[03:05] <Drakeson> is mipmap screwed up in compiz "static application switcher" plugin? alt-tab crashes compiz in no time.
[04:37] <needhelp1> is banshee going to be the default media player in 11.04?
[04:41] <UndiFineD> that is the plan
[04:41] <needhelp1> is there any official stating explaining why?
[04:42] <UndiFineD> yes it was discussed at UDS-N
[04:43] <UndiFineD> I have 2010-10-29-20-15-packageselection-desktop-n-banshee.ogg
[04:44] <needhelp1> is there any discussion or group efforts to reverse this decision that come to mind ?
[04:44] <UndiFineD> shall I dcc it to you ?
[04:45] <needhelp1> i dont dcc, sorry, is it on the net anywhere
[04:45] <UndiFineD> I forgot where i downloaded it from
[04:46] <UndiFineD> might be cdimage.ubuntu.com
[04:46] <needhelp1> is there any discussion or group efforts to reverse this decision that come to mind ?
[04:47] <UndiFineD> gobby.ubuntu.com : packageselection-desktop-n-application-selection
[04:50] <needhelp1> gobby.ubuntu.com wont load
[04:51] <UndiFineD> no you need gobby 0.5 for that
[04:52] <UndiFineD> http://paste.ubuntu.com/532137/
[04:52] <needhelp1> oh ok thanks
[04:52] <needhelp1> i'll apt-install gobby
[04:52] <needhelp1> im gona search the forums for any discussion on banshee in 11.04
[04:53] <UndiFineD> it is in the paste
[04:53] <needhelp1> yeah i read it
[04:53] <needhelp1> thanks
[04:53] <UndiFineD> at the bottom are the people to contact
[04:55] <needhelp1> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/packageselection-desktop-n-application-selection
[04:55] <needhelp1> i dont see a link for conor to contact though
[07:57] <Ologn> Aha, other people are having compiz crash as well - bug #673830
[07:58] <Ologn> Well, I'll just stick with reliable old metacity...
[08:04] <jakubo> hi, i have updated to natty and discovered a problem scanning for ssids on with p54pci
[08:05] <jakubo> it does find only one network, and always the same, but its not constantly there
[08:41] <jakubo> anyone there?
[08:44] <popey> jakubo: usually, yes
[08:44] <jakubo> do you have a clue concerning my problem?
[09:31] <jakubo> i cant connect to my ap any more please help
[09:36] <yellabs> hi there
[09:37] <yellabs> natty narwhal has problems with 82865G intel onboard video
[09:37] <yellabs> maybe later it will be solved...
[09:37] <yellabs> i cant run testrapport,, though
[09:38] <yellabs> to bad
[09:44] <yellabs> ah well thats life..
[12:49] <timmillwood> anyone had any issues installing the nightly build of 11.04?
[12:49] <penguin42> just has a machine doing updates, I'm not doing installs yet
[12:49] <BUGabundo> its a mess currently
[12:49] <BUGabundo> I've lost most of my applets , even if installed
[12:49] <BUGabundo> compiz is a mess
[12:49] <BUGabundo> nouveau won't even start X
[12:50] <penguin42> it's mostly OK for me (Intel graphics) - although the hibernate option has disappeared
[12:50] <BUGabundo> can't drag app in the app tray
[12:50] <BUGabundo> bah
[12:50] <sagaci> good the release date isn't anytime soon :P
[12:50] <timmillwood> I was trying the iso in virtualbox and couldnt even get it to boot
[12:51] <Ian_Corne> gnome-open still ignores the setting of the prefered browser :p
[12:51] <Ian_Corne> I had to remove compiz
[12:53] <BUGabundo> Ian_Corne: aaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[12:53] <BUGabundo> so that's why all link images open in eog
[12:53] <BUGabundo> compiz-extra got depreciated
[12:53] <Ian_Corne> yes also
[12:53] <Ian_Corne> I think they're messing with it
[12:56] <timmillwood> unity in the nighty buld of 11.04 yet?
[12:57] <BUGabundo> lunch
[12:57] <BUGabundo> bbl
[12:57] <BUGabundo> I don't see unity for my system, on GDM (or what ever its called now)
[13:00] <coz_> what is best way to upgrade maverick to natty at this point?
[13:04] <IdleOne> coz_: I changed the sources.list to natty, don't know if that is the best way.
[13:10] <cozziemoto> IdleOne,  thankas
[13:10] <cozziemoto> IdleOne,   on maverick machine now
[13:11] <cozziemoto> IdleOne,  i tried that but it didnt work
[13:14] <IdleOne> cozziemoto: probably best to wait for alpha1 to be released.
[13:16] <cozziemoto> IdleOne,  yeah  understood :)  I can wait...actually I wanted to test compiz/unity
[13:34] <BUGabundo> cozziemoto: there used to be a PPA with it
[13:34] <BUGabundo> so you could try it on maverick
[13:34] <BUGabundo> cozziemoto: what didn't work when you changed sources?
[13:34] <BUGabundo> sudo aptitude full-upgrade should have worked
[13:42] <mhall119> update-manager -d will upgrade you to 11.04
[13:44] <BUGabundo> already ? cool
[13:49] <wrst> mhall119: finally saw the little unity enable thing in the compiz settings manager
[13:51] <mhall119> wrst: there's a unity setting in ccsm?
[13:52] <wrst> yes i couldn't get it to work mhall119 from logging into ubuntu netbook from gdm i just got a white screen, but from within gnome i can enable unity but it sorta piles it up on the existing gnome setup
[13:52] <mhall119> huh
[13:52] <mhall119> I'm still running in vbox, so I won't be able to run Unity anyway
[13:52] <mhall119> but good to know
[13:53] <wrst> yeah it plastered unity on top of my existing gnome
[13:53] <wrst> kinda weird :)
[13:53] <wrst> but what little it was useable seems pretty neat
[13:55] <mhall119> it seemed nice on my netbook, just unusably slow and didn't fit well on a 7" screen
[13:57] <wrst> on my ati card it has many problems
[13:57] <wrst> so really unusable on it
[13:57] <Ian_Corne> :D
[13:57] <Ian_Corne> OS drivers wrst ?
[13:58] <Ian_Corne> I dare not try it on my nouveau laptop..
[13:58] <wrst> yes Ian_Corne my card is "too old" for ati to support it so i have the open drivers that generally do work pretty well
[13:58] <BUGabundo> nouvuea is broken
[13:58] <BUGabundo> I can't even enable it
[14:00] <Ian_Corne> I have to wait another month and nvidia should release a driver then that I can use
[14:01] <wrst> i installed unity on my 10.10 desktop with nviida it works well with it but don't have the unity/compiz running on it
[14:07] <patdk-wk> heh
[14:07] <patdk-wk> "No required driver detected for unity." :(
[14:09] <wrst> that stinks patdk-wk
[14:22] <BUGabundo> FFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
[14:22] <BUGabundo> ctrl+shift+t to open a new tab in gnome-terminal kills it :(
[14:22] <Ian_Corne> kills what?
[14:22] <Ian_Corne> it works for me
[14:23] <BUGabundo> mine it _explodes_
[14:23] <Ian_Corne> your terminal?
[14:24] <BUGabundo> yep
[14:25] <Ian_Corne> try F1
[14:25] <Ian_Corne> :p
[14:28] <patdk-wk> hmm, windows 7 claims it supports dx9
[14:28] <Ian_Corne> it probably does :p
[14:29] <patdk-wk> heh, no ubuntu love :(
[14:29] <Ian_Corne> buh?
[14:29] <patdk-wk> no 3d support in ubuntu, so unity bombs out
[14:30] <Ian_Corne> ah
[14:30] <Ian_Corne> like that
[14:31] <charlie-tca> Must be nividia?
[14:33] <patdk-wk> na, vmware :)
[14:33] <patdk-wk> lucid as my host, natty and win7 in vmware
[14:57] <BUGabundo> damn you chromium
[14:57] <BUGabundo> stop killing my laptop :(
[15:02] <Ian_Corne> :p
[18:31] <TecnicoDPC> Hello 2 All
[21:30] <geser> anyone else having problems to connect with pidgin to ICQ?
[21:31] <Ian_Corne> Sorry never really used ICQ
[21:39] <BUGabundo> evening
[21:40] <BUGabundo> anyone can tip me off on how to limit an app ram usage?
[21:40] <BUGabundo> specially chromium?
[21:41] <lubun2> BUGabundo, what for?
[21:42] <BUGabundo> so it won't make my system crash, when it mem leaks
[21:48] <penguin42> BUGabundo: use ulimit in a shell and then run it from the same shell
[21:48] <BUGabundo> okay
[21:50] <penguin42> hmm I wonder if that will work with chromium
[21:50]  * BUGabundo stabs gnome-terminal
[21:51] <BUGabundo> penguin42: I doubt it, since it will fork
[21:51] <BUGabundo> but I can try
[21:51]  * penguin42 takes away BUGabundo's stabby thing
[21:51] <BUGabundo> once I get gnome-terminal from killing it self everytime I open a new tab
[21:51] <penguin42> BUGabundo: It will limit the maximum size of any one process though - and if it manages that it should stop any run aways
[21:52] <BUGabundo> I could pass a flag to avoid it doing more process
[22:00] <Ian_Corne> BUGabundo: what version of chromium are you using?
[22:00] <Ian_Corne> I'm using 9.0.583.0
[22:00] <Ian_Corne> and don't experience that
[22:00] <Ian_Corne> 64 bit
[22:01] <BUGabundo> 9.0.583.0 (66089) Ubuntu 11.04
[22:01] <BUGabundo> I'm on SSD, no swap
[22:02] <BUGabundo> my system crashes a few times a day
[22:02] <BUGabundo> some pages that do heavy loading, or have lots of multimedia object, specially flash, kill it for sure
[22:02] <BUGabundo> my system freezes for several seconds, and resumes, or freezes for good
[22:03] <BUGabundo> most of the time I can do a sysrq for recovery, but not always
[22:03] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Keep a few monitoring things going in the background so when it happens you can figure out what went on
[22:04] <BUGabundo> like?
[22:06] <penguin42> I'd keep a vmstat 1 running in a terminal - or something you can see from a terminal on nother machine
[22:07] <penguin42> see if it is running out of memory, also remove syslog can be useful
[22:49] <BUGabundo> what the....
[22:49] <BUGabundo> its not chromium... or at least not only it
[22:49] <BUGabundo> its my X or compiz
[22:50] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Lots of cases where the problem is an application allocating large chunks of space in X's memory
[22:50] <BUGabundo> and compiz is responsible for my gnome terminal to *hide* not die
[22:50] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Try xrestop
[22:50] <BUGabundo> let me see if there's a shortcut for it
[22:50] <penguin42> yeh well compiz pushes the graphics drivers hard
[22:50] <penguin42> BUGabundo: I forget - which graphics driver are you using?
[22:51] <BUGabundo> right now, nvidia blob
[22:51] <BUGabundo> since I can't make nouvuea 3D work
[22:51] <penguin42> nod
[22:54] <sebsebseb> HI
[23:22] <BUGabundo> res-base Wins  GCs Fnts Pxms Misc   Pxm mem  Other   Total   PID Identifier
[23:22] <BUGabundo> 4200000    47  103    1  113  276     8825K     10K   8836K  2372 chromium-browser
[23:22] <BUGabundo> 0c00000     6   34    0   20  217     4128K      6K   4134K  1436 gsd-xrandr
[23:22] <BUGabundo> 0200000     0    1    0    1    0     4000K     24B   4000K   ?   <unknown>
[23:22] <BUGabundo> 4a00000     5   87    1   21   70     2598K      4K   2603K 17457 Character Map
[23:22] <BUGabundo> penguin42: ^^^^^^^
[23:22]  * penguin42 hits BUGabundo with a paste-bin
[23:22] <BUGabundo> 4 lines?
[23:23] <penguin42> 5 - long ones - anyway, still it shows chromium isn't taking much X memory - or at least not asking for it in the normal way
[23:23] <penguin42> (I don't know enough to know what's included and what isn't)
[23:26] <BUGabundo>  2515     12      0      50363K   1.2G 432.0M     0K     0K  11% chromium-brows
[23:26] <BUGabundo>  2511    269      0      50363K   1.0G 257.3M   344K   412K   6% chromium-brows
[23:27] <BUGabundo> still, my chromium is using way too much ram
[23:27] <BUGabundo> and I can't pin point where
[23:31] <penguin42> what are you doing with it?
[23:31] <penguin42> mine shows as having a lot of virtual memory, but very little is resident (even on this machine with lots of RAM)
[23:33] <penguin42> BUGabundo: You could turn resource tracking on in Chromium
[23:34] <BUGabundo> sure, how?
[23:35] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Spanner->Tools->Developer tools->resources->enable resource tracking