[00:40] <Cheri703> someone suggest a movie for me to watch
[00:42] <TheErk> Survival of the Dead
[00:42]  * Cheri703 is all zombied out
[00:43] <Unit193> Ironman 2?
[00:43] <Cheri703> that was pretty good, saw it in the dollar theater
[00:45] <Unit193> Godzilla?
[00:46] <Cheri703> the one with matthew broderick?
[00:46] <Unit193> Yes
[00:46] <Cheri703> :| meh
[00:47]  * Cheri703 is not trying to be rude, has just gone through several lists already and is bored
[00:48] <Unit193> It's fine! uhhh John Wayne?
[00:49] <Cheri703> hmm...I don't think I'm in the mood for a good guy movie...if that makes sense...the "here I come to save the day!" type of movie
[00:50] <Unit193> Have you seen the new "Red: Werewolf Hunter"?
[00:51] <Unit193> I have not
[00:51] <Cheri703> hmm...no
[00:54] <Unit193> 1:27 long...
[00:55]  * Cheri703 's preferred media acquisition site is giving an "overloaded, try again in a few minutes" message
[00:56] <canthus13> Pirate bay?
[00:57] <Cheri703> kickasstorrents.com maaaaaay be on the list
[00:57] <Cheri703> but of course not for illegal things, only for acquiring legal things...
[00:57] <Cheri703> >.>
[00:58] <Cheri703> <.<
[00:58] <canthus13> Of course. :P
[00:58] <canthus13> speaking of media acquisition... I really need to learn how to use rsync to sync my laptop to my media server.
[00:59] <Cheri703> it's kind of funny, I just noticed tonight that it has a "latest searches" thing down the side...there are some...unique searches that come up
[00:59] <Cheri703> hmm...I vaguely recall hearing about rsync...
[00:59] <canthus13> It syncs 2 folders on different machines.
[00:59] <Cheri703> ah, nice
[00:59] <Cheri703> so...like ubuntu one, but working, eh?
[01:00] <canthus13> Sort of.  It'll look at my music folder on my laptop, and copy anything different to my media server.
[01:01] <canthus13> Basically, it'll take the folder on the media server and make it match the one on my laptop.
[01:01] <canthus13> At least, that's what I wanna use it to do. I just need to actually learn how to do it. :)
[01:02] <Cheri703> that'd be handy
[01:02] <Cheri703> I just keep everything on the desktop/media server/various other functions and pull as needed
[01:02] <Cheri703> there's a CRAPLOAD of media on it...
[01:03] <canthus13> Everyone in the house has access to the music collection, but I take my laptop on trips, use it to broadcast music via FM transmitter to the car stereo.
[01:03] <Cheri703> ah, gotcha
[01:03] <Cheri703> do you have an android phone?
[01:03] <canthus13> nope
[01:04] <Cheri703> k, nvm
[01:05] <Cheri703> doesn't your battery die in the car? or do you have an inverter?
[01:06] <Cheri703> someone in ubuntu-beginners just recommended rsync as a good backup program
[01:14] <Unit193> Going to try Red?
[01:15] <Cheri703> yeah
[01:15] <Unit193> Tell me if it's good?
[01:15] <Cheri703> will do
[01:15] <Cheri703> :)
[01:18] <canthus13> Oh. yeah. I use an inverter.
[01:18]  * canthus13 has a 150 watt, 3 plug inverter for laptops and cell chargers.
[01:18] <Cheri703> oooo, nice
[01:19]  * Cheri703 is jealous
[01:19] <canthus13> it was about 30 bucks at Love's truck stop.
[01:19] <Cheri703> though I just got a 1 watt for my cell, it's doing a MUCH better job. I think the previous one was actually making it LOSE battery...it was horrible
[01:19] <Cheri703> I just got a new bluetooth headset that is WONDERFUL. I'm on the road a LOT
[01:20] <canthus13> Wife had a nice little pendant-style bluetooth headset... Lost it, tho. :(
[01:21] <Cheri703> :(
[01:21] <Cheri703> mine is a big honkin' trucker headset...it's awesome, has really good noise canceling and gets loud enough to hear over the road noise in my truck
[01:21] <canthus13> Nice...
[01:22] <Cheri703> I really like it, and I got it refurb on amazon for $41 with shipping
[01:22] <Cheri703> and I get like a week worth of battery out of it
[01:22] <Cheri703> AND you can use it while it's plugged in, which is awesome
[04:53]  * Cheri703 needs another movie to watch
[04:55] <canthus13> The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo.
[04:56] <Cheri703> I've vaguely heard of that
[04:56] <canthus13> It's in swedish, but if you can deal with subs, it's a great movie.
[04:56] <canthus13> All three movies in the trilogy are good, actually.
[04:56] <Cheri703> yeah, maybe not tonight, but I generally watch tv with captioning on when possible
[04:56] <Cheri703> force of habit, grew up with a brother with severe hearing loss
[04:57] <Cheri703> I'll watch it soon though :) just tonight foreign + subtitles not so great
[04:57] <canthus13> They're supposed to be remaking them in English.. Dunno if I'll like it after seeing the originals, tho.
[04:57] <Cheri703> yeah, I hate that
[04:57] <canthus13> They're already the movie versions of a book trilogy...
[04:58] <canthus13> If you like anime, Ghost In the Shell is good.
[04:59] <canthus13> Goonies... A Clockwork Orange.... Pump Up the Volume....
[05:00] <canthus13> Blood and Chocolate... Boondock Saints....
[05:01] <canthus13> Cast A Deadly Spell....
[05:03] <Cheri703> hmmm
[05:03] <canthus13> Cast a Deadly Spell may be a bit hard to find.
[05:04]  * canthus13 has only managed to find a very poor quality VHS rip of it. :(
[05:04] <Cheri703> :(
[05:04] <canthus13> It's still a fun movie, though... Sort of a Cthulu meets classic detective novel mashup.
[05:05] <Cheri703> hmm...sounds...odd
[05:05] <canthus13> It's funny.
[05:06] <canthus13> Blood and Chocolate is great for a low budget film...
[05:07] <Cheri703> I'll check them out :) in a minute, going to make some cinnamon swirl toast to munch on
[19:09] <dmcglone> Hi everyone
[19:09] <Unit193> Hey dmcglone
[19:10] <dmcglone> anybody here use dual monitors?
[19:10] <Unit193> anybody here?
[19:11] <dmcglone> I got me an extra flat screen monitor and was wondering if I plugged it up what kind of benefit it would serve me
[19:11] <Cheri703> on occasion
[19:11] <dmcglone> also, I went to the buckeyes game yesterday. It was awesome
[19:12] <Cheri703> also, if it is in need of a new home, I'd be happy to adopt it ;)
[19:12] <dmcglone> LOL Cheri703
[19:13] <dmcglone> I'm thinking about hooking it up and use one screen for development and one for desktop stuff
[19:13] <Cheri703> that works
[19:16] <dmcglone> I'm uploading the pre game show to my facebook
[19:22] <_bbb> mount it vertically and read comics
[19:26] <dmcglone> all that just to read comics?
[19:26] <dmcglone> lol
[19:28] <dmcglone> well the pre game show is too large for facebook
[19:28] <Cheri703> I'm looking into a swivel wall mount, so I can put mine vertical when needed
[19:29] <_bbb> interesting
[19:31] <Cheri703> amazon has some for reasonable prices
[19:31] <dmcglone> I'm kinda bummed shotwell doesn't do videos
[19:31] <dmcglone> neither does F-Spot
[19:32] <Cheri703> also, dmcglone (or anyone else using 2 monitors) check out this thread: http://art.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1052784
[19:32] <dmcglone> I have to manually remove the  SD card and put it in my computer to get the videos. defeats the purpose of having a cradle for the camera
[19:32] <Cheri703> there's a script called chprimon
[19:32] <Cheri703> it changes primary monitor (moves taskbars and such over)
[19:32] <Cheri703> very handy and quick
[19:35] <dmcglone> when having dual monitors do you have to have 1 graphics card?
[19:35] <dmcglone> I have 2 separate graphics cards
[19:35] <dmcglone> one if for DMI and one is only VGA
[19:36] <Cheri703> uhm, I dunno, I only do it from my netbook
[19:36] <Cheri703> not true
[19:36] <Cheri703> I have a video card in my desktop with multiple outputs and I can put 2 monitors on that
[19:36]  * Cheri703 forgot
[19:36] <dmcglone> I see. mine are seperate
[19:36] <Cheri703> I think just play with it til you get it to work...
[19:37] <Cheri703> that's generally my method
[22:30] <dmcglone> paultag: you here?
[22:30] <dmcglone> got a question for ya
[22:34] <dmcglone> what is everyone using for their digital photo import program?
[22:34] <dmcglone> I like shotwell but it will not import videos yet, neither does f-spot
[22:52] <paultag> dmcglone, sir yessir
[22:52] <paultag> dmcglone, what can I do for you?
[22:59] <dmcglone> Was wondering if it was possible to have 2 versions of a config file. say for instance, shotwell and digikam use libgphoto2, but shotwell will not import movies, but digikam will, so I switched to digikam and for some odd reason I had to make a hacked version of libgphoto2 for digikam to reconize my camera. Unfortunately this hack renders shotwell and f-spot useless.
[23:01] <dmcglone> shotwell is supposed to get support for movies in December
[23:03] <paultag> hummmm
[23:03] <dmcglone> I'm asking you, because you seem to be a Ubuntu god ;-)
[23:03] <paultag> dmcglone, yes, you can, but it can get nasty. What did you have to do to make the new libgphoto?
[23:04] <paultag> dmcglone, did you recompile and install it?
[23:04] <dmcglone> I had to rewrite the USB rule
[23:04] <paultag> dmcglone, the HAL stuff?
[23:05] <dmcglone> it was basically a 1 liner, but I'm afraid I'll forget how I did it in the future and get stuck between a rock and a hard place
[23:05] <dmcglone> let me show ya
[23:05] <paultag> roger doger
[23:05] <paultag> dmcglone, either you can hack up some new files and hotswap it, or if you had to re-compile the libgphoto, you can use an ldpreload hack
[23:06] <paultag> dmcglone, and then swap out the binary with a shell script that hits the binary with an LDPRELOAD on the .real
[23:06] <paultag> I did that once for Firefox because it would call sync() over and fucking over
[23:06] <dmcglone> I changed this line: SUBSYSTEM!="usb", GOTO="libgphoto2_rules_end" to this:
[23:06] <dmcglone> SUBSYSTEM!="usb_device*", GOTO="libgphoto2_rules_end"
[23:06] <paultag> dmcglone, in what file, if I might ask
[23:07] <dmcglone> and I added this: SYSFS{idVendor}=="040a", SYSFS{idProduct}=="0581", MODE="0660", GROUP="plugdev"
[23:07] <paultag> that looks like a rules
[23:07] <paultag> in /etc/rules.d or something?
[23:07] <paultag> in udev *
[23:07] <dmcglone> 40-libgphoto2-2.rules
[23:07] <paultag> /etc/udev/rules.d
[23:07] <paultag> ahha
[23:07] <dmcglone> yes
[23:08] <paultag> dmcglone, can you paste /etc/udev/rules.d/40-libgphoto2-2.rules   for me?
[23:08] <paultag> dmcglone, just the whole file so I'm not screwing you up here :)
[23:08] <dmcglone> paste bin? or here? it's pretty big file
[23:08] <paultag> dmcglone, pastebin, never paste more then 2 lines on IRC ( good instinct :) )
[23:09] <dmcglone> ok hang tight
[23:09] <paultag> roger doger
[23:11] <dmcglone> check this out: http://pastebin.com/NqQBtBwR
[23:11] <paultag> hummmmm
[23:13] <dmcglone> I was thinking that maybe I could force digikam or shotwell to use a different file, but I may have to alter the source of the programs instead
[23:13] <paultag> dmcglone, and what *exactly* do you want it to do? Sorry to be overly verbose, but I'd hate to screw up something that still works because I'm not clear :)
[23:13] <paultag> dmcglone, You've not had to edit source so far :)
[23:14] <paultag> those are conf files, and those are awesome to tweet
[23:14] <paultag> tweek *
[23:14] <paultag> damn my muscle memory!
[23:14] <dmcglone> I've only changed the gphoto2-2.rules file
[23:14] <paultag> dmcglone, yessir
[23:15] <dmcglone> I was hoping I could keep an original and make shotwell use that one and then make digikam use a different one with my hacks. I'm wondering if it would be possible
[23:15] <paultag> dmcglone, for the same usb id?
[23:16] <paultag> dmcglone, I just don't totally get what you're trying to do just yet, I'm a bit slow today, sorry! :)
[23:16] <dmcglone> it'll probably have to be
[23:17] <dmcglone> I don't think it's you, I think I'm not explaining clearly
[23:17] <dmcglone> let me try this
[23:17] <paultag> dmcglone, it's OK, let's just get it solved :)
[23:18] <dmcglone> Ok with my hacks in place, shotwell will not detect my camera
[23:18] <dmcglone> but digikam will
[23:18] <paultag> Ahh, ahha!
[23:19] <dmcglone> I was wondering if I could force one or the other to use a seperate udev file
[23:19] <paultag> Ahha :)
[23:19] <dmcglone> that way, shotwell will read 1 and digikam will read the other and both will work correctly
[23:20] <paultag> dmcglone, OK, well here's what's going to be tough with that. When you plug something in, udev ( a daemon ) will read it's rules files and check to see if that USB device is "claimed" by anything. Most of the time a rules file will tell udev what module to use for the USB device. In the old rules file, the device was using a different module then it's using now
[23:20] <paultag> dmcglone, the issue here is that because it's HAL using a module, it's not per-application
[23:20] <dmcglone> Ah I see
[23:21] <dmcglone> makes a lot of sense
[23:21] <paultag> dmcglone, what you can do is file a bug report about it to make sure the application will look up ( and implement ) the module you're using now :)
[23:22] <dmcglone> ok hang on got a question
[23:22] <paultag> yessir
[23:23] <dmcglone> this isn't the module is it? SUBSYSTEM!="usb_device*", GOTO="libgphoto2_rules_end"
[23:23] <paultag> dmcglone, no, if you look at the bottom of that file, there's a line that labels the bottom as "libgphoto2_rules_end"
[23:23] <paultag> dmcglone, so when it sees a usb_device*, it skips loading fancy modules
[23:23] <dmcglone> right
[23:24] <paultag> dmcglone, so it will treat it as a mass-storage device
[23:24] <paultag> if I understand what's going on, that is
[23:24] <dmcglone> thats sounds like how it's behaving, so you've got to be spot on with that
[23:24] <paultag> good :)
[23:26] <dmcglone> Ok so, why would shotwell and digikam behave this way, I mean if f-spot and shotwell work correctly with the original, why doesn't digikam?
[23:26] <dmcglone> weird behavior isn't it?
[23:27] <paultag> it sure is
[23:28] <paultag> dmcglone, but if libgphoto acts as a buffer between it ( providing a facade over the MS-Mode ), then you might see this ( if digikam uses libgphoto and not fallback implementations )
[23:28] <dmcglone> What baffles me is since HAL is using a module, every app should work with these udev rules
[23:29] <paultag> dmcglone, for instance if you do a libgphoto call for device 0's photos, it will do that regardless of the underlying device, whereas something else would search for it
[23:29] <paultag> dmcglone, it depends on implementation
[23:29] <paultag> dmcglone, regardless this is a shittyism, and should be reported :)
[23:29] <dmcglone> Ok
[23:30] <paultag> dmcglone, you're not doing anything wrong, this is the software author's fault
[23:30] <paultag> dmcglone, in fact, there's little you can do to fix it, if it's as inflexible as it looks
[23:31] <dmcglone> I'm going to file a bug report after I eat dinner. I guess since shotwell can't import my video files, I'll just stick with my hacked version of libgphoto until shotwell supports it in dec.
[23:31] <paultag> dmcglone, awesome. Send me the bug number, I'll triage it for you.
[23:31] <paultag> dmcglone, sorry to hear it sucks so much :(
[23:32] <dmcglone> It's ok, I Like shotwell very well, just can't import my videos
[23:32] <paultag> aye
[23:32] <dmcglone> and I went to the OSU game yesterday and got a bunch of video and couldn't import them
[23:32] <paultag> oh no :(
[23:32] <dmcglone> I managed to import them with digikam though
[23:33] <paultag> great to hear
[23:33] <dmcglone> but not after I hacked it all up
[23:33] <paultag> I was going suggest that you go into the DCIM folder
[23:33] <paultag> but if it's working, all is well
[23:34] <dmcglone> I tried that, and nautilus kept rendering my desktop unusable
[23:34] <dmcglone> froze it like the arctic tundra
[23:34] <dmcglone> lol
[23:35] <dmcglone> I'll be back. Dinner time :-/
[23:38] <paultag> kk :)
[23:49] <dmcglone> OK I'm back, gonna go file that bug now
[23:56] <dmcglone> hey paul should I report the bug as a libgphoto2 bug?
[23:56] <dmcglone> or a udev bug?