[00:00] <dscassel> Meeting time!
[00:00] <dscassel> Agenda is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Meetings/2010-11-14
[00:01] <dscassel> Feel free to introduce yourselves.  I'm Darcy and I'm going to be facilitating.  I'm in Waterloo, ON.
[00:01] <ZykoticK9> George from Ottawa.  Hello all.
[00:01] <BobJonkman> I'm Bob, in Elmira, just north of Waterloo
[00:02] <hypatia> I'm Leigh, I'm in Toronto, and have been a bit of a flake lately :)
[00:02] <dscassel> Mass call! [thor] jaguar rgreening txwikinger FiReSTaRT kenjy RobotGrrl billybigrigger ilan IdleOne Kulag sipherdee willwh cxo SmartSsa zul Infoverload starcraftman
[00:02] <dscassel> Hi ZykoticK9! Did you guys have the Ubuntu Hour last week?
[00:03] <RobotGrrl> Hi ^^
[00:03] <RobotGrrl> ooooh this is a meeting? nifty!
[00:03] <ZykoticK9> dscassel, yup - only 3 people showed up though (my fault for not advertising)
[00:03] <FiReSTaRT> yo yo yo
[00:03] <dscassel> Hi RobotGrrl. We're settling in for a bit of a meeting.
[00:03] <RobotGrrl> nice!! :D
[00:03] <BobJonkman> 3 people is good.
[00:03] <dscassel> ZykoticK9: Awesome. :D
[00:03] <hypatia> wooo meeting
[00:03] <cxo> huh?
[00:04] <dscassel> cxo: Meeting!  We're going to talk about Ubuntu Canada stuffs.
[00:05] <dscassel> If you've never been before, let us know where you're from and (briefly) what you do, Ubuntu-wise.
[00:05] <FiReSTaRT> im just gonna step out for a quick smoke before we REALLY get into it :)
[00:05]  * FiReSTaRT brb
[00:05] <dscassel> Sure.
[00:06] <vikram> Yup, from Ottawa, just a hacker. , and yes, that was me who left :)
[00:07] <vikram> Long time Redhat/Fedora convert
[00:07] <dscassel> vikram: Welcome!
[00:08] <dscassel> vikram: ZykoticK9 runs the monthly Ubuntu Hour in Ottawa, if you've never been.
[00:08] <dscassel> I'll give people a minute or two more to wander in.
[00:08]  * BobJonkman waits impatiently for the cookies to be brought out
[00:09] <vikram> I've been writing a lot of GTK code recently. And been keen on the idea of formerly contributing to Ubuntu, if it could pay the bills
[00:09] <dscassel> BobJonkman: I didn't bring any cookies. But if you're willing to share...
[00:10] <dscassel> vikram: Ah, everyone's fondest dream. :)
[00:10] <dscassel> Anyway, let's get this thing going...
[00:10] <vikram> Very work in progress app that I have high hopes for, one day, http://amatory.sourceforge.net/
[00:10] <dscassel> Like I said, agenda here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Meetings/2010-11-14
[00:10] <dscassel> Re-approval!
[00:11] <dscassel> We submitted our application and wait patiently for an official response.
[00:11]  * FiReSTaRT back
[00:11] <dscassel> Looks good, though.  We have several votes in our favour so far. No complaints.
[00:11] <hypatia> awesome
[00:11] <dscassel> The application is here, incidentally: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/ReApprovalApplication2010
[00:12] <dscassel> I was hoping we'd hear back by the meeting, but it may be a day or two yet.  I'll post to the ML when I hear officially.
[00:12] <dscassel> Administrivia!
[00:13] <dscassel> Our illustrious leader 2006-2010, Corey Burger actually stepped down a while ago.
[00:13]  * FiReSTaRT looking over the application in its final form
[00:13] <dscassel> He said he'd stick around and help with the reapproval process.
[00:14] <dscassel> And now, he's quietly slipped away.
[00:14] <dscassel> txwikinger and I have stepped in to take the role of "LoCo contact."
[00:14] <hypatia> woot
[00:14] <dscassel> And I want to emphasize that it's "contact" and not "team leader" or anything like that.
[00:15] <FiReSTaRT> looking good.. i don't see why we wouldn't get approved
[00:15] <dscassel> Our job is to act as contact for the LoCo council, so they don't have to go trying to find people.
[00:15] <FiReSTaRT> how are we gonna select our new jefe?
[00:16] <BobJonkman> Do we need a Grand Poohbah?
[00:16] <dscassel> FiReSTaRT: We just did. Kind of. Like I said, we're more of an autonomous colective.
[00:16] <dscassel> :)
[00:16] <dscassel> Ideally, people just kind of get on with things.
[00:17] <FiReSTaRT> ahh ok.. i thought it was an interim measure.. not that i feel an overwhelming need for someone on top.. it was more like idle curiosity
[00:17] <hypatia> i think if it doesn't work, we can talk elections
[00:17] <hypatia> but let's see how they do? :)
[00:18] <dscassel> As far as I can tell, all a LoCo does, nationally, is run a website and maintain a few channels of communication.
[00:18] <FiReSTaRT> hypatia: won't hear any argument from me (another indicator that we're ok without a single head)
[00:19] <dscassel> I'd like to see groups spring up on a local level.  And I'm not too picky about how they run themselves, either.
[00:19] <dscassel> So long as everyone plays nice.
[00:19] <FiReSTaRT> darcy: was it michael who wanted to run the show in toronto or am i way off?
[00:20] <dscassel> Michael? Is this recent?
[00:20] <FiReSTaRT> darcy: actually pretty stale.. probably at least 6 months old
[00:20] <dscassel> Is that genii?
[00:21] <FiReSTaRT> darcy: not sure.. i know i added him on the msn at the time but we never really got into it and haven't talked here
[00:21] <dscassel> Right now, hypatia is pretty much heading up Ubuntu Toronto, by virtue of the fact that she's here and she ran a release party. :)
[00:21] <FiReSTaRT> again, no arguments from me
[00:22] <hypatia> the current toronto plan is to alternate between hacklab and linuxcaffe
[00:22] <dscassel> I don't want people to get territorial or anything, either.  We should be able to work together.
[00:22] <dscassel> (I hope, anyway)
[00:23] <FiReSTaRT> good plan.. actually i like the idea of being out and about, with the only real constraint being suitable locations
[00:23] <dscassel> Anyway, I'm going to be contacting the people with team admin status on Launchpad and see if they still want to participate.
[00:23] <FiReSTaRT> that's especially true for release parties where you REALLY need rj45 for installs
[00:23] <dscassel> And do a little bit of clean-up if they've moved on.
[00:24] <dscassel> We'll probably set up an admin team that we can add people to, but we can talk about that more next meeting.
[00:25] <hypatia> we did that with ubuntu women, it wasn't too tricky
[00:25] <dscassel> Yeah, the website team is like that too.
[00:25] <dscassel> (ubuntu-ca-website, that is)
[00:25] <BobJonkman> Speaking of Website...
[00:25] <dscassel> Indeed...
[00:25] <dscassel> Website!
[00:26] <hypatia> woooo website!
[00:26] <dscassel> Uh, no update, really.  Still waiting on our ticket.
[00:26] <BobJonkman> http://ubuntu-ca.org/
[00:26] <dscassel> Kinda frustrating. People I've talked to are sympathetic, but we're not the only ones waiting around.
[00:27] <FiReSTaRT> gotta love the red tape
[00:27] <dscassel> As a reminder, our future website is at this temporary address: http://ubuntu-ca.jankeconsulting.ca/
[00:28] <dscassel> Looks like the twitter feed broke at some point.
[00:28] <dscassel> Anyway...
[00:28] <dscassel> If there's nothing else, last item on the agenda tonight...
[00:28] <dscassel> LUG Outreach!
[00:29] <dscassel> I sent a message to the mailing list, talking about what I'm thinking on this one.
[00:29]  * FiReSTaRT eagerly waiting for darcy to start some discussion on mailing list and with individuals :P
[00:30] <FiReSTaRT> darcy: on a bit of a side-note, it looks like i'm not on it for some reason... ill add myself to it
[00:30] <dscassel> FiReSTaRT: Oh, yeah... It's been a busy few weeks.  The next few aren't goign to slow down, either. :)
[00:31] <dscassel> Basically, if there's a LUG where you are, sign up on their mailing list and maybe attend a meeting.
[00:31] <dscassel> Let them know that we exist and we can help them publicize any tangentially Ubuntu-related events.
[00:32] <dscassel> And it would be nice if they'd join our ML, IRC and forum, so they can help people or get help as needed.
[00:32]  * FiReSTaRT is pretty sure that hypatia knows that we exist :P
[00:33] <dscassel> FiReSTaRT: I mean TLUG or GTALUG.  Things like that.
[00:33] <hypatia> FiReSTaRT: i'm aware, yes
[00:34] <dscassel> Anyways... The Linux community is really disconnected AFAICT. I know about my LUG, but not much more than that.
[00:34] <dscassel> Let's see if we can change that.
[00:34]  * vikram sees no Canadian flag on http://ubuntu-ca.org/
[00:34] <FiReSTaRT> that is a good idea and there isn't much info on the ecosystem out there
[00:35] <BobJonkman> I think the whole tech community is disconnected from each other.
[00:35] <dscassel> vikram: ubuntu-ca.org is problematic.  We're trying to move to a different site so we can mess with the theme, etc.
[00:36] <BobJonkman> There are small movements afoot to fix that.  Gotta be profitable for someone...
[00:36]  * FiReSTaRT on th elist
[00:37] <vikram> We have something called CodeFactory in Ottawa, Have you heard of it?
[00:37] <dscassel> There was CLUE (http://cluecan.ca/).  And I haven't ruled out working with them somehow.
[00:37] <dscassel> Don't seem quite as active lately...
[00:38] <vikram> http://thecodefactory.ca/
[00:38] <vikram> I've given some Linux Boot Camp presentations there
[00:38] <vikram> (rather open source boot camp)
[00:38] <hypatia> i don't think CLUE really exists anymore
[00:39] <hypatia> ottawa also has the ModLab
[00:39] <dscassel> hypatia: I know Russel's still around doing stuff, but yeah.
[00:39] <hypatia> http://artengine.ca/modlab/index.php/Main_Page
[00:40] <dscassel> vikram: Maybe they'd be willing to let you give a presentation?
[00:41] <dscassel> I'm going to try to figure out how to do a "getting involved in Ubuntu" talk.  I'll be happy to share whatever I come up with.
[00:41] <hypatia> sweet!
[00:43] <dscassel> That's all I had... If there's nothing else...?
[00:43] <BobJonkman> The re-approval application says something about reviving LinuxFest-- does that tie in?
[00:43] <dscassel> BobJonkman: Yeah, definitely.
[00:43] <BobJonkman> tie in with outreach, &c?
[00:44] <dscassel> I'm still sad about Linux fest.
[00:44] <BobJonkman> Me too. FSOSS didn't seem a suitable alternative
[00:44] <dscassel> No. I'd like to go, but it's not a user conf.
[00:45] <BobJonkman> I heard someone talking about SoOnCon2011 already ;-)  Any Ubuntu tie-in to that?
[00:45] <dscassel> BobJonkman: txwikinger is the one involved in the LinuxFest stuff.  He's being a bit coy about it (early days), but he might be willing to let you know what's going on there.
[00:46] <dscassel> BobJonkman: Yeah, we'll probably do something.  I'm likely going to be there, anyway.
[00:47] <dscassel> It's a different focus, though.  But there are lots of Ubuntu users there.
[00:47] <dscassel> http://sooncon.ca/wiki/Main_Page
[00:47] <hypatia> sooncon was awesome :D
[00:47] <BobJonkman> Whoa!  2012!!
[00:48] <vikram> haha
[00:48] <dscassel> Yeah. :D
[00:48] <hypatia> 2012 is SoOnCamp, which will also be epic
[00:48] <hypatia> 2011 is going to hopefully be held in downtown toronto at...drumroll....
[00:48] <hypatia> the bell lightbox
[00:48] <hypatia> o_0
[00:48] <dscassel> 2011 will be in Toronto. 2012 has taken over the front page due to epicness.
[00:48] <hypatia> nerd camping ftw
[00:49] <vikram> and whats with the logo even
[00:49] <dscassel> :D
[00:49] <dscassel> vikram: You're still looking at ubuntu-ca.org?
[00:49] <dscassel> Don't look at it.  It's painful.
[00:49] <vikram> no soonco.ca...
[00:49] <dscassel> Oh, that.  I have no idea, actually.
[00:50] <dscassel> I think it was just meant to look cool laser-etched on ABS plastic and side-lit by LEDs.
[00:50] <dscassel> (That tends to be the sort of aesthetic this crowd goes for. :)
[00:51] <vikram> I have a 1hr presentation to give to an Engineering Management class at the University of Ottawa this Wednesday on Using and Producing open sauce. Could throw some Ubuntuism into the mix
[00:51] <dscassel> vikram: Awesome.
[00:51] <dscassel> Mm, open sauce.
[00:51] <hypatia> vikram: cool!  have you seen the "Producing Open Source Software" book the svn folks wrote?
[00:51] <vikram> I've heard of it. Havent read it
[00:52] <hypatia> it's great :)
[00:52] <vikram> My talk will be very much about $$ related things. Politics, Legal issues. All the yucky stuff actually :)
[00:54] <hypatia> that's a lot of what that book is about
[00:54] <hypatia> :)
[00:55] <hypatia> also worthwhile: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4216011961522818645
[00:56] <willwh> hi guys
[00:56] <willwh> sorry I'm late!
[00:56] <dscassel> Hi willwh, just wrapping up. :)
[00:56] <willwh> bah
[00:56] <dscassel> Anything you'd like to add before we close it down?
[00:56] <willwh> nope :)
[00:56] <dscassel> (Feel free to stick around, of course :)
[00:56] <vikram> I'll embed subliminal "Use Ubuntu" slides inbetween pages. Given the crowd is usually made up of Apple users. They might not even get it
[00:57] <dscassel> Okay, I'll formally end the meeting.  Thanks everyone. :)
[00:57] <dscassel> vikram: don't let me interrupt. :)
[00:57]  * FiReSTaRT blows chunks at the very mention of (cr)apple
[00:58] <vikram> Actually getting Apple consumers to use Ubuntu on the desktop is a good initiative in my opinion.
[00:58] <FiReSTaRT> small market and most of them already received HUGE doses of kool-aid
[00:58] <vikram> There are a lot more people using iPhones and Windows than an entire Apple ecosystem
[00:59] <willwh> hey vikram; I'd be interesting to read your notes - as I obviously won't be at your talk
[00:59] <willwh> that sounds like the kind of icky stuff I'm interested in.
[01:00] <hypatia> there are plenty of people using iCrap who are unhappy with it :)
[01:00] <vikram> really?
[01:00] <hypatia> oh for sure
[01:01] <willwh> indeed
[01:01] <vikram> I thought the saying was "Apple users love their Macs, and PC users 'put up' with their PCs"
[01:01] <willwh> well talking to a few friends, some devs...
[01:01] <willwh> osx does some silly things
[01:01] <willwh> especially in the shell
[01:03] <vikram> Do you guys know whats happening with the *office on the next Ubuntu? Is it going to be libreoffice based or OO.org?
[01:03] <hypatia> it's already go-oo
[01:04] <hypatia> but i think the plan is to go with libreoffice
[01:04] <willwh> well, many people are not so hot on oracle
[01:04] <willwh> will be interesting to see what happens to OOo
[01:04] <hypatia> snorcle
[01:04] <vikram> I'm worried with all the brand recognition that would be lost if not going with openoffice
[01:05] <willwh> I certainly think that is an issue vikram
[01:05] <vikram> I mean people know what OpenOffice is. And even Microsoft has started actively campaigning against it. Its definitely a sign its on the way up
[01:06] <dscassel> But if Oracle owns the brand and they're willing to let it stagnate, what's the alternative?
[01:07] <vikram> (If you guys havent seen their latest campaign yet - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoZv6Gb_mYo )
[01:07] <willwh> I have not.
[01:07] <dscassel> Yeah, saw that. :)
[01:07] <vikram> I dont know what Oracle is doing. They are chasing everyone using Java now with their "java patents"
[01:08] <vikram> HTC and Motorola are now both in court because Google is too big for Oracle to chew on
[01:09] <vikram> I wonder what would have happened if SUN didnt GPL Java before the acquisition. What might have happened
[01:10] <willwh> hrm, interesting vid
[01:11] <dscassel> Thank heavens for free software. :)
[01:13] <vikram> Well Gandhi knew what he was talking about. All this modern management literature (Innovators Solution) just points to that business of incumbents first ignoring you. If you're keeping score, next stage is, we win
[01:14] <vikram> I take that ad campaign as a "Hello  World. We now recognise openoffice as being on par with Microsoft Office"
[01:15]  * BobJonkman is working on meeting minutes
[01:15] <BobJonkman> We didn't really accomplish much, did we?
[01:15] <dscassel> Thanks, BobJonkman
[01:15] <dscassel> Not as many exciting things going on.
[01:16] <dscassel> We're going to have to start making our own excitement. :)
[01:16] <BobJonkman> Basically, we checked off each agenda item, nodded our heads and said "Yup, uh huh."
[01:16] <hypatia> BobJonkman: much of the accomplishment is just in showing up
[01:16] <hypatia> :)
[01:27] <dscassel> BobJonkman: It would probably help if people had jobs, but I don't even know what *I*'m supposed to do half the time. :)
[01:28] <BobJonkman> dscassel:  Well, as long as you know what to do the other half of the time :-)
[01:30] <dscassel> One thing I like out of this is reporting on the stuff you've done.  Which I noticed got left out of this meeting.
[01:30]  * dscassel said in passive voice, knowing full well he was the one who left it out.
[01:31] <dscassel> Monthly report time is two weeks away, but it doesn't hurt.
[01:32] <dscassel> Maybe we should formalize the city team thing a little.  Then have people do team reports at the meeting...
[01:32] <dscassel> Maybe?
[01:35] <hypatia> we should at least have reporting on the agenda for next meeting
[01:40] <BobJonkman> There was the report on the Ottawa Ubuntu Hour
[01:56] <BobJonkman> OK, minutes done.  Pls check and fix any deficiencies: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Meetings/2010-11-14#Minutes
[02:03] <dscassel> Awesome. Thanks, BobJonkman.
[02:38] <dscassel> Ugh. OpenOffice.org just crashed gdm for the second time.
[02:38] <dscassel> It really doesn't like me dragging stuff around this presentation.
[02:38] <dscassel> I'm starting to believe that Microsoft video..
[23:38] <KombuchaKip> Wow, Ubuntu Vancouver made a great promo video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i22efbYLj70
[23:57]  * hiko_hitokiri is away: Estoy ocupado