[00:04] <afiestas__> ScottK: well, you can put me in contact with that team
[00:22] <apparle> can someone help me configure kremotecontrol or kdelirc
[00:34] <ScottK> afiestas__: Can you join #ubuntu-x.  I'll introduce you.
[00:35] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1197143 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (CategoryView/Category.cpp categories.xml) More icons, and handle fallback for an empty icon XML element
[00:38] <afiestas__> ScottK: brb 5min
[04:46] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1197229 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (3 files in 2 dirs) Add forward/back buttons to the breadcrumb. Doing this required some crumb management code to be moved from AbstractViewContainer to BreadcrumbWidget, but it needed to be moved there anyways.
[04:56] <ScottK> Riddell, apachelogger, JontheEchidna, other council members: We need to have a post-UDS review of stuff and agree on it.
[05:13] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1197230 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/AbstractViewContainer.cpp We don't really need this check; QStackedWidget handles this case gracefuly.
[05:19] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1197231 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (3 files in 2 dirs) (log message trimmed)
[05:19] <CIA-42> Optimize: The Category class doesn't really need any QObject features since it
[05:19] <CIA-42> is mainly a control structure surrounding a chunk of an XML file. Also fix a
[05:26] <JontheEchidna> blah, GPU hang
[05:27] <JontheEchidna> about time I should get to bed anyways
[05:49] <roinux> hi there
[05:50] <roinux> somebody know about programming for USB ports
[05:50] <roinux> ?
[05:56] <valorie> hey there, roinux
[05:56] <valorie> hopefully someone is awake and aware here
[05:56] <valorie> like maybe apachelogger?
[05:57] <valorie> or maybe ScottK is still up?
[05:59] <DarkwingDuck> I'm awake but I know nothing.
[06:00] <valorie> do you know of any likely channels for roinux?
[06:00] <valorie> hardware oriented chans?
[06:01] <roinux> what?
[06:01] <valorie> I know nothing ofUSB beyond knowing how to plug one in
[06:02] <roinux> do u know other chns?
[06:03] <valorie> roinux: searching for "hardware", I see two likely ones: ##hardware and #openhardware
[06:04] <valorie> the first one has lots of people, the second is for developers, and has only 5 people
[06:04] <valorie> possibly good to hang out in both
[06:08] <valorie> ~np
[06:08] <valorie> oops, sorry
[09:33] <geekosopher> just curious, why are we not packaging handbooks of all the apps installed by default in kubuntu, e.g. the akgregator, kmail, etc. The handbooks are there at docs.kde.org
[09:36] <geekosopher> if it is lack of manpower, with proper guidance, I will be more than willing to volunteer
[09:41] <apachelogger> it is the lack of disc space, which of course does not mean you could not be volunteering eitherway ^^
[09:45] <valorie> geekosopher: where should they be?
[09:46] <geekosopher> valorie: in the helpcenter
[09:46] <valorie> problem with having docs in more than one place, is that when one copy is edited, does that travel over to the other copy?
[09:46] <valorie> oh, I see what you mean
[09:46] <valorie> maybe we should make the docs available as help-files
[09:46] <valorie> when people install apps?
[09:47] <apachelogger> ...disc space...
[09:47] <valorie> oops, I read your first statement again
[09:47] <geekosopher> apachelogger: we have docs for knetattach and krdc which might be not as important/popular as kmail and reqonk
[09:47] <geekosopher> but then its just my opinion
[09:47] <valorie> perhaps those could be downloaded along with updates
[09:48] <valorie> IF people are online as they are installing
[09:48] <geekosopher> yes, if disk space is the contraint we can/should do that
[09:48] <valorie> question: are they on the dvd?
[09:49] <valorie> nice to meet you, geekosopher
[09:49] <valorie> I'm a new member of the docs team
[09:49] <geekosopher> valorie: nice to meet you too
[09:49] <geekosopher> and welcome to docs team :)
[09:50] <valorie> DarkwingDuck is our fearless leader
[09:50] <geekosopher> i see very less of him lately, either on channel or mailing list
[09:51] <valorie> well, at UDS we all gave our all
[09:51] <valorie> and only apachelogger and Riddell still are going strong
[09:51] <apachelogger> maybe he got the nixternal disease
[09:51] <valorie> maybe shadeslayer
[09:52] <valorie> because apachelogger beats him, I think
[09:52] <apachelogger> I do no such thing, well, not physical anyway
[09:52] <geekosopher> apachelogger: is that infectious? ;)
[09:52] <valorie> how DO you have so much energy, apachelogger?
[09:52] <apachelogger> geekosopher: I have no idea, little is know about it ;)
[09:53] <valorie> "not physical anyway"
[09:53] <valorie> lol
[09:53] <geekosopher> :D
[09:53] <apachelogger> valorie: vast amounts of ... calculus
[09:53] <valorie> !
[09:53] <valorie> calc did give me energy too -- to get far, far away from it
[09:54] <apachelogger> it's all magic from my POV
[09:55] <valorie> I think I was a bit too young to appreciate the magic
[09:57] <apachelogger> well, imagine someone pulling a rabbit out of an epsilon
[09:58] <apachelogger> surely the epsilon was too big if a rabbit fits in
[09:58] <valorie> wow, that makes me think of you wearing your wizard's hat
[09:58] <apachelogger> ^^
[09:59] <geekosopher> apachelogger: do you think we will have a kde client for ubuntu-one soon?
[09:59] <apachelogger> nope
[09:59]  * geekosopher is thinking, apachelogger must have been tired of answering this
[09:59] <apachelogger> not unless someone steps up and does stuff
[10:00] <geekosopher> :(
[10:04] <valorie> I think you did your bit, apachelogger
[10:05] <valorie> someone picking it up might find the u1 devels more open-minded and thoughtful now
[10:05] <valorie> maybe
[10:23] <apachelogger> yeah
[10:56] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ooh, Neon is nearly done, should I try it out?
[10:56] <Riddell> ScottK: time for a meeting?
[11:00] <davmor2> Riddell: wait till after the meeting :D
[11:04] <jussi> o/
[11:07] <ScottK> Riddell: I think so.
[11:15] <jussi> JontheEchidna: about?
[12:59] <shadeslayer> Riddell: now has a Xsession entry as well
[12:59] <shadeslayer> the base install is done
[13:02] <Riddell> shadeslayer: awooga
[13:02] <Riddell> shadeslayer: time to do some PR on it?
[13:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: not for some time no... ( wrt to konqueror shortcuts ) .... last exam tmmrw and after that i have a stack of assignments to complete :P
[13:03] <shadeslayer> Riddell: we need to export some vars before we can do some PR
[13:03] <shadeslayer> so i think we should wait a wee bit more
[13:03] <Riddell> shadeslayer: aww, ok
[13:05] <shadeslayer> Riddell: are the official canonical pics any good
[13:06] <Riddell> shadeslayer: pics of what?
[13:06] <shadeslayer> Official UDS Party pics
[13:06] <shadeslayer> or thats what the subject says
[13:06] <Riddell> dunno, not seen any
[13:06]  * apachelogger puts on his doctor zoidberg costume and scuttles off to the lands of calculus
[13:07] <shadeslayer> calculus ftw
[13:10] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://www.hello-usa.com/YouSendIt/default.asp?id=89768652
[13:12] <shadeslayer> Riddell: btw in project neon, kwin doesnt start automagically, you need to start the project neon kwin seprately
[13:13] <Riddell> why is that?
[13:13] <shadeslayer> dunno
[13:14] <shadeslayer> possibly wrong cache, and incorrect vars et all
[13:14] <shadeslayer> why oh why does the N8 not have Android/Meego
[13:14] <shadeslayer> :'(
[13:15] <Riddell> because it's made by Nokia who don't use Android and Meego doesn't exist yet
[13:15] <shadeslayer> Riddell: why are they developing Meego? why not go with android
[13:17] <Riddell> nokia like to control their operating system
[13:18] <shadeslayer> oh oh oh oh 
[13:18] <shadeslayer> i think yofel_ fixed the vars and stuff
[13:18] <shadeslayer> ihttp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~neon/project-neon/meta-project-neon/revision/15
[13:18] <shadeslayer> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~neon/project-neon/meta-project-neon/revision/15
[13:18] <Riddell> and I doubt they expected android to be that successful, it's made by a company with no prior experience and uses a weird variant of a language that runs too slow on desktops
[13:20] <shadeslayer> hmm
[13:20] <shadeslayer> i should put in neonmake there
[13:25] <shadeslayer> Riddell: should i build kdebindings for lucid against  python-qt4 (>> 4.7.4) or  python-qt4 (>> 4.7.3) ?
[13:28] <Riddell> shadeslayer: why would it be 4.7.3 ?
[13:28] <shadeslayer> lucid doesnt have 4.7.4 ... 
[13:28] <shadeslayer> and we ported 4.7.3 to lucid
[13:29] <Riddell> go with that then
[13:29] <shadeslayer> so downgrade  python-qt4 for kdebindings for lucid
[13:29] <shadeslayer> ok
[13:54] <tazz> Riddell, cant we say the same thing about apple and iphone ?
[13:56] <ScottK> tazz: We can.
[14:22] <apachelogger> gstreamer is totally supreme!
[14:22] <apachelogger> qgraphicsitem for phonon working awesomely with gst backend
[14:22] <apachelogger> well, until it runs out of memory, but that is a different story ^^
[14:24] <Riddell> apachelogger: so we should change to gstreamer toot sweet?
[14:24] <apachelogger> we could
[14:24]  * apachelogger just needs to polish up the dvdmenu stuff with callbcks and then that show stopper is gone too
[14:54] <apachelogger> cool
[14:54] <apachelogger> umbrello segfault
[14:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: is actually anyone working on umbrello?
[14:58] <Riddell> apachelogger: nobody :(
[14:58] <Riddell> it has been bitrotting for years
[14:58] <apachelogger> very noticable to the user I might say :(
[14:59] <apachelogger> error: That name is already being used.
[14:59] <apachelogger> just in another namepsace... -.-
[15:04] <ScottK> afiestas: It looked like you and RAOF had a good conversation yesterday.
[15:05] <afiestas> ScottK: yes, we've to catchup first, but the work  he's doing is very interesting and needed
[15:06] <ScottK> afiestas: I hope you'll be able to make something great for KDE out of it too.
[15:08] <afiestas> ScottK: we'll try 
[15:10] <ScottK> Excellent.
[15:14] <apachelogger> afiestas: if you need a minion, dantti offered one I recall ;)
[15:14] <apachelogger> afiestas: btw, did you get a chance to look at the bludevil bugs?
[15:14]  * apachelogger is surprised by how little calculus he is exercising even though exam is tomorrow :O
[15:15] <afiestas> apachelogger: no, I didn't :/
[15:16] <afiestas> apachelogger: any specially annoying or critical?
[15:17] <apachelogger> well, they seemed a bit unprecise, I just thought you might want to check them out
[15:17]  * apachelogger knows next to nothing about bluetooth
[15:17] <apachelogger> but if there were unicorns with bluetooth I surely would get one for fregl
[15:18] <afiestas> apachelogger: xD will you guys make a fluffy sprint in the meego conference?
[15:18] <maco> hrmph. leatherbound.me doesn't work in rekonq but.. well at least as of a few days ago, it definitely worked in firefox
[15:18] <apachelogger> if only I had been invited to the meego conference!
[15:19] <apachelogger> that said, if only I didnt have calculus exam this week, I would have annoyed people to invite me!
[15:19] <maco> if ya type something and hit enter, with rekonq it asks where to save O_o
[15:19] <apachelogger> rekonq
[15:19] <afiestas> apachelogger: I thought I saw you here :/
[15:19]  * apachelogger giggles
[15:19] <apachelogger> silly rekonq
[15:20] <maco> (even konquerer does this right)
[15:20] <apachelogger> afiestas: must have been one of my clones
[15:20] <apachelogger> oh, shoot, no one was supposed to know about them
[15:20] <afiestas> xd
[15:20] <apachelogger> so, while we are bashing rekonq again ... is it me or does the back button not work on facebook
[15:20] <afiestas> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluedevil <-- right url?
[15:20] <maco> there's a back button on facebook?
[15:20] <apachelogger> yep
[15:20] <apachelogger> maco: I mean rekonq's
[15:20] <maco> or do you mean rekonq's back button doesnt work if you're on fb?
[15:20] <maco> that works fine for me
[15:20] <maco> ive been using rekonq for a few days now
[15:21] <apachelogger> the strangest thing
[15:21]  * apachelogger must get himself a more southern way of talking so he can say "the strangest thing" more often
[15:23] <apachelogger> someone really should verify bug 658728 that seems annoyingish horrible
[15:28] <dpm> hey apachelogger. Does it work for you with the German locale? The German translation seems to be nearly complete -> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/bluedevil/+pots/bluedevil
[15:29] <apachelogger> if only I used german locale
[15:30] <apachelogger> if only language-selector wasnt such a broken piece of rainbow
[15:30] <apachelogger> that reminds me, it needs a rewrite
[15:30] <apachelogger> dpm: did anyone pick up maintainership yet?
[15:31] <dpm> apachelogger, no, unfortunately not :(
[15:31] <dpm> anyway, I'll add a comment to the bug
[15:31] <apachelogger> :(
[15:32] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I have changed my JID to quintasan@chrome.pl , please auth if you want
[15:32] <apachelogger> java id?
[15:32] <Quintasan> jabber id
[15:32] <Quintasan> lol
[15:33] <apachelogger> silly acronyms
[15:33] <apachelogger> auth'd
[15:33] <apachelogger> lets do chit chat!
[15:41] <shadeslayer> heh
[15:42] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: request sent as well
[15:42] <apachelogger> Nightrose: Mit Quintasan darf nur noch Deutsch gesprochen werden, damit er Gelegenheit hat zum Ueben. ;)
[15:42] <shadeslayer> :D
[15:42] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: thy shall only talk german with Quintasan :P
[15:43]  * shadeslayer grabs google translate
[15:43]  * apachelogger is all in favor of implementing this a channel policy
[15:43] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: thy shall only talk in this channel in 0's and 1's
[15:43] <shadeslayer> or klingon
[15:44] <apachelogger> you bun too font does surely not do klingon
[15:44] <shadeslayer> use klingon font then ;)
[15:44] <Quintasan> Ja, ja, Deutch learnen macht Spass
[15:45] <apachelogger> total
[15:45] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: 001 1000 1001 0011 1101 0000 1011 0111 0011
[16:01] <Quintasan> Three things: 1. Tool for enabling NumLock @ KDM start 2. Why the hell plymouth theme looks normal on nouveau and like crap on nvidia drivers? 3. Anyone using KTorrent?
[16:02] <Quintasan> 4. Where did the PolicyKit Manager go?
[16:02] <Quintasan> ad. 4 apachelogger
[16:04] <apachelogger> Quintasan: Das KCM ist noch nicht auf polkit portiert, soweit ich weiss.
[16:04] <Quintasan> FFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
[16:04] <apachelogger> Quintasan: Ein Tool zum einschalten von numlock gibts in den System Einstellungen im Keyboard KCM.
[16:05]  * Quintasan wonders in what mess did he get himself into
[16:05] <apachelogger> Quintasan: Plymouth sieht mit nvidia nicht besonders ansprechend aus, weil nvidia kein KMS unterstuetzt oder sowas in der Art.
[16:06] <Quintasan> apachelogger: http://imagebin.ca/view/Rag3OJxB.html
[16:06] <Quintasan> it doesnt work
[16:06] <Quintasan> it is set to Turn on numlock and it is still off
[16:06] <Quintasan> damn
[16:07] <apachelogger> Quintasan: Ich glaub lex hat das fuer 10.10 gefixt? Zumindest gabs da nen Fehlerbericht, am besten Launchpad durchsuchen.
[16:10] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: 01110111 01101000 01100101 01101110 00100000 01110111 01101001 01101100 01101100 00100000 01110000 01110010 01101111 01101010 01100101 01100011 01110100 00101101 01101110 01100101 01101111 01101110 00100000 01100010 01100101 00100000 01110010 01100101 01100001 01100100 01111001 00111111
[16:11] <shadeslayer> wha
[16:11]  * apachelogger notes that communication via bit maps is a bit lengthy
[16:12] <Quintasan> apachelogger: 01010111 01101000 01100101 01101110 00100000 01111001 01101111 01110101 00100000 01110011 01110100 01101111 01110000 00100000 01110011 01110000 01100101 01100001 01101011 01101001 01101110 01100111 00100000 01000111 01100101 01110010 01101101 01100001 01101110 00100000 01110100 01101111 00100000 01101101 01100101
[16:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: 0110100101110100011100110010000001110010011001010110000101100100011110010010000001001110010011110101011100100001
[16:13]  * Quintasan 's pbuilders got rusty
[16:13] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: 01001001 01010100 00100000 01101001 01110011 00100000 01101110 01101111 01110100 00100000 01110010 01100101 01100001 01100100 01111001 00100000 01111001 01100101 01110100 00100000 01110011 01101001 01101110 01100011 01100101 00100000 01101011 01100100 01100101 01100010 01101001 01101110 01100100 01101001 01101110 01100111 01110011 00100000 01110011 01110100 01101001 01101100 01101100 00100000 01000110 01010100 01000010 
[16:13] <Quintasan> 01000110 01010011
[16:14] <apachelogger> ^^
[16:14] <apachelogger> madness
[16:14] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: 010101000110100001100001011101000111001100100000011110010110111101110101011100100010000001100110011000010111010101101100011101000010000001110100011010000110010101101110001000000011101001010000
[16:14] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: 01101100 01101111 01101100 00100000 01101110 01101111 00101100 00100000 01100010 01101100 01100001 01101101 01100101 00100000 01001011 01000100 01000101 01100111 01110101 01111001 01110011
[16:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: 01101000011011110111011100100000011001000110000101110010011001010010000001111001011011110111010100100000011100110111000001100101011000010110101100100000011010010110111000100000010000010101001101000011010010010100100100100001
[16:15] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: 011011000110010101110100011100110010000001101010011101010111001101110100001000000110001001101100011000010110110101100101001000000111100101101111011001100110010101101100
[16:15] <Quintasan> yofel_: 01110101 01110010 00100000 01100110 01100001 01110101 01101100 01110100
[16:16] <shadeslayer> 011011000110111101101100
[16:17] <shadeslayer>   libkonq5-dev: Depends: libkonq5 (= 4:4.4.2-0ubuntu2) but it is not going to be installed :: fun
[16:17] <Riddell> ahem
[16:17] <shtylman> please keep communication in english
[16:18] <shadeslayer> shtylman: that is english.... just encoded :P
[16:18] <shtylman> please keep communication in ascii english (decoded)
[16:18] <shadeslayer> hey... ASCII is also a coded language :P
[16:19] <apachelogger> boring
[16:19] <apachelogger> ....
[16:19] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: would have been more fun if we encrypted ASCII with gpg 
[16:19] <apachelogger> too much bloat
[16:20] <Quintasan> lolwut
[16:20] <Quintasan> how does one disable plymouth?
[16:20] <Quintasan> it's annoying
[16:20] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: disable in /etc/default/grub
[16:20] <shadeslayer> or something similar
[16:22] <shadeslayer> Riddell: does the l10n script do uploads as well?
[16:22] <shadeslayer> uploads to PPA et all
[16:26] <Riddell> shadeslayer: no
[16:26] <Riddell> shadeslayer: nor test builds (although I don't usually bother with test builds these days for l10n, takes so long)
[16:27] <Riddell> but I do test build a couple of them before upload
[16:28] <shadeslayer> so you upload each and everyone ?
[16:29] <Riddell> I do   for asdf in *changes; do dput ubuntu ${asdf}; done
[16:29] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[16:29] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Did you get your bluetooth stuff uploaded by somebody?
[16:29] <shadeslayer> nope
[16:30] <ScottK> Riddell: Could you have a look? ^^^
[16:30] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what's that?
[16:30] <shadeslayer> new bluedevil release
[16:30] <shadeslayer> https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/kde-extra
[16:32] <shadeslayer> for some odd reason kdepim did not find kdebase-runtime ....
[16:32] <shadeslayer> weirdness
[16:33]  * yofel_ feels like he just fell into lost in translation
[16:33] <yofel_> I'm not good in talking binary :P
[16:34] <Quintasan> brr
[16:35] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: are u using ktorrent?
[16:35] <shadeslayer> sometimes yes
[16:35] <Quintasan> and does it crash for you? let say in the middle of using it or upon exit?
[16:35] <shadeslayer> nope
[16:36] <shadeslayer> stupid kdepim ....
[16:37] <Riddell> shadeslayer: talking of bluedevil nobody has done the test for bug 658728
[16:37] <shadeslayer> didnt you say it works?
[16:37] <shadeslayer> i thought that was it
[16:38] <Riddell> I uploaded, I can't (or don't want to) validate my own upload
[16:39] <Riddell> shadeslayer: so 1.0 still doesn't come with translations?
[16:39] <shadeslayer> afaik no
[16:40] <Riddell> shadeslayer: uploaded!
[16:40] <shadeslayer> \o/
[16:44] <shadeslayer> any ideas why this is not picking up runtime? https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+build/2047767/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-amd64.kdepim_4:4.4.7-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[16:44] <shadeslayer> ( kdebase-runtime to be specific )
[16:48]  * apachelogger writes binary parser
[16:49] <hrw|n900> bluedevil 1.0 uploaded? nice and thanks
[16:49] <shadeslayer> hrw|n900: for natty :)
[16:49] <hrw|n900> will have to check. hope that DUN will be next
[16:49] <hrw|n900> shadeslayer: I do not use maverick+kde4 combo
[16:50] <shadeslayer> ohk
[16:50] <hrw|n900> shadeslayer: only efikasb runs maverick but 512mb ram is not enough for kde4
[16:50] <shadeslayer> aye
[16:51] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you are writing a very horrible dialect
[16:51] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: wha.. where?
[16:51] <apachelogger> binary without seperator
[16:51] <apachelogger> unreadable
[16:51] <shadeslayer> oic
[16:51] <apachelogger> my eyes are bleeding because of you
[16:51] <shadeslayer> hhaha :P
[16:52]  * apachelogger abuses std::string
[16:52] <hrw|n900> you should do octal - less bw used
[16:53] <shadeslayer> apachelogger:   kdepim-runtime: Depends: kdebase-runtime but it is not going to be installed : what am i doing wrong? :S
[16:53] <shadeslayer> from kdepim 4.4.7 in ninjas
[16:54] <Riddell> shadeslayer: well what happens when you install kdebase-runtime ?
[16:55] <shadeslayer> hmm.. seems kdebase-runtime isnt pulled in by builder -.-
[16:59] <apachelogger> poor thing
[17:00] <apachelogger> 01100111 01110100 01100111
[17:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: cya
[17:22] <apachelogger> how very magic
[17:22] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you should really find me another minion
[17:22] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: we should get dylan
[17:23] <shadeslayer> cant remember his nick
[17:23] <apachelogger> he is already shaped, I need raw material to form in my image!
[17:23] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[17:23] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: is one minion not enough? :P
[17:23] <apachelogger> no!
[17:24] <apachelogger> specially not if he delays renaming a package for multiple cycles :P
[17:24] <shadeslayer> ill do it next week :P
[17:25] <apachelogger> finding a minion?
[17:25] <shadeslayer> renaming the package
[17:26] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Besides, if you ever want to graduate from minion status, you need to find a replacement.
[17:26] <apachelogger> when will I get a minion?
[17:26] <shadeslayer> ScottK++
[17:26] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: weren't you supposed to find me minions?
[17:26] <ScottK> (not that there's much hope for that anytime soon judging on your UDS performance)
[17:26] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: go to #kubuntu :P
[17:26] <ScottK> shadeslayer: No, not a good source.  Need motivated people.
[17:27] <shadeslayer> ScottK: :O .... what happened?
[17:27] <ScottK> You promoted yourself to padwan and how long did that last?
[17:27] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: he is not kidding, I do not advocate applications to any sort of developer status unless there is a replacement minion
[17:27] <shadeslayer> ScottK: uh.. i didnt... afaik i was a minion all along
[17:28] <ScottK> Ah, it was such a short promotin he doesn't even remember it.
[17:28] <apachelogger> ^^
[17:28] <shadeslayer> seriously .... cant remember it
[17:28] <ScottK> apachelogger: See keybuck's comments on #ubuntu-devel.
[17:28] <ScottK> Nice parallel.
[17:28] <apachelogger> and he didnt even get no alcohol
[17:29] <shadeslayer> lol
[17:29] <apachelogger> ScottK: uhh, that is a fancy idea
[17:29] <shadeslayer> anyways... gtg and study now... cya
[17:29] <ulysses> Natty daily ISO almost worked \o/
[17:29] <Riddell> "almost"?
[17:30] <ulysses> I can't install my Broadcom driver
[17:30] <ScottK> OK.  That's ISO working and Jockey broken.
[17:31] <apachelogger> stupid jockey -.-
[17:32] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: where are my sambashare enabled test packages btw?
[17:32] <davmor2> ulysses: which broadcom driver did you tell it to use?
[17:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: isnt that supposed to be rbelems field?
[17:32] <shadeslayer> im probably migrating from packaging to coding :P
[17:32] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I signed you up for packaging
[17:33] <apachelogger> rbelem is a coding minion :P
[17:33] <ulysses> davmor2: BCM4312M
[17:33] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: fair enough... language-selector needs a rewrite
[17:33] <apachelogger> also stronger incorporation with kcm
[17:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: convert rbelem to packaging minion and im going to become coding minion
[17:33] <apachelogger> preferrably it had a C based core that can be shared across gtk and kde
[17:34] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: also you should prepare blog posts about neon
[17:34] <ulysses> ScottK: I tried 'apt-get install bcmwl-kernel-source', it builds the module, but can't update initramfs
[17:34]  * apachelogger wants one for users and one for launchpad fans (at least)
[17:34] <ScottK> ulysses: Are dkms and patch installed?
[17:35] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah.... last exam tomorrow ... ill see what i can whip up over the week and weekend
[17:35] <apachelogger> ultimately something generic too ... pitfalls with kde in a sandbox
[17:35] <ScottK> Beyond that, dunno
[17:35] <davmor2> ulysses: ah right so you're using the official one not the b43 driver
[17:35] <yofel> how is it supposed to update initramfs on a CD?
[17:35] <ulysses> ScottK: yes
[17:35] <ScottK> Not sure then.
[17:36] <ulysses> yofel: on an USB stick:)
[17:36] <shadeslayer> really going now
[17:36] <yofel> hm, not sure there, I thought kernel changes were impossible
[17:36] <apachelogger> ScottK: do we have a meeting date yet?
[17:36] <yofel> cu shadeslayer (make sure you plan some time for neon over the weekend too :P)
[17:37] <apachelogger> nothing going on in #kubuntu
[17:37] <apachelogger> boring channel
[17:37] <ulysses> Blur has to be disabled too, all widget and background is ugly gray with it
[17:39] <yofel>  #kubuntu-de is worse...
[17:40] <ScottK> apachelogger: Nope.
[17:40] <apachelogger> ok
[17:40] <apachelogger> yofel: because it should be merged into #ubuntu-de....
[17:41] <apachelogger> ScottK: shouldnt kdesudo have max window size?
[17:41] <neversfelde> yofel: why?
[17:41] <apachelogger> the dialog seems incredibly large
[17:41] <apachelogger> on netbook that is
[17:41] <ScottK> apachelogger: kdesudo needs to specify that.
[17:41] <yofel> neversfelde: I'm counting lines_per_hour
[17:41] <ScottK> I agree it should though.
[17:42] <apachelogger> okidoki
[17:42] <neversfelde> yofel: there is traffic in it, probably not in the afternoon or morning, but in the evening and at weekends 
[17:42] <apachelogger> ScottK: do you have an example patch for such a change?
[17:42] <ScottK> apachelogger: No.  
[17:43] <neversfelde> yofel: from my point of view it makes sense, because I only give support for kubuntu related things and I could not do this in #ubuntu-de
[17:43] <ScottK> neversfelde: Why couldn't you?
[17:43] <neversfelde> ScottK: too much traffic and no time to filter the important things
[17:43] <ScottK> OK.
[17:44] <apachelogger> brrrr, kdesudo code style is scary
[17:44] <apachelogger> now I remember why I didnt like hacking on it ^^
[17:44] <ScottK> That may not be the best place to try and fix it, but it seems unfortunate that Germany has two completely separate locos.
[17:44] <Riddell> ossi was talking about putting kdesudo into kde svn
[17:44] <ScottK> apachelogger: Then go make Tonio come back.
[17:44] <neversfelde> ScottK: yes, for seven years or more
[17:44] <apachelogger> maybe sending cookies helps
[17:44]  * Riddell compiles qt 4.7.1
[17:44] <apachelogger> Riddell: git?
[17:44] <apachelogger> only git is option :P
[17:45] <Riddell> apachelogger: kdebase
[17:45] <apachelogger> scary
[17:45] <ScottK> neversfelde: Is it something that could be changed in the future?
[17:45] <ulysses> Riddell: UPnP MediaServer KIOslave and HUPNP compiles and works now well on Lucid, what's next?
[17:46] <Riddell> ulysses: get them both packaged!
[17:46] <Riddell> ulysses: do you know where to start?
[17:46] <ulysses> Riddell: nope
[17:46] <Riddell> ulysses: want to work on it now along with me?
[17:47] <neversfelde> ScottK: I am not sure, if this should change, we could never represent Kubuntu in the way we do, if we are part of a larger team. Better sharing of resources and knowledge would be great.
[17:47] <apachelogger> bashing ruby!
[17:47] <apachelogger> omg!
[17:47] <ulysses> Riddell: yes
[17:48] <Riddell> ulysses: let me set up a server
[17:49] <ScottK> neversfelde: Would you be willing to work on better sharing between the Ubuntu and Kubuntu teams in Germany?
[17:52] <neversfelde> ScottK: I am not very active in loco work, only support and translating. The people who are organizing the booths on the linux events, might have more info
[17:52] <Riddell> ulysses: where is your public ssh key?
[17:53] <ScottK> neversfelde: At UDS, DarkwingDuck agreed to work on helping Kubuntu and Ubuntu people work better together in the locos.  Would you be able/willing to help him get connected to the right people for Kubuntu in Germany?
[17:53] <neversfelde> nobody knows the reason, why there are two groups, well except for amu, but I heard he got lost in the WoW universe
[17:53] <neversfelde> ScottK: sure, I already have this on my todo
[17:53] <ScottK> Excellent.
[17:53] <ulysses> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~ulysses/+sshkeys
[17:55] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: I thought you said you found yourself a minion... :P:P
[17:55] <apachelogger> didnt work out as planed
[17:55] <DarkwingDuck> :)
[17:55] <DarkwingDuck> starcraftman is a good candidate for you apachelogger 
[17:56]  * apachelogger sends flowers to starcraftman
[17:56] <apachelogger> starcraftman: wanna be my minion?
[17:56] <DarkwingDuck> Don't know if he is currently activ but, he was asking how to get involved in here.
[17:57] <DarkwingDuck> hey sheytan 
[17:57] <sheytan> DarkwingDuck hey
[17:58] <apachelogger> eeek
[17:58] <Riddell> ulysses: ssh ubuntu@ec2-75-101-254-225.compute-1.amazonaws.com
[17:58] <apachelogger> snapshot should also not be fullscreened
[17:58] <Riddell> ulysses: then run  screen -x
[17:58] <apachelogger> ScottK: maybe we should just define non-maximizing window rules?
[17:58] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[17:58] <ScottK> apachelogger: I think you should join #plasma-netbook and discuss it with notmart.
[17:58] <ulysses> Riddell: I'm in
[17:59] <Riddell> ulysses: you are?
[17:59] <ulysses> Riddell: ubuntu   pts/1        Mon Nov 15 17:58   still logged in    38.16ec54.tvnetwork.hu
[18:00] <ulysses> that's me
[18:00] <Riddell> ulysses: and the screen session too?
[18:00] <ulysses> Riddell: yes
[18:00] <Riddell> ulysses: type something
[18:01] <Riddell> ooh it works
[18:01] <Riddell> ulysses: groovy, so where's this hupnp?
[18:01] <neversfelde> btw. it is not as worse as it seems in germany, it seems to be correct, that there were differences between ubuntuusers.de and kubuntu.de, but I can't hardly remember about it and I think I am one of the oldest team members. Currently we maintain a forum with 19 k of users (and we deleted the inactive people some time ago) a wiki focussed on Kubuntu, further a portal wich translates nearly every news from kubuntu.org. We just got a
[18:01] <neversfelde>  new sponsor for the next two years and we have a booth on every big linux event
[18:02] <ulysses> Riddell: we need the svn version 'svn co https://hupnp.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/hupnp hupnp'
[18:02] <Riddell> I think we should be happy we have active kubuntu loco activity in germany and put any resources into getting active loco activity elsewhere
[18:02] <neversfelde> so I think it is not an option to shut this all down and merge
[18:03] <Riddell> ulysses: we want trunk right?
[18:03] <ulysses> Riddell: right
[18:04] <apachelogger> "Your request has been received. Expect to receive an email shortly." - that is one of my most beloved launchpad features
[18:04] <Riddell> ulysses: groovy, how do we get it compiled?
[18:04] <DarkwingDuck> neversfelde: who is the contact for the kubuntu-loco there?
[18:04] <ulysses> Riddell: qmake; make; make install
[18:04] <neversfelde> but I will ask some people, about working together in a more efficient way
[18:05] <ulysses> Riddell: qmake PREFIX=/usr
[18:05] <neversfelde> DarkwingDuck: official contact is txwikinger, but he is living in Canada. You can talk to blizzz, mcas and ofcourse to me
[18:06]  * DarkwingDuck ponders
[18:06] <neversfelde> DarkwingDuck: any details about your plans getting ubuntu and kubuntu people together in locos?
[18:06] <DarkwingDuck> That's what I'm pondering :D
[18:06] <txwikinger> I thought there are already together in most LoCos
[18:07] <DarkwingDuck> Here in the US we all kinda hang out together but, the Kubuntu people feel slightly left out.
[18:07] <neversfelde> DarkwingDuck: we could have a session about it in #ubuntu-meeting, I guess the people from Finland are interested too
[18:08] <DarkwingDuck> What I'm trying to do is figure out how to get the other flav... siblings feel as included within the community
[18:08] <neversfelde> and I think there are at least two other Kubuntu only groups, one somewhere in South America and one in Iran afair
[18:08] <txwikinger> In Canada we do not have (yet) any problems between the flavors
[18:09] <DarkwingDuck> We don't have problems per se, what we have is everything within the LoCos are Ubuntu.
[18:09] <neversfelde> same here, there are two groups, nobody is in conflict with the other one
[18:09] <DarkwingDuck> You mention 'but I use kubuntu' and you get 'thats nice'
[18:09] <neversfelde> we seem too have different interests and different ways of working
[18:10] <DarkwingDuck> But, because example, in my LoCo us-ca I think there are onlya small handful of us kubuntu users
[18:10] <Riddell> ulysses: seems to be compiling away fine
[18:10] <ulysses> Riddell: HUPNP's author is very helpful
[18:11] <neversfelde> DarkwingDuck: that's different from Germany, we have a lot of Kubuntu users over here
[18:11] <DarkwingDuck> But, what I want to try and do is gather resources for those few Kubuntu users. Maybe put together pre-build slideshows, brochures ect ect for events and the like so that the Kubuntu people don't feel off
[18:11] <DarkwingDuck> *nods*
[18:12] <Riddell> ulysses: groovy compiled and installed
[18:12] <Riddell> ulysses: so it's ready to be packaged
[18:12] <DarkwingDuck> Opensource is still lost in the US.
[18:12] <neversfelde> DarkwingDuck: you should put this on a mailinglist, so that we can start the dialog. Let's see what happens
[18:12] <Riddell> ulysses: shall i tell you what to do and you go ahead and do it?
[18:12] <ulysses> Riddell: sure
[18:12] <Riddell> ulysses: firstly you need to make the .orig tar
[18:12] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah, I'm finally able to dedicate some time to Kubuntu after UDS :D
[18:13] <Riddell> ulysses: so I'd run something like find . -name .svn  and rm all those directories
[18:13] <Riddell> because we don't include them in packaging
[18:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: bug 658728 verified
[18:13] <DarkwingDuck> and I just singed my moustache
[18:14] <Riddell> apachelogger: yay, thanks
[18:15] <neversfelde> DarkwingDuck: great
[18:16] <Riddell> ulysses: ?
[18:17] <ulysses> Riddell: I did something wrong?
[18:17] <Riddell> ulysses: no you just stopped :)
[18:17] <Riddell> you can pipe the output to  xargs rm -rf   to remove them all
[18:18] <Riddell> ulysses: groovy
[18:18] <Riddell> ulysses: now make it into a tar.gz file with the right name
[18:18] <DarkwingDuck> neversfelde: Kubuntu LoCo DE have a website?
[18:18] <Riddell> which is huphp_0.0~svn77.orig.tar.gz
[18:18] <neversfelde> DarkwingDuck: yes kubuntu-de.org
[18:19] <DarkwingDuck> ty
[18:20] <txwikinger> DarkwingDuck: It is German though
[18:20] <DarkwingDuck> I noticed :D
[18:21] <neversfelde> not surprising :)
[18:21] <Riddell> ulysses: now in a separate directory download an existing package so you can copy the packaging as a template
[18:21] <Riddell> ulysses: skanlite might be suitable
[18:21] <DarkwingDuck> I figured it would be
[18:22] <Riddell> ScottK: I'm currently doing qt 4.7.1 so if you have success with ARM add to the bzr packaging rather than uploading
[18:22] <Riddell> ulysses: copy the debian/ directory from inside the skanlite package into the hupnp source directory
[18:23] <Riddell> ulysses: go to the huphp sources
[18:23] <Riddell> ulysses: move the debian/ directory inside the huphp source directory
[18:24] <Riddell> ulysses: hmm, we have our directories wrong
[18:24] <Riddell> ulysses: what is herqq ?
[18:26] <ulysses> Riddell: in svn the directories looks like hupnp/trunk/herqq/
[18:26] <DarkwingDuck> Oh wow... My system resources are being eaten alive by VBox
[18:26] <ulysses> which contains the hupnp
[18:27] <Riddell> ulysses: ok remove the tar.gz
[18:27] <Riddell> ulysses: we want the herqq to be that tar.gz
[18:29] <Riddell> ulysses: hmm, I think it still needs moved a directory up
[18:29] <Riddell> ulysses: let me do it
[18:30] <Riddell> ulysses: right, think that's it
[18:30] <Riddell> ulysses: it doesn't help that I keep mis-naming it huphp instead of hupnp
[18:31] <Riddell> ulysses: so now we have our sources in the .tar.gz and the debian directory in the extracted sources
[18:31] <Riddell> ulysses: in the debian/ directory we need to edit each of the files 
[18:31] <Riddell> ulysses: what's your favourite console text editor?
[18:32] <ulysses> Riddell: nano
[18:33] <Riddell> ulysses: groovy, open up the first file in the debian/ directory
[18:33] <Riddell> ulysses: remove all but the top entry in there
[18:33] <Riddell> ulysses: then fix all the details in the top entry
[18:35] <Riddell> ulysses: date -R tell you how to fix the date
[18:37] <Riddell> ulysses: groovy, open up the next file in debian/
[18:38] <Riddell> ulysses: that file just tell the version that the debhelper scripts should run in
[18:38] <Riddell> we want them to run with version 7 behaviour so that's all good
[18:38] <Riddell> open the next file
[18:39] <Riddell> ulysses: for each field in that file put in the correct details for hupnp
[18:43] <Riddell> ulysses: you can delete the vcs- lines
[18:43] <Riddell> uploaders too
[18:43] <Riddell> and I think for build-depends we want libqt4-dev and debhelper and that's all
[18:46] <Riddell> ulysses: likewise, update the details there
[18:56] <Riddell> ulysses: we don't need any patches, you can remove that directory
[18:59] <Riddell> ulysses: right
[18:59] <Riddell> ulysses: this is where it can get fiddly
[18:59] <Riddell> ulysses: this is a makefile that contains the rules to compile, install and build the packaging
[19:00] <Riddell> ulysses: the debhelper scripts abstract it out to a very large extent
[19:00] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: for backporting the Docs to reflect 4.5... I just create my own PPA for it correct? Instead of committing to kubuntu-docs/maverick correct?
[19:00] <Riddell> ulysses: so with any luck all we'll need is the %: rule
[19:00] <Riddell> ulysses: so remove everything in that file except the top line and the %: rule 
[19:01] <Riddell> ulysses: and remove the "--with kde" switch too
[19:03] <Riddell> ulysses: remove the get-orig-source: and print-version: rules too
[19:03] <Riddell> ulysses: groovy, what's next?
[19:03] <ulysses> debhelper!
[19:04] <Riddell> ulysses: there's more files to edit first
[19:04] <Riddell> or delete
[19:04] <Riddell> that looks fine, no changes
[19:05] <Riddell> ulysses: just remove the watch, there's no upstream releases to watch
[19:05] <Riddell> ulysses: that's the last one?
[19:05] <ulysses> Riddell: no more in debian/
[19:06] <Riddell> ulysses: groovy, any questions before we see if it all works?
[19:06] <ulysses> Riddell: nothing now
[19:06] <Riddell> ulysses: debuild  is the magic command to start the build
[19:06] <Riddell> run that and cross fingers
[19:07] <Riddell> hah
[19:07] <ulysses> :D
[19:07] <Riddell> failed at the first step :)
[19:07] <Riddell> go ahead, you have sudo access
[19:07] <Riddell> needs "sudo"
[19:07] <Riddell> ulysses: no config
[19:10] <dantti> Riddell: for a package to get into mav updates first it has to got proposed?
[19:10] <Riddell> ulysses: needs kdelibs5-dev installed
[19:10] <Riddell> (although kdelibs5-dev can be changed to libqt4-dev)
[19:10] <Riddell> dantti: yes, then tested and a week's waiting time
[19:11] <DarkwingDuck> neversfelde: do you know of any brochures or anything of that sort that the DE team has created?
[19:11] <dantti> Riddell: hmm right that't why the packagekit-aptcc patch never comes out :P
[19:12] <Riddell> ulysses: ooh, it's compiling!
[19:12] <ulysses> \o/
[19:12] <neversfelde> DarkwingDuck: uh, you should talk to blizzz, he and Monika are telling people about Kubuntu on events
[19:13] <DarkwingDuck> neversfelde: awesome. thanks. They lurk in #kubuntu-de?
[19:13] <Riddell> dantti: it's in progress, bug 633008
[19:14] <Riddell> needs someone to verify it now
[19:14] <dantti> Riddell: yes I saw, I was just wondering what was proposed
[19:14] <bulldog98> neversfelde: I told them on LinuxTag and we’ve got something DarkwingDuck
[19:15] <Riddell> dantti: it's a deliberatly slow process, bugs in releases are annoying but broken updates are really bad
[19:15] <DarkwingDuck> bulldog98: Awesome!
[19:16] <dantti> Riddell: true
[19:16] <neversfelde> DarkwingDuck: blizzz is here, if he is onliney
[19:16] <neversfelde> -y
[19:16] <neversfelde> I do not know about Monika
[19:16] <DarkwingDuck> *nods*
[19:18] <DarkwingDuck> bulldog98: Do you have PDFs or other Downloads?
[19:19] <Riddell> ulysses: mmm
[19:19] <bulldog98> DarkwingDuck: hm I don’t know blizzz and Monika made it mainly (I mostly helped with telling about Kubuntu)
[19:20] <DarkwingDuck> bulldog98: thanks! I'll ask them what I see them. I couldn't find it on the wiki at kubuntu-de.org
[19:20] <neversfelde> DarkwingDuck: I am sure that blizzz will be online later
[19:20] <Riddell> ulysses: we have our .deb !
[19:21] <DarkwingDuck> bulldog98, neversfelde thanks mates
[19:21] <ulysses> Riddell: let's drink!
[19:21] <Riddell> ulysses: do you have an account on revu?
[19:22] <ulysses> Riddell: yes I do
[19:22] <Riddell> ulysses: right let's try and build a source package from this
[19:22] <Riddell> ulysses: run   debuild -S
[19:23] <Riddell> ulysses: now qmake shows it's usualy rubbishness
[19:23] <Riddell> qmake always fails to have  make clean  do anything sensible
[19:23] <Riddell> ulysses: so you'll need to edit debian/rules and add in a rule to remove those files manually
[19:24] <Riddell> ulysses: needs to look like this
[19:24] <Riddell> override_dh_clean:
rm -f <files to remove>
dh_clean
[19:28] <Riddell> ulysses: the rm command is from the wrong directory level
[19:28] <Riddell> just "hupnp/bin/" should be it
[19:29] <Riddell> ulysses: ?
[19:30] <ulysses> Riddell: sorry
[19:30] <Riddell> hmm, we want to keep that directory
[19:30] <Riddell> I think it'll need to be   lib* rather than just *
[19:30] <Riddell> ulysses: also in debian/changelog there's an extra space needed between the e-mail and the date
[19:31] <Riddell> that's the other thing it's moaning about
[19:32] <Riddell> ulysses: awesome!
[19:32] <Riddell> ulysses: now you want to scp the .dsc .debian.tar.gz and .orig.tar.gz and .changes file to your local computer
[19:32] <Riddell> debsign foo.changes
[19:32] <Riddell> dput revu foo.changes
[19:33] <Riddell> ulysses: any questions?
[19:33] <Riddell> ulysses: you'll need to run the scp command on your local computer (unless you have a way to do it from the outside world into yours)
[19:37] <ulysses> Riddell: signed
[19:40] <Riddell> ulysses: and uploaded to revu?
[19:42] <DarkwingDuck> I actually found a usefull plug-in for firefox
[19:42] <DarkwingDuck> Online website translation tool
[19:43] <ulysses> Checksum doesn't match for /home/ulysses/Dev/hupnp_0.0~svn77-0ubuntu0.debian.tar.gz
[19:44] <Riddell> er, huh?
[19:45] <ulysses> http://pastebin.com/CQHmsnpw
[19:45] <Riddell> >md5sum hupnp_0.0~svn77-0ubuntu0.debian.tar.gz
[19:45] <Riddell> b74369f7d4359d2755da8819b42a6ef5  hupnp_0.0~svn77-0ubuntu0.debian.tar.gz
[19:45] <Riddell> ulysses: do you agree?
[19:46] <ulysses> Riddell: I agree
[19:47] <Riddell> ulysses: what if you run  dpkg-source -x hupnp_0.0~svn77-0ubuntu0.dsc
[19:47] <Riddell> locally
[19:48] <ulysses> it extracts the file, but can't verify the signature
[19:49] <ulysses> that's my signature-.- stupid
[19:51] <Riddell> ulysses: dunno, try running  debuild -S -sa  in the local source you have
[19:53] <ulysses> Riddell: ready
[19:53] <Riddell> ulysses: then dput the new .changes file
[19:55] <ulysses> pfff, checksum doesn't match
[19:56] <Riddell> ulysses: does running md5sum hupnp_0.0~svn77-0ubuntu0.debian.tar.gz  match the value in the .changes file?
[19:59] <ulysses> seems not
[20:01] <Riddell> ulysses: I've no idea, I uploaded it to revu, worked fine
[20:01] <Riddell> ulysses: so next step is to get people to review it on revu
[20:01] <Riddell> ulysses: you can also start on packaging the kioslave
[20:01] <Riddell> ulysses: I need to go out now
[20:02] <Riddell> ulysses: do you want me to keep that server running or shall I shut it down?
[20:02] <ulysses> Riddell: me too, I'll go to a party, good luck
[20:02] <ulysses> Riddell: shut it down
[20:02] <Riddell> ok I'll kill it
[20:02] <Riddell> well done on your first package ulysses!
[20:02] <ulysses> Riddell: thanks
[20:15] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1197434 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/categories.xml Add apps with the category of "system" to the category containing "settings" and rename from "Themes & Tweaks" to "System & Settings"
[20:31] <apachelogger> Riddell: lemma tells me the new securities storage thingy will have pam integration thing stuff implemented
[20:40] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1197439 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/CategoryView/ (Category.cpp Category.h CategoryViewWidget.cpp) Add an "All" subcategory to categories with subcategories
[20:42] <ScottK> Riddell: No success yet.
[21:54] <Quintasan> WOLOLOLOL
[21:55]  * Quintasan has test from Word on IT
[21:56] <yofel> Quintasan: any estimate when you'll fix SIP in neon ppa? as currently enabling the ppa isn't really that good an idea if you plan to use pykde :/
[21:57] <Quintasan> yofel: The estimate is that I'm waiting for reply from Debian or at least from ScottK
[21:57] <Quintasan> No worries, we will fix that sooner than kdebindings :P
[21:57] <yofel> LOL, sure
[22:01]  * Quintasan is trying to create a mass-bzr-update script
[22:01] <Quintasan> and it works!
[22:02] <Quintasan> HA HA HA!
[22:02] <Quintasan> for a in *; cd /home/quintasan/Sauce/packaging/project-neon/packaging/${a} && bzr pull
[22:02] <Quintasan> MAGIC
[22:02] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: So we did get apport hookz on UDS? Great!
[22:03] <Quintasan> well, you might have told we did but I must have forgotten :P
[22:06]  * yofel wrote that script a long time ago :P
[22:06] <Quintasan> ...
[22:06] <Quintasan> Noone popped out with a solution when I asked :P
[22:06] <yofel> sry
[22:37] <ScottK> Riddell: Don't wait on my arm stuff  to upload Qt 4.7.1.  AFAICT, Qt is now fixed, but they just broke GCC so it dies a different, not Qt's fault, way.
[23:00] <Riddell> ScottK: I'm confused, it Qt isn't compiling and we have a patch to change that then surely we want that patch?
[23:04] <ScottK> Riddell: Until I can get it to build (and I can't due to the other problem) I've got no way to know if the patch is correct.
[23:04] <ScottK> I'm currently trying to build with the older GCC.
[23:52] <gp[8]> ih guys...found a bug? If I use a password with with non-alphanumeric ("special" characters like ì è ò à) kdesudo not longer accepts the password . Is normal?