[02:05] <nived> when I start up my ubuntu 10.10, it says i'm missing the firmware for my broadcom wireless card and drops me into the command line. also, X won't start. This may or may not be related to my NVIDIA drivers. I'm totally lost at this point, can anyone help me?
[02:06] <stlsaint> nived: what type of card do you have?
[02:07] <cprofitt> nived: the drop to command line is video related
[02:08] <cprofitt> the wireless card, is highly unlikely to cause that
[02:08] <cprofitt> nived: can you do an lspci | grep VGA at the command line
[02:08] <cprofitt> that would tell us what video card you have
[02:08] <nived> stlsaint: network controller broadcom corp bcm4306 802.11b/g wireless lan controller 14e4:4320
[02:09] <nived> cprofitt: nvidia geforce 6200
[02:09] <stlsaint> aye i should have specified for graphics card, sorry
[02:09] <cprofitt> nived did you get X at all after install?
[02:09] <cprofitt> I am just curious if you tried to load the nvidia drivers or not
[02:09] <nived> i odn't undertand your question
[02:10] <cprofitt> immediately after install -- were you dumped to the command line
[02:10] <cprofitt> or did you get X?
[02:11] <cprofitt> if you did not load the proprietary drives we can try installing them from the command line
[02:11] <nived> i've spent the last day trying to get the nvidia drivers to work. this is not actually my computer, it's my friend's. i got ubuntu working for him last night. today he tried to install different nvidia drivers, drivers that i think were the wrong ones, and called me over to help him. i installed a different set of drivers that someone in #ubuntu said should work, and it made new xorg.conf files
[02:11] <nived> i'm actually able to start x without a xorg.conf file
[02:11] <nived> and yes, it was working last night after the install
[02:12] <cprofitt> yes, I think the 6200 might need the older drivers
[02:12] <nived> i installed the drivers by downloading them and bringing them over via usb
[02:12] <cprofitt> the 96 version should work for that card
[02:13] <cprofitt> I have a 6800 on one of my computers... I can check the version I have running on that one
[02:13] <nived> the 96 version is the one i'mm using now
[02:13] <cprofitt> though I have 10.04 running on that machine, so that might not be a good fit
[02:13] <nived> the one i brought over via usb
[02:13] <cprofitt> actually it looks like the 6200 should support -current
[02:13] <nived> here are the error messages found with dmesg | grep ERROR
[02:13] <nived> 20:12] <nived> error: unable to locate IOAPIC for GSI 8 [20:12] <nived> repeats for GSI 13, 6, 4, 7, 12, 1, 10 [20:12] <nixnoob> fucked if I know what THAT means [20:13] <nived> and it can't find firmware files "b43/ucode5.fw" or "b43-open/ucode5.fw"
[02:14] <cprofitt> can you get his computer on a physical drop?
[02:14] <nived> i don't know what you mean
[02:14] <cprofitt> it would make it easier to install the drivers
[02:14] <nived> i have his computer in front of me if that's what you're asking
[02:14] <cprofitt> yes, but can you put it on the Internet
[02:14] <nived> it's connected to the internet
[02:14] <cprofitt> so you can use apt-get install nvidia-current
[02:14] <nived> k, trying that
[02:14] <cprofitt> sudo apt-get install nvidia-current
[02:15] <cprofitt> ok
[02:15] <nived> says nvidia-current is already the newest version
[02:15] <cprofitt> hmm... so your -96 install did not work...
[02:16] <nived> i brought them over on a usb drive
[02:16] <nived> mounted the usb drive
[02:16] <cprofitt> yes, but apparently the drivers are not the ones active
[02:16] <nived> and used sudo sh for the NVIDIA-blah-blah-pkg0.run file
[02:16] <nived> then repeated for the pkg1.run file
[02:17] <cprofitt> try doing sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-96
[02:18] <cprofitt> what errors do you get if you try startx
[02:19] <nived> [20:18] <nixnoob> um [20:18] <nixnoob> no... [20:18] <nixnoob> you don't want to use any of the .deb packages [20:18] <nixnoob> they haven't made any for these new .run files yet [20:18] <nived> why? [20:18] <nixnoob> they don't work [20:18] <nixnoob> not with the latest X server than 10.10 comes with by default
[02:19] <cprofitt> that is in your terminal?
[02:20] <nived> no, no
[02:20] <cprofitt> that looks like another irc convo
[02:20] <nived> yes
[02:20] <cprofitt> so in terminal try
[02:20] <cprofitt> startx
[02:20] <cprofitt> does x start or fail...
[02:20] <cprofitt> if it fails what are the errors?
[02:20] <nived> startx says failed to load module nvidia because module does not exist, 0, and no drivers available
[02:20] <nived> also fatal server error: no screens found
[02:20] <cprofitt> ok... lets purge and reinstall then
[02:21] <nived> alright
[02:21] <nived> what are we purging?
[02:21] <cprofitt> sudo apt-get --purge remov nvidia-current
[02:21] <cprofitt> sudo apt-get --purge remove nvidia-current
[02:21] <cprofitt> that way it should not say that it is installed -- and any config files should be wiped
[02:21] <nived> done
[02:21] <nived> now what?
[02:21] <cprofitt> if it were not for the config files I would just do a reinstall
[02:22] <cprofitt> ok... lets try rebooting and seeing if you get X again
[02:22] <nived> i can try a reinstall
[02:22] <nived> what's the command from the cli to reboot?
[02:22] <nived> other than standing up, hopping over to the tower, and manually pressing the button?
[02:23] <stlsaint> nived: sudo reboot
[02:23] <cprofitt> thanks stlsaint
[02:23] <cprofitt> +1 to sudo reboot
[02:23] <stlsaint> ;)
[02:24] <nived> same errors
[02:24] <nived> unable to locate IOAPIC for GIS 8, 13, 6, 4, 7, 12, 1, 10
[02:25] <cprofitt> so it rebooted and fell apart, heh?
[02:25] <nived> and can't find firmware files "b43/ucode5.fw" and "b43-open/ucode5.fw"
[02:25] <nived> yep. dropped me back into the shel
[02:25] <nived> l
[02:25] <cprofitt> does he have any data on it yet?
[02:25] <nived> who?
[02:25] <cprofitt> the owner of the laptop
[02:25] <nived> uh
[02:25] <nived> the ubuntu is on the desktop
[02:26] <nived> i'm on a windows laptop right now to be on IRC
[02:26] <cprofitt> ok... on the desktop is there any data on it yet or can you simply do a reinstall?
[02:26] <nived> i can do a reinstall
[02:26] <nived> although i had some issues during the initial install
[02:26] <cprofitt> there are times that finding the needle in the heystack is not worth the effort
[02:27] <cprofitt> haystack even
[02:27] <nived> alright, booting up from the normal install disk
[02:27] <nived> we've also got the alternate one somewhere around here
[02:28] <cprofitt> ok
[02:28] <cprofitt> The poll caused issed for folks
[02:28] <nived> poll?
[02:28] <cprofitt> they actually checked Monday @ 2400 and not Tuesday @ 00:00
[02:28] <cprofitt> though they are the same time
[02:29] <cprofitt> Tuesday 00:00 has 6 of 9
[02:29] <cprofitt> Tuesday @ 24:00 has 7 of 9
[02:29] <cprofitt> and she is famous
[02:30] <cprofitt> 7 of 9 was the best the poll did
[02:32] <SPooN> hey guys, I have a  question about Linux Mint actually. Does anyone know if Skype would work on Mint?
[02:33] <nived> yes, spoon
[02:33] <nived> it would work just fine, according to this forum: http://forum.skype.com/index.php?showtopic=508591
[02:33] <SPooN> thank you very much nived :)
[02:33] <nived> np spoon
[02:34] <nived> cprofitt: should i erase and use the entire disk or specify partitions manually? someone told me that I should manually use ext2 rather than ext4
[02:35] <cprofitt> ext2?
[02:35] <cprofitt> no, I would use ext4
[02:35] <cprofitt> I would just choose the entire disk
[02:35] <Chesamo> why would someone tell you to use ext2?? They must be stuck in 1995
[02:36] <SPooN> linux mint is looking really good.
[02:36] <SPooN> I was born in 95 :P
[02:36]  * Cheri703 feels really old
[02:36] <Chesamo> ...
[02:36]  * Chesamo also feels old.
[02:36] <nived> chesamo: they said they were having problems with ext4 so reformatted to ext2 and had fewer problems
[02:36]  * nived fools eld
[02:37] <cprofitt> I don't fell old... I am old
[02:37] <stlsaint> SPooN: ?? crap i feel old also now
[02:37] <aluex> hi,everybody
[02:37] <SPooN> haha sorry guys :P
[02:37]  * stlsaint feels old a 23!
[02:38] <cprofitt> no problem SPooN I work in a school district... I get a dialy dose of HCIAO
[02:38] <cprofitt> Holy Crap I Am Old
[02:38]  * SPooN feels like a youngling nerd
[02:38]  * nived feels proud for figuring out that acronym before you said that
[02:38] <aluex> i love the screen saver MatrixView, and i would like to know where the pics it shows are?
[02:38] <nived> fly, fledgling
[02:38] <aluex> thanks
[02:38] <cprofitt> SPooN: no... youngling geek... though not that young
[02:38] <cprofitt> my youngest is 3 and using Ubuntu already
[02:39] <SPooN> thats awesome!
[02:39] <cprofitt> she was born in 2007
[02:39] <SPooN> I'm the oldest of 3 and the only techie of the family
[02:39] <cprofitt> all three of my kids have their own computers
[02:39] <cprofitt> the oldest is in First Lego League this year
[02:39] <SPooN> I installed skype and got a webcam for my grandfather, who lives in France, so that we could communicate. He hasn't opened the box of the webcam
[02:39] <cprofitt> she is 5th grade
[02:39] <cprofitt> born in 2000
[02:40] <SPooN> you, are an awesome parent
[02:40]  * cprofitt shudders when he hears Skype
[02:40] <cprofitt> no, not awesome... just a geek
[02:40]  * SPooN wonders whats wrong with skype?
[02:40] <cprofitt> it keeps a connection open on your computer and sends messages frequently
[02:41]  * aluex wonders when to be heard ..
[02:41] <cprofitt> it may be nice if you need to use it like a phone, but if you can schedule calls it would be better to use a not always on program
[02:41] <SPooN> which means what in 15yo language?
[02:41] <SPooN> I mean, you can just close the program
[02:41] <nived> it's bad[/simple english]
[02:41] <nived> =P
[02:41] <cprofitt> SPooN: it is a security hole and who knows what data is being sent to the mother ship
[02:41] <cprofitt> aluex: you may type at any time
[02:42]  * Cheri703 is somewhat older than stlsaint 
[02:42] <SPooN> okie
[02:43] <aluex> cprofitt, i m sorry. i just want to know where the pictures the screen saver MatrixView displays are..
[02:43]  * SPooN closes Skype
[02:43] <nived> okay, cprofitt
[02:44] <nived> i'm receiving this advice from someone else, tell me if you agree with it
[02:44] <nived> "reboot and get into a recovery mode, drop to root shell, telinit 3 if you need to, (you'll know if you go to install the .run binaries and they advise you to) and "sh nvidia-blah-blah-0.run" and then the other one, one after the other, and then reboot, and everything should be OK"
[02:45] <cprofitt> nived: worth a try...
[02:45] <cprofitt> if it doesn't work you can reinstall then
[02:46] <nived> no, i mean
[02:46] <nived> he advises doing that after the reinstall
[02:46] <cprofitt> I have not had a driver issue go that deep for me ... so unfamiliar with the advice
[02:46] <cprofitt> wouldn't that depend on the reinstall having the errors?
[02:46] <guest1> newb here trying to learn bash shell and for some reason I cannot use relative paths in ubuntu
[02:47] <guest1> absolute paths traverse directories fine
[02:47] <nived> well i mean
[02:47] <nived> if you're in /usr
[02:47] <nived> trying to go to /usr/bin
[02:47] <nived> just cd bin
[02:49] <guest1> it won't allow me to move from any directory unless I type the absolute path
[02:50] <guest1> so if pwd and Im in home/username and want to go to desktop I have to type the whole path to  go to desktop
[02:50] <stlsaint> guest1: or you could just use: cd Desktop
[02:50] <cprofitt> no
[02:50] <guest1>  cd /home/username/desktop
[02:50] <stlsaint> without using: cd /home/stlsaint/Desktop
[02:51] <nived> okay, so, guest1: when you're in /home/username, type cd Desktop and tell me what it returns
[02:51] <cprofitt> in your home you would just have to type cd Desktop
[02:51] <cprofitt> it is an upper case D
[02:51] <UndiFineD> o/
[02:51] <cprofitt> and a quick way to get to home is cd ~
[02:51] <nived> ubuntu is case-sensitive, yeah
[02:51] <nived> desktop, DESKTOP, and Desktop are different places
[02:51] <guest1> warren@Aspire-One:~$ pwd
[02:51] <guest1> /home/warren
[02:51] <guest1> warren@Aspire-One:~$ cd /desktop
[02:51] <guest1> bash: cd: /desktop: No such file or directory
[02:51] <nived> okay
[02:51] <nived> now type exactly what I tell you
[02:51] <cprofitt> bash will also auto-complete if you hit 'tab'
[02:51] <nived> "cd Desktop" with no quotes
[02:52] <nived> make sure you don't do the slash and have an uppercase D
[02:52] <nived> tell me what it returns
[02:52] <guest1> :-D
[02:52] <nived> did it work?
[02:52] <guest1> no /?
[02:52] <nived> no /, no
[02:52] <guest1> yes
[02:52] <nived> not for relative
[02:52] <nived> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LinuxFilesystemTreeOverview
[02:52] <nived> check out that link
[02:53] <nived> it will explain how relative and absolute paths are handled in ubuntu
[02:53] <guest1> is this ubuntu specific?
[02:53] <UndiFineD> no linux specific
[02:53] <UndiFineD> or unix so to speak
[02:53] <guest1> ahhh
[02:54] <guest1> thats been killing me for an hour
[02:54] <nived_> i'm not familiar with any linux distros other than ubuntu
[02:54] <nived_> but ubuntu is based on debian and mint is based on ubuntu
[02:54] <nived_> so it should be that way in debian, ubuntu, and mint at least
[02:55] <cprofitt> It is that way in Fedora as well
[02:55] <cprofitt> at least the last time I used it
[02:55] <guest1> I will remember it well now
[02:55] <guest1> the case of the directories threw me too
[02:57]  * UndiFineD has work with almost any distro of linux, sun solarix, hp ux, aix
[02:58] <UndiFineD> all are case sensitive, because of posix standards
[02:59] <guest1> yeah unfortunatley Im breaking the windows habit argh
[03:00] <UndiFineD> only microsoft, born out of unix posix standards too, chose to eliminate case sensitivity in old DOS / windows systems because of FAT(12) filesystem
[03:00] <UndiFineD> and had to do a hell of a job to reintroduce it again
[03:02] <guest1> I have to say ubuntu is very very easy to use...the bash shell on the other hand..not so much
[03:02] <nhandler> guest1: Tab Completion is your friend ;)
[03:02] <SPooN> Ubuntu's easy to use. I just wish flash would be preloaded
[03:04] <UndiFineD> SPooN, my bet is, that when Ubuntu Software Center is ready for Natty, the store will provide adobe softwares too
[03:06] <nhandler> They have adobe software, most is just in multiverse or the partner repositories.
[03:06] <nhandler> As for adobe flash, try flashplugin-installer
[03:06] <trhisdone> doesn't flash require a licesnse which is why its not preloaded on anything
[03:07] <nhandler> trhisdone: Yeah, licensing issues have played a big role in that.
[03:07] <trhisdone> yeah its not installed by windows by default either....or firefox
[03:07] <UndiFineD> nhandler, I was talking of photoshop and the other commercial softwares they have
[03:07] <trhisdone> you always gotta download it
[03:07] <nhandler> UndiFineD: Are those even available upstream for Linux?
[03:08] <SPooN> anyone know when Mint 10 is going to release?
[03:08] <SPooN> or am I stupid and it is out
[03:08] <trhisdone> why would adobe bother with photoshop for linux? you have gimp
[03:08] <UndiFineD> I think canonical does more talks on this with the major software vendors
[03:09] <SPooN> trhisdone: for flash
[03:09] <UndiFineD> trhisdone : one reason, compatibility
[03:09] <trhisdone> just look at all the crap you gotta do just to play a dvd
[03:09] <trhisdone> thats enough to turn most newbies off right out the gate
[03:09] <vu1kan> I have an issue with the multimedia keys on my usb internet keyboard: whenever i reboot/power down, they stop working.  If i open the gnome keyboard shortcuts, it shows the various actions are defined correctly, i.e. volume mute is mapped to XF86AudoMute, but i get nothing if i press the key.  The only way i've been able to 'fix' this is to first clear the actions with backspace, then redefine the shortcut to the proper media key.  It only see
[03:10] <UndiFineD> crap ? nothing difficult for playing a dvd on linux, ubuntu-restricted-extras will do the trick nicely
[03:10] <trhisdone> im thinking of someone who knows nothing of computers
[03:11] <UndiFineD> trhisdone, that is licencing issues
[03:11] <UndiFineD> but USC makes that much eassier to do
[03:11] <UndiFineD> vu1kan, keyboard settings ....
[03:12] <trhisdone> well i been playing dvds with vlc and kaffeine and they do not play as smooth as they do on power dvd in windows
[03:12] <trhisdone> i don't know what the problem is
[03:12] <UndiFineD> system -> preferences -> keyboard -> tab Layouts
[03:12] <UndiFineD> trhisdone, caching ;)
[03:13] <vu1kan> UndiFineD: it's setup correctly in there; compaq internet keyboard(7 keys)
[03:13] <trhisdone> maybe im just too used to windows
[03:14] <UndiFineD> vu1kan, during bootup and shutdown the system reverts to basic keyboard often US101
[03:15] <vu1kan> even when it was set to that, the issue existed; that is, my volume buttons, ect, wouldn't function after a reboot unless i redefined them
[03:16] <vu1kan> despite the fact that the kb shortcuts showed the correct XF86 entry for the shortcuts
[03:17] <UndiFineD> so it forgets about the keyboard ?
[03:17] <vu1kan> it forgets about the XF86 keys
[03:18] <vu1kan> the rest of the kb functions correctly, as do all of my other shortcuts
[03:18] <trhisdone> i only been using ubuntu for a couple of days and like it but some things were a pain in the butt to get working
[03:18] <UndiFineD> cprofitt, he ha set that permanent somehow ? i.e. .Xsession or something like that ?
[03:20] <UndiFineD> on the layouts tab, there is this button, to apply system -wide
[03:20] <UndiFineD> for my dutch language I switch between USA and USA with deadkeys
[03:27]  * SPooN lost all his music when failing at installing ubuntu
[03:28] <cprofitt> SPooN: ouch
[03:29] <UndiFineD> aww
[03:29] <cprofitt> sounds like backup failure
[03:29] <cprofitt> I have my music on 4 different locations
[03:29] <cprofitt> 3 digital and I own all the physical CDs
[03:29] <SPooN> lol I was trying to dualbot but since I'm a stupid 15yo I accidentally used the entire HD
[03:29] <UndiFineD> back-in-time does a good job for that for me
[03:30] <SPooN> will RhythmBox allow you to sync from iPod to Ubuntu?
[03:30] <UndiFineD> guest1, http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/
[03:30] <mxe5> What would be the best app thats run on gnome desktop for making and .iso of a CD ? ?
[03:31] <Cheri703> mxe5: brasero
[03:31] <Cheri703> it's built in
[03:31] <UndiFineD> hey Che
[03:31] <JoeMaverickSett> SPooN: the first time I installed Ubuntu, that's what happened. :D
[03:31] <UndiFineD> tabfail
[03:31]  * SPooN is happier now
[03:31] <JoeMaverickSett> hi, Cheri703 :)
[03:31] <Cheri703> hi
[03:31] <UndiFineD> Cheri703, is too much like ChanServ
[03:32] <cprofitt> SPooN: always, always have data backup
[03:32] <cprofitt> its lesson #1
[03:32] <Cheri703> yeah, that happens to me a lot :)
 and I thought I was the only one :P
[03:32]  * JoeMaverickSett prefer Banshee over Rhythmbox.
[03:32] <SPooN> cprofitt: yea, I have everything in 3 places now.
[03:32]  * SPooN doesn't have Banshee
[03:32] <mxe5> Cheri703: I know Brasero wil burn an .iso image but did not know you could use it to actually "make an .iso image" of a CD.
[03:32] <JoeMaverickSett> SPooN: well come to the club. *lesson 1, remember to backup. :D
[03:32] <JoeMaverickSett> SPooN: install it. :P
[03:32] <cprofitt> mxe5: yes it works
[03:32] <Cheri703> I've done it...
[03:33] <cprofitt> you can make an iso from a folder of files too
[03:33] <mxe5> ok will give a try Thanks
[03:33] <SPooN> JoeMaverickSett: is it in Synaptic?
[03:33] <JoeMaverickSett> SPooN: try Ubuntu SOftware Center. :D
[03:34] <SPooN> JoeMaverickSett: where be this!? :O
[03:34] <JoeMaverickSett> SPooN: Applications > Ubuntu Software Center. ;)
[03:34] <SPooN> JoeMaverickSett: thanks :D
[03:34] <JoeMaverickSett> SPooN: no problem.
[03:35] <SPooN> whoa lotta schtuffs!
[03:35] <UndiFineD> do not install "Everything"
[03:36] <SPooN> well, I won't
[03:36] <JoeMaverickSett> :D
[03:36] <trhisdone> is that rule #2?
[03:36] <SPooN> but I hadn't realized there was like.. any of this
[03:36] <trhisdone> lol
[03:36] <trhisdone> i find it best to ask someone what software will do what
[03:36] <SPooN> I need to make my Ubuntu look beautiful sometime too
[03:36] <trhisdone> most of the recommendations i got in here have been spot on
[03:37] <SPooN> teehee I have Banshee now
[03:37] <UndiFineD> trhisdone, rule #1 Enjoy Freedom, rule #2 multiply freedom
[03:37] <JoeMaverickSett> +1 UndiFineD :D
[03:37] <trhisdone> i found you gotta load the ms core fonts and change everything to verdana....that seems to look the best to me
[03:37] <trhisdone> but thats my opinion
[03:38] <UndiFineD> trhisdone, but ... we have the ubuntu font
[03:38] <UndiFineD> and it is free
[03:38]  * JoeMaverickSett uses Ubuntu fonts. ;)
[03:38] <trhisdone> yeah that looked pretty good to
[03:38] <trhisdone> the default font was horrible
[03:38] <UndiFineD> I just need a replacement for my fixed type courier
[03:39] <SPooN> so... If I save music to ~/home/music
[03:39] <SPooN> it automatically goes into Banshee?
[03:39] <JoeMaverickSett> SPooN: yes.
[03:39] <SPooN> Ubuntu is now hawt
[03:40]  * JoeMaverickSett backs away from Ubuntu. :P
[03:40] <SPooN> haha
[03:40]  * SPooN away
[03:42]  * SPooN back
[03:43] <stlsaint> SPooN: what irc client are you using?
[03:43] <trhisdone> i do have to say ubuntu was the smoothest install of all the linux distros i tried
[03:43] <SPooN> i'm using XChat
[03:43] <SPooN> stlsaint: why?
[03:44] <Mohan_chml> SPooN, /ignore stlsaint
[03:44] <Mohan_chml> xD
[03:44] <SPooN> I don't get it.
[03:44] <JoeMaverickSett> :D
[03:45] <JoeMaverickSett> SPooN: i think he wanted to say "don't let your irc client do away messages!"
[03:45]  * SPooN did those manually
[03:45] <stlsaint> SPooN: nevermind
[03:45] <SPooN> ./me (away or back)
[03:45] <stlsaint> MOHI!!!
[03:45]  * JoeMaverickSett runs.
[03:45] <Mohan_chml> Ohai stlsaint. you were here all these times? :P
[03:45] <SPooN> in any case, I'm really excited now. I can get my music back off my iPod into banshee
[03:45] <SPooN> <3 <3 <3
[03:47] <stlsaint> >:|
[03:47] <Mohan_chml> lol
[03:47] <SPooN> lol
[03:48] <SPooN> what IRC client to you folks use?
[03:48] <Cheri703> xchat
[03:48] <trhisdone> xchat
[03:48] <JoeMaverickSett> irssi! :D
[03:48] <Mohan_chml> idk :P
[03:48] <SPooN> i hated irssi
[03:49] <SPooN> I've been using xchat since my windows days though and <3 it
[03:49] <Mohan_chml> SPooN, i hated JoeMaverickSett
[03:49] <Mohan_chml> xD
[03:49] <SPooN> dun be hatin
[03:49]  * JoeMaverickSett walks away from the XCHAT folks.
[03:49] <Mohan_chml> JoeMaverickSett, you sure? i am also an xchatt'er
[03:49] <JoeMaverickSett> Mohan_chml: well, that's an exception. XD
[03:49]  * SPooN chases JoeMaverickSett
[03:50] <Mohan_chml> xD
[03:51] <SPooN> I don't get why people say Linux is so hard to use...
[03:51] <SPooN> I'm finding it pretty easy
[03:57] <trhisdone> i dont think its hard just different...people get used to windows and dont want to take the time to learn a different way so they say its hard
[03:58] <SPooN> yea, plus people unwilling to find help (like in here)
[03:59] <trhisdone> plus the software isn't the same so you gotta learn new software too
[04:00] <Mohan_chml> later peeps. have to leave for now o/
[04:00] <SPooN> yea, I'm off for a while too
[04:00]  * SPooN is off to bedbed
[10:30] <nlsthzn-work> Hi, I have a problem... my Ubuntu 10.10 netbook install is slow...
[10:34] <nlsthzn-work> I mean, I am using 10.10 netbook edition on my netbook and it is slow...
[10:38] <Timo_> can u give us more information aboujt your netbook n stuff nlsthzn-work
[10:42] <nlsthzn-work> Timo_: don't sweat it... just being annoyed with unity, I have a Samsung N150 and unity is bringing it too it's knees (even Windows 7 Starter was better)... if I stop being so lazy I will just re-install 10.04 and be happy again :)
[10:47] <Timo_> alright nlsthzn-work :D Linux Mint 10 is also very good
[10:49] <nlsthzn-work> Timo_: thx for the tip :)
[11:54] <Silver_Fox_> Hello.
[12:02] <nlsthzn-work> Hello s.fox
[12:04] <Silver_Fox_> Hello.
[12:05] <Silver_Fox_> How are you nlsthzn-work  ? Additionally I request that you ping my handle if you wish me to respond in good time. Thank you .
[12:07] <nlsthzn-work> Silver_Fox_: I am fine... and I am sure you would respond eventually...and if you didn't I would not have lost any sleep ;)
[13:53] <harrisonk> how do I unpack a tar.lzma.tar?
[13:54] <aveilleux> ....tar.lzma.tar?? Who would create such a monstrosity?
[13:56] <aveilleux> harrisonk: If Archive Manager can't handle it, I believe you can untar, then unarchive lzma, then untar again.
[13:56] <aveilleux> ...oh, he left :/
[13:58] <harrisonk> how would I unpack a tar.lzma.tar in ubuntu?
 harrisonk: If Archive Manager can't handle it, I believe you can untar, then unarchive lzma, then untar again.
[14:05] <harrisonk> okay thanks
[15:11] <zuluboy> Is it possible to select the software to install from the cd so as not to get all the defaults?
[15:36] <aveilleux> aargh, I could have answered zuluboy's problem
[15:59] <polochen> ...
[15:59] <polochen> IRC...sounds old...
[15:59] <polochen> anyone here?
[15:59] <polochen> knock knock?
[15:59] <jledbetter> who's there?
[16:01] <polochen> haha
[16:01] <polochen> hi ledbetter
[16:02] <polochen> oh, Jledbetter?
[16:02] <polochen> sorry
[16:02] <jledbetter> Oh, I thought this was a knock knock joke.
[16:02] <jledbetter> polochen, And, hello. :)
[16:02] <polochen> it is....followed by a newbie question...if anyone's here to answer it...^^
[16:03] <polochen> hmm...I guess even I'll keep googling
[16:04] <polochen> nice talking with u, jledbetter
[16:04] <polochen> ciao and u have a nice day/night!!
[16:04] <jledbetter> Lots--
[16:13] <aveilleux> uh
[16:13] <aveilleux> damn it
[16:13] <aveilleux> we need to set up ubot to autmoatically !ask anyone it doesn't recognize.
[16:14] <nlsthzn> but why did polochen never ask his question :/
[16:24] <jledbetter> Dunno, I was typing "Lots of folks here. Please ask away" when the person jumped back offline. :(
[16:26] <nUboon2Age> that happens sometimes jledbetter
[16:26] <nUboon2Age> ships passing in the night
[16:27] <jledbetter> Yes.
[16:27] <nUboon2Age> good mornin jledbetter
[16:29] <jledbetter> nUboon2Age, Good morning
[18:20] <nev> what do i do once i have unpacked a rar file to install drivers?
[18:21] <nlsthzn> ...oh oh... what drivers from where?
[18:21] <nev> getnet usb wireless adptr from getnet
[18:22] <nlsthzn> have a specific link so I can have a look?
[18:22] <nev> one sec..
[18:24] <nev> http://www.getnet.eu/products_GN-621U.html then linux drivers
[18:24] <nlsthzn> nev: brb, going to check it out :)
[18:26] <nlsthzn> ok, this is going to attempt to build the drivers from source code (which you have now downloaded)
[18:27] <nlsthzn> what I would suggest is to extract to a directory in your home folder, then open the readme file and have a look at installation method one..)
[18:28] <nlsthzn> AFAIK it isn't ideal to do this in Ubuntu exactly as it is spelled out in the read-me but I am not that clued up (have not done it that many times)
[18:28] <nev> yep, done that ,i have no idea how to do any of it! :(
[18:29] <nlsthzn> have you searched the forum for a thread on this specific NIC or driver?
[18:29] <nev> no, whats a NIC ?
[18:30] <nlsthzn> network card, sorry
[18:31] <nev> ok, understood.
[18:31] <nlsthzn> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1374037&highlight=RTL8192SU this might help alot
[18:32] <nev> ok, thanks, i will have a look. :)
[18:48] <nev> nlsthzn - thanks a few links along and there is a how to with the same chipset so i 'm about to give it a go. cheers
[18:51] <nlsthzn> nev: good luck!
[19:00] <Mohidevilz> Hola peeps. I've got an issue. When I was in a Lucid Live CD, I tried installing it. and Gparted shows /dev/sda alone. and it asked me to create new partition table. When I hit that, all previous data are lost. Am I supposed to install gpart and undo it?
[19:01] <nlsthzn> Mohidevilz: Hi, did you apply the changes? Did you see it actually create the new partitions etc?
[19:02] <Mohidevilz> nlsthzn: It never asked me to change. But got the new partition table saved :|
[19:03] <nlsthzn> Mohidevilz: if the new changes has been commited then I am afrain you have a serious problem (if you haven't backed up)
[19:03] <Mohidevilz> argh!
[19:04] <Mohidevilz> lemme give a shot to gpart then =]
[19:07] <nlsthzn> AFAIK there is no "magic" undo... but I hope I am wrong, however feel free to wait a bit, maybe somebody here will come up with the magic wand and help you out
[19:08] <Mohan_chml> Hmmm! I will change this connection to that old lappy first. :|
[20:07] <javatexan> how is little man doing?
[20:08] <bioterror> okay :D
[20:27] <harrisonk> Can someone help me download some source via GIT?
[20:29] <cprofitt> see everyone later
[20:35] <ibuclaw> harrisonk, git checkout URL dir
[20:35] <harrisonk> thanks
[20:37] <Maddeth> Hello all
[20:38] <yofel> actually, for git it would be 'git clone URL dir'
[20:39] <yofel> harrisonk: ^
[20:39] <yofel> checkout does something different
[20:43] <Maddeth> Hey bodhizazen
[20:46] <bodhizazen> 'lo all
[21:00] <Maddeth> bodhizazen, I dont think it is fair that I still have voice as I am not here very often. If you are happy to leave me with voice, I am happy :) if not then remove it :)
[21:18] <Maddeth> Hi again Solovei
[21:19] <Solovei> Oh hi Maddeth :)
[21:19] <Maddeth> are you looking for full docs covering unity? or just some advice
[21:20] <Maddeth> Solovei, ^
[21:20] <Solovei> Either one, actually. I'm having some confusion about files, as well...
[21:21] <Maddeth> Fire away, I will see what I can help with
[21:21] <Solovei> Well, for instance - I installed 7zip so I can open .rar archives, but I can't seem to find it in order to use it...
[21:22] <Maddeth> ah I see
[21:22] <Maddeth> through the repository?
[21:23] <Solovei> Yeah.
[21:23] <Maddeth> if you right click what you want to unzip, you should get the option to extract it Solovei
[21:24] <aveilleux> Solovei: the Archive Manager will pick up on most decompressors that are installed on the system. If you want to open rar files, just install unrar.
[21:24] <Maddeth> 7zip should cover it just as well really
[21:25] <Solovei> Yeah, when I try to extract/open it says that the archive type isn't supported.
[21:26] <Maddeth> in which case installing unrar would probably be the next best move as aveilleux suggested
[21:26] <Solovei> Okay, I'll try that.
[21:27] <Maddeth> if you sudo apt-get install rar
[21:27] <aveilleux> Maddeth: 7zip is a separate archive program, you run it from the terminal
[21:27] <aveilleux> Maddeth: sudo apt-get install unrar
[21:28] <Maddeth> I though 7zip covered all archive packages as rar does
[21:28] <Maddeth> aveilleux, I though unrar was in the "rar" package
[21:29] <Solovei> It does say it opens .rar on it's page...
[21:30] <Maddeth> Solovei,
[21:30] <Maddeth> nvm...
[21:30] <Maddeth> just typing out loud
[21:31] <aveilleux> Solovei: It does open rar files. It just isn't picked up by Archive Manager. 7zip is a command-line program.
[21:31] <Solovei> Oh, okay. Thanks. I guess I must've misread.
[21:32] <Maddeth> could crete  link that executes 7zip <command> on zipped files
[21:33] <Maddeth> create*
[21:33] <Maddeth> & a
[21:33] <Solovei> Also, this is a really stupid question but what exactly is the point of that Ubuntu button in the top left? Is that comparable to the start menu?
[21:34] <Solovei> Or, er... a windows start menu, I should say.
[21:34] <Maddeth> no idea, never ran a netbook flavour
[21:34] <Maddeth> but probably
[21:34] <Solovei> Hrm. I didn't think it would be that different.
[21:35] <aveilleux> Solovei: It's a launcher button. It's used as a launcher shortcut menu. The Unity interface doesn't like menus that much.
[21:36] <Solovei> Yeah, I noticed. That's rather convenient though. Also, can you still use sticky notes with unity?
[21:37] <aveilleux> Solovei: I dunno if the program is installed, but Tomboy is in the repos.
[21:38] <Solovei> Tomboy seems to be incapable of attaching individual notes to the desktop, though... Hang on, let me find the documentation.
[21:38] <aveilleux> Solovei: That's because Unity doesn't use Nautilus' desktop.
[21:39]  * aveilleux strongly dislikes Unity, to say the least.
[21:39] <Solovei> That seems a bit silly, to have an interface that doesn't really talk to the rest of the computer.
[21:39] <aveilleux> Yeah well... welcome to Canonical-made software.
[21:40] <Solovei> :P Thanks.
[21:40] <Solovei> I'm guessing you can't really get rid of Unity, either?
[21:41] <aveilleux> Solovei: You can install ubuntu-desktop and choose GNOME as the environment at login.
[21:42] <Solovei> But there's no way to get GNOME on the netbook version?
[21:43] <aveilleux> I just told you how to do exactly that.
[21:43] <aveilleux> The only difference between the versions is what is preinstalled. All of the software is available
[21:43] <Solovei> Oh, okay.
[21:45] <Solovei> There was something else... Oh! I'm using an EEEpc and there used to be a button combo to turn the wireless on and off - I've looked in the keyboard shortcuts, but is there a way to replicate that?
[21:46] <aveilleux> Doesn't Fn+F5 do it by default anyway?
[21:46] <Solovei> It's FN+F2 on mine.
[21:47] <aveilleux> Oh.
[21:48] <aveilleux> I don't know the way to se that specific combination up, no.
[21:48] <Solovei> Hrm. I looked at some of the stuff concerning the Netbook Remixes and the fixes for those, but they seem to concern version 8 only...
[21:49] <yofel> hm, fn+f2 never really worked here, at some point it worked, then it started causing kernel panics, currently (2.6.37) it does nothing on my 1000H
[21:49] <yofel> using rfkill works though
[21:50] <Solovei> what's that?
[21:50] <wolffu> Can anyone point me to the instructions for creating a personal Ubuntu Wiki page?
[21:51] <yofel> Solovei: command line tool to control the wireless/bluetooth switches - list devices with 'sudo rfkill list' and use un/block to enable/disable them
[21:51] <yofel> wolffu: just open a page like 'wiki.ubuntu.com/YourName' and click on the link to create it
[21:51]  * bodhizazen scrolls up
[21:51] <bodhizazen> Maddeth: up to you really
[21:51] <zkriesse> omg a bodhizazen !
[21:51] <bodhizazen> surprise =)
[21:52] <bodhizazen> I hope to become more active with the BT
[21:52] <wolffu> yofel, thanks...It doesn't need to be linked to my launchpad profile?
[21:52] <zkriesse> lolz
[21:53]  * zkriesse perks up at wiki
[21:53] <yofel> wolffu: not really, you create all wiki pages like that initally, some do use their LP ID as the wiki url though
[21:53] <yofel> I used my real name
[21:53] <wolffu> yofel, thanks a lot. I appreciate the info.
[21:53] <Maddeth> off to bed... had a long week last week, catchng up on sleep :)
[21:54] <Solovei> Maddeth, is there actually documentation on Unity or is it too new?
[21:54] <Maddeth> Solovei, there should be, have a look on Youtube, there are bound to be some vids, and maybe a wiki or 2
[21:55] <Maddeth> Solovei, Sorry I couldnt be of more help, never had a notebook, and not currently using ubuntu
[21:55] <Solovei> Alright, I'll see what I can come up with I guess. I feel kinda stupid because it seems like one of those things that's DEAD SIMPLE ... or is made to be, at least XD
[21:56] <Maddeth> Well, off to bed now, good luck Solovei and I may be on tomorrow (working from home ftw)
[21:56] <Solovei> Thanks for your help, Maddeth!
[21:56] <Maddeth> more than welcome
[22:53] <sebsebseb> Hi
[22:58] <SPooN> anyone else not able to get onto the Linux Mint site?
[22:58] <Timo_> SPooN: llemme check
[22:58] <SPooN> Timo_: thanks
[22:58] <Timo_> I'm in..
[22:59] <Timo_> though a bit slow
[22:59] <SPooN> ok
[22:59] <SPooN> debating getting Mint 10... never made a Live CD before though. I"ll look into it after work
[23:03] <Timo_> SPooN: it is totally awesome :D
[23:03] <SPooN> Timo_ Running Ubuntu atm. I'll try to find a spare CD sometime to atleast check it out, might even go ahead and torrent it
[23:04] <SPooN> while not doing anything that requires me to not have Transmission runnning
[23:06] <SPooN> should I get Debian version or Julia?
[23:07] <SPooN> 0 of 12 connected peers... fasepalm
[23:17] <Timo_> SPooN: your call.. I'm using Julia
[23:30] <SPooN> wow 12 peers getting uploaded to from me
[23:39] <UndiFineD> I say wow when i have 12 MBps
[23:39] <UndiFineD> atm it is 4
[23:44] <SPooN> I have about 30KBps...