[12:25] <tourach> hey everyone
[12:26] <tourach> does anyone know the URL for the paste-image website?
[13:45] <coz_> good day all
[14:39] <coz_> anyone have an opinion about this image?  http://dl.dropbox.com/u/132551/ubuntu-ripples1.png
[16:25] <zniavre_> good evening
[16:25] <zniavre_> with metacity if i want rounded corner, can i set the level of roundness ?
[16:28] <zniavre_> eg: if i set rounded corner to true it look as roundness =8 with murrine engine , i would want to set something close to roundness = 4
[19:15] <thorwil> hi troy_s. your http://troy-sobotka.blogspot.com/2010/01/specs-and-contests-we-all-lose.html spared me a lot of typing and some people in the libreoffice project agree. however, a contest for the logo is not off the table
[19:15] <troy_s> thorwil: Well that's too bad. I did a follow up as some seemed to mistake it for being a 'money money money' issue, which it isn't.
[19:15] <troy_s> thorwil: How are you by the way?
[19:17] <thorwil> troy_s: fine. might have a job as "product designer" for an open-source project in my hand soon. name to be disclosed if it works out ;)
[19:17] <thorwil> troy_s: and you?
[19:18] <troy_s> thorwil: Well that's good to hear. I fear that people really don't fundamentally grasp the problem with the whole contest thing. Sad really. I hope that with a little more folks speaking up that it makes more sense.
[19:19] <troy_s> thorwil: I've had a good number of folks email me on the points. It isn't how our culture has been run with regards to code and it isn't how it should be run with regards to art and design.
[19:20] <thorwil> troy_s: well, people see the results of contests and the appearance tends to be that it works. problem is that you don't see what could have been instead
[19:21] <troy_s> thorwil: Actually, that is a case of a culture that can't see.
[19:22] <troy_s> thorwil: I don't believe there exists a single worthy piece out of a contest.
[19:22] <troy_s> thorwil: And even if I am just blind, other folks that are way more talented and trained would likely harness the dice toss. They don't.
[19:25] <thorwil> meanwhile, i allowed the preliminary libreoffice logo to bother me enough to get into what is actually spec-work, too
[19:33] <thorwil> troy_s: i was at the uds in orlando. a session on "reinvigorating" the artwork team led to discussions on whether the team should be renamed from artwork to design, how that relates to the ayatana list ...
[19:34] <thorwil> troy_s: and on to the idea of some kind of design management website
[19:35] <thorwil> for tracking requests and ideas, doing work starting from briefs. managing assets
[19:39] <troy_s> thorwil: I don't know if the tools matter at all.
[19:41] <thorwil> troy_s: the idea is to have a tool that helps to nudge things into the desired direction
[19:41] <thorwil> one aspect of it could be though of as training wheels
[19:42] <troy_s> thorwil: Might work. Hard to say. I think as long as people actually think that contests and 'we pick the winner' works, it's nothing more than repeatedly oopsieing.
[19:42] <troy_s> thorwil: You have what appears to be some dedicated folks on the mailing list. I wonder if it is possible to lead by example.
[19:44] <troy_s> thorwil: Mocks and pencil drawings only work so far as the audience reading them. Maybe a pixel perfect presentation in animated form might be more compelling? I believe that sort of presentation tends to be more compelling for the minds that have the ability to craft it from code.
[19:44] <thorwil> troy_s: such a website would be about leading by example on grand scale
[19:44] <troy_s> thorwil: We don't need macro. We need micro. lol.
[19:44] <troy_s> thorwil: It is like making the case "What we really need is a mailing list where we can collaborate."
[19:45] <thorwil> troy_s: i have been thinking about comics and animations to present such concepts to the community. but it's quite a way to even get to the point where i would have enough to even create such a thing
[19:46] <troy_s> thorwil: Yes. Which is why I think micro might be the only solution. Form a micro design team.
[19:46] <troy_s> thorwil: The tools to communicate are all there and are in fact superior to the proprietary tools currently in use.
[19:47] <troy_s> thorwil: I'd love to see what the dedicated folks on the list (which it seems would be all that are left at this point) could create in a sort of skunkworks scenario.
[19:49] <troy_s> afk for a few.
[21:10] <troy_s> back.
[21:11] <thorwil> troy_s: heh, just when i'm about to leave :)
[21:12] <troy_s> thorwil: Next time I guess.
[21:13] <thorwil> troy_s: i'm playing with the concept of turning an origami swallow into a libreoffice logo
[21:13] <thorwil> http://www.foopics.com/showfull/5daf8a1cc703a9158615fbd68ace4c5b
[21:14] <thorwil> troy_s: got any quick thoughts on that?
[21:14] <troy_s> thorwil: Hold on... looking.
[21:14] <troy_s> thorwil: What's your thinking
[21:15] <thorwil> troy_s: office -> paper -> origami. origami: precision, elegance, sophistication
[21:16] <thorwil> troy_s: swallow: happens to be one of the more attractive origami models. swallows are masters in their element. swarm animals -> community
[21:17] <troy_s> thorwil: Well it will all suck if everyone is talking icons.
[21:17] <troy_s> thorwil: Certainly works as a splash photo or something
[21:18] <troy_s> thorwil: And really, if the folks in the 'design' thinktank think it is a good idea to use icons for anything in today's day and age I'd question their thinking on the whole.
[21:19] <troy_s> thorwil: As a photo for a splash, I'd think the origami could work pretty well.
[21:19] <thorwil> hmm, i guess an icon could still get swallow across, no origami
[21:20] <thorwil> troy_s: thanks, good night! :)