[00:40] <WACOMalt> I have a seq24 question now. I have set up seq24, and it correctly sends midi to ZynAddSubFX when I use the piano keys on the left of the seq24 edit window. But when I arm the sequence and hit play, it will not play any sound.
[00:41] <WACOMalt> obviously it is connected correctly, or the keys wouldnt work. But something is broken on the actual play/performance window preventing it from making a peep.
[00:45] <ventrik> Not trying to be a dick, but sometimes I do this to myself, is your volume turned up/not muted?
[00:45] <ventrik> Same with play back
[00:45] <ventrik> lol
[00:46] <ventrik> I mute my shit all the time and can't figure out why I've got no audio
[00:46] <WACOMalt> lol nope
[00:46] <WACOMalt> sound works in seq24, just not when actually trying to playback a sequence
[00:46] <ventrik> Check the recording settings
[00:47] <ventrik> I don't know that program so I'm just guessing
[00:47] <ventrik> Only thing I've used it DJ Scratch Live and Reason
[00:48] <ventrik> And oddly AE
[00:48] <WACOMalt> heheh
[00:49] <WACOMalt> nah, this is all through jack. But there's no connections for seq24. it relys solely on midi ports. Methinks Ima try some other sequencer
[00:50] <ventrik> Ohhh
[00:51] <ventrik> Use Reason
[00:51] <WACOMalt> lol
[00:51] <WACOMalt> I'm not a big fan of reason actually. It's incredibly capable, but for some reason this setup gets my crewative juices flowing better
[00:52] <ventrik> Ahh
[00:52] <WACOMalt> but I am int he mood to write music right now, and I simply cant... so maybe you're right. Until I get seq24 figured out at least
[00:52] <WACOMalt> brb on my windows side
[00:58] <ventrik> I gotta go AFK if someone is here and when he gets back in give him this link for me
[00:58] <ventrik> http://jazzplusplus.sourceforge.net/
[00:58] <ventrik> I'm looking at you holstein
[00:59] <ventrik> Or Virtu
[00:59] <ventrik> lol
[00:59] <virtu> hi
[00:59] <virtu> I am back
[00:59] <ventrik> Read what I just wrote
[00:59] <ventrik> lol
[00:59] <ventrik> AFK
[00:59]  * virtu lol
[00:59] <virtu> =P
[00:59] <virtu> just in time
[01:21] <ventrik> I guess he never came back
[01:22] <ventrik> Virtu: You make zee music yes?
[01:22] <virtu> zee?
[01:23] <ventrik> Jah, zee music
[01:23] <virtu> ventrik, you are right. WACOMalt didnt get back yet
[01:23] <virtu> zee means?
[01:23] <ventrik> Think
[01:23] <ventrik> Thee
[01:23] <ventrik> The
[01:23] <ventrik> I am typing with zee akcents ya?
[01:24] <ventrik> But I digress, you make make music? If so I'd like to hear a sample and know what you use.
[01:25] <virtu> I play the piano, but I am restarting to learn it
[01:25] <virtu> right now I use audacity to record or JACK and ardour
[01:26] <ventrik> Any other equipment and/or samples?
[01:26] <ventrik> I'm not familer with Linux system, as such I'm going to look up those programs
[01:27] <virtu> ventrik, never used softwares to record or mix it up before
[01:27] <ventrik> I meant physical equipment
[01:27] <virtu> ahh
[01:28] <virtu> guitar, keyboard, sax
[01:28] <virtu> but never played well
[01:28] <virtu> just played around for fun
[01:28] <virtu> but keyboard or piano I play a little better because I had classes when child
[01:28] <ventrik> JACK, from what I read is only useful on a network? Rather, if you are only going to use one machine, let's say a laptop, to do ALL the work from start to end, JACK would be useless?
[01:29] <ventrik> I don't have Linux working yet and I'm too busy currently to make it work
[01:29] <ventrik> But probably this week
[01:30] <ventrik> I mean JACK sounds very useful for syncing up recordings as they are being made from multiple sources.
[01:32] <virtu> ventrik, maybe I am wrong but JACK is a service that will manage all your connections, like hardware and software, it will be very usefull if you'll use a lots of connections I guess
[01:32] <ventrik> Ah
[01:32] <ventrik> That's what I thought
[01:32] <virtu> "... from multiple sources" the same throught that I had
[01:33] <virtu> so JACK will be your service and ardour your main screen to work
[01:33] <virtu> if you use JACK and ardour
[01:33] <virtu> ardour seems very complete
[01:33] <ventrik> Ardour looks nice
[01:34] <ventrik> Audiacity I've used and that was just to make some full length songs work as ring tones lmfao
[01:34] <virtu> http://acidcow.com/pics/14897-dogs-diary-vs-cats-diary-2-pics.html LOL =D
[01:35] <virtu> ventrik, audacity is just a start (I am on this level) =)
[01:36] <virtu> I dont have any plans to invest some huge time in computer habilities to mix or create music... just to record
[01:36] <virtu> and maybe use hydrogen in future
[01:36] <ventrik> IF you are just starting a fun thing to do it to record riffs only
[01:36] <ventrik> Just record one riff at a time, all the riffs you can think of on all your instruments
[01:36] <ventrik> It's a task but it's well worth it
[01:38] <virtu> good idea... another thing that maybe I'd like to try is remix some stuff
[01:38] <ventrik> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbAUwi4D3Ew
[01:38] <ventrik> Well that's what you'd do
[01:38] <ventrik> Also when making new songs
[01:38] <ventrik> Sometimes you just want to add something else t oa certain spot
[01:38] <ventrik> Instead of having to write something new and record it
[01:38] <ventrik> Just build it out of the riffs
[01:39] <virtu> nice example
[01:39] <ventrik> I do that in After Effects with clasccial music
[01:39] <virtu> lounge music
[01:40] <virtu> a nice sound of piano with a nice delay
[01:40] <virtu> and eletric drums
[01:40] <ventrik> I have a 15 gig repository of all the musical sounds an orchestra can do. Well maybe not all but 15 gigs worth of 2-30 second clips of a single instrument
[01:40] <virtu> thatś a lot of sample
[01:40] <ventrik> And I can just take them and layer them up and make all new songs as long as I need them
[01:40] <virtu> where are u from?
[01:40] <ventrik> From or live?
[01:40] <virtu> live
[01:41] <ventrik> Two different places sir
[01:41] <ventrik> Florida
[01:41] <virtu> I already been in florida... 1996
[01:41] <ventrik> I don't DJ anymore
[01:41] <virtu> I am from Brazil
[01:41] <ventrik> From Ireland
[01:41] <ventrik> Me madre used to be a purser for Pan-am and United
[01:42] <ventrik> Used to be based out of Sao Palo, Buenos Aires, and some other places in South A.
[01:42] <virtu> do you know a group/band/dj Chicane?
[01:42] <ventrik> Maybe
[01:42] <virtu> I live in south of Brazil
[01:42] <ventrik> Oh yes
[01:43] <virtu> Porto Alegre
[01:43] <ventrik> That's old
[01:43] <ventrik> Not a big fan of Trance though, I prefer Drum and bass and dubstep
[01:43] <virtu> I am listening right now Low Sun... nice song at all
[01:44] <virtu> for create music I think that I have more influences on lounge and new age style
[01:44] <ventrik> Here try this
[01:44] <ventrik> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_OTPV5o954
[01:44] <virtu> salt water is a classic from chicane, right?
[01:44] <ventrik> Si
[01:44] <virtu> piano + strings makes a nice set
[01:44] <ventrik> That's Mt Eden's dubstep remix
[01:45] <virtu> you always came to this channel?
[01:46] <ventrik> As of yesterday
[01:46] <virtu> because I had a piano riff that I am planning to record it and try to do something like the youtube video
[01:46] <ventrik> Actually here, Mt Eden's big hit Sierra Leone played on the piano.
[01:46] <ventrik> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z48BWNKd3pw
[01:46] <virtu> at this moment I just need to receive a better audio interface
[01:47] <virtu> nice
[01:48] <ventrik> And you play Sax, so I'll assume you like Jazz.
[01:48] <virtu> played in the past..
[01:48] <virtu> played some bossa nova
[01:48] <ventrik> Ohhh
[01:48] <ventrik> Bossa Nova!
[01:48] <ventrik> I've get her songs stuck in my head
[01:49] <virtu> that's something that I can handle with piano and some battery
[01:49] <ventrik> Here is another idea for your piano work
[01:49] <ventrik> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PKDiWU2WHY
[01:49] <virtu> great ventrik
[01:50] <virtu> just great... something like that I'll try in future
[01:50]  * virtu bookmarking
[01:50] <ventrik> It's a long song but really you just record each section as it's own then you put them all together and add the other elements to it, like the last section of the piece
[01:50] <ventrik> Which is around the 3:30 mark
[01:50] <ventrik> It gets insane
[01:51] <virtu> sure
[01:52] <ventrik> Can that even be done on a piano or is that edited?
[01:52] <virtu> for my records I am waiting a behringer uca202 audio interface
[01:52] <virtu> ventrik, in a workstation can do it
[01:53] <virtu> workstation means a keyboard that can edit music without a computer
[01:53] <virtu> ventrik, like Korg Oasis, Yamaha MOTIF series, Roland FANTOM
[01:53] <ventrik> Ahh
[01:53] <ventrik> I was about to say Korg Oasis
[01:53] <ventrik> lol
[01:54] <ventrik> Do you happen to have a Nintenod DS?
[01:54] <virtu> with digital piano you only get a better sound and heavier keys to simulate the actions of piano's key
[01:54] <virtu> ventrik, I sold mine =P
[01:54] <virtu> to get some money to bought the piano
[01:54] <ventrik> That's a shame
[01:55] <virtu> wait a second
[01:55] <ventrik> Watch this
[01:55] <ventrik> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0vA1NveCzc
[01:55] <ventrik> It even has a Kaos pad
[01:57] <virtu> Yamaha DGX230: http://www.4shared.com/audio/sUiJ4LVy/Uma_Hora_Consigo_2.html
[01:57] <ventrik> You?
[01:57] <virtu> very in the beggining when I was playing around with some stuff
[01:57] <virtu> sure
[01:58] <virtu> it seems out of sync, but I'd like to invest some time in the melody
[01:58] <ventrik> Work on your beat count
[01:58] <ventrik> Some of it comes out like it was being rushed
[01:58] <ventrik> But it sounds good
[01:59] <virtu> ventrik, that was recorded into windows 7 and audacity
[02:00] <virtu> Kawai ES6: http://www.4shared.com/audio/xcy0n1fn/Final_Fantasy_-_Aeriths_Theme.html
[02:01] <virtu> this second one I recorded today using Ubuntu 10.10 and audacity
[02:01] <virtu> lots of noise =(
[02:01] <ventrik> What noise?
[02:02] <ventrik> In the highs?
[02:02] <virtu> hmm now you said something that I figure out
[02:02] <virtu> it can be my soundcard when playing that
[02:02] <ventrik> Sounds like compression
[02:02]  * virtu saving the mp3 file into his mp3 player
[02:03] <virtu> changing sound source
[02:03] <ventrik> Record to FLAC
[02:03] <ventrik> Then when you are done
[02:03] <ventrik> Compress to MP3
[02:03] <virtu> I got a demo recorded and saved to flac
[02:04] <ventrik> Let me hear that
[02:04] <virtu> http://www.4shared.com/account/file/_ZT52dy3/Kawai_ES6_Piano_and_Strings.html
[02:05] <virtu> search for a downlod button
[02:05] <virtu> download
[02:05] <ventrik> Yeah got it :p
[02:05] <ventrik> Waiting on the timer
[02:05] <virtu> it's a piano + string demo from Kawai
[02:05] <virtu> played on Kawai ES6 model
[02:06] <ventrik> You know what else can cause unwated bit background static sound
[02:06] <ventrik> You need to check your grounds
[02:06] <virtu> to eliminate noise I can save as midi
[02:06] <ventrik> But that would only be if you just has a single static sound that didn't change
[02:06] <virtu> but need some sample to play it
[02:06] <ventrik> Playing now
[02:07] <ventrik> I'm not hearing anything out of the ordinary
[02:08] <ventrik> And the sound wave looks clean
[02:08] <virtu> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smE-uIljiGo
[02:09] <virtu> ventrik, to record the flac I used the same process... in a few weeks I will have a better hardware and play around it
[02:09] <ventrik> Reminds me of guitar tapping
[02:09] <ventrik> In the first songs I was just hearing double compression
[02:09] <ventrik> In the flac
[02:09] <ventrik> It's clean
[02:10] <virtu> for my listenings and backup I will save it as flac...
[02:10] <ventrik> Basically when you upload an MP3 to a site that converts it into a flash
[02:10] <virtu> got it a sandisk fuze 1st model to play flac files
[02:10] <ventrik> It get's compressed a second time
[02:11] <virtu> ahh nice to know that...
[02:11] <ventrik> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xohcxxt6oHo
[02:13] <ventrik> Well for playing for your own enjoyment, MP3s are fine. Save them out as 240 or 320 KBs
[02:13] <ventrik> But during recording, use FLAC.
[02:15] <virtu> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qk6kLpBLghs this is a song that I will try to learn
[02:15] <virtu> do you like Dream Theater band?
[02:16] <ventrik> I know so much music, sometimes I jsut know bands by their sound not by name lol
[02:16] <virtu> http://b.imagehost.org/view/0424/Kawai_ES6_1 part of my set
[02:16] <ventrik> Hold on
[02:16] <virtu> ok ventrik
[02:17] <ventrik> Not sure I recognize them
[02:17] <ventrik> Reminds me of Therion almost
[02:18] <virtu> in my opinion they are one of the best technician band that have it
[02:18] <virtu> Jordan Ruddes tha keyboarder is simple a magician on keys
[02:18] <ventrik> Noooo. Technial? Death Metal
[02:18] <virtu> their technics
[02:18] <virtu> habilities
[02:19] <virtu> new age bands I like enigma... I am looking around for piano sheets from their music
[02:23] <ventrik> Here is techincal
[02:23] <ventrik> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XI91GK46cc
[02:26] <virtu_AFK> nice drummer... cirque du soleil
[02:26] <virtu_AFK> =)
[02:26] <virtu_AFK> brb
[03:05] <virtu_AFK> WACOMalt, http://jazzplusplus.sourceforge.net/
[03:06] <virtu_AFK> ventrik, message delivered to WACOMalt
[03:06] <WACOMalt> oh awesome, I'll have to check that out
[03:06] <WACOMalt> is virtu_AFK a bot?
[03:07] <WACOMalt> I had givin up and went back to reason. Came up with a nice little ditty.
[03:07] <WACOMalt> now I can try ubuntu again
[03:08] <virtu_AFK> i am not a bot
[03:08] <virtu_AFK> =)
[03:08] <virtu_AFK> ventrik, leave a message just when you part the channel last time
[03:08] <WACOMalt> aahh
[03:08] <WACOMalt> well thanks!
[03:10] <virtu_AFK> =)
[03:10] <virtu_AFK> right now I am trying to play In Dreams from Lord of The Rings
[03:10] <virtu_AFK> first page of sheet is simple... but the second part
[03:10] <virtu_AFK> =/
[03:11] <WACOMalt> lol
[03:11] <WACOMalt> that song is pretty
[03:11] <WACOMalt> where's the sheet music?
[03:13] <virtu_AFK> i printed them out
[03:13] <virtu_AFK> but I can send to you a pdf file if you want
[03:13] <WACOMalt> heck yes!
[03:13] <WACOMalt> wacomalt@gmail.com
[03:15] <virtu_AFK> wait a seconmd
[03:17] <virtu_AFK> http://jeanies_home_studio.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/lord-of-the-rings_in-dreams_sheet-music.pdf
[03:17] <WACOMalt> sick, thanks a ton
[03:17] <virtu_AFK> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQ6LaQy-pp4
[03:18] <virtu_AFK> after study the sheet.. see that video to get some tones and rythym
[03:18] <virtu_AFK> there is some chords that you can resume them into 2 or 3 notes
[03:18] <virtu_AFK> and the song still beauty
[03:18] <WACOMalt> I might just try and pick it out
[03:18] <WACOMalt> I'm better at that
[03:19] <virtu_AFK> =)
[03:19] <virtu_AFK> I am starting again to study piano
[03:19] <WACOMalt> Played piano for 15 years, and I dont have much to show fo rit really :P But I am good at picking stuff out for sure.
[03:19] <virtu_AFK> so... that's hard sometimes
[03:19] <virtu_AFK> 15 years is a long long time =)
[03:19] <WACOMalt> true
[03:19] <virtu_AFK> that sheet will be ver easy for you
[03:19] <virtu_AFK> =)
[03:20] <WACOMalt> And most of those years I've played by ear
[03:20] <WACOMalt> I still suck at sheet music :P
[03:20] <virtu_AFK> what piano do you have.. a digital one?
[03:20] <virtu_AFK> hmm... played by ear... nice =)
[03:20] <virtu_AFK> i'd like to play by ear...
[03:20] <WACOMalt> currently? A craptastic Yamaha DGX205 (one of their typical "performance" keyboards
[03:20] <virtu_AFK> but its not ease
[03:20] <virtu_AFK> easy
[03:20] <WACOMalt> It is if you arent used to anything else :p
[03:21] <WACOMalt> I seriously probably cant even read sheet any more
[03:21] <virtu_AFK> WACOMalt, but yamaha have a nice piano sound
[03:21] <WACOMalt> this will be a good test
[03:21] <virtu_AFK> I have one here.. a dgx230
[03:21] <WACOMalt> yeah, but not on their cheap pianos
[03:21] <WACOMalt> I only use it via midi
[03:21] <virtu_AFK> but since friday I got a Kawai Es6
[03:21] <virtu_AFK> midi save the world
[03:21] <virtu_AFK> =)
[03:22] <WACOMalt> awesome! and yeah I only bought this becaquse it was th eonly one at best buy with midi at the time that was in my price range
[03:24] <virtu_AFK> so.. back in time...
[03:24] <ventrik> WACOM your back
[03:24] <ventrik> I had a link for oy
[03:24] <WACOMalt> yups
[03:24] <ventrik> u
[03:24] <WACOMalt> I got it :)
[03:24] <ventrik> kk
[03:24] <WACOMalt> Ima try that out tomorrow
[03:24] <virtu_AFK> in march I bought the DGX one to try out how I will be motivated to learn piano again
[03:25] <virtu_AFK> so I did a mistake... because I liked a lot and the DGX isnt good enough to simulate a piano
[03:25] <ventrik> Thanks virtu_AFK
[03:25] <virtu_AFK> ventrik, your welcome
[03:25]  * virtu_AFK is on piano but with xchat on his side
[03:25] <ventrik> IF you want other types of music let me know lol
[03:27] <WACOMalt> http://www.blindmanstudio.com/hostedstuff/WACOMalt%20-%20FlimFlam.mp3 I made thsi today, though in reasonf or lack of seq24 working
[03:27] <ventrik> Hmm
[03:27] <ventrik> If you don't know the genre Dubstep
[03:27] <ventrik> Look into it
[03:27] <ventrik> Basswobble
[03:27] <WACOMalt> I do, but dont like most of it :P
[03:27] <WACOMalt> well
[03:27] <WACOMalt> maybe so
[03:27] <WACOMalt> :p
[03:28] <ventrik> It depends on what you look at
[03:28] <ventrik> There's the murkey side and that's a lot of grimy beats, then there is the more instrumental down tempo side
[03:28] <WACOMalt> hmmm
[03:28] <ventrik> The latter is what that reminds me of
[03:28] <WACOMalt> ah cool
[03:29] <ventrik> Of course you could also go the Hip-Hop route
[03:29] <ventrik> Which would be like this
[03:29] <ventrik> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxtXzccqwlo
[03:30] <ventrik> Instead of piano you use the synth
[03:30] <WACOMalt> I like that
[03:31] <ventrik> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z59gAXZ0ksQ
[03:31] <ventrik> Murky <3
[03:32] <WACOMalt> so I really dont understand the description of dubstep. Sounds like a lot of techno I hear and like a lot of other types of music
[03:32] <ventrik> Techno, no, more like electronic
[03:32] <ventrik> Those are two diffrent genres like Jazz and rock
[03:33]  * WACOMalt doesnt understand all the terminology, and just groups stuff together :p
[03:33] <ventrik> Techno is like Kraftwerk
[03:34] <ventrik> And Blue Man Group's older stuff
[03:34] <WACOMalt> all I heard from them was their Audio album
[03:34] <WACOMalt> is that old or new?
[03:35] <ventrik> Don't recall I don't listen to them to be honest
[03:35] <WACOMalt> ah
[03:35] <WACOMalt> never heard any electronic music from them
[03:35] <ventrik> Basically if the music sounds like you could just break it down with mathematics, it's techno.
[03:35] <WACOMalt> k
[03:36] <ventrik> Daft Punk as well
[03:36] <ventrik> I dont know my Techno
[03:36] <ventrik> lol
[03:36] <WACOMalt> ditto :P
[03:37] <ventrik> The major Electronic sub-genres are Trance, Drum and Bass, and Dubstep
[03:37] <ventrik> I dislike Trance and I used to DJ the other too
[03:37] <WACOMalt> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFp-Ec8OnWM thats the blue man group I know
[03:38] <ventrik> Well come to think of it they are just their own thing
[03:38] <WACOMalt> lol yeah
[03:38] <ventrik> The beats are techno though
[03:38] <WACOMalt> yeah
[03:38] <WACOMalt> very mathematical
[03:39] <WACOMalt> but I like their melodies
[03:39] <ventrik> I was at one of their concerts live
[03:39] <WACOMalt> same here
[03:39] <ventrik> Where they had Dave Mathews,
[03:39] <ventrik> And Venus
[03:39] <WACOMalt> woah, that's interesting
[03:39] <ventrik> The Complex Tour
[03:40] <ventrik> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eagbog8_MGI
[03:41] <ventrik> IT was better live
[03:42] <WACOMalt> I gotta go! bbl
[03:42] <ventrik> Bah
[03:43] <virtu_AFK> concert grand + eletric piano with delay makes a nice sound to play new age
[03:44] <ventrik> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2ytn66X4ZI
[03:44] <ventrik> There much better
[03:46] <virtu_AFK> waco leaved the room
[03:46] <virtu_AFK> tubular "bells" from michael oldfield
[03:46] <virtu_AFK> =P
[03:55] <virtu> that's enough for today... almost second page done
[04:28] <ventrik> Lol
[04:28] <ventrik> Wacom, your IP has your name in it
[04:28] <virtu> ben sunme?
[04:29] <virtu> sumne
[04:31] <virtu> time to go
[04:31] <virtu> 03h30 am here
[04:31] <virtu> c ya
[04:31] <virtu> ops 02h30
[04:32] <ventrik> Sleep?
[04:32] <ventrik> I wish I knew what that's like but now that's only a distant memory
[04:34] <WACOMalt> what?
[04:34] <WACOMalt> my ip has my name?
[04:35] <ventrik> (11:23:32 AM) WACOMalt [~Ben_Sumne@adsl-68-122-105-218.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] entered the room.
[04:35] <WACOMalt> hmm...
[04:35] <WACOMalt> missing an r at the end
[04:35] <ventrik> Looks like it's missing an r
[04:35] <ventrik> LOL
[04:35] <WACOMalt> but damn, how do I change that?
[04:35] <ventrik> Only IRC will see that
[04:36] <WACOMalt> ?
[04:36] <WACOMalt> is that from my Pidgin settings?
[04:36] <ventrik> Actually
[04:36] <WACOMalt> or something actually putin by my ISP?
[04:36] <ventrik> IS that your Local host name?
[04:36] <WACOMalt> no
[04:36] <WACOMalt> wait what?
[04:37] <WACOMalt> my computer name IS WACOMputer
[04:37] <WACOMalt> or simmilar
[04:39] <ventrik> Hold on
[04:39] <ventrik> I know how to do it just not with Pidgin
[04:39] <ventrik> Burk burk
[10:07] <Hypnus9> hello...I just installed maverick, and it is not detecting my BOSS GT-10 as a soundcard as it did in the past...is there something I can do for this to be done. It is usb, BTW.
[14:59] <virtu> hi
[15:29] <virtu> hi ventrik
[15:29] <ventrik> Hello
[15:29] <ventrik> brb
[15:29] <virtu> ok
[15:39] <ventrik> OH well
[15:39] <ventrik> I still can't get Ubuntu to boot
[15:39] <ventrik> Fffuuu
[15:40] <holstein> whats the issue ventrik ?
[15:40] <ventrik> Same one
[15:41] <ventrik> nomodset and xforcevesa in the boot lines, LiveCD, from the install, Alt LiveCD
[15:41] <virtu> ventrik: I am at windows right now and when I listen to songs that I recorded yesterday I dont hear the noise at all... I think I have some linux playback issue (noise sound) here in windows the songs are very clear
[15:41] <holstein> OH yeah
[15:41] <holstein> ventrik: what does the xorg.conf look like in backtrack?
[15:41] <ventrik> I have to fix the issue pre-boot
[15:41] <ventrik> No idea
[15:41] <ventrik> What's Backtrack
[15:41] <ventrik> OHhh
[15:41] <ventrik> Right, that's uninstalled
[15:42] <ventrik> All I have is Studio and Win7
[15:42] <holstein> what *did* it look like
[15:42] <holstein> what driver was it using?
[15:42] <ventrik> Never saw it Backtrack would only load up then freeze
[15:42] <holstein> AH
[15:43] <ventrik> Maybe my mobo wont support linux kernals?
[15:43] <holstein> to be specific
[15:43] <holstein> nvidia wont support linux
[15:43] <holstein> for that device
[15:43] <holstein> thats my wote
[15:43] <holstein> vote*
[15:43] <holstein> the graphics
[15:44] <virtu> what is yout graphic card?
[15:44] <holstein> ventrik: as a test
[15:44] <virtu> and mobo model?
[15:44] <ventrik> Well I found someone with the exact same results as me
[15:44] <holstein> i would grab a puppy linux iso
[15:44] <ventrik> And then have the same laptop only an ATI5870
[15:44] <holstein> on boot you can choose vesa
[15:44] <holstein> easliy
[15:44] <ventrik> But we share the same mobo
[15:44] <holstein> that would be an easy way to test
[15:44] <ventrik> xforcevesa ?
[15:44] <holstein> using the vesa graphics driver
[15:44] <ventrik> It loaded a screencap of what win7 looked like when I rebooted out of the OS
[15:45] <ventrik> All garbled up
[15:45] <virtu> in older ubuntu's my ati graphic card didnt work well... have to install with vesa oprtion
[15:45] <virtu> now it works perfetct
[15:46] <ventrik> When I load vesa the gpu loads the last thing it saw
[15:46] <holstein> yup
[15:46] <ventrik> Only glitched out
[15:46] <holstein> sounds about right
[15:46] <virtu> which model are your mobo and gpu?
[15:46] <holstein> i used to use the vesa driver on a via chip
[15:46] <virtu> let me see if I find something helpful over google
[15:46] <holstein> and i would see some strange things righ at boot
[15:46] <holstein> sometimes
[15:46] <holstein> *usually
[15:47] <holstein> BUT when i would get to the desktop
[15:47] <holstein> everything was cool
[15:47] <ventrik> I let it sit last night for a few hours
[15:47] <ventrik> Hoping it was just taking a while to recompile/adjust itself
[15:47] <holstein> yeah, probably not
[15:48] <holstein> probably just frying the LCD backlight ;)
[15:48] <ventrik> As for my mobo
[15:48] <ventrik> It's some abscure one and I'm going to focus on that later
[15:49] <virtu> http://www.mariusb.net/blog/2010/10/ubuntu-upgrade-to-10-10-nvidia-problems-and-how-to-fix/
[15:50] <virtu> http://www.downloadatoz.com/driver/articles/fix-nvidia-graphics-driver-problems-in-ubuntu-10-10.html
[15:50] <virtu> dont know if it will helps
[15:51] <ventrik> Sadly no, my issue is I can't get into the OS. Those solutions require me to be in the OS
[15:51] <ventrik> Recovery mode doesn't boot
[15:51] <holstein> ventrik: did you try hardy?
[15:52] <holstein> live?
[15:52] <ventrik> hardy?
[15:52] <ventrik> Yes
[15:53] <virtu> in past times... to boot it up it was necessary to set some variables in command line to install
[15:54] <virtu> when you insert the cd a prompt appears and you insert which variables that you wont to turn off
[15:54] <virtu> that´s how I installed some other distro on this note...
[15:56] <ventrik> Yeah, I've done those
[15:56] <ventrik> :x
[15:56] <virtu> =(
[15:57] <virtu> so... I don´t know how to help... maybe at #ubuntu you get some
[15:57] <ventrik> Did that
[15:57] <ventrik> lol
[15:59] <virtu> http://ubuntuforums.org/ last hope
[16:00] <holstein> ventrik: how did hardy boot?
[16:00] <holstein> the same?
[16:00] <ventrik> No idea what hardy is
[16:01] <holstein> hardy = ubuntu 8.04
[16:01] <holstein> the last 'long term support' release
[16:01] <holstein> lucid = ubuntu 10.04
[16:02] <holstein> the current long term support
[16:02] <holstein> i was thinking ubuntu 8.04 might have a kernel that would match that hardware
[16:03] <holstein> time-wise
[16:04] <virtu> also you have another option: download another user-friendly linux distro, like fedora, try to install or, try hardy
[16:04] <holstein> when i find challenging hardware like that
[16:05] <holstein> i try a lot of live discs
[16:05] <holstein> hardy and lucid are on that list
[16:05] <virtu> hardy will boot with default settings...
[16:06] <virtu> older configs to new hardware
[16:06] <holstein> i try and let the live CD's do some of the detective work for me
[16:06] <virtu> maybe it work
[16:06] <virtu> sure... after that just upgrade the system
[16:06] <ventrik> ah
[16:07] <holstein> OR you'll be able to see what packages you might need from backports
[16:07] <virtu> new album from linkin park isnt good like others =[
[16:08] <holstein> lol
[16:08] <holstein> i could have told you that
[16:08] <virtu> time to pink floyd
[16:08] <virtu> the division bell
[16:08] <holstein> linkin park is entertainment
[16:08] <virtu> had began
[16:08] <holstein> not music
[16:08] <holstein> :)
[16:08] <virtu> good description
[16:09] <virtu> what do you do holstein and ventrik?
[16:09] <holstein> for a living?
[16:09] <virtu> work
[16:09] <holstein> i play bass
[16:09] <holstein> upright bass
[16:09] <holstein> mostly jazz
[16:10] <holstein> virtu: and you?
[16:10] <virtu> I work with tax =P
[16:10] <virtu> tax adviser here in Brazil
[16:10] <holstein> AH
[16:11] <virtu> 29 years and like music and mountain bike =)
[16:12] <virtu> backing to piano subject... the book that I bought to learn again is Alfred's Basic Adult Piano Course Level 1 2 and 3
[16:12] <virtu> seems very nice
[16:13] <holstein> hey, if it works for you
[16:13] <holstein> i would suggest looking at some intrument non-specific stuff
[16:13] <holstein> general theory
[16:13] <holstein> diatonic theory
[16:14] <holstein> learn some of the hows and whys
[16:14] <holstein> instead of just how to play the 12 tunes in each of those books :)
[16:14] <holstein> not that there's anything wrong with that
[16:14] <virtu> holstein: when I was younger I had theorical classes
[16:14] <holstein> AH good :)
[16:14] <virtu> it helps me a lot now
[16:15] <virtu> and youtube also help =P
[16:15] <virtu> http://www.pianoworld.com/Uploads/files/extension_music_desk.jpg
[16:15] <holstein> SO if i give you a progression like Gmin7 C7 ...
[16:15] <holstein> you can predict the key??
[16:15] <virtu> not yet
[16:15] <holstein> and the next change?
[16:15] <holstein> ok
[16:16] <holstein> diatonically
[16:16] <holstein> there is only one 7th chord
[16:16] <virtu> but... maybe I can try to know that....
[16:16] <holstein> the V7 chord
[16:16] <holstein> SO
[16:16] <holstein> if you see a 7th chord like that
[16:16] <holstein> C7
[16:16] <holstein> you can assume that 90% of the time
[16:17] <holstein> its the V chord
[16:17] <holstein> the *five chord
[16:17] <holstein> and the key is F
[16:17] <virtu> G A# D F
[16:17] <holstein> sort of ;)
[16:17] <virtu> C E G A# C
[16:17] <holstein> G Bb D F
[16:17] <holstein> ^^
[16:17] <virtu> right right
[16:17] <holstein> you need a 3rd
[16:18] <holstein> even though...
[16:18] <holstein> A# and Bb 'sound the same'
[16:18] <holstein> A# is a 2nd
[16:18] <holstein> in G
[16:18] <holstein> and Bb is a 3rd
[16:18] <virtu> this intervals I learned with Alfred's book
[16:18] <holstein> A# would be what we call an 'enharmonic spelling'
[16:18] <holstein> ALSO
[16:19] <holstein> if you think about writing hte scale out
[16:19] <holstein> the Gminor scale
[16:19] <holstein> you would need to write
[16:19] <holstein> A and A#
[16:19] <holstein> like this
[16:19] <virtu> got it
[16:19] <holstein> G A A# C...
[16:19] <holstein> rather than the easier
[16:19] <holstein> G A Bb C...
[16:19] <holstein> :)
[16:21] <holstein> most books just deal with the triads
[16:21] <holstein> diatonically
[16:21] <holstein> when you look at the 7th chords
[16:21] <holstein> thats when you can really make some predictions
[16:22] <virtu> http://b.imagehost.org/view/0424/Kawai_ES6_1
[16:22] <virtu> in guitar the seventh chord always are a good deal do play around
[16:23] <holstein> they want to resolve
[16:23] <holstein> IF you wanted to change keys
[16:23] <virtu> example: C chord played sometime with D note played
[16:23] <holstein> you can use a domiant 7th chord
[16:23] <holstein> virtu: yup :)
[16:24] <virtu> the D note can be a bridge to jump to G chord
[16:24] <holstein> i guess in the blues sense of it
[16:24] <virtu> never had guitar classes... just reading about and pratice
[16:25] <virtu> now in piano... my idea is to get a nice theory background
[16:25] <holstein> its more the 7th
[16:25] <holstein> adding the Bb in the C chord
[16:25] <virtu> and I am not in a hurry...
[16:25] <holstein> then
[16:25] <holstein> you have a tritone interval
[16:25] <holstein> between the E (3rd) and 7th (Bb)
[16:26] <ventrik> Virtu I'm a student full time
[16:26] <ventrik> Like right now
[16:26] <ventrik> And by full time I mean I don't get time to eat or sleep
[16:26] <holstein> that wants to resolve inwards to F and A
[16:26] <virtu> music in my opinion is like math =P
[16:26] <holstein> to support the motion to an F chord
[16:26] <virtu> there a re a logic inside that
[16:26] <virtu> =P
[16:27] <ventrik> Music is a river
[16:27] <virtu> now I am listening a nice song to play with guitar... Lost for Words, from Pink Floyd
[16:27] <ventrik> Sometimes it flows, othertimes it's rapids
[16:29] <virtu> how old are you holstein and ventrik?
[16:29] <holstein> 36
[16:30] <virtu> from 8 to 12 I got piano lessons and with 20 to 21 theorical lessons
[16:30] <ventrik> Twenty-Four
[16:30] <holstein> virtu: what kind of theory?
[16:31] <holstein> more classical stuff?
[16:31] <holstein> i bet you know what a 'perfect authentic cadence' is ;)
[16:32] <ventrik> A 3hrx wobble
[16:32] <ventrik> hrz
[16:32] <ventrik> :D
[16:32] <holstein> hehe
[16:32] <virtu> it was a book called bona... it have some musical theory
[16:32] <holstein> i remember my theory III teacher
[16:32] <holstein> first day of class
[16:33] <holstein> he said 'well, youve been learning about a bunch of dead white guys for years'
[16:33] <holstein> now we're going to learn about music :)
[16:33] <virtu> another great music: Marooned =)
[16:33] <virtu> makes me travel
[16:34] <ventrik> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yZ7-BPZTto
[16:58] <crysaz> is that a parody?
[17:03] <virtu> when if black friday in usa?
[17:03] <virtu> if = is
[17:05] <ventrik> On a friday
[17:05] <ventrik> :D
[17:06] <holstein> http://www.timeanddate.com/holidays/us/black-friday
[17:06] <holstein> the 26th looks like
[17:06] <ventrik> IT is