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Kangarooowhats name of programm controlling default browsers? in debian its x-www-browsers in ubuntu its gnome-browsers yes? and in xubuntu exo ?00:17
moetunesafaik it is exo yes00:19
lamiskaheya, do you know if there is compression enable in btrfs in maverick?00:55
Kangarooolamiska: btrfs is a filesystem? if yes i have no idea why compression of files would not work in some filesystem01:00
Kangarooozip and tar and rar should work couse theyre just files..01:01
lamiskano no01:01
Kangaroooand any filesystem can haz files01:01
lamiskabtrfs has feature01:01
lamiskabefore it write files onto disk it compress them01:01
lamiskabut defual it is disabled01:01
lamiskacompress via zlib01:01
Kangarooohttp://www.google.lv/search?hl=lv&q=btrfs+compression+enable&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=01:02
Kangaroooi dont know01:03
lamiskawhats that? lathuania, latvia?01:03
Kangaroooouh yes hehe .. but results should be the same as in google.com01:04
Kangarooolatvia01:04
lamiskaand can you tell me which filesystem is better for /boot partition01:04
lamiskai am from slovakia :)01:04
Kangaroooi was there 10y ago snowboarding and skiing01:04
lamiskaouch01:05
Kangarooofor boot im using xfs i think. and for all other i use ext401:05
lamiskai feel sorry for you :D01:05
Kangarooowhy?01:05
lamiskaservices are horrible in my country01:05
lamiskaKangarooo: is it ok that i dont use swap? i have 4GB RAM, and never seen any usage of swap so i deleted it...01:08
Kangaroooservices? i dont care about them.. all was ok where i was.. im using 1st drive  /swap 1024mb.. 2nd partition all whats left for /home and last partition /boot 200mb xfs.. yes u can then advanced installation and no swap..01:09
lamiskaokey thank you very much01:10
Kangarooosince 1st part of disk physicaly is on inside its faster reading.. and last partition is on end of disck physicaly so its slower for reading.. since boot is needed not often then it can be last and swap if needed then is needed to be faster then better to have it as 1st..01:11
TheSheepKangarooo: the address on disk has nothing to do with physical location on modern disks01:27
Kangaroooaboud ssd i dont know.. that was about hdd01:28
TheSheepKangarooo: I'm talking about hdd, there are several layers of mapping01:29
Kangarooo4 yes?01:29
TheSheepKangarooo: depends on the particular model01:29
TheSheepKangarooo: but the logical geometry has nothing to do with physical anymore01:30
TheSheepKangarooo: manydisks even remap dynamically01:30
TheSheepmany disks*01:30
Kangaroooive got this info about 1st beeing fater and last slower from one and somewhere read it too and noone ever has told me thats wrong even when told to some in #ubuntu01:30
TheSheepit was true 10 years ago probably :)01:31
TheSheepthings got complicated since01:31
TheSheepI'm not up to date and familiar with those things myself, I just know that it's much more complex now and there is no simple rule01:32
Kangarooothouse layers u mean platters yes?01:33
TheSheepno01:33
TheSheepI mean logical layers01:33
TheSheepas in mapping disk position to address, then mapping those addresses to internal representations, then maping those representations to logical geometry as seen by the operating system01:34
TheSheepit's like a several levels of emulation01:34
TheSheepthe disk that is actually accessed by the operating system is a virtual disk, emulated by the disk's firmware01:35
TheSheepand has little to do with physical locations of the bits01:35
Kangarooook i found something here http://www.tk.k12.mi.us/vm/scenario1.jpg01:36
TheSheepthat's higher level01:36
Kangarooook but then is it possible to get if i know if hdd has 4 platters then xx gb / 4layer = size of platter so i could make 2/5 of 1 platter size to be swap then 3/5 of first rest size + size of 2nd and 3rd plater (witch are the same) + 9/10 of last platter size to be home then 1/10 last platter last left size to be boot. then at least boot will be slowest and swap fastest and some of home parts will be faster and slower and medium speed..01:41
Kangarooocouse home will be last par of 1st plater all of 2 and 3 and start of 4th plater01:42
TheSheepfirst, the tracks closer to the hub are recorder with lower density01:43
TheSheepsecond, the internal software of the disk remaps whole chunks of memory to different places01:43
Kangaroooah maybe that logical mapping does that so that all whats in 1st partition is in all 4 platters in inside of them and last partition is on outer side on all 4 platters?01:43
TheSheepsometimes even dynamically01:43
TheSheepfor example, modern disks have a number of extra blocks that are used to store data from damaged disk areas01:44
TheSheepso even if some blocks get damaged, the disk still has the same capacity and is continous01:44
TheSheep(or seen as continous by the computer hardware)01:44
TheSheepmost disk actually are manufactured with some number of errors on them already01:45
TheSheepbecause it would be too expensive to make error-less ones01:45
TheSheepthen they are tested and the faulty blocks are remapped01:45
TheSheepthere is also interlacing01:46
TheSheepfor speed01:46
TheSheepso it may be like   1 5 2 6 3 7 4 801:46
TheSheepso that when you read continous area, it actually reads every second sector01:47
TheSheepthere are many such tricks, all together01:47
TheSheepdifferent for different disk models01:47
TheSheepin the end, the only way you can tell which part of a disk is faster is by actually testing it01:48
Kangarooomaybe its just faster.. 3 days ago had 3 day meetings with inventors. one was with solution for scintilators witch are photon seeing sensors used in computer tomography. old method makes 1/1day and usable is only 15% of produced scintilators. his new method makes 1/10min and 80% usable. bigger costs but at end product 30x times cheaper. but theres no way to control photon way once theyr away as in hdd.. but also interesting problem witch01:51
Kangaroooso for hdd maybe thats only best method- to make bad block info movability to new block01:52
Kangarooowitch programm makes partition speed?01:54
Kangaroooshould i do it with live cd?01:54
TheSheepno idea, I'm sure there are some benchmark programs01:54
TheSheepI don't think the difference is so big anymore01:55
TheSheepremember that there are also several levels of cache, both in the disk and in the operating system01:55
TheSheepand some predictive algorithms in the disk itself01:55
Kangaroooyes there is i also was reading once about one. xubuntu helps older get still fast. info about hdd partitioning would also be good for them if detected that their hdd has exact mapping01:57
TheSheepI don't think xubuntu works on disks *that* old :)01:57
TheSheepthey were like 20MB big01:58
Kangaroooouh01:59
Kangarooook sudo hdparm -Tt /dev/sda1 and sda702:02
Kangaroooi did it 2 times for sda1 and sda7 and results were changing oly for about 1%02:02
Kangarooo/dev/sda1:  Timing cached reads:   368 MB in  2.00 seconds = 183.89 MB/sec  Timing buffered disk reads:   52 MB in  3.07 seconds =  16.91 MB/sec02:02
Kangarooo/dev/sda7: Timing cached reads:   366 MB in  2.00 seconds = 182.77 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads:   74 MB in  3.06 seconds =  24.18 MB/sec02:02
Kangarooofor timing bufered reads only decimal numbers changes02:04
Kangarooo/dev/sda5: Timing cached reads:   372 MB in  2.01 seconds = 185.41 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads:   58 MB in  3.09 seconds =  18.80 MB/sec02:06
Kangarooo/dev/sda6: Timing cached reads:   394 MB in  2.00 seconds = 196.84 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads:   74 MB in  3.03 seconds =  24.40 MB/sec02:06
Kangaroooso that makes 1st parts slower.. since i did partitioning not usualy way i have sda1 5 6 702:07
Kangarooou should also write article couse thats interesting topic. also here i found one http://partition.radified.com/02:14
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fumanchu182Late evening guys, I am having an issue with Netbeans and one of its shortcut keys being captured by the Workspace utility.  Apparently Alt+Insert = Adding a new workspace but it is also a crucial component of Netbeans.  I cannot configure it in netbeans so how would I disable it in Xubunut?03:07
fumanchu182err Xubuntu.03:07
Kangarooosettings keyboart settings shortcuts..03:08
fumanchu182that unfortunately does not do the trick as it is not in the list03:09
FusionX|XubuntuSuddenly today xubuntu is not showing the top and bottom panels. How can i restore it again? I'm using Xubuntu 10.1005:31
moetunes!panels05:31
ubottuDid your panels disappear? Press alt+f2 and run: xfce4-panel | See also: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XubuntuPanels | Want to theme your panels? See http://xubuntu.wordpress.com/2007/10/12/howto-set-a-background-image-for-your-panel/05:31
FusionX|Xubuntuwill i have to always enter it on startup?05:32
moetunesshouldn't need to05:32
FusionX|Xubuntuok thanks05:32
moetunesbut then they shouldn't have disappeared05:33
FusionX|Xubuntualso, i have another problem. In the display option i get only 1024x768 (0hz) resolution while my monitor supports upto 1280x1024 resolution. My video card is Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE/PE DRAM Controller/Host-Hub Interface (rev 03)05:41
moetunescheck the X log - you might not have the right rates for the monitor found05:42
* ubuXubu wades slowly thru the dark swamps which border the mysterious webworld of....Xubuntu!05:48
fusion_How do i restore xubuntu to an earlier state?06:16
fusion_i can't login, whenever i login to my account my screen flashes and then i get back to the login screen06:16
fusion_it happened after i applied a patch to fix the display problem06:16
ubuXubusudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg06:17
fusion_then what?06:18
ubuXubuThis should restore your original video settings.06:19
fusion_after doing startx, it shows - "No protocol specified"06:19
ubuXubuto restore xubuntu to its original state you could try this       Press alt+F2.In that type xfwm4 --replace.06:20
ubuXubuhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=81573806:21
fusion_ok, lemme try06:22
ubuXubui can't say i have any experience actually doing it, i just read about it.06:22
ubuXubui have never had that problem yet.06:22
fusion_is it a cli command? because i cant use GUI?06:22
ubuXubuwell the 1st one is a terminal command06:23
fusion_nope doesn't work06:23
ubuXubudo u have a xubuntu installation disk06:23
fusion_i'm sick of the ubuntu's diplay problem in the intel 82845G video card.06:24
fusion_Whenever i try a fix another problem shows up06:24
ubuXubuhmmm i use an intel on board06:25
ubuXubui am on a 910GL06:25
fusion_btw, yes i have the installation disk06:25
ubuXubuwell on this computer anyway06:25
ubuXubuthey have recovery options06:25
fusion_ok06:25
fusion_br06:25
fusion_*brb06:25
ubuXubuhaven't used them myself06:25
ubuXubuand i dunno if u have backed up all ur stuff06:26
ubuXubuyikes06:26
pythonian4000Hey, I have recently upgraded to Xubuntu 10.10, and have just tried playing some video - the video plays but with no sound. I was also getting pa_stream_writable_size() failed on some videos.06:27
pythonian4000I tried resetting the permissions of everything in my home dir, and uninstalling and reinstalling gstreamer0.10-pulseaudio, but nothing. I have also tried VLC which has its own drivers - still no sound.06:28
pythonian4000The output of the ALSA diagnostic script is at http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=36570ffa6475cc7c2ec9c9a62e5dccc85aaf780806:29
pythonian4000(I'll quickly try a restart...)06:29
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ubuXubuturn the volume slider bar all the way to the left until it disappears and then start the video, one guy said when he does it the sound comes on?06:51
ubuXububizarre06:51
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pythonian4000I think I worked it out... seems that if I connect my mobile internet first then the audio completely fails. But start playing something first and then connect the internet and it's fine.08:31
ubuXubuweird08:33
stephans_hello, my iBook G3 with xubuntu 10.04 can't use QuickCam Deluxe f. Notebook. E.g. luvcview gives Illegal Instruction or XawTV shows weird colors. Any hint, pleas?14:06
jonathani was wondering if there was a easy way to get all my windows apps the have the executable bit active active automaticly.16:51
jonathanhello?16:56
lluawhat gtk engine does the bluebird theme from 10.10 use?17:06
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daedra_how do I check if I have a graphics driver installed?18:37
Sysidoes your system work?18:38
daedra_Sysi, it "works"18:38
daedra_but I'm not using the good ATi drivers18:39
Sysialt+f2 "jockey-gtk"18:40
Renegade15good evening. Is there any way to install from CD over an existing installation to upgrade the installed system without losing data, especially without funny business like deleting existing home directories?20:51
knomeRenegade15, when you insert the cd, you should get a prompt that says a new media with a package repository is inserted, and what you would like to do with it20:51
Renegade15the installed system would probably have to give me more than a crappy excuse for a terminal for that20:52
knomeexcuse me?20:52
knomea prompt dialog, not a terminal20:53
Renegade15all I'm getting in the installed system is a shiny white terminal which will only work if I hover the cursor (hidden in the abyss that is the rest of the screen) over said terminal20:53
Renegade15so no chance for any prompts20:54
knomeRenegade15, well you should be able to add the cd to the sources.list manually, if nothing else.20:55
Renegade15that would be awesome20:55
Renegade15any particular path format?20:55
knomeRenegade15, apparently see apt-cdrom -tool20:56
knome(i have no idea how that works, but...)20:56
Renegade15I see...would it matter whether I'm using the standard or alt CD?20:56
knomeno, that shouldn't make any difference regarding this situation20:57
Renegade15alright20:57
Renegade15hmpf21:03
Renegade15it looks good at first, but then it says it can't find the individual files21:03
Renegade15(this is *after* it already added the CD to the list of sources and extracted the package lists from it)21:03
Renegade15alright, is there a way to force aptitude to ignore a hash mismatch?21:39
jonathani was wondering if there is any way i can permanently get around the executable bit on windows programs with wine21:43
knomejonathan, what is the problem?21:47
knomeRenegade15, i don't think so really.21:47
knomeRenegade15, is network upgrade out of question?21:47
Renegade15network upgrade wouldn't work because the POS complained about the "encodings" module of python being missing21:47
Renegade15needless to say, a python-encodings package doesn't exist, and reinstalling python and python-central did nothing21:48
Renegade15tried python-apt, too21:48
Renegade15did nothing21:48
jonathanhmmm, because i'm having trouble where i cant set the exe files to be executable21:48
Renegade15chmod +x?21:49
knomejonathan, at least from terminal 'chmod +x /path/to/exe'21:49
jonathancan i set that command into a launcher?21:49
knomejonathan, you should only need to do that once per file21:50
jonathanoh, k21:50
knomejonathan, after that, it's marked as executable21:50
jonathani'll try that, 1 sec21:50
Renegade15alright...for the moment, it pretends to be working22:03
Renegade15I somehow beat aptitude into submission, and thanks to having the cd as source, I don't even have to download the majority of packages22:03
Renegade15let's see what it finds to bitch about this time -_-22:03
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