/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/11/15/#kubuntu-devel.txt

afiestas__ScottK: well, you can put me in contact with that team00:04
apparlecan someone help me configure kremotecontrol or kdelirc00:22
ScottKafiestas__: Can you join #ubuntu-x.  I'll introduce you.00:34
CIA-42[muon] jmthomas * 1197143 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (CategoryView/Category.cpp categories.xml) More icons, and handle fallback for an empty icon XML element00:35
afiestas__ScottK: brb 5min00:38
CIA-42[muon] jmthomas * 1197229 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (3 files in 2 dirs) Add forward/back buttons to the breadcrumb. Doing this required some crumb management code to be moved from AbstractViewContainer to BreadcrumbWidget, but it needed to be moved there anyways.04:46
ScottKRiddell, apachelogger, JontheEchidna, other council members: We need to have a post-UDS review of stuff and agree on it.04:56
CIA-42[muon] jmthomas * 1197230 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/AbstractViewContainer.cpp We don't really need this check; QStackedWidget handles this case gracefuly.05:13
CIA-42[muon] jmthomas * 1197231 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (3 files in 2 dirs) (log message trimmed)05:19
CIA-42Optimize: The Category class doesn't really need any QObject features since it05:19
CIA-42is mainly a control structure surrounding a chunk of an XML file. Also fix a05:19
JontheEchidnablah, GPU hang05:26
JontheEchidnaabout time I should get to bed anyways05:27
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roinuxhi there05:49
roinuxsomebody know about programming for USB ports05:50
roinux?05:50
valoriehey there, roinux05:56
valoriehopefully someone is awake and aware here05:56
valorielike maybe apachelogger?05:56
valorieor maybe ScottK is still up?05:57
DarkwingDuckI'm awake but I know nothing.05:59
valoriedo you know of any likely channels for roinux?06:00
valoriehardware oriented chans?06:00
roinuxwhat?06:01
valorieI know nothing ofUSB beyond knowing how to plug one in06:01
roinuxdo u know other chns?06:02
valorieroinux: searching for "hardware", I see two likely ones: ##hardware and #openhardware06:03
valoriethe first one has lots of people, the second is for developers, and has only 5 people06:04
valoriepossibly good to hang out in both06:04
valorie~np06:08
valorieoops, sorry06:08
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geekosopherjust curious, why are we not packaging handbooks of all the apps installed by default in kubuntu, e.g. the akgregator, kmail, etc. The handbooks are there at docs.kde.org09:33
geekosopherif it is lack of manpower, with proper guidance, I will be more than willing to volunteer09:36
apacheloggerit is the lack of disc space, which of course does not mean you could not be volunteering eitherway ^^09:41
valoriegeekosopher: where should they be?09:45
geekosophervalorie: in the helpcenter09:46
valorieproblem with having docs in more than one place, is that when one copy is edited, does that travel over to the other copy?09:46
valorieoh, I see what you mean09:46
valoriemaybe we should make the docs available as help-files09:46
valoriewhen people install apps?09:46
apachelogger...disc space...09:47
valorieoops, I read your first statement again09:47
geekosopherapachelogger: we have docs for knetattach and krdc which might be not as important/popular as kmail and reqonk09:47
geekosopherbut then its just my opinion09:47
valorieperhaps those could be downloaded along with updates09:47
valorieIF people are online as they are installing09:48
geekosopheryes, if disk space is the contraint we can/should do that09:48
valoriequestion: are they on the dvd?09:48
valorienice to meet you, geekosopher09:49
valorieI'm a new member of the docs team09:49
geekosophervalorie: nice to meet you too09:49
geekosopherand welcome to docs team :)09:49
valorieDarkwingDuck is our fearless leader09:50
geekosopheri see very less of him lately, either on channel or mailing list09:50
valoriewell, at UDS we all gave our all09:51
valorieand only apachelogger and Riddell still are going strong09:51
apacheloggermaybe he got the nixternal disease09:51
valoriemaybe shadeslayer09:51
valoriebecause apachelogger beats him, I think09:52
apacheloggerI do no such thing, well, not physical anyway09:52
geekosopherapachelogger: is that infectious? ;)09:52
valoriehow DO you have so much energy, apachelogger?09:52
apacheloggergeekosopher: I have no idea, little is know about it ;)09:52
valorie"not physical anyway"09:53
valorielol09:53
geekosopher:D09:53
apacheloggervalorie: vast amounts of ... calculus09:53
valorie!09:53
valoriecalc did give me energy too -- to get far, far away from it09:53
apacheloggerit's all magic from my POV09:54
valorieI think I was a bit too young to appreciate the magic09:55
apacheloggerwell, imagine someone pulling a rabbit out of an epsilon09:57
apacheloggersurely the epsilon was too big if a rabbit fits in09:58
valoriewow, that makes me think of you wearing your wizard's hat09:58
apachelogger^^09:58
geekosopherapachelogger: do you think we will have a kde client for ubuntu-one soon?09:59
apacheloggernope09:59
* geekosopher is thinking, apachelogger must have been tired of answering this09:59
apacheloggernot unless someone steps up and does stuff09:59
geekosopher:(10:00
valorieI think you did your bit, apachelogger10:04
valoriesomeone picking it up might find the u1 devels more open-minded and thoughtful now10:05
valoriemaybe10:05
apacheloggeryeah10:23
Riddellshadeslayer: ooh, Neon is nearly done, should I try it out?10:56
RiddellScottK: time for a meeting?10:56
davmor2Riddell: wait till after the meeting :D11:00
jussio/11:04
ScottKRiddell: I think so.11:07
jussiJontheEchidna: about?11:15
shadeslayerRiddell: now has a Xsession entry as well12:59
shadeslayerthe base install is done12:59
Riddellshadeslayer: awooga13:02
Riddellshadeslayer: time to do some PR on it?13:02
shadeslayerapachelogger: not for some time no... ( wrt to konqueror shortcuts ) .... last exam tmmrw and after that i have a stack of assignments to complete :P13:03
shadeslayerRiddell: we need to export some vars before we can do some PR13:03
shadeslayerso i think we should wait a wee bit more13:03
Riddellshadeslayer: aww, ok13:03
shadeslayerRiddell: are the official canonical pics any good13:05
Riddellshadeslayer: pics of what?13:06
shadeslayerOfficial UDS Party pics13:06
shadeslayeror thats what the subject says13:06
Riddelldunno, not seen any13:06
* apachelogger puts on his doctor zoidberg costume and scuttles off to the lands of calculus13:06
shadeslayercalculus ftw13:07
shadeslayerRiddell: http://www.hello-usa.com/YouSendIt/default.asp?id=8976865213:10
shadeslayerRiddell: btw in project neon, kwin doesnt start automagically, you need to start the project neon kwin seprately13:12
Riddellwhy is that?13:13
shadeslayerdunno13:13
shadeslayerpossibly wrong cache, and incorrect vars et all13:14
shadeslayerwhy oh why does the N8 not have Android/Meego13:14
shadeslayer:'(13:14
Riddellbecause it's made by Nokia who don't use Android and Meego doesn't exist yet13:15
shadeslayerRiddell: why are they developing Meego? why not go with android13:15
Riddellnokia like to control their operating system13:17
shadeslayeroh oh oh oh 13:18
shadeslayeri think yofel_ fixed the vars and stuff13:18
shadeslayerihttp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~neon/project-neon/meta-project-neon/revision/1513:18
shadeslayerhttp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~neon/project-neon/meta-project-neon/revision/1513:18
Riddelland I doubt they expected android to be that successful, it's made by a company with no prior experience and uses a weird variant of a language that runs too slow on desktops13:18
shadeslayerhmm13:20
shadeslayeri should put in neonmake there13:20
shadeslayerRiddell: should i build kdebindings for lucid against  python-qt4 (>> 4.7.4) or  python-qt4 (>> 4.7.3) ?13:25
Riddellshadeslayer: why would it be 4.7.3 ?13:28
shadeslayerlucid doesnt have 4.7.4 ... 13:28
shadeslayerand we ported 4.7.3 to lucid13:28
Riddellgo with that then13:29
shadeslayerso downgrade  python-qt4 for kdebindings for lucid13:29
shadeslayerok13:29
tazzRiddell, cant we say the same thing about apple and iphone ?13:54
ScottKtazz: We can.13:56
apacheloggergstreamer is totally supreme!14:22
apacheloggerqgraphicsitem for phonon working awesomely with gst backend14:22
apacheloggerwell, until it runs out of memory, but that is a different story ^^14:22
Riddellapachelogger: so we should change to gstreamer toot sweet?14:24
apacheloggerwe could14:24
* apachelogger just needs to polish up the dvdmenu stuff with callbcks and then that show stopper is gone too14:24
apacheloggercool14:54
apacheloggerumbrello segfault14:54
apacheloggerRiddell: is actually anyone working on umbrello?14:54
Riddellapachelogger: nobody :(14:58
Riddellit has been bitrotting for years14:58
apacheloggervery noticable to the user I might say :(14:58
apacheloggererror: That name is already being used.14:59
apacheloggerjust in another namepsace... -.-14:59
ScottKafiestas: It looked like you and RAOF had a good conversation yesterday.15:04
afiestasScottK: yes, we've to catchup first, but the work  he's doing is very interesting and needed15:05
ScottKafiestas: I hope you'll be able to make something great for KDE out of it too.15:06
afiestasScottK: we'll try 15:08
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ScottKExcellent.15:10
apacheloggerafiestas: if you need a minion, dantti offered one I recall ;)15:14
apacheloggerafiestas: btw, did you get a chance to look at the bludevil bugs?15:14
* apachelogger is surprised by how little calculus he is exercising even though exam is tomorrow :O15:14
afiestasapachelogger: no, I didn't :/15:15
afiestasapachelogger: any specially annoying or critical?15:16
apacheloggerwell, they seemed a bit unprecise, I just thought you might want to check them out15:17
* apachelogger knows next to nothing about bluetooth15:17
apacheloggerbut if there were unicorns with bluetooth I surely would get one for fregl15:17
afiestasapachelogger: xD will you guys make a fluffy sprint in the meego conference?15:18
macohrmph. leatherbound.me doesn't work in rekonq but.. well at least as of a few days ago, it definitely worked in firefox15:18
apacheloggerif only I had been invited to the meego conference!15:18
apacheloggerthat said, if only I didnt have calculus exam this week, I would have annoyed people to invite me!15:19
macoif ya type something and hit enter, with rekonq it asks where to save O_o15:19
apacheloggerrekonq15:19
afiestasapachelogger: I thought I saw you here :/15:19
* apachelogger giggles15:19
apacheloggersilly rekonq15:19
maco(even konquerer does this right)15:20
apacheloggerafiestas: must have been one of my clones15:20
apacheloggeroh, shoot, no one was supposed to know about them15:20
afiestasxd15:20
apacheloggerso, while we are bashing rekonq again ... is it me or does the back button not work on facebook15:20
afiestashttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluedevil <-- right url?15:20
macothere's a back button on facebook?15:20
apacheloggeryep15:20
apacheloggermaco: I mean rekonq's15:20
macoor do you mean rekonq's back button doesnt work if you're on fb?15:20
macothat works fine for me15:20
macoive been using rekonq for a few days now15:20
apacheloggerthe strangest thing15:21
* apachelogger must get himself a more southern way of talking so he can say "the strangest thing" more often15:21
apacheloggersomeone really should verify bug 658728 that seems annoyingish horrible15:23
ubottuLaunchpad bug 658728 in bluedevil (Ubuntu Maverick) "bluedevil translations not being used" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/65872815:23
dpmhey apachelogger. Does it work for you with the German locale? The German translation seems to be nearly complete -> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/bluedevil/+pots/bluedevil15:28
apacheloggerif only I used german locale15:29
apacheloggerif only language-selector wasnt such a broken piece of rainbow15:30
apacheloggerthat reminds me, it needs a rewrite15:30
apacheloggerdpm: did anyone pick up maintainership yet?15:30
dpmapachelogger, no, unfortunately not :(15:31
dpmanyway, I'll add a comment to the bug15:31
apachelogger:(15:31
Quintasanapachelogger: I have changed my JID to quintasan@chrome.pl , please auth if you want15:32
apacheloggerjava id?15:32
Quintasanjabber id15:32
Quintasanlol15:32
apacheloggersilly acronyms15:33
apacheloggerauth'd15:33
apacheloggerlets do chit chat!15:33
shadeslayerheh15:41
shadeslayerQuintasan: request sent as well15:42
apacheloggerNightrose: Mit Quintasan darf nur noch Deutsch gesprochen werden, damit er Gelegenheit hat zum Ueben. ;)15:42
shadeslayer:D15:42
apacheloggershadeslayer: thy shall only talk german with Quintasan :P15:42
* shadeslayer grabs google translate15:43
* apachelogger is all in favor of implementing this a channel policy15:43
shadeslayerapachelogger: thy shall only talk in this channel in 0's and 1's15:43
shadeslayeror klingon15:43
apacheloggeryou bun too font does surely not do klingon15:44
shadeslayeruse klingon font then ;)15:44
QuintasanJa, ja, Deutch learnen macht Spass15:44
apacheloggertotal15:45
apacheloggershadeslayer: 001 1000 1001 0011 1101 0000 1011 0111 001115:45
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QuintasanThree things: 1. Tool for enabling NumLock @ KDM start 2. Why the hell plymouth theme looks normal on nouveau and like crap on nvidia drivers? 3. Anyone using KTorrent?16:01
Quintasan4. Where did the PolicyKit Manager go?16:02
Quintasanad. 4 apachelogger16:02
apacheloggerQuintasan: Das KCM ist noch nicht auf polkit portiert, soweit ich weiss.16:04
QuintasanFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF16:04
apacheloggerQuintasan: Ein Tool zum einschalten von numlock gibts in den System Einstellungen im Keyboard KCM.16:04
* Quintasan wonders in what mess did he get himself into16:05
apacheloggerQuintasan: Plymouth sieht mit nvidia nicht besonders ansprechend aus, weil nvidia kein KMS unterstuetzt oder sowas in der Art.16:05
Quintasanapachelogger: http://imagebin.ca/view/Rag3OJxB.html16:06
Quintasanit doesnt work16:06
Quintasanit is set to Turn on numlock and it is still off16:06
Quintasandamn16:06
apacheloggerQuintasan: Ich glaub lex hat das fuer 10.10 gefixt? Zumindest gabs da nen Fehlerbericht, am besten Launchpad durchsuchen.16:07
apacheloggershadeslayer: 01110111 01101000 01100101 01101110 00100000 01110111 01101001 01101100 01101100 00100000 01110000 01110010 01101111 01101010 01100101 01100011 01110100 00101101 01101110 01100101 01101111 01101110 00100000 01100010 01100101 00100000 01110010 01100101 01100001 01100100 01111001 0011111116:10
shadeslayerwha16:11
* apachelogger notes that communication via bit maps is a bit lengthy16:11
Quintasanapachelogger: 01010111 01101000 01100101 01101110 00100000 01111001 01101111 01110101 00100000 01110011 01110100 01101111 01110000 00100000 01110011 01110000 01100101 01100001 01101011 01101001 01101110 01100111 00100000 01000111 01100101 01110010 01101101 01100001 01101110 00100000 01110100 01101111 00100000 01101101 0110010116:12
shadeslayerapachelogger: 011010010111010001110011001000000111001001100101011000010110010001111001001000000100111001001111010101110010000116:12
* Quintasan 's pbuilders got rusty16:13
Quintasanshadeslayer: 01001001 01010100 00100000 01101001 01110011 00100000 01101110 01101111 01110100 00100000 01110010 01100101 01100001 01100100 01111001 00100000 01111001 01100101 01110100 00100000 01110011 01101001 01101110 01100011 01100101 00100000 01101011 01100100 01100101 01100010 01101001 01101110 01100100 01101001 01101110 01100111 01110011 00100000 01110011 01110100 01101001 01101100 01101100 00100000 01000110 01010100 01000010 16:13
Quintasan01000110 0101001116:13
apachelogger^^16:14
apacheloggermadness16:14
shadeslayerQuintasan: 01010100011010000110000101110100011100110010000001111001011011110111010101110010001000000110011001100001011101010110110001110100001000000111010001101000011001010110111000100000001110100101000016:14
Quintasanshadeslayer: 01101100 01101111 01101100 00100000 01101110 01101111 00101100 00100000 01100010 01101100 01100001 01101101 01100101 00100000 01001011 01000100 01000101 01100111 01110101 01111001 0111001116:14
shadeslayerapachelogger: 0110100001101111011101110010000001100100011000010111001001100101001000000111100101101111011101010010000001110011011100000110010101100001011010110010000001101001011011100010000001000001010100110100001101001001010010010010000116:15
shadeslayerQuintasan: 01101100011001010111010001110011001000000110101001110101011100110111010000100000011000100110110001100001011011010110010100100000011110010110111101100110011001010110110016:15
Quintasanyofel_: 01110101 01110010 00100000 01100110 01100001 01110101 01101100 0111010016:15
shadeslayer01101100011011110110110016:16
shadeslayer  libkonq5-dev: Depends: libkonq5 (= 4:4.4.2-0ubuntu2) but it is not going to be installed :: fun16:17
Riddellahem16:17
shtylmanplease keep communication in english16:17
shadeslayershtylman: that is english.... just encoded :P16:18
shtylmanplease keep communication in ascii english (decoded)16:18
shadeslayerhey... ASCII is also a coded language :P16:18
apacheloggerboring16:19
apachelogger....16:19
shadeslayerapachelogger: would have been more fun if we encrypted ASCII with gpg 16:19
apacheloggertoo much bloat16:19
Quintasanlolwut16:20
Quintasanhow does one disable plymouth?16:20
Quintasanit's annoying16:20
shadeslayerQuintasan: disable in /etc/default/grub16:20
shadeslayeror something similar16:20
shadeslayerRiddell: does the l10n script do uploads as well?16:22
shadeslayeruploads to PPA et all16:22
Riddellshadeslayer: no16:26
Riddellshadeslayer: nor test builds (although I don't usually bother with test builds these days for l10n, takes so long)16:26
Riddellbut I do test build a couple of them before upload16:27
shadeslayerso you upload each and everyone ?16:28
RiddellI do   for asdf in *changes; do dput ubuntu ${asdf}; done16:29
shadeslayerah ok16:29
ScottKshadeslayer: Did you get your bluetooth stuff uploaded by somebody?16:29
shadeslayernope16:29
ScottKRiddell: Could you have a look? ^^^16:30
Riddellshadeslayer: what's that?16:30
shadeslayernew bluedevil release16:30
shadeslayerhttps://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/kde-extra16:30
shadeslayerfor some odd reason kdepim did not find kdebase-runtime ....16:32
shadeslayerweirdness16:32
* yofel_ feels like he just fell into lost in translation16:33
yofel_I'm not good in talking binary :P16:33
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Quintasanbrr16:34
Quintasanshadeslayer: are u using ktorrent?16:35
shadeslayersometimes yes16:35
Quintasanand does it crash for you? let say in the middle of using it or upon exit?16:35
shadeslayernope16:35
shadeslayerstupid kdepim ....16:36
Riddellshadeslayer: talking of bluedevil nobody has done the test for bug 65872816:37
ubottuLaunchpad bug 658728 in bluedevil (Ubuntu Maverick) "bluedevil translations not being used" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/65872816:37
shadeslayerdidnt you say it works?16:37
shadeslayeri thought that was it16:37
RiddellI uploaded, I can't (or don't want to) validate my own upload16:38
Riddellshadeslayer: so 1.0 still doesn't come with translations?16:39
shadeslayerafaik no16:39
Riddellshadeslayer: uploaded!16:40
shadeslayer\o/16:40
shadeslayerany ideas why this is not picking up runtime? https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+build/2047767/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-amd64.kdepim_4:4.4.7-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz16:44
shadeslayer( kdebase-runtime to be specific )16:44
* apachelogger writes binary parser16:48
hrw|n900bluedevil 1.0 uploaded? nice and thanks16:49
shadeslayerhrw|n900: for natty :)16:49
hrw|n900will have to check. hope that DUN will be next16:49
hrw|n900shadeslayer: I do not use maverick+kde4 combo16:49
shadeslayerohk16:50
hrw|n900shadeslayer: only efikasb runs maverick but 512mb ram is not enough for kde416:50
shadeslayeraye16:50
apacheloggershadeslayer: you are writing a very horrible dialect16:51
shadeslayerapachelogger: wha.. where?16:51
apacheloggerbinary without seperator16:51
apacheloggerunreadable16:51
shadeslayeroic16:51
apacheloggermy eyes are bleeding because of you16:51
shadeslayerhhaha :P16:51
* apachelogger abuses std::string16:52
hrw|n900you should do octal - less bw used16:52
shadeslayerapachelogger:   kdepim-runtime: Depends: kdebase-runtime but it is not going to be installed : what am i doing wrong? :S16:53
shadeslayerfrom kdepim 4.4.7 in ninjas16:53
Riddellshadeslayer: well what happens when you install kdebase-runtime ?16:54
shadeslayerhmm.. seems kdebase-runtime isnt pulled in by builder -.-16:55
apacheloggerpoor thing16:59
apachelogger01100111 01110100 0110011117:00
shadeslayerapachelogger: cya17:01
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apacheloggerhow very magic17:22
apacheloggershadeslayer: you should really find me another minion17:22
shadeslayerapachelogger: we should get dylan17:22
shadeslayercant remember his nick17:23
apacheloggerhe is already shaped, I need raw material to form in my image!17:23
shadeslayerah ok17:23
shadeslayerapachelogger: is one minion not enough? :P17:23
apacheloggerno!17:23
apacheloggerspecially not if he delays renaming a package for multiple cycles :P17:24
shadeslayerill do it next week :P17:24
apacheloggerfinding a minion?17:25
shadeslayerrenaming the package17:25
ScottKshadeslayer: Besides, if you ever want to graduate from minion status, you need to find a replacement.17:26
apacheloggerwhen will I get a minion?17:26
shadeslayerScottK++17:26
apacheloggerDarkwingDuck: weren't you supposed to find me minions?17:26
ScottK(not that there's much hope for that anytime soon judging on your UDS performance)17:26
shadeslayerapachelogger: go to #kubuntu :P17:26
ScottKshadeslayer: No, not a good source.  Need motivated people.17:26
shadeslayerScottK: :O .... what happened?17:27
ScottKYou promoted yourself to padwan and how long did that last?17:27
apacheloggershadeslayer: he is not kidding, I do not advocate applications to any sort of developer status unless there is a replacement minion17:27
shadeslayerScottK: uh.. i didnt... afaik i was a minion all along17:27
ScottKAh, it was such a short promotin he doesn't even remember it.17:28
apachelogger^^17:28
shadeslayerseriously .... cant remember it17:28
ScottKapachelogger: See keybuck's comments on #ubuntu-devel.17:28
ScottKNice parallel.17:28
apacheloggerand he didnt even get no alcohol17:28
shadeslayerlol17:29
apacheloggerScottK: uhh, that is a fancy idea17:29
shadeslayeranyways... gtg and study now... cya17:29
ulyssesNatty daily ISO almost worked \o/17:29
Riddell"almost"?17:29
ulyssesI can't install my Broadcom driver17:30
ScottKOK.  That's ISO working and Jockey broken.17:30
apacheloggerstupid jockey -.-17:31
apacheloggershadeslayer: where are my sambashare enabled test packages btw?17:32
davmor2ulysses: which broadcom driver did you tell it to use?17:32
shadeslayerapachelogger: isnt that supposed to be rbelems field?17:32
shadeslayerim probably migrating from packaging to coding :P17:32
apacheloggershadeslayer: I signed you up for packaging17:32
apacheloggerrbelem is a coding minion :P17:33
ulyssesdavmor2: BCM4312M17:33
apacheloggershadeslayer: fair enough... language-selector needs a rewrite17:33
apacheloggeralso stronger incorporation with kcm17:33
shadeslayerapachelogger: convert rbelem to packaging minion and im going to become coding minion17:33
apacheloggerpreferrably it had a C based core that can be shared across gtk and kde17:33
apacheloggershadeslayer: also you should prepare blog posts about neon17:34
ulyssesScottK: I tried 'apt-get install bcmwl-kernel-source', it builds the module, but can't update initramfs17:34
* apachelogger wants one for users and one for launchpad fans (at least)17:34
ScottKulysses: Are dkms and patch installed?17:34
shadeslayerapachelogger: yeah.... last exam tomorrow ... ill see what i can whip up over the week and weekend17:35
apacheloggerultimately something generic too ... pitfalls with kde in a sandbox17:35
ScottKBeyond that, dunno17:35
davmor2ulysses: ah right so you're using the official one not the b43 driver17:35
yofelhow is it supposed to update initramfs on a CD?17:35
ulyssesScottK: yes17:35
ScottKNot sure then.17:35
ulyssesyofel: on an USB stick:)17:36
shadeslayerreally going now17:36
yofelhm, not sure there, I thought kernel changes were impossible17:36
apacheloggerScottK: do we have a meeting date yet?17:36
yofelcu shadeslayer (make sure you plan some time for neon over the weekend too :P)17:36
apacheloggernothing going on in #kubuntu17:37
apacheloggerboring channel17:37
ulyssesBlur has to be disabled too, all widget and background is ugly gray with it17:37
yofel #kubuntu-de is worse...17:39
ScottKapachelogger: Nope.17:40
apacheloggerok17:40
apacheloggeryofel: because it should be merged into #ubuntu-de....17:40
apacheloggerScottK: shouldnt kdesudo have max window size?17:41
neversfeldeyofel: why?17:41
apacheloggerthe dialog seems incredibly large17:41
apacheloggeron netbook that is17:41
ScottKapachelogger: kdesudo needs to specify that.17:41
yofelneversfelde: I'm counting lines_per_hour17:41
ScottKI agree it should though.17:41
apacheloggerokidoki17:42
neversfeldeyofel: there is traffic in it, probably not in the afternoon or morning, but in the evening and at weekends 17:42
apacheloggerScottK: do you have an example patch for such a change?17:42
ScottKapachelogger: No.  17:42
neversfeldeyofel: from my point of view it makes sense, because I only give support for kubuntu related things and I could not do this in #ubuntu-de17:43
ScottKneversfelde: Why couldn't you?17:43
neversfeldeScottK: too much traffic and no time to filter the important things17:43
ScottKOK.17:43
apacheloggerbrrrr, kdesudo code style is scary17:44
apacheloggernow I remember why I didnt like hacking on it ^^17:44
ScottKThat may not be the best place to try and fix it, but it seems unfortunate that Germany has two completely separate locos.17:44
Riddellossi was talking about putting kdesudo into kde svn17:44
ScottKapachelogger: Then go make Tonio come back.17:44
neversfeldeScottK: yes, for seven years or more17:44
apacheloggermaybe sending cookies helps17:44
* Riddell compiles qt 4.7.117:44
apacheloggerRiddell: git?17:44
apacheloggeronly git is option :P17:44
Riddellapachelogger: kdebase17:45
apacheloggerscary17:45
ScottKneversfelde: Is it something that could be changed in the future?17:45
ulyssesRiddell: UPnP MediaServer KIOslave and HUPNP compiles and works now well on Lucid, what's next?17:45
Riddellulysses: get them both packaged!17:46
Riddellulysses: do you know where to start?17:46
ulyssesRiddell: nope17:46
Riddellulysses: want to work on it now along with me?17:46
neversfeldeScottK: I am not sure, if this should change, we could never represent Kubuntu in the way we do, if we are part of a larger team. Better sharing of resources and knowledge would be great.17:47
apacheloggerbashing ruby!17:47
apacheloggeromg!17:47
ulyssesRiddell: yes17:47
Riddellulysses: let me set up a server17:48
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ScottKneversfelde: Would you be willing to work on better sharing between the Ubuntu and Kubuntu teams in Germany?17:49
neversfeldeScottK: I am not very active in loco work, only support and translating. The people who are organizing the booths on the linux events, might have more info17:52
Riddellulysses: where is your public ssh key?17:52
ScottKneversfelde: At UDS, DarkwingDuck agreed to work on helping Kubuntu and Ubuntu people work better together in the locos.  Would you be able/willing to help him get connected to the right people for Kubuntu in Germany?17:53
neversfeldenobody knows the reason, why there are two groups, well except for amu, but I heard he got lost in the WoW universe17:53
neversfeldeScottK: sure, I already have this on my todo17:53
ScottKExcellent.17:53
ulyssesRiddell: https://launchpad.net/~ulysses/+sshkeys17:53
DarkwingDuckapachelogger: I thought you said you found yourself a minion... :P:P17:55
apacheloggerdidnt work out as planed17:55
DarkwingDuck:)17:55
DarkwingDuckstarcraftman is a good candidate for you apachelogger 17:55
* apachelogger sends flowers to starcraftman17:56
apacheloggerstarcraftman: wanna be my minion?17:56
DarkwingDuckDon't know if he is currently activ but, he was asking how to get involved in here.17:56
DarkwingDuckhey sheytan 17:57
sheytanDarkwingDuck hey17:57
apacheloggereeek17:58
Riddellulysses: ssh ubuntu@ec2-75-101-254-225.compute-1.amazonaws.com17:58
apacheloggersnapshot should also not be fullscreened17:58
Riddellulysses: then run  screen -x17:58
apacheloggerScottK: maybe we should just define non-maximizing window rules?17:58
DarkwingDuck:D17:58
ScottKapachelogger: I think you should join #plasma-netbook and discuss it with notmart.17:58
ulyssesRiddell: I'm in17:58
Riddellulysses: you are?17:59
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ulyssesRiddell: ubuntu   pts/1        Mon Nov 15 17:58   still logged in    38.16ec54.tvnetwork.hu17:59
ulyssesthat's me18:00
Riddellulysses: and the screen session too?18:00
ulyssesRiddell: yes18:00
Riddellulysses: type something18:00
Riddellooh it works18:01
Riddellulysses: groovy, so where's this hupnp?18:01
neversfeldebtw. it is not as worse as it seems in germany, it seems to be correct, that there were differences between ubuntuusers.de and kubuntu.de, but I can't hardly remember about it and I think I am one of the oldest team members. Currently we maintain a forum with 19 k of users (and we deleted the inactive people some time ago) a wiki focussed on Kubuntu, further a portal wich translates nearly every news from kubuntu.org. We just got a18:01
neversfelde new sponsor for the next two years and we have a booth on every big linux event18:01
ulyssesRiddell: we need the svn version 'svn co https://hupnp.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/hupnp hupnp'18:02
RiddellI think we should be happy we have active kubuntu loco activity in germany and put any resources into getting active loco activity elsewhere18:02
neversfeldeso I think it is not an option to shut this all down and merge18:02
Riddellulysses: we want trunk right?18:03
ulyssesRiddell: right18:03
apachelogger"Your request has been received. Expect to receive an email shortly." - that is one of my most beloved launchpad features18:04
Riddellulysses: groovy, how do we get it compiled?18:04
DarkwingDuckneversfelde: who is the contact for the kubuntu-loco there?18:04
ulyssesRiddell: qmake; make; make install18:04
neversfeldebut I will ask some people, about working together in a more efficient way18:04
ulyssesRiddell: qmake PREFIX=/usr18:05
neversfeldeDarkwingDuck: official contact is txwikinger, but he is living in Canada. You can talk to blizzz, mcas and ofcourse to me18:05
* DarkwingDuck ponders18:06
neversfeldeDarkwingDuck: any details about your plans getting ubuntu and kubuntu people together in locos?18:06
DarkwingDuckThat's what I'm pondering :D18:06
txwikingerI thought there are already together in most LoCos18:06
DarkwingDuckHere in the US we all kinda hang out together but, the Kubuntu people feel slightly left out.18:07
neversfeldeDarkwingDuck: we could have a session about it in #ubuntu-meeting, I guess the people from Finland are interested too18:07
DarkwingDuckWhat I'm trying to do is figure out how to get the other flav... siblings feel as included within the community18:08
neversfeldeand I think there are at least two other Kubuntu only groups, one somewhere in South America and one in Iran afair18:08
txwikingerIn Canada we do not have (yet) any problems between the flavors18:08
DarkwingDuckWe don't have problems per se, what we have is everything within the LoCos are Ubuntu.18:09
neversfeldesame here, there are two groups, nobody is in conflict with the other one18:09
DarkwingDuckYou mention 'but I use kubuntu' and you get 'thats nice'18:09
neversfeldewe seem too have different interests and different ways of working18:09
DarkwingDuckBut, because example, in my LoCo us-ca I think there are onlya small handful of us kubuntu users18:10
Riddellulysses: seems to be compiling away fine18:10
ulyssesRiddell: HUPNP's author is very helpful18:10
neversfeldeDarkwingDuck: that's different from Germany, we have a lot of Kubuntu users over here18:11
DarkwingDuckBut, what I want to try and do is gather resources for those few Kubuntu users. Maybe put together pre-build slideshows, brochures ect ect for events and the like so that the Kubuntu people don't feel off18:11
DarkwingDuck*nods*18:11
Riddellulysses: groovy compiled and installed18:12
Riddellulysses: so it's ready to be packaged18:12
DarkwingDuckOpensource is still lost in the US.18:12
neversfeldeDarkwingDuck: you should put this on a mailinglist, so that we can start the dialog. Let's see what happens18:12
Riddellulysses: shall i tell you what to do and you go ahead and do it?18:12
ulyssesRiddell: sure18:12
Riddellulysses: firstly you need to make the .orig tar18:12
DarkwingDuckYeah, I'm finally able to dedicate some time to Kubuntu after UDS :D18:12
Riddellulysses: so I'd run something like find . -name .svn  and rm all those directories18:13
Riddellbecause we don't include them in packaging18:13
apacheloggerRiddell: bug 658728 verified18:13
ubottuLaunchpad bug 658728 in bluedevil (Ubuntu Maverick) "bluedevil translations not being used" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/65872818:13
DarkwingDuckand I just singed my moustache18:13
Riddellapachelogger: yay, thanks18:14
neversfeldeDarkwingDuck: great18:15
Riddellulysses: ?18:16
ulyssesRiddell: I did something wrong?18:17
Riddellulysses: no you just stopped :)18:17
Riddellyou can pipe the output to  xargs rm -rf   to remove them all18:17
Riddellulysses: groovy18:18
Riddellulysses: now make it into a tar.gz file with the right name18:18
DarkwingDuckneversfelde: Kubuntu LoCo DE have a website?18:18
Riddellwhich is huphp_0.0~svn77.orig.tar.gz18:18
neversfeldeDarkwingDuck: yes kubuntu-de.org18:18
DarkwingDuckty18:19
txwikingerDarkwingDuck: It is German though18:20
DarkwingDuckI noticed :D18:20
neversfeldenot surprising :)18:21
Riddellulysses: now in a separate directory download an existing package so you can copy the packaging as a template18:21
Riddellulysses: skanlite might be suitable18:21
DarkwingDuckI figured it would be18:21
RiddellScottK: I'm currently doing qt 4.7.1 so if you have success with ARM add to the bzr packaging rather than uploading18:22
Riddellulysses: copy the debian/ directory from inside the skanlite package into the hupnp source directory18:22
Riddellulysses: go to the huphp sources18:23
Riddellulysses: move the debian/ directory inside the huphp source directory18:23
Riddellulysses: hmm, we have our directories wrong18:24
Riddellulysses: what is herqq ?18:24
ulyssesRiddell: in svn the directories looks like hupnp/trunk/herqq/18:26
DarkwingDuckOh wow... My system resources are being eaten alive by VBox18:26
ulysseswhich contains the hupnp18:26
Riddellulysses: ok remove the tar.gz18:27
Riddellulysses: we want the herqq to be that tar.gz18:27
Riddellulysses: hmm, I think it still needs moved a directory up18:29
Riddellulysses: let me do it18:29
Riddellulysses: right, think that's it18:30
Riddellulysses: it doesn't help that I keep mis-naming it huphp instead of hupnp18:30
Riddellulysses: so now we have our sources in the .tar.gz and the debian directory in the extracted sources18:31
Riddellulysses: in the debian/ directory we need to edit each of the files 18:31
Riddellulysses: what's your favourite console text editor?18:31
ulyssesRiddell: nano18:32
Riddellulysses: groovy, open up the first file in the debian/ directory18:33
Riddellulysses: remove all but the top entry in there18:33
Riddellulysses: then fix all the details in the top entry18:33
Riddellulysses: date -R tell you how to fix the date18:35
Riddellulysses: groovy, open up the next file in debian/18:37
Riddellulysses: that file just tell the version that the debhelper scripts should run in18:38
Riddellwe want them to run with version 7 behaviour so that's all good18:38
Riddellopen the next file18:38
Riddellulysses: for each field in that file put in the correct details for hupnp18:39
Riddellulysses: you can delete the vcs- lines18:43
Riddelluploaders too18:43
Riddelland I think for build-depends we want libqt4-dev and debhelper and that's all18:43
Riddellulysses: likewise, update the details there18:46
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Riddellulysses: we don't need any patches, you can remove that directory18:56
Riddellulysses: right18:59
Riddellulysses: this is where it can get fiddly18:59
Riddellulysses: this is a makefile that contains the rules to compile, install and build the packaging18:59
Riddellulysses: the debhelper scripts abstract it out to a very large extent19:00
DarkwingDuckRiddell: for backporting the Docs to reflect 4.5... I just create my own PPA for it correct? Instead of committing to kubuntu-docs/maverick correct?19:00
Riddellulysses: so with any luck all we'll need is the %: rule19:00
Riddellulysses: so remove everything in that file except the top line and the %: rule 19:00
Riddellulysses: and remove the "--with kde" switch too19:01
Riddellulysses: remove the get-orig-source: and print-version: rules too19:03
Riddellulysses: groovy, what's next?19:03
ulyssesdebhelper!19:03
Riddellulysses: there's more files to edit first19:04
Riddellor delete19:04
Riddellthat looks fine, no changes19:04
Riddellulysses: just remove the watch, there's no upstream releases to watch19:05
Riddellulysses: that's the last one?19:05
ulyssesRiddell: no more in debian/19:05
Riddellulysses: groovy, any questions before we see if it all works?19:06
ulyssesRiddell: nothing now19:06
Riddellulysses: debuild  is the magic command to start the build19:06
Riddellrun that and cross fingers19:06
Riddellhah19:07
ulysses:D19:07
Riddellfailed at the first step :)19:07
Riddellgo ahead, you have sudo access19:07
Riddellneeds "sudo"19:07
Riddellulysses: no config19:07
danttiRiddell: for a package to get into mav updates first it has to got proposed?19:10
Riddellulysses: needs kdelibs5-dev installed19:10
Riddell(although kdelibs5-dev can be changed to libqt4-dev)19:10
Riddelldantti: yes, then tested and a week's waiting time19:10
DarkwingDuckneversfelde: do you know of any brochures or anything of that sort that the DE team has created?19:11
danttiRiddell: hmm right that't why the packagekit-aptcc patch never comes out :P19:11
Riddellulysses: ooh, it's compiling!19:12
ulysses\o/19:12
neversfeldeDarkwingDuck: uh, you should talk to blizzz, he and Monika are telling people about Kubuntu on events19:12
DarkwingDuckneversfelde: awesome. thanks. They lurk in #kubuntu-de?19:13
Riddelldantti: it's in progress, bug 63300819:13
ubottuLaunchpad bug 633008 in packagekit (Ubuntu Maverick) "[Maverick] kpackagekit won't honor apt proxy setings" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63300819:13
Riddellneeds someone to verify it now19:14
danttiRiddell: yes I saw, I was just wondering what was proposed19:14
bulldog98neversfelde: I told them on LinuxTag and we’ve got something DarkwingDuck19:14
Riddelldantti: it's a deliberatly slow process, bugs in releases are annoying but broken updates are really bad19:15
DarkwingDuckbulldog98: Awesome!19:15
danttiRiddell: true19:16
neversfeldeDarkwingDuck: blizzz is here, if he is onliney19:16
neversfelde-y19:16
neversfeldeI do not know about Monika19:16
DarkwingDuck*nods*19:16
DarkwingDuckbulldog98: Do you have PDFs or other Downloads?19:18
Riddellulysses: mmm19:19
bulldog98DarkwingDuck: hm I don’t know blizzz and Monika made it mainly (I mostly helped with telling about Kubuntu)19:19
DarkwingDuckbulldog98: thanks! I'll ask them what I see them. I couldn't find it on the wiki at kubuntu-de.org19:20
neversfeldeDarkwingDuck: I am sure that blizzz will be online later19:20
Riddellulysses: we have our .deb !19:20
DarkwingDuckbulldog98, neversfelde thanks mates19:21
ulyssesRiddell: let's drink!19:21
Riddellulysses: do you have an account on revu?19:21
ulyssesRiddell: yes I do19:22
Riddellulysses: right let's try and build a source package from this19:22
Riddellulysses: run   debuild -S19:22
Riddellulysses: now qmake shows it's usualy rubbishness19:23
Riddellqmake always fails to have  make clean  do anything sensible19:23
Riddellulysses: so you'll need to edit debian/rules and add in a rule to remove those files manually19:23
Riddellulysses: needs to look like this19:24
Riddelloverride_dh_clean:19:24
Riddell<tab>rm -f <files to remove>19:25
Riddell<tab>dh_clean19:25
Riddellulysses: the rm command is from the wrong directory level19:28
Riddelljust "hupnp/bin/" should be it19:28
Riddellulysses: ?19:29
ulyssesRiddell: sorry19:30
Riddellhmm, we want to keep that directory19:30
RiddellI think it'll need to be   lib* rather than just *19:30
Riddellulysses: also in debian/changelog there's an extra space needed between the e-mail and the date19:30
Riddellthat's the other thing it's moaning about19:31
Riddellulysses: awesome!19:32
Riddellulysses: now you want to scp the .dsc .debian.tar.gz and .orig.tar.gz and .changes file to your local computer19:32
Riddelldebsign foo.changes19:32
Riddelldput revu foo.changes19:32
Riddellulysses: any questions?19:33
Riddellulysses: you'll need to run the scp command on your local computer (unless you have a way to do it from the outside world into yours)19:33
ulyssesRiddell: signed19:37
Riddellulysses: and uploaded to revu?19:40
DarkwingDuckI actually found a usefull plug-in for firefox19:42
DarkwingDuckOnline website translation tool19:42
ulyssesChecksum doesn't match for /home/ulysses/Dev/hupnp_0.0~svn77-0ubuntu0.debian.tar.gz19:43
Riddeller, huh?19:44
ulysseshttp://pastebin.com/CQHmsnpw19:45
Riddell>md5sum hupnp_0.0~svn77-0ubuntu0.debian.tar.gz19:45
Riddellb74369f7d4359d2755da8819b42a6ef5  hupnp_0.0~svn77-0ubuntu0.debian.tar.gz19:45
Riddellulysses: do you agree?19:45
ulyssesRiddell: I agree19:46
Riddellulysses: what if you run  dpkg-source -x hupnp_0.0~svn77-0ubuntu0.dsc19:47
Riddelllocally19:47
ulyssesit extracts the file, but can't verify the signature19:48
ulyssesthat's my signature-.- stupid19:49
Riddellulysses: dunno, try running  debuild -S -sa  in the local source you have19:51
ulyssesRiddell: ready19:53
Riddellulysses: then dput the new .changes file19:53
ulyssespfff, checksum doesn't match19:55
Riddellulysses: does running md5sum hupnp_0.0~svn77-0ubuntu0.debian.tar.gz  match the value in the .changes file?19:56
ulyssesseems not19:59
Riddellulysses: I've no idea, I uploaded it to revu, worked fine20:01
Riddellulysses: so next step is to get people to review it on revu20:01
Riddellulysses: you can also start on packaging the kioslave20:01
Riddellulysses: I need to go out now20:01
Riddellulysses: do you want me to keep that server running or shall I shut it down?20:02
ulyssesRiddell: me too, I'll go to a party, good luck20:02
ulyssesRiddell: shut it down20:02
Riddellok I'll kill it20:02
Riddellwell done on your first package ulysses!20:02
ulyssesRiddell: thanks20:02
CIA-42[muon] jmthomas * 1197434 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/categories.xml Add apps with the category of "system" to the category containing "settings" and rename from "Themes & Tweaks" to "System & Settings"20:15
apacheloggerRiddell: lemma tells me the new securities storage thingy will have pam integration thing stuff implemented20:31
CIA-42[muon] jmthomas * 1197439 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/CategoryView/ (Category.cpp Category.h CategoryViewWidget.cpp) Add an "All" subcategory to categories with subcategories20:40
ScottKRiddell: No success yet.20:42
=== hrw|n900 is now known as hrw
QuintasanWOLOLOLOL21:54
* Quintasan has test from Word on IT21:55
yofelQuintasan: any estimate when you'll fix SIP in neon ppa? as currently enabling the ppa isn't really that good an idea if you plan to use pykde :/21:56
Quintasanyofel: The estimate is that I'm waiting for reply from Debian or at least from ScottK21:57
QuintasanNo worries, we will fix that sooner than kdebindings :P21:57
yofelLOL, sure21:57
* Quintasan is trying to create a mass-bzr-update script22:01
Quintasanand it works!22:01
QuintasanHA HA HA!22:02
Quintasanfor a in *; cd /home/quintasan/Sauce/packaging/project-neon/packaging/${a} && bzr pull22:02
QuintasanMAGIC22:02
Quintasanshadeslayer: So we did get apport hookz on UDS? Great!22:02
Quintasanwell, you might have told we did but I must have forgotten :P22:03
* yofel wrote that script a long time ago :P22:06
Quintasan...22:06
QuintasanNoone popped out with a solution when I asked :P22:06
yofelsry22:06
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ScottKRiddell: Don't wait on my arm stuff  to upload Qt 4.7.1.  AFAICT, Qt is now fixed, but they just broke GCC so it dies a different, not Qt's fault, way.22:37
RiddellScottK: I'm confused, it Qt isn't compiling and we have a patch to change that then surely we want that patch?23:00
ScottKRiddell: Until I can get it to build (and I can't due to the other problem) I've got no way to know if the patch is correct.23:04
ScottKI'm currently trying to build with the older GCC.23:04
gp[8]ih guys...found a bug? If I use a password with with non-alphanumeric ("special" characters like ì è ò à) kdesudo not longer accepts the password . Is normal?23:52

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