[13:52] <doctormo> wow lots of mailing list activity.
[17:21] <thorwil> 0.o  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/Request-5
[17:22] <doctormo> Hey thorwil
[17:22] <thorwil> hi doctormo
[17:22] <doctormo> I notice j_baer has been very active in the art community mailing list. thoughts?
[17:23] <thorwil> doctormo: great enthusiasm, some clear thinking, but over-eagerness
[17:25] <thorwil> doctormo: for example, that libreoffice request doesn't belong at all and on top of that can't be filled in quite yet
[17:25] <doctormo> seconded
[17:26] <doctormo> thorwil: Do you think we need a meeting to discuss issues?
[17:28] <thorwil> doctormo: i would think so, but seeing how my pointing out how the artwork team isn't ready to appear as a functional unit towards the libreoffice project twice, i doubt explaining it once again won't help
[17:29] <thorwil> arg! i doubt explaining it once again will help
[17:30] <doctormo> thorwil: Depends on the context of the discussion. I propose a meeting between myself, yourself and j_baer in private where we can discuss some of the over-eager and misplaced direction frankly.
[17:32] <thorwil> doctormo: we can certainly try that
[17:38] <doctormo> If we can get the three of us on the same page, then perhaps that's all we need to form a nucleus of a community team.
[17:42] <thorwil> doctormo: the only other candidates would be vish and saleel (if he sticks around this time)
[17:45] <doctormo> Worth inviting them in on this then. Would youlike me to set up the administration side of a meeting?
[17:46] <thorwil> doctormo: yes
[17:46] <thorwil> dinner time, bbl
[18:03] <vish> doctormo, thorwil: i tried to bring it up the last time when he was around, but he seems a bit over lost?
[18:05] <vish> s/over//
[18:07] <doctormo> vish, thorwil: art team mailing list has the link for the meeting doodle poll
[18:19] <thorwil> doctormo: doodled, thanks
[18:20] <vish> thorwil: the time is in GMT?
[18:21] <thorwil> vish: yes. the one thing i miss on doodle is selectable timezone (per user)
[18:22] <vish> yea, and there is no indication of the timezone!!!
[18:25] <vish> IMO, The key to building a team is to not talk always.. if one person is doing the talking always then its less of a team, even less if there is not much reply/output
[18:26] <vish> thorwil: should the meeting have been 'baer intervention' ?
[18:26]  * vish very bad! ;p
[18:26] <thorwil> heh, yeah, bad vish!
[18:28] <vish> thorwil: i think what might have gone wrong is, after UDS session baer might have thought that all the team needs now is just some leadership, or someone driving the team..
[18:28] <vish> when actually its that we need a team!!
[18:30] <thorwil> hmm, could be
[19:29] <vish> hrmm! we better have that meeting fast, not sure what baer is thinking!!
[19:29] <vish> last i heard he is not interested in doing the LibO work and not sure what community he is talking about when he mentions 'being interested' !!
[19:30] <thorwil> vish: i guess that's an "apology " for my behavior.
[19:30] <doctormo> vish: I'm terribly confused, could you fill me in on WTF?
[19:31] <vish> doctormo: his latest reply on the LibO thread..
[19:31] <vish> thorwil: yea, but still wheres the promised land?
[19:32] <doctormo> I'm worried because he's looking less like a maverick and more like a disruptive element which each email to the mailing list.
[19:32] <vish> yea..
[19:33] <doctormo> I'd like to get his arse in here so we can chat.
[19:35] <thorwil> vish, doctormo: he must be referring to http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/msg01191.html
[19:39] <vish> thorwil: yea, but still not an excuse nor is that offensive..
[19:39] <doctormo> thorwil: My only comment is that issues within the ubuntu community should stay in the ubuntu community.
[19:39] <doctormo> But other than that, I think that it's just as wrong to stand up and count yourself as representing the art community in total.
[19:40] <doctormo> which is what j_baer has done 3 times now.
[19:40] <thorwil> doctormo: yes, that's the aspect of it i'm uneasy about. but from my point of view, John and David pulled that topic over there
[19:41] <doctormo> pulled the topic?
[19:43] <thorwil> doctormo: caused me to put the record straight by repeatedly "representing" the community (John) or saying how great the Team would be and what wonders it will do (David)
[19:43] <doctormo> doh