=== chaotic_ is now known as chaotic === zniavre__ is now known as zniavre [13:52] wow lots of mailing list activity. [17:21] 0.o https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/Request-5 [17:22] Hey thorwil [17:22] hi doctormo [17:22] I notice j_baer has been very active in the art community mailing list. thoughts? [17:23] doctormo: great enthusiasm, some clear thinking, but over-eagerness [17:25] doctormo: for example, that libreoffice request doesn't belong at all and on top of that can't be filled in quite yet [17:25] seconded [17:26] thorwil: Do you think we need a meeting to discuss issues? [17:28] doctormo: i would think so, but seeing how my pointing out how the artwork team isn't ready to appear as a functional unit towards the libreoffice project twice, i doubt explaining it once again won't help [17:29] arg! i doubt explaining it once again will help [17:30] thorwil: Depends on the context of the discussion. I propose a meeting between myself, yourself and j_baer in private where we can discuss some of the over-eager and misplaced direction frankly. [17:32] doctormo: we can certainly try that [17:38] If we can get the three of us on the same page, then perhaps that's all we need to form a nucleus of a community team. [17:42] doctormo: the only other candidates would be vish and saleel (if he sticks around this time) [17:45] Worth inviting them in on this then. Would youlike me to set up the administration side of a meeting? [17:46] doctormo: yes [17:46] dinner time, bbl [18:03] doctormo, thorwil: i tried to bring it up the last time when he was around, but he seems a bit over lost? [18:05] s/over// [18:07] vish, thorwil: art team mailing list has the link for the meeting doodle poll [18:19] doctormo: doodled, thanks [18:20] thorwil: the time is in GMT? [18:21] vish: yes. the one thing i miss on doodle is selectable timezone (per user) [18:22] yea, and there is no indication of the timezone!!! [18:25] IMO, The key to building a team is to not talk always.. if one person is doing the talking always then its less of a team, even less if there is not much reply/output [18:26] thorwil: should the meeting have been 'baer intervention' ? [18:26] * vish very bad! ;p [18:26] heh, yeah, bad vish! [18:28] thorwil: i think what might have gone wrong is, after UDS session baer might have thought that all the team needs now is just some leadership, or someone driving the team.. [18:28] when actually its that we need a team!! [18:30] hmm, could be [19:29] hrmm! we better have that meeting fast, not sure what baer is thinking!! [19:29] last i heard he is not interested in doing the LibO work and not sure what community he is talking about when he mentions 'being interested' !! [19:30] vish: i guess that's an "apology " for my behavior. [19:30] vish: I'm terribly confused, could you fill me in on WTF? [19:31] doctormo: his latest reply on the LibO thread.. [19:31] thorwil: yea, but still wheres the promised land? [19:32] I'm worried because he's looking less like a maverick and more like a disruptive element which each email to the mailing list. [19:32] yea.. [19:33] I'd like to get his arse in here so we can chat. [19:35] vish, doctormo: he must be referring to http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/msg01191.html [19:39] thorwil: yea, but still not an excuse nor is that offensive.. [19:39] thorwil: My only comment is that issues within the ubuntu community should stay in the ubuntu community. [19:39] But other than that, I think that it's just as wrong to stand up and count yourself as representing the art community in total. [19:40] which is what j_baer has done 3 times now. [19:40] doctormo: yes, that's the aspect of it i'm uneasy about. but from my point of view, John and David pulled that topic over there [19:41] pulled the topic? [19:43] doctormo: caused me to put the record straight by repeatedly "representing" the community (John) or saying how great the Team would be and what wonders it will do (David) [19:43] doh