti: add text as tooltips, and we're good ;)
[16:42] <CIA-42> [print-manager] sitter * 1197009 * trunk/playground/base/print-manager/printer-manager-kcm/ (PrintKCM.cpp PrintKCM.h PrintKCM.ui) multiple qtoolbuttons in horizontal alignment == qtoolbar
[16:47] <CIA-42> [print-manager] sitter * 1197012 * trunk/playground/base/print-manager/add-printer/AddPrinterAssistant.cpp context for translators
[16:51] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i think Neon is nearly done
[16:51] <shadeslayer> we now have a xsession entry as well
[16:51] <CIA-42> [print-manager] sitter * 1197013 * trunk/playground/base/print-manager/add-printer/ (11 files) context for translators
[16:51] <shadeslayer> we just need to export vars and stuff
[16:52] <CIA-42> [print-manager] sitter * 1197021 * trunk/playground/base/print-manager/printer-manager-kcm/PrintKCM.cpp make strings translatable
[16:53] <yofel> make that: nearly something that's actually usable, the packaging todo has enough left to do :/
[16:56] <CIA-42> [print-manager] sitter * 1197024 * trunk/playground/base/print-manager/add-printer/ (ChooseSerial.cpp DevicesModel.cpp) guess what... more context for translators
[16:59] <apachelogger> dantti: add-printer all i18nc'd it seems
[16:59] <apachelogger> well, except for commented out stuff and pino does not like me fixing things, so...
[17:05] <shadeslayer> oh boy oh boy..... Nov 18 is beta 1 tag.... KDE 4.6 Beta 1 packaging is coming! \o/
[17:30] <dantti> apachelogger: thanks
[18:11] <ScottK> apachelogger: I am thwarted.  Bug #675240
[18:18] <maco> anyone need a blue narwhal laptop decal? http://www.etsy.com/listing/61786553/friendly-narwhal-laptop-decal  :P i wonder if "narwhal" is getting tagged "geekery" on etsy for *buntu reasons...
[18:20] <hrw|gone> cr
[18:21] <ScottK> hrw|gone: Be careful not to upgrade to the latest Natty gcc-4.5 if you want to keep building packages with implicit-it=thumb.
[18:23] <apachelogger> <3 gcc
[18:25] <ScottK> or something.
[18:26]  * ScottK considers "Qt/KDE default compiler for Natty is gcc-4.4" as an option.
[19:59] <hrw|gone> ScottK: already noticed that :(
[19:59] <apachelogger> madness
[20:00] <ScottK> hrw|gone: OK.  Just trying to warn you before it was too late.
[20:00] <hrw|gone> ScottK: anyway kde4 and 512MB ram = fail
[20:00] <ScottK> We need to work on that.
[20:00] <hrw|gone> desktop runs and 5MB free
[20:01] <ScottK> You'll find the plasma-netbook uses less ram than plasma-desktop, AIUI.
[20:01] <hrw|gone> this with plasma-netbook...
[20:02] <ScottK> OH.
[20:02] <ScottK> One of the things we plan to do this cycle is see about breaking out some of the packages so it's possible to run a lighter system with fewer services.
[20:03] <hrw|gone> I am considering xfce + kde apps
[20:03] <ScottK> That would still bring in ~all of kdelibs.
[20:04] <hrw|gone> and 1GB swap but on 22MB/s disk :(
[20:04] <hrw|gone> ScottK: but not plasma stuff
[20:04] <ScottK> True.
[20:04] <ScottK> Which disk is that?
[20:05] <hrw|gone> efika internal pata is slow. alternative is microsd or sd. pata is still fastest..
[20:06] <hrw|gone> arm hardware usually sucks when it comes to storage speed
[20:08] <hrw|gone> beagleboard has 5MB/s sd, panda has 17 with same card.
[20:08] <hrw|gone> chips which handle sata with good speed usually lack graphics
[20:10] <apachelogger> hm
[20:10] <apachelogger> two compiles with -j20
[20:10]  * apachelogger is going crazy
[20:13] <hrw|gone> ;D
[20:16] <ulysses> apachelogger: you're totally mad
[20:20] <CIA-42> [pbuilder-hooks] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20101114201943-gfwg5ov86mb538kv * D20icecc stop killing iceccd when starting a pbuilder, simplyfy code, comment out ccache support (for now), create a gcc tar to use by nodes, to ensure every machine uses the right GCC as the pbuilder
[20:21] <CIA-42> [pbuilder-hooks] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20101114202056-wb35qd0pqweauy98 * (B90kill C90kill) stop killing iceccd altogether
[20:24] <CIA-42> [pbuilder-hooks] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20101114202414-ra4qbq70utmsds09 * D20icecc add icecc to path if it is not already there
[20:29]  * hrw|gone upgrades armel to latest gcc
[20:29] <hrw|gone> will look at kdepimlibs problem
[20:31] <hrw|gone> will require few rebuilds of gcc probably
[20:37] <hrw|gone> bye
[21:14]  * bulldog98 is questioning weather Kubuntu is able to run on the n8
[21:30] <CIA-42> [pbuilder-hooks] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20101114213034-gc3871ws5aor5jtw * D20icecc fix native tarball creation && moving
[21:32] <apachelogger> bulldog98: most unlikely
[21:32] <apachelogger> rbelem will know for sure ^^
[21:38] <rbelem> bulldog98, i think that jaunty is suposed to work on it
[21:39] <rbelem> but needs lots of hacks
[21:39] <rbelem> and a working bootloader
[21:51] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: when is kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts going to be renamed?
[22:04] <CIA-42> [kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20101114220444-vtgzhpxpuvbct2y5 * (4 files in 3 dirs) Add uman - search Ubuntu Manuals/manpages
[22:05] <CIA-42> [pbuilder-hooks] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20101114220510-9t9h40xeanqo3x2o * D20icecc exporting in hooks will not work because pbuilder is parent and the env is only inherited by children... maybe /etc/environment would work? for now additionally requirements are necessary
[22:07] <CIA-42> [pbuilder-hooks] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20101114220719-x5pvk3gbm0jyr0at * D20icecc make comment more copyandpasteable
[22:17] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I subscribed kubuntu-bugs to bluedevil
[22:18] <apachelogger> afiestas: are you on top of the bug reports btw? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts/11.04ubuntu1
[22:19] <apachelogger> dantti: so, when are you releasing printer-manager 0.1? ^^
[22:20] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1197097 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ApplicationWindow.cpp Oops, meant to change the text in that situation, not change what we were checking for
[22:22] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1197099 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (6 files in 3 dirs) (log message trimmed)
[22:22] <CIA-42> -Split and/or filtering in to and filtering and or filtering. They really can't
[22:22] <CIA-42> be combined. -Implement package section filtering in the proxy model As a
[22:26] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1197104 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ApplicationModel/ApplicationProxyModel.cpp Implement "exclude by package name" filtering in the proxy model
[22:32] <apachelogger> rbelem: do you think kubuntu-mobile for n900 by 11.04 is a sensible target?
[22:32] <ScottK> JontheEchidna and apachelogger: Canonical is doing some work on improving multi-monitor experience for Gnome and RAOF said he'd be happy to mentor someone to do similar improvements for KDE.  Any idea who might do this (I know this is stuff that upstream (at least generally) wants)?
[22:32] <rbelem> apachelogger, yup :-)
[22:32] <ScottK> apachelogger: I think it's an excellent target.
[22:33] <apachelogger> okidoki
[22:33] <ScottK> If it's not, I want my n900 back that I just mailed to the guy that's going to do the kernel work.
[22:33] <apachelogger> ScottK: afiestas wanted to look into display config IIRC
[22:33] <ScottK> Oooh.
[22:33] <rbelem> apachelogger, with linaro kernel it will work fine :-)
[22:33] <ScottK> rbelem: linaro kernel plus the stuff mpoirier is going to do.
[22:33] <rbelem> :-)
[22:34] <ScottK> afiestas: If you're interested in display config stuff have I got a proposition for you ....
[22:34] <ScottK> Please ping me when you're around.
[22:34] <rbelem> And some improvements on our userland side
[22:35] <apachelogger> well, I just announced to the intartubes, so you better make that work :P
[22:36] <rbelem> hahahahah :-D
[22:36] <apachelogger> Nightrose: can you please get someone to send me a n900 or similar device thingy?
[22:36] <apachelogger> since you are close to the source right now...
[22:36] <afiestas> ScottK: :o?
[22:37] <apachelogger> rbelem: no laughing matter that is :P ... http://identi.ca/notice/58615786
[22:39] <rbelem> apachelogger, we will work hard ;-)
[22:40] <rbelem> we will not disappoint our users :-)
[22:41] <apachelogger> yeah, that just made his day, so you better dont :P
[22:41] <rbelem> :-D
[22:41] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1197113 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ApplicationModel/ApplicationProxyModel.cpp Implement package name wildcard filtering in the proxy model
[22:41] <dantti> apachelogger: dunno, I want the basic stuff working first
[22:41] <apachelogger> dantti: really, the basic stuff is working 
[22:41] <dantti> the add printer has many unfinished things
[22:42] <apachelogger> dantti: so call it 0.1 beta1?
[22:42] <apachelogger> basic stuff IMHO == add local printer && print queue displaying stuff properly
[22:43] <apachelogger> dantti: you never know, maybe someone feels like contributing
[22:43] <apachelogger> meaning less work for you :D
[22:43] <dantti> apachelogger: well I've blogged a lot about it
[22:45] <apachelogger> blogging can only communicate so much awesomenss :)
[22:45] <dantti> well out of time also
[22:45] <dantti> debconf stuff is still in kde review
[22:46] <dantti> too many things todo
[22:52] <apachelogger> I see
[22:57] <ScottK> afiestas: Canonical is investing engineering effort into "improving the multi-monitor experience" in this Ubuntu development cycle.
[22:58] <ScottK> afiestas: As is not unheard of, they are doing it for Gnome, but not KDE.
[22:58] <ScottK> If we could get some KDE person to work with them, we could have something which we'd try out as a distro patch this cycle that would go upstream KDE in 4.7.
[22:59] <ScottK> afiestas: Since I know this is an area that KDE really needs work in, you were just blogging about looking for something useful to do, and from your bluetooth work, I know you can handle things that aren't simple, it might be a good project for you.
[23:00] <dantti> ScottK: I have a friend the could maybe help on this too, but he knows only few Qt, he works with java
[23:01] <apachelogger> surely we could find a mentor, or two ;)
[23:01] <ScottK> Yeah.
[23:01] <ScottK> RAOF will mentor on the X stuff.
[23:03] <rbelem> apachelogger, which bzr repos is the best to clone and apply ksambashare patches? https://code.launchpad.net/kdelibs
[23:04] <rbelem> kubuntu-members or vcs-imports?
[23:05] <apachelogger> vcs-imports
[23:05] <apachelogger> kubuntu-members only contains our packaging
[23:06] <rbelem> apachelogger, is vcs-imports used by project neon?
[23:06] <apachelogger> I suppose so
[23:07] <apachelogger> yep
[23:07] <apachelogger> https://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/kdelibs/kde4/+recipes
[23:08] <rbelem> apachelogger, are there kde trunk pkgs?
[23:09] <apachelogger> well, yes, technically, not sure how well they work
[23:09] <rbelem> nice :-D
[23:09] <apachelogger> shadeslayer indicated that there are still runtime issues
[23:13] <rbelem> apachelogger, those packages have weird names. how them work?
[23:13] <apachelogger> rbelem: which ones? where?
[23:13] <rbelem> apachelogger, the neon packages
[23:14] <apachelogger> how do they have weird names?
[23:14] <rbelem> apachelogger, project-neon-qt_1.0+2295-22~maverick1_i386.deb (54.6 MiB)
[23:15] <ScottK> That's because they install in /opt so they need different names than regular system packages.
[23:15] <rbelem> hum...
[23:16] <rbelem> that's pretty cool!
[23:16] <rbelem> i can use them without mess with my current installation
[23:19] <apachelogger> rbelem: that is the whole idea :D
[23:20] <yofel> rbelem: join us in #project-neon if you're interested, we're still not finished as you can see from the package list
[23:21] <yofel> you *can* log in though, even it's just basic plasma desktop with errors currently :/
[23:21] <ScottK> yofel: I'm working on building your branches on arm to see if they build.
[23:22] <yofel> that's certainly interesting, let's hope for the best ^^
[23:23] <apachelogger> *omnomnom* ice cream
[23:26] <rbelem> thx yofel 
[23:26] <rbelem> i will try to help :-)