[00:04] ScottK: well, you can put me in contact with that team [00:22] can someone help me configure kremotecontrol or kdelirc [00:34] afiestas__: Can you join #ubuntu-x. I'll introduce you. [00:35] [muon] jmthomas * 1197143 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (CategoryView/Category.cpp categories.xml) More icons, and handle fallback for an empty icon XML element [00:38] ScottK: brb 5min [04:46] [muon] jmthomas * 1197229 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (3 files in 2 dirs) Add forward/back buttons to the breadcrumb. Doing this required some crumb management code to be moved from AbstractViewContainer to BreadcrumbWidget, but it needed to be moved there anyways. [04:56] Riddell, apachelogger, JontheEchidna, other council members: We need to have a post-UDS review of stuff and agree on it. [05:13] [muon] jmthomas * 1197230 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/AbstractViewContainer.cpp We don't really need this check; QStackedWidget handles this case gracefuly. [05:19] [muon] jmthomas * 1197231 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (3 files in 2 dirs) (log message trimmed) [05:19] Optimize: The Category class doesn't really need any QObject features since it [05:19] is mainly a control structure surrounding a chunk of an XML file. Also fix a [05:26] blah, GPU hang [05:27] about time I should get to bed anyways === nhandler_ is now known as nhandler [05:49] hi there [05:50] somebody know about programming for USB ports [05:50] ? [05:56] hey there, roinux [05:56] hopefully someone is awake and aware here [05:56] like maybe apachelogger? [05:57] or maybe ScottK is still up? [05:59] I'm awake but I know nothing. [06:00] do you know of any likely channels for roinux? [06:00] hardware oriented chans? [06:01] what? [06:01] I know nothing ofUSB beyond knowing how to plug one in [06:02] do u know other chns? [06:03] roinux: searching for "hardware", I see two likely ones: ##hardware and #openhardware [06:04] the first one has lots of people, the second is for developers, and has only 5 people [06:04] possibly good to hang out in both [06:08] ~np [06:08] oops, sorry === hrw|gone is now known as hrw [09:33] just curious, why are we not packaging handbooks of all the apps installed by default in kubuntu, e.g. the akgregator, kmail, etc. The handbooks are there at docs.kde.org [09:36] if it is lack of manpower, with proper guidance, I will be more than willing to volunteer [09:41] it is the lack of disc space, which of course does not mean you could not be volunteering eitherway ^^ [09:45] geekosopher: where should they be? [09:46] valorie: in the helpcenter [09:46] problem with having docs in more than one place, is that when one copy is edited, does that travel over to the other copy? [09:46] oh, I see what you mean [09:46] maybe we should make the docs available as help-files [09:46] when people install apps? [09:47] ...disc space... [09:47] oops, I read your first statement again [09:47] apachelogger: we have docs for knetattach and krdc which might be not as important/popular as kmail and reqonk [09:47] but then its just my opinion [09:47] perhaps those could be downloaded along with updates [09:48] IF people are online as they are installing [09:48] yes, if disk space is the contraint we can/should do that [09:48] question: are they on the dvd? [09:49] nice to meet you, geekosopher [09:49] I'm a new member of the docs team [09:49] valorie: nice to meet you too [09:49] and welcome to docs team :) [09:50] DarkwingDuck is our fearless leader [09:50] i see very less of him lately, either on channel or mailing list [09:51] well, at UDS we all gave our all [09:51] and only apachelogger and Riddell still are going strong [09:51] maybe he got the nixternal disease [09:51] maybe shadeslayer [09:52] because apachelogger beats him, I think [09:52] I do no such thing, well, not physical anyway [09:52] apachelogger: is that infectious? ;) [09:52] how DO you have so much energy, apachelogger? [09:52] geekosopher: I have no idea, little is know about it ;) [09:53] "not physical anyway" [09:53] lol [09:53] :D [09:53] valorie: vast amounts of ... calculus [09:53] ! [09:53] calc did give me energy too -- to get far, far away from it [09:54] it's all magic from my POV [09:55] I think I was a bit too young to appreciate the magic [09:57] well, imagine someone pulling a rabbit out of an epsilon [09:58] surely the epsilon was too big if a rabbit fits in [09:58] wow, that makes me think of you wearing your wizard's hat [09:58] ^^ [09:59] apachelogger: do you think we will have a kde client for ubuntu-one soon? [09:59] nope [09:59] * geekosopher is thinking, apachelogger must have been tired of answering this [09:59] not unless someone steps up and does stuff [10:00] :( [10:04] I think you did your bit, apachelogger [10:05] someone picking it up might find the u1 devels more open-minded and thoughtful now [10:05] maybe [10:23] yeah [10:56] shadeslayer: ooh, Neon is nearly done, should I try it out? [10:56] ScottK: time for a meeting? [11:00] Riddell: wait till after the meeting :D [11:04] o/ [11:07] Riddell: I think so. [11:15] JontheEchidna: about? [12:59] Riddell: now has a Xsession entry as well [12:59] the base install is done [13:02] shadeslayer: awooga [13:02] shadeslayer: time to do some PR on it? [13:03] apachelogger: not for some time no... ( wrt to konqueror shortcuts ) .... last exam tmmrw and after that i have a stack of assignments to complete :P [13:03] Riddell: we need to export some vars before we can do some PR [13:03] so i think we should wait a wee bit more [13:03] shadeslayer: aww, ok [13:05] Riddell: are the official canonical pics any good [13:06] shadeslayer: pics of what? [13:06] Official UDS Party pics [13:06] or thats what the subject says [13:06] dunno, not seen any [13:06] * apachelogger puts on his doctor zoidberg costume and scuttles off to the lands of calculus [13:07] calculus ftw [13:10] Riddell: http://www.hello-usa.com/YouSendIt/default.asp?id=89768652 [13:12] Riddell: btw in project neon, kwin doesnt start automagically, you need to start the project neon kwin seprately [13:13] why is that? [13:13] dunno [13:14] possibly wrong cache, and incorrect vars et all [13:14] why oh why does the N8 not have Android/Meego [13:14] :'( [13:15] because it's made by Nokia who don't use Android and Meego doesn't exist yet [13:15] Riddell: why are they developing Meego? why not go with android [13:17] nokia like to control their operating system [13:18] oh oh oh oh [13:18] i think yofel_ fixed the vars and stuff [13:18] ihttp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~neon/project-neon/meta-project-neon/revision/15 [13:18] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~neon/project-neon/meta-project-neon/revision/15 [13:18] and I doubt they expected android to be that successful, it's made by a company with no prior experience and uses a weird variant of a language that runs too slow on desktops [13:20] hmm [13:20] i should put in neonmake there [13:25] Riddell: should i build kdebindings for lucid against python-qt4 (>> 4.7.4) or python-qt4 (>> 4.7.3) ? [13:28] shadeslayer: why would it be 4.7.3 ? [13:28] lucid doesnt have 4.7.4 ... [13:28] and we ported 4.7.3 to lucid [13:29] go with that then [13:29] so downgrade python-qt4 for kdebindings for lucid [13:29] ok [13:54] Riddell, cant we say the same thing about apple and iphone ? [13:56] tazz: We can. [14:22] gstreamer is totally supreme! [14:22] qgraphicsitem for phonon working awesomely with gst backend [14:22] well, until it runs out of memory, but that is a different story ^^ [14:24] apachelogger: so we should change to gstreamer toot sweet? [14:24] we could [14:24] * apachelogger just needs to polish up the dvdmenu stuff with callbcks and then that show stopper is gone too [14:54] cool [14:54] umbrello segfault [14:54] Riddell: is actually anyone working on umbrello? [14:58] apachelogger: nobody :( [14:58] it has been bitrotting for years [14:58] very noticable to the user I might say :( [14:59] error: That name is already being used. [14:59] just in another namepsace... -.- [15:04] afiestas: It looked like you and RAOF had a good conversation yesterday. [15:05] ScottK: yes, we've to catchup first, but the work he's doing is very interesting and needed [15:06] afiestas: I hope you'll be able to make something great for KDE out of it too. [15:08] ScottK: we'll try === hrw is now known as hrw|gone [15:10] Excellent. [15:14] afiestas: if you need a minion, dantti offered one I recall ;) [15:14] afiestas: btw, did you get a chance to look at the bludevil bugs? [15:14] * apachelogger is surprised by how little calculus he is exercising even though exam is tomorrow :O [15:15] apachelogger: no, I didn't :/ [15:16] apachelogger: any specially annoying or critical? [15:17] well, they seemed a bit unprecise, I just thought you might want to check them out [15:17] * apachelogger knows next to nothing about bluetooth [15:17] but if there were unicorns with bluetooth I surely would get one for fregl [15:18] apachelogger: xD will you guys make a fluffy sprint in the meego conference? [15:18] hrmph. leatherbound.me doesn't work in rekonq but.. well at least as of a few days ago, it definitely worked in firefox [15:18] if only I had been invited to the meego conference! [15:19] that said, if only I didnt have calculus exam this week, I would have annoyed people to invite me! [15:19] if ya type something and hit enter, with rekonq it asks where to save O_o [15:19] rekonq [15:19] apachelogger: I thought I saw you here :/ [15:19] * apachelogger giggles [15:19] silly rekonq [15:20] (even konquerer does this right) [15:20] afiestas: must have been one of my clones [15:20] oh, shoot, no one was supposed to know about them [15:20] xd [15:20] so, while we are bashing rekonq again ... is it me or does the back button not work on facebook [15:20] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluedevil <-- right url? [15:20] there's a back button on facebook? [15:20] yep [15:20] maco: I mean rekonq's [15:20] or do you mean rekonq's back button doesnt work if you're on fb? [15:20] that works fine for me [15:20] ive been using rekonq for a few days now [15:21] the strangest thing [15:21] * apachelogger must get himself a more southern way of talking so he can say "the strangest thing" more often [15:23] someone really should verify bug 658728 that seems annoyingish horrible [15:23] Launchpad bug 658728 in bluedevil (Ubuntu Maverick) "bluedevil translations not being used" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/658728 [15:28] hey apachelogger. Does it work for you with the German locale? The German translation seems to be nearly complete -> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/bluedevil/+pots/bluedevil [15:29] if only I used german locale [15:30] if only language-selector wasnt such a broken piece of rainbow [15:30] that reminds me, it needs a rewrite [15:30] dpm: did anyone pick up maintainership yet? [15:31] apachelogger, no, unfortunately not :( [15:31] anyway, I'll add a comment to the bug [15:31] :( [15:32] apachelogger: I have changed my JID to quintasan@chrome.pl , please auth if you want [15:32] java id? [15:32] jabber id [15:32] lol [15:33] silly acronyms [15:33] auth'd [15:33] lets do chit chat! [15:41] heh [15:42] Quintasan: request sent as well [15:42] Nightrose: Mit Quintasan darf nur noch Deutsch gesprochen werden, damit er Gelegenheit hat zum Ueben. ;) [15:42] :D [15:42] shadeslayer: thy shall only talk german with Quintasan :P [15:43] * shadeslayer grabs google translate [15:43] * apachelogger is all in favor of implementing this a channel policy [15:43] apachelogger: thy shall only talk in this channel in 0's and 1's [15:43] or klingon [15:44] you bun too font does surely not do klingon [15:44] use klingon font then ;) [15:44] Ja, ja, Deutch learnen macht Spass [15:45] total [15:45] shadeslayer: 001 1000 1001 0011 1101 0000 1011 0111 0011 === hrw|gone is now known as hrw|n900 [16:01] Three things: 1. Tool for enabling NumLock @ KDM start 2. Why the hell plymouth theme looks normal on nouveau and like crap on nvidia drivers? 3. Anyone using KTorrent? [16:02] 4. Where did the PolicyKit Manager go? [16:02] ad. 4 apachelogger [16:04] Quintasan: Das KCM ist noch nicht auf polkit portiert, soweit ich weiss. [16:04] FFFFFFFFFFFFFFF [16:04] Quintasan: Ein Tool zum einschalten von numlock gibts in den System Einstellungen im Keyboard KCM. [16:05] * Quintasan wonders in what mess did he get himself into [16:05] Quintasan: Plymouth sieht mit nvidia nicht besonders ansprechend aus, weil nvidia kein KMS unterstuetzt oder sowas in der Art. [16:06] apachelogger: http://imagebin.ca/view/Rag3OJxB.html [16:06] it doesnt work [16:06] it is set to Turn on numlock and it is still off [16:06] damn [16:07] Quintasan: Ich glaub lex hat das fuer 10.10 gefixt? Zumindest gabs da nen Fehlerbericht, am besten Launchpad durchsuchen. [16:10] shadeslayer: 01110111 01101000 01100101 01101110 00100000 01110111 01101001 01101100 01101100 00100000 01110000 01110010 01101111 01101010 01100101 01100011 01110100 00101101 01101110 01100101 01101111 01101110 00100000 01100010 01100101 00100000 01110010 01100101 01100001 01100100 01111001 00111111 [16:11] wha [16:11] * apachelogger notes that communication via bit maps is a bit lengthy [16:12] apachelogger: 01010111 01101000 01100101 01101110 00100000 01111001 01101111 01110101 00100000 01110011 01110100 01101111 01110000 00100000 01110011 01110000 01100101 01100001 01101011 01101001 01101110 01100111 00100000 01000111 01100101 01110010 01101101 01100001 01101110 00100000 01110100 01101111 00100000 01101101 01100101 [16:12] apachelogger: 0110100101110100011100110010000001110010011001010110000101100100011110010010000001001110010011110101011100100001 [16:13] * Quintasan 's pbuilders got rusty [16:13] shadeslayer: 01001001 01010100 00100000 01101001 01110011 00100000 01101110 01101111 01110100 00100000 01110010 01100101 01100001 01100100 01111001 00100000 01111001 01100101 01110100 00100000 01110011 01101001 01101110 01100011 01100101 00100000 01101011 01100100 01100101 01100010 01101001 01101110 01100100 01101001 01101110 01100111 01110011 00100000 01110011 01110100 01101001 01101100 01101100 00100000 01000110 01010100 01000010 [16:13] 01000110 01010011 [16:14] ^^ [16:14] madness [16:14] Quintasan: 010101000110100001100001011101000111001100100000011110010110111101110101011100100010000001100110011000010111010101101100011101000010000001110100011010000110010101101110001000000011101001010000 [16:14] shadeslayer: 01101100 01101111 01101100 00100000 01101110 01101111 00101100 00100000 01100010 01101100 01100001 01101101 01100101 00100000 01001011 01000100 01000101 01100111 01110101 01111001 01110011 [16:15] apachelogger: 01101000011011110111011100100000011001000110000101110010011001010010000001111001011011110111010100100000011100110111000001100101011000010110101100100000011010010110111000100000010000010101001101000011010010010100100100100001 [16:15] Quintasan: 011011000110010101110100011100110010000001101010011101010111001101110100001000000110001001101100011000010110110101100101001000000111100101101111011001100110010101101100 [16:15] yofel_: 01110101 01110010 00100000 01100110 01100001 01110101 01101100 01110100 [16:16] 011011000110111101101100 [16:17] libkonq5-dev: Depends: libkonq5 (= 4:4.4.2-0ubuntu2) but it is not going to be installed :: fun [16:17] ahem [16:17] please keep communication in english [16:18] shtylman: that is english.... just encoded :P [16:18] please keep communication in ascii english (decoded) [16:18] hey... ASCII is also a coded language :P [16:19] boring [16:19] .... [16:19] apachelogger: would have been more fun if we encrypted ASCII with gpg [16:19] too much bloat [16:20] lolwut [16:20] how does one disable plymouth? [16:20] it's annoying [16:20] Quintasan: disable in /etc/default/grub [16:20] or something similar [16:22] Riddell: does the l10n script do uploads as well? [16:22] uploads to PPA et all [16:26] shadeslayer: no [16:26] shadeslayer: nor test builds (although I don't usually bother with test builds these days for l10n, takes so long) [16:27] but I do test build a couple of them before upload [16:28] so you upload each and everyone ? [16:29] I do for asdf in *changes; do dput ubuntu ${asdf}; done [16:29] ah ok [16:29] shadeslayer: Did you get your bluetooth stuff uploaded by somebody? [16:29] nope [16:30] Riddell: Could you have a look? ^^^ [16:30] shadeslayer: what's that? [16:30] new bluedevil release [16:30] https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/kde-extra [16:32] for some odd reason kdepim did not find kdebase-runtime .... [16:32] weirdness [16:33] * yofel_ feels like he just fell into lost in translation [16:33] I'm not good in talking binary :P === yofel_ is now known as yofel [16:34] brr [16:35] shadeslayer: are u using ktorrent? [16:35] sometimes yes [16:35] and does it crash for you? let say in the middle of using it or upon exit? [16:35] nope [16:36] stupid kdepim .... [16:37] shadeslayer: talking of bluedevil nobody has done the test for bug 658728 [16:37] Launchpad bug 658728 in bluedevil (Ubuntu Maverick) "bluedevil translations not being used" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/658728 [16:37] didnt you say it works? [16:37] i thought that was it [16:38] I uploaded, I can't (or don't want to) validate my own upload [16:39] shadeslayer: so 1.0 still doesn't come with translations? [16:39] afaik no [16:40] shadeslayer: uploaded! [16:40] \o/ [16:44] any ideas why this is not picking up runtime? https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+build/2047767/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-amd64.kdepim_4:4.4.7-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [16:44] ( kdebase-runtime to be specific ) [16:48] * apachelogger writes binary parser [16:49] bluedevil 1.0 uploaded? nice and thanks [16:49] hrw|n900: for natty :) [16:49] will have to check. hope that DUN will be next [16:49] shadeslayer: I do not use maverick+kde4 combo [16:50] ohk [16:50] shadeslayer: only efikasb runs maverick but 512mb ram is not enough for kde4 [16:50] aye [16:51] shadeslayer: you are writing a very horrible dialect [16:51] apachelogger: wha.. where? [16:51] binary without seperator [16:51] unreadable [16:51] oic [16:51] my eyes are bleeding because of you [16:51] hhaha :P [16:52] * apachelogger abuses std::string [16:52] you should do octal - less bw used [16:53] apachelogger: kdepim-runtime: Depends: kdebase-runtime but it is not going to be installed : what am i doing wrong? :S [16:53] from kdepim 4.4.7 in ninjas [16:54] shadeslayer: well what happens when you install kdebase-runtime ? [16:55] hmm.. seems kdebase-runtime isnt pulled in by builder -.- [16:59] poor thing [17:00] 01100111 01110100 01100111 [17:01] apachelogger: cya === blueyed__ is now known as blueyed [17:22] how very magic [17:22] shadeslayer: you should really find me another minion [17:22] apachelogger: we should get dylan [17:23] cant remember his nick [17:23] he is already shaped, I need raw material to form in my image! [17:23] ah ok [17:23] apachelogger: is one minion not enough? :P [17:23] no! [17:24] specially not if he delays renaming a package for multiple cycles :P [17:24] ill do it next week :P [17:25] finding a minion? [17:25] renaming the package [17:26] shadeslayer: Besides, if you ever want to graduate from minion status, you need to find a replacement. [17:26] when will I get a minion? [17:26] ScottK++ [17:26] DarkwingDuck: weren't you supposed to find me minions? [17:26] (not that there's much hope for that anytime soon judging on your UDS performance) [17:26] apachelogger: go to #kubuntu :P [17:26] shadeslayer: No, not a good source. Need motivated people. [17:27] ScottK: :O .... what happened? [17:27] You promoted yourself to padwan and how long did that last? [17:27] shadeslayer: he is not kidding, I do not advocate applications to any sort of developer status unless there is a replacement minion [17:27] ScottK: uh.. i didnt... afaik i was a minion all along [17:28] Ah, it was such a short promotin he doesn't even remember it. [17:28] ^^ [17:28] seriously .... cant remember it [17:28] apachelogger: See keybuck's comments on #ubuntu-devel. [17:28] Nice parallel. [17:28] and he didnt even get no alcohol [17:29] lol [17:29] ScottK: uhh, that is a fancy idea [17:29] anyways... gtg and study now... cya [17:29] Natty daily ISO almost worked \o/ [17:29] "almost"? [17:30] I can't install my Broadcom driver [17:30] OK. That's ISO working and Jockey broken. [17:31] stupid jockey -.- [17:32] shadeslayer: where are my sambashare enabled test packages btw? [17:32] ulysses: which broadcom driver did you tell it to use? [17:32] apachelogger: isnt that supposed to be rbelems field? [17:32] im probably migrating from packaging to coding :P [17:32] shadeslayer: I signed you up for packaging [17:33] rbelem is a coding minion :P [17:33] davmor2: BCM4312M [17:33] shadeslayer: fair enough... language-selector needs a rewrite [17:33] also stronger incorporation with kcm [17:33] apachelogger: convert rbelem to packaging minion and im going to become coding minion [17:33] preferrably it had a C based core that can be shared across gtk and kde [17:34] shadeslayer: also you should prepare blog posts about neon [17:34] ScottK: I tried 'apt-get install bcmwl-kernel-source', it builds the module, but can't update initramfs [17:34] * apachelogger wants one for users and one for launchpad fans (at least) [17:34] ulysses: Are dkms and patch installed? [17:35] apachelogger: yeah.... last exam tomorrow ... ill see what i can whip up over the week and weekend [17:35] ultimately something generic too ... pitfalls with kde in a sandbox [17:35] Beyond that, dunno [17:35] ulysses: ah right so you're using the official one not the b43 driver [17:35] how is it supposed to update initramfs on a CD? [17:35] ScottK: yes [17:35] Not sure then. [17:36] yofel: on an USB stick:) [17:36] really going now [17:36] hm, not sure there, I thought kernel changes were impossible [17:36] ScottK: do we have a meeting date yet? [17:36] cu shadeslayer (make sure you plan some time for neon over the weekend too :P) [17:37] nothing going on in #kubuntu [17:37] boring channel [17:37] Blur has to be disabled too, all widget and background is ugly gray with it [17:39] #kubuntu-de is worse... [17:40] apachelogger: Nope. [17:40] ok [17:40] yofel: because it should be merged into #ubuntu-de.... [17:41] ScottK: shouldnt kdesudo have max window size? [17:41] yofel: why? [17:41] the dialog seems incredibly large [17:41] on netbook that is [17:41] apachelogger: kdesudo needs to specify that. [17:41] neversfelde: I'm counting lines_per_hour [17:41] I agree it should though. [17:42] okidoki [17:42] yofel: there is traffic in it, probably not in the afternoon or morning, but in the evening and at weekends [17:42] ScottK: do you have an example patch for such a change? [17:42] apachelogger: No. [17:43] yofel: from my point of view it makes sense, because I only give support for kubuntu related things and I could not do this in #ubuntu-de [17:43] neversfelde: Why couldn't you? [17:43] ScottK: too much traffic and no time to filter the important things [17:43] OK. [17:44] brrrr, kdesudo code style is scary [17:44] now I remember why I didnt like hacking on it ^^ [17:44] That may not be the best place to try and fix it, but it seems unfortunate that Germany has two completely separate locos. [17:44] ossi was talking about putting kdesudo into kde svn [17:44] apachelogger: Then go make Tonio come back. [17:44] ScottK: yes, for seven years or more [17:44] maybe sending cookies helps [17:44] * Riddell compiles qt 4.7.1 [17:44] Riddell: git? [17:44] only git is option :P [17:45] apachelogger: kdebase [17:45] scary [17:45] neversfelde: Is it something that could be changed in the future? [17:45] Riddell: UPnP MediaServer KIOslave and HUPNP compiles and works now well on Lucid, what's next? [17:46] ulysses: get them both packaged! [17:46] ulysses: do you know where to start? [17:46]