[03:02] <hads> Morning
[03:03] <ibeardslee> good of you to join us ;)
[18:40] <ibeardslee> morning
[18:52] <ajmitch> morning
[19:06] <Atamira> mornin
[19:42] <ibeardslee> mutter mutter evil hp mutter
[19:43] <ibeardslee> priced a laptop for a collegue .. 31c more for FreeDOS instead of Windows
[19:43] <ajmitch> heh
[19:43] <ajmitch> this comes as no surprise
[19:43] <ibeardslee> that would imply that each time I use Windows .. MS needs to pay me 31 cents
[19:44] <ajmitch> Somehow I don't think they'll see it like that
[19:44] <ajmitch> Maybe that it'd be 31c over the life of the computer
[19:45] <ibeardslee> well it does mean that it costs less than free software .. so I should be able to install it to what ever machine I want. .. no?
[19:45] <ajmitch> no
[19:46] <ajmitch> MS in their infinite generosity have given you a license to use it on one machine
[19:47] <ibeardslee> but it costs less than free software.
[19:52] <ibeardslee> I think it is time to look further afield for linux laptops than HP
[20:01] <ajmitch> how I love screwing up upgrades & having to use obscure apt options to force it through :)
[20:11] <Atamira> dont dell have linux laptops?
[20:11] <Atamira> granted, not on the nz dell website
[20:11] <Atamira> what about laptops with no OS on it ibeardslee ?
[20:13] <ibeardslee> Atamira: where from?  Happy to go that way if I can find them .. for sale and supported in NZ.
[20:14] <ibeardslee> I tried getting a Dell laptop in NZ without Windows.  Clearly on their website, until you go to buy it.
[20:14] <ibeardslee> When I called asking about it, they removed it from the nz website
[20:14] <Atamira> yeah...its not available here..wasnt in oz either when i was there
[20:14] <Atamira> http://www.pbtech.co.nz/index.php
[20:15] <Atamira> they had laptops and desktops with no OS on them
[20:15] <ibeardslee> we are now getting our PCs from Silicon Systems in Petone
[20:16] <Atamira> we have one of those up here in auckland
[20:16] <Atamira> but pbtechnologies in cheaper
[20:16] <Atamira> tho they do add the gst on it AFTER wards
[20:16] <ibeardslee> unfortunately they sell Toshiba laptops .. which although nice hardware .. Toshiba told me they won't sell laptops without Windows
[21:06] <hads> ibeardslee: Not surprising at all, I've had several suppliers of Linux laptops arrive and then disappear over the years.
[21:10] <ojwb> morning
[21:12] <thumper> morning
[21:43] <mwhudson> morning
[22:38] <ojwb> my partner's just upgraded to lucid, and spent some time hunting through the desktop config options trying to move the buttons back to the right
[22:38] <ojwb> she couldn't believe you can change all sorts of theme frippery, but not that
[22:49] <mwhudson> ojwb: http://havethebuttonsmovedbackyet.com/
[22:49] <ojwb> they don't seem to work
[22:50]  * ajmitch preferred the windows 3.1 layout
[22:51]  * ojwb thinks these overlapping windows are a passing fad