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apacheloggerRiddell: either qoauth is unmaintained or upstream doesnt like me or his mail address in the copyright is dated08:49
Riddellapachelogger: hmm, I thought qoauth was quite recently written09:42
apacheloggerRiddell: that does not mean it cannot be unmaintained ;)09:45
apacheloggerubuntuone-kde also was quite recently written :P09:45
Riddellright enough09:45
apacheloggerhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBHONx9vTtI09:59
Riddelluh oh, random youtube leak10:07
apacheloggerbetter than talking binary I suppose ;)10:15
apacheloggerthat said...10:15
apacheloggerhttp://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/binaryirc.c10:17
apacheloggerin case it should happen again, this bugger will decode it ;)10:18
RiddellFriday 16:00 for meeting I think10:42
maco1600 utc?10:43
alapachelogger, hmm, perl -pe 's/[01]{7,8} ?/pack("B8", $&)/ge;'10:44
Riddellmaco: yes10:47
apacheloggeral: perl is being removed from you bun too10:47
apacheloggerdo not use legacy software :P10:47
alhaha10:53
al(you *are* kidding, right?)10:53
apacheloggernope10:54
alvinapachelogger: Any source for that?10:58
apacheloggersome UDS spec11:00
Sputso when are they going to remove gnome?11:01
apacheloggerin the quest for getting more space on the CD they are removing stuff that is not absolutely necessary11:01
Sputcan't get much more legacy then that :P11:01
apacheloggersuch as perl, which is only used by like 5 scripts on the CD or so11:01
apacheloggerSput: I was thinking that they would announce it at UDS (going with unity to qt and all), but they didnt :(11:02
apacheloggersurely it is only a matter of time though11:02
alvinAh, on the cd. Like they did with aptitude and gimp. As long as it's in main, there's no need to worry.11:02
hrwapachelogger: unity and qt?11:06
apacheloggersure11:11
alis python on the CD?11:12
apacheloggerpython>perl11:12
alin file size?11:12
apacheloggerRiddell: the timeanddate link you posted is for 2010-12-19...11:13
apacheloggeral: in relevancy to you bun too11:13
Riddellapachelogger: doh11:14
* ulysses hates copyright11:29
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RiddellScottK: so the patch might fix the compile failure of Qt on ARM but there's now another problem?12:23
ScottKRiddell: Yes.  gcc regression. Bug #67534712:56
ubottuLaunchpad bug 675347 in gcc-4.5 (Ubuntu Natty) "volatile int causes inline assembly build failure" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/67534712:56
ScottKapachelogger: Qt compiled in less than 12 hours.12:58
ScottK(4 minutes less)12:58
ScottKSo that's cut the time half.12:58
ScottKVery impressive..12:58
ScottKRiddell: It built with the patch.  Now I want to build something with that Qt.  If that works, then I'll call it good.12:59
* apachelogger doesn't have a good feeling about today's calculus exam :S13:00
apacheloggerScottK: only :O13:00
apacheloggerthere is bound to be improvement possible13:00
apachelogger...say add a 4th machine ;)13:00
shadeslayerQuintasan_: apport hooks were done by yofel13:00
ScottKConsidering much of the time is spent on things that aren't ice creamable, I think it's very good.13:00
ScottKapachelogger: Yes.  Just a matter of needing time to do it.13:00
apacheloggerhm13:00
apacheloggerhere is a thought... have i386 do the build but distribute the jobs to arm ^^13:01
apacheloggerthen linking and stuff probably would be even faster13:01
RiddellScottK: so we need to revert the change to gcc and add the patch to Qt?13:03
ScottKRiddell: Yes.13:10
hrwapachelogger: in next months launchpad will get several pandaboards for build farm13:11
hrwso armel builds will go faster13:12
apacheloggerand who again does not get one ... apachelogger ...13:12
apacheloggerthis world is very cruel to me13:12
apacheloggerno ideapads, no n900s, no pandas...13:12
apacheloggerhrw: anyhow, surely the buildds will still not be able to build Qt in 12 hours :P13:16
hrwworld is cruel... no ideapad here as well13:17
hrwbtw - what is ideapad?13:17
shadeslayer...13:18
apacheloggersome small thinkpad IIRC13:18
apacheloggersorta netbookish I suppose13:18
hrwah.. lenovo netbook with atom...13:18
shadeslayerapachelogger: you have a ARM processor on you phone!13:18
shadeslayergo use adb and compile stuff13:19
shadeslayerp.u.c had a nice post 13:19
apacheloggerwhat would the point of this be?13:19
alvinWell, perl is preinstalled on the N900 ;-)13:19
apacheloggerlegacy perl for legacy N900, makes sense13:20
alvinOne should not mock perl (and there's nothing legacy about the N900. The built-in GPS software is worthless, but come on, the machine has a command line! What more do you want?)13:21
apacheloggerhttp://harvest.ubuntu.com/opportunities/?pkg.set=kubuntu that is a lot of opportunities right there...13:22
* shadeslayer runs13:22
apacheloggeralvin: ask you bun too, perl is legacy!!!!13:22
apacheloggereven if DarkwingDuck says otherwise13:22
alvinI use perl extensively, but I do miss Qt4 bindings.13:24
ScottKRiddell: Here's the arm patch: http://pastebin.com/66R907FK - Also need to revert the export of implicit-it=thumb in debian rules.13:25
RiddellScottK: ok I'll do that before I upload13:26
Riddellhaving fun with qtwebkit today, it seems to have gained support for three different build systems13:26
ScottKPlease be sure to credit the guy that wrote it in the changelog13:26
ScottKNice.13:26
ScottKThe guy that did the patch is a Linaro guy and I want to make sure he feels good about the contribution.13:26
apacheloggeralvin: I dare you to port perlqt to qt413:27
ScottKapachelogger: Didn't someone do that already?13:27
alvinapachelogger: It's already in progress, yes13:27
apacheloggerI wouldnt know13:27
apacheloggerperl is legacy so I have little interest :P13:27
apacheloggerprobably c# is the future13:27
alvinThis is the project http://search.cpan.org/~cburel/Qt4-0.60_b1/lib/Qt4.pm13:27
hrwScottK: nice. can you share source package?13:27
ScottKhrw: In a few hours.  Yes.13:28
hrwthx13:28
apacheloggerthat said... you bun too is dropping all sorts of stuff to gain space and yet they effort having mono on the CD, do they not?13:28
hrwwill give some work for panda13:28
ScottKapachelogger: it's been there for quite a while.13:28
apacheloggeralvin: I dare you to contribute to that project13:28
apacheloggerScottK: changelogs were there long before :P13:28
ScottKTrue13:29
alvinapachelogger: Maybe it only needs a debian package to be finished :-)13:29
ScottKWe'll get more space though and the change won't be our fault, so not so bad.13:29
shadeslayerwe should kick amarok for depending on glib.....13:31
shadeslayerand anything else that deps on glib13:31
shadeslayerQt is the future 13:31
apacheloggerQt uses glib13:32
apachelogger...13:32
apacheloggeror as you would put it ... 01100111 01101100 01101001 01100010 00100000 00111100 0011001113:33
shadeslayerwe need better toolkits -.-13:33
Riddellit's gtk that amarok depends on which is annoying (via libgpod)13:34
apacheloggerTk!13:34
apacheloggerRiddell: so does the [libre,open]office13:34
apacheloggeror does it not anymore?13:34
* apachelogger feels dirty from all that g* talk and feels like taking a shower13:35
Riddellyes, that too13:36
_Groo_hi/2 all13:42
apacheloggerah!13:48
apacheloggermaco: I remember the particular push button situation from UDS13:48
apacheloggernow I do not argue the push button states13:48
apacheloggerwe were merly suggesting to not use a push button for that use case at all13:49
apacheloggeroh dear13:51
apacheloggersurveymonkey is not doing the working in rekonq13:51
apacheloggershadeslayer: !!!13:51
shadeslayerwhaa....13:51
shadeslayerapachelogger: test case13:51
shadeslayerit opens up fine here....13:52
apacheloggerthe surveys do not work!!13:52
apacheloggerticking stuff does not do not ticky sign13:52
shadeslayeri dont have a form i can tick :P13:53
apacheloggereh13:53
apacheloggerdid you not get a uds survey at some point?13:54
shadeslayerah that one13:54
shadeslayeri think i filled that one out in chromium13:54
apachelogger...13:55
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apacheloggereven the rekonq dev uses a working browser13:55
shadeslayeri cant open the form again :P13:56
apacheloggercreate your own survey13:57
Quintasanshadeslayer: what's wrong with kdesupport?13:57
shadeslayerQuintasan: eh?13:57
Quintasankdebindings cant find automoc4 and claims it is a part of kdesupport13:58
shadeslayerbah14:00
apacheloggerno it isnt?14:00
shadeslayerapachelogger: you are right, but imo its webkits fault14:00
Quintasantell that to kdebindings14:00
apacheloggerhttp://gitweb.kde.org/automoc.git14:01
shadeslayerwhoa14:01
shadeslayerhold on14:01
QuintasanCMake Error at /opt/project-neon/share/apps/cmake/modules/FindPackageHandleStandardArgs.cmake:198 (MESSAGE):14:01
Quintasan  Did not find automoc4 (Automoc4Config.cmake, part of kdesupport).14:01
Quintasanwutz14:01
shadeslayerapachelogger: i made it work once14:01
apacheloggerehm14:01
shadeslayerah see theres a sweet spot there14:01
apacheloggerQuintasan: there is a difference between part of kdesupport and part of kdesupport's source14:01
apachelogger...14:01
shadeslayerapachelogger: http://imagebin.ca/view/zNh66q.html14:02
apacheloggerhttps://projects.kde.org/projects/kdesupport/automoc14:02
apacheloggerthere14:02
apacheloggerpart of kdesupport14:02
apacheloggershadeslayer: what sort of madness is this?14:02
shadeslayerapachelogger: click on the area between the grey button and the white button on the top14:03
shadeslayerapachelogger: kdewebkit madness ....14:03
apacheloggerI did it otherwheres meanwhile14:03
apacheloggershadeslayer: please report a bug to whatever of your upstreams is at fault14:03
* apachelogger packs his bag for calculus14:03
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Quintasanshadeslayer: care to do do git builds of automoc or we will use the one from repos?14:10
shadeslayerQuintasan: will look at them tonight after im done with some other stuff first14:11
ScottKhrw: http://kitterman.com/kubuntu/qt4-x11_4.7.0-0ubuntu9.dsc - Assuming you have the orig.tar.gz, you should be able to just dget that.14:39
hrwthx14:39
hrwtar.gz is not a problem - my apt-cacher-ng should have it14:39
ScottKYou'll need to make sure not to use the current gcc-4.5 in Natty due to Bug #67534714:39
ubottuLaunchpad bug 675347 in gcc-4.5 (Ubuntu Natty) "volatile int causes inline assembly build failure" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/67534714:39
hrwok14:40
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* Riddell high fives ScottK 15:22
Riddellawesome, point releases can now go in -updates15:23
Tm_Toh, so we do not need ppa for stable KDE releases? that means PPC binaries! <315:26
ScottKIt does.15:29
Tm_Tvery good from that point too then15:29
Tm_Tbut also, very good we can provide stable releases neatly15:29
ScottKSent mail to the mail list.15:39
ScottKRiddell: I think it was Jon the Taco that had tracked testing of 4.4.5 for Lucid and thought it was ready.  Once he's around, we ought to see if we can get that one moving.15:40
RiddellScottK: we start tracking 4.5.3 in maverick too presumably?15:42
ScottKYes, but AIUI, 4.4.5 is ~ready.15:43
Riddellyes15:43
ScottK4.4.5/7 I should say ....15:43
ScottKapachelogger: I got proper ice cream from a logged in chroot with running the hook by hand and exporting the items you mention in comments.15:56
ScottKapachelogger: I think we are to the point this should be blogged about.15:56
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ScottKRiddell: My test build of qmf with the patched Qt succeeded, so I think that patch is good (for a distro patch).  It still needs to be made portable to go upstream.16:51
shadeslayerQuintasan: cam doesnt work on the Desire HD ports to Desire .... kaboom16:53
* shadeslayer hates oxygen-icon uploads16:54
shadeslayer156MB source package..... 16 MB binary package16:54
apacheloggerexpensive news everyone!16:57
ScottKUh. Oh.16:57
apacheloggerapachelogger is giving away free work hours this fine evening has he tries to approach ballmers peek16:57
apacheloggers/has/as16:57
ScottKapachelogger: Time for a blog post on the ice cream success.16:58
apacheloggershadeslayer: you need to blog on the ice cream armada16:58
shadeslayerwhat16:58
ScottKapachelogger: You do one touting your technical brilliance and I'll do another on your technical brilliance and management overview.16:58
shadeslayerhahaha16:58
apacheloggeruhh, that sounds like fun indeed16:58
* apachelogger fires up the blogilo16:59
* shadeslayer should get a wp domain16:59
ScottKThen maybe Riddell would allow us to announce the hardware donation and give proper appreciation to the sponsors of the hardware on kubuntu.org.16:59
shadeslayerabout that.... what hardware? i saw it on planet.ubuntu that we got hardware17:00
RiddellScottK: no problem with that from me17:00
shadeslayermore specifically... kubuntu-devs got hardware17:00
ScottKshadeslayer: More incentive to rise from minion status.17:01
shadeslayerScottK: but what did you get!17:01
* apachelogger notes that he himself did not get hardware even though is constantly whining for an n900 or other fancy stuff he could run kubuntu mobile on17:01
ScottK(for which first, as apachelogger and I distinctly reminded you yesterday, you need to find us some more minions)17:01
ScottKshadeslayer: http://www.genesi-usa.com/products/efika.17:01
apachelogger<3 minions17:02
shadeslayeroic17:02
shadeslayerScottK: and where are these awesome boxes ?17:02
ScottKIn my basement data center.17:02
shadeslayerah kewl17:02
ScottK(well one is still in it's box since I didn't set it up yet)17:03
apacheloggeroh noes17:03
apacheloggeryou disclosed the secret location17:03
apacheloggerof our secret hardware, with which we do secret things17:03
ScottKI didn't say where in the basement.  It's well hidden.17:03
apacheloggerthere goes the newly obtained elitism of kubuntu-dev :(17:03
ScottKPlus the basement is a mess, so even if you knew where, you'd have a hard time finding it.17:03
shadeslayerapachelogger: i dont know where ScottK lives tho17:03
ScottKshadeslayer: It's not hard to figure out.17:04
shadeslayerScottK: yeah... ill just have to look it up on the wiki/launchpad17:04
apacheloggerScottK: still, it would be better if we were able to claim that the hardware was on a cloaked spacepship from the future orbiting earth 17:04
ScottKHowever the fact that you considered not already knowing might be some kind of barrier is confirmation that minion status is still quite appropriate.17:04
ScottKapachelogger: Latency is too low for low earth orbit.17:05
ScottKTCP/IP to space just sucks.17:05
apacheloggershadeslayer: since he runs a company that surely cannot be that difficult to find out ;)17:05
ScottKDue to the whole speed of light nonsense.17:05
apacheloggerScottK: we could say that we use a newly developed protocol developed only for our use 17:05
ScottKThat or whois my not at all secret domain name.17:05
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apacheloggeroh17:05
apacheloggeroh17:05
apacheloggerohhh17:06
ScottKWe could say lots of things.17:06
apacheloggersince the spaceship is from the future it got fancy tech that allows data transmission at warp517:06
Riddellapachelogger: should I set -graphicssystem raster on the Qt compile or do you recon environment variable is better?17:06
shadeslayerwere getting raster? 17:06
* apachelogger just got lost in a fantasy and watches a mathmagician pull a rabbit out of an epsilon17:06
shadeslayeryayy17:06
ScottKIt's in the spec, so it must be true.17:07
apacheloggerRiddell: I am more for envrionment variable for starters17:07
* ScottK too17:07
apacheloggersaves us two pointless rebuilds in case it turns out to be the crap17:07
apacheloggeralso shtylman still needs to fix openoffice to work with raster by default17:07
Riddellapachelogger: presumably it means doing a kdebase rebuild to add it to startkde though?17:09
yofelQuintasan: I packaged automoc a while ago, look at our packaging todo and ppa package list17:09
yofeland there's not much left in kdesupport, most moved to git17:09
apacheloggerRiddell: xession scripty17:09
apacheloggeror we could use /usr/share/env or something like that (as is executed by startkde)17:10
apacheloggerxsession is probably best though17:10
apacheloggeroh dear17:11
apacheloggerchoqok notifies about successful posting17:11
shadeslayerisnt that good?17:12
apacheloggerexactly how I like it, choqok just got to -13% of overall awesomeness17:12
apachelogger(it used to be at -126)17:12
shadeslayerim having a bit of trouble understanding this FTBFS https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+build/2049243/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-amd64.kdebase-workspace_4:4.5.3-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz17:16
shadeslayerkdebase-runtime is built, kdepim-runtime is built... why is it complaining then?17:16
ScottKWhy does workspace need a runtime to build?17:21
apacheloggermagical reasons I would suppose17:21
shadeslayerno idea whatsoever17:22
Riddellshadeslayer: you need to set up a chroot and see what happens when you install it17:22
shadeslayerworking on that right now17:22
apacheloggerhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhNM2K8cmU817:23
Riddellapachelogger: what's that?17:25
apacheloggerwork music17:25
apacheloggerScottK: I really do not know what to blog17:46
apacheloggerRiddell: you still did not reply on my fancy idea regarding reduction of config paths to search :(17:51
ScottKapachelogger: About the ice creaming and teaching it to deliver the right compiler so it didn't misbuild, etc.17:52
ScottKAnd about building Qt in half the time.17:52
apacheloggerhm, not particularly much content17:52
* apachelogger will have to switch to rambling mode17:52
apacheloggeromg, so much to do17:53
ScottKYou can also talk about how as phonon maintainer you had our first success with fixing armel build failures17:53
apacheloggerqtcreator cmake support waits, likeback waits, phonon waits... :S17:53
ScottKapachelogger: Blog about how more wonderful KDE/Kubuntu on arm can be now that the community has hardware to work with.17:53
apacheloggeroh, yeah17:54
apacheloggerpublic relations ftw!17:54
ScottKExactly.  Isn't that what blogs are for?17:54
apacheloggerjussi: do you have a pic of qt on arm?17:54
* Riddell makes note to reply on apachelogger'sfancy idea regarding reduction of config paths to search17:54
apacheloggerScottK: I usually abuse them as wikis or when I feel the need to get my tech ego enlarged ;)17:55
ScottKOK.  That too.17:55
shadeslayerapachelogger: he took one on his phone18:06
shadeslayerso he is bound to have it18:06
ScottKapachelogger: You can always repurpose the one used in the Karmic release announcement.18:08
apacheloggeruh?18:08
ScottKapachelogger: http://dot.kde.org/2009/10/29/kubuntu-910-release-adds-plasma-netbook-preview18:12
apacheloggeroh, no, too geeky ^^18:14
apacheloggerId rather have a proper Qt on arm ;)18:14
ScottKIt's OK.  Your post is geeky, mine is technical.18:14
ScottKerr18:14
ScottKtechnical/management18:14
apacheloggerpfff18:15
shadeslayerRiddell: its building fine in my pbuilder18:15
shadeslayerthen theres https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+build/2049475, when i already have libindi in the ppa18:18
apparlehow to set which application handles http links18:23
shadeslayerits under system settings18:24
apparleshadeslayer: in default applications?18:24
shadeslayerFile associations i think18:24
apparleI have somehow messed my system such that... man:something tries to open through wine browser18:25
apachelogger:O18:28
apacheloggerno sheytan!!!18:33
apacheloggeromg18:33
apacheloggerScottK: I cannot publish without first harassing the artwork overlord for a blog header picture...18:35
* apachelogger still has a blog post on kubuntu documentation in the pipeline too :S18:36
shadeslayerapachelogger: dpkg --compare-versions 1 > 2 isnt working, what am i doing wrong?18:39
apacheloggeryou are not reading the documentation18:40
apacheloggerubuntu-bug shadeslayer18:40
shadeslayerheh :P18:40
shadeslayershadeslayer package doesnt exsist in the archives:P18:40
shadeslayerso i use lt ....or gt ... or whatever18:40
apacheloggerwhatever might not be the right word there :P18:41
shadeslayerheh :P18:41
* apachelogger hates rekonq18:42
apacheloggerI cannot even save a webpage to a kio slave18:42
apacheloggerhow silly is that18:43
apacheloggercould just as well use arora and have a non-crappy multi-tab behaviour18:43
shadeslayeruh what18:43
apacheloggergo to web page18:43
apacheloggertry to save as...18:43
apacheloggerto a kio slave18:43
shadeslayernow where do i find that?18:44
shadeslayeroh18:44
shadeslayeryou mean remote folders and such?18:44
apacheloggeryes18:44
shadeslayerafaik its made that way or something18:44
shadeslayerthere was a discussion on the ML about this18:44
apacheloggerI also argued in a bug report about it18:45
apacheloggerbecause there is no reason for this limitation18:45
apacheloggernone18:45
apacheloggerabsolutely none18:45
apacheloggernot even a small one18:45
shadeslayerbug adjam in rekonq mailing list?18:49
apacheloggeryou can tell him to come with a proper argument for not changing 3 lines or so, to make it work :P18:50
shadeslayerapachelogger: tell him yourself, it would be a better impact imo18:51
* apachelogger is busy reaching ballmers peak :P18:52
apacheloggeralso I am still waiting for the artist18:52
shadeslayerapachelogger: also, can you look at https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+build/204947518:53
shadeslayeri have libindi - 0.6.1-0ubuntu2~lucid1~ppa1 in the ppa18:53
ScottKshadeslayer: More and more I'm considering we should reconsider our decision on rekonq as default.18:53
apacheloggeris anyone on top of the rekonq-consider-yourself-bashed list?18:54
shadeslayerwhy? ..... what happened?18:54
apacheloggershadeslayer: I almost got too late to lecture because I could not print a pdf18:54
ScottKshadeslayer: I think upstream has an unreasonable resistance to reasonable feature requests.18:54
shadeslayerapachelogger: thats fixed in KDE 4.6 apparently... or something similar18:54
shadeslayerScottK: such as openwith? :P18:55
* ScottK is noticing apachelogger's current difficulty and recalls the welcome reception open with got.18:55
* apachelogger recommends shadeslayer to recommend to adam to consider the dolphin way of considering features18:55
ScottKshadeslayer: Yes, but I get the impression he's got his way and is not open to input.18:55
apacheloggerlibindi-dev(inst 0.6.1-0ubuntu2~lucid1~ppa1 ! >= wanted 0.6.1-0ubuntu2)18:56
apacheloggershadeslayer: that makes perfect sense?!18:56
ScottKHeh.18:56
ScottKYep.18:56
shadeslayerScottK: frankly im in the favour of open with, but adjam would probably any revert any commits i make wrt   open with18:56
apachelogger*cough*fork*cough*18:56
ScottKshadeslayer: I'm not suggesting you do it.  I'm suggesting it's evidence of an unhelpful upstream.18:56
shadeslayerapachelogger: bah.... i did make sense of it, just wasnt sure18:56
* apachelogger is all in favor of having shadeslayer as lead dev :P18:56
shadeslayerlol18:56
shadeslayerapachelogger: the project would probably die out :P18:57
apacheloggershadeslayer: foo~something reduces foo by an epsilon18:57
ScottKapachelogger: We need to find a minion to do the analysis of how much more space it would take to ship firefox.18:57
apacheloggerand if you can pull a rabbit out of the epsilon, the epsilon was to big :P18:57
apacheloggeruh that one is never getting old18:57
apacheloggerthe calculus prof got all Oo when I told him that ^^18:57
apacheloggerScottK: let me generalize that to "we need to find a minion"18:58
ScottKCertainly.18:58
DarkwingDuckhehehe18:58
ScottKMaybe debfx knows a minion candidate.18:58
apacheloggerDarkwingDuck: do you have one already?18:58
DarkwingDuckstarcraftman: ping18:58
ScottKAh.  Right.18:58
DarkwingDuckI told you apachelogger.... I've sent starcraftman in here for you.18:59
apacheloggerDarkwingDuck: I sent flowers to starcraftman, yet he did not reply18:59
shadeslayermoar minions?18:59
ScottKNever enough.18:59
DarkwingDuckThere are never enough.18:59
ScottKParticularly when you look the slackers we've got now.18:59
apacheloggershadeslayer: you are a spoiled single minion18:59
* DarkwingDuck looks around in a panic18:59
shadeslayeryeah :D18:59
apacheloggerin the past we always had at least 2 minions or 1.5 :P19:00
DarkwingDuckhehehe19:00
shadeslayerin my defense... i had exams for the past week19:00
apacheloggerthat is no defense19:01
DarkwingDuckIt is however an excuse19:02
apacheloggerask jr, he always wanted me to study for exams, yet I usually did write fancy scripts or package some KDE release19:02
apacheloggerDarkwingDuck: not even that19:02
DarkwingDuckNo, it may be a poor excuse but, still an excuse19:02
apacheloggerworks for me19:02
DarkwingDuckThen again... excuses are like #&$@oles... everyone has one and they all stink :P:P:P19:03
apacheloggerDarkwingDuck: can you find me an artist?19:03
DarkwingDuckFor?19:03
apacheloggersheytan seems to be MIA today and I need one to make me a fancy blog post header picture19:04
DarkwingDuckLet me to some checking...19:04
apacheloggeromg, going to wikipedia these days is dangerous, jimbo will jump right at you ^^19:06
* apachelogger wonders why jimbo did not stop by at UDS though19:06
apacheloggerisnt he living in florida or something?19:06
apacheloggerthe wikipedia says so at least, must be true then19:07
DarkwingDucklol19:08
apacheloggershadeslayer: I was thinking, we could include a binary en/decoder in quassel19:11
apacheloggerthat way we could do elite talk without even noticing :P19:12
shadeslayer^_^19:12
shadeslayeror something with a better algorithm :P19:12
yofelyou can just make a script, put it in .config/quassel-irc.org/scripts/ and then use /exec binconv.sh BLA19:14
yofelthat wouldn't doo auto-decoding though :P19:14
apacheloggeryeah, insufficient19:15
apacheloggerdidnt know that quassel das scripts though19:15
apacheloggeryofel++19:15
apacheloggerScottK: btw, I spotted ulysses doing packaging19:16
ScottKOooh.19:16
ScottKThat's right.19:16
apacheloggerthat said, #ubuntu-motu is orange for half the day now...19:16
ScottKMaybe he can do the analysis.19:16
yofelwell, it can run them and paste stdout, not much, but better than nothing19:16
shadeslayerapachelogger: the clear arrow thing in line fields.... whats it called?19:20
apacheloggerclear arrow?19:20
shadeslayerfor which we have a feature request19:20
shadeslayerin rekonq19:20
apacheloggerclear arrow19:21
shadeslayerapachelogger: the class name19:21
apacheloggerthere is no class19:21
apacheloggerwell19:21
apacheloggermaybe there is19:21
apacheloggerbut generally it is a member of klineedit19:22
apacheloggershowClearButton() or somesuch19:22
apacheloggerindeedly19:22
shadeslayersetclearbuttonshowed19:22
shadeslayershown()19:23
apacheloggerhttp://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot95.png19:23
shadeslayeryep19:23
shadeslayeri so hate PPA's right now.....19:24
apacheloggerOBS ftw19:24
shadeslayerkdebase-workspace is FINALLY building... stupid thing must not have published packages even when it said it did19:24
shadeslayerapachelogger++19:24
* apachelogger really does not know how to refactor likeback into proper structure19:24
* apachelogger does some ruby19:25
shadeslayerok look at this now : http://imagebin.ca/view/Kkqv8d.html19:26
shadeslayer:P19:26
shadeslayerwhat do you see just above the cursor?19:26
shadeslayerits a one line change and it works!19:27
apacheloggerkde is quite supreme19:28
shadeslayerapachelogger: http://pastebin.ca/199369919:28
shadeslayeryeah19:28
apacheloggerhm19:28
apacheloggershadeslayer: loose the KLineEdit::19:29
apacheloggereeek19:29
apacheloggeralso19:29
apacheloggerewww19:29
shadeslayermake a object ?19:29
apacheloggeryou should do that in the ctor19:29
shadeslayerhmm19:29
apacheloggerklineedit itself will take care of only displaying the button if text is available to be cleared19:29
apacheloggershadeslayer: urlbar is an object19:29
apacheloggerderiving from klineedit19:29
apacheloggerhence the KLineEdit:: is poinless19:30
shadeslayeraye19:30
shadeslayerok19:30
shadeslayerapachelogger: http://pastebin.ca/199370519:33
shadeslayerseems more logical now19:33
shadeslayerok im all charged up after doing that now, ill kode all night until i get stuck now :P19:33
apacheloggerthat comment seems pointless TBH19:34
shadeslayerleave out the comment then?19:35
* apachelogger needs to write his own option parser for the new kde release script -.-19:35
apacheloggershadeslayer: yeah19:35
Quintasanyofel: great19:35
shadeslayerRiddell: so thats your wishlist item down19:35
apparledexconf generates the default xorg.conf right?19:37
ScottKapachelogger: There is no default xorg.conf.  Normal is not to have one.19:37
ScottKapachelogger: sorry.19:38
shadeslayer^_^19:38
ScottKapparle: ^^^19:38
Quintasanyofel: it is a separate package ,right?19:39
mgraesslincongratulation to your new update policy19:40
apparleScottK:  I want to generate default one to modify it. man page of dexconf says generates the default xorg.conf from debconf?  but it is doing nothing19:40
ScottKapparle: That's probably obsolete documentation.  The default xorg.conf is nothing.19:40
ScottKI'd ask in #uubntu-x about it.19:41
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yofelQuintasan: right, project-neon-automoc19:43
yofelbased on git import19:44
Quintasantrying kdebindings now :P19:44
shadeslayerapachelogger: is there a way to request merges or do i move my request to reviewboard? or since i have a commit account, i just commit my changes?19:45
shadeslayer( i pushed the changes to my clone )19:46
apacheloggerjust merge19:50
apacheloggerreviewboard only ought to be used for review-needing changes19:50
shadeslayerapachelogger: done ... we now have a clear button in urlbar19:55
apacheloggercool19:55
apacheloggerif arg == '-h' or arg == '--help'19:56
apachelogger                # TODO19:56
* apachelogger writes epic code :D19:56
shadeslayeralso.... it would be kewl if CIA-42 could read my commits :)19:56
apacheloggerCIA-42: read his commits19:57
apacheloggerit's just a jup to the left and then a step to the right with your hands on your hips19:59
claydohknees?20:00
apacheloggerwhat do knees have to do with it?20:01
* apachelogger waits for claydoh to say it ^^20:01
claydoh'bring your knees in tiiiiiight'20:01
claydohthen its a pelvic thrust..........20:02
apacheloggerlet's do the time warp again!20:02
Quintasanapachelogger: grr20:02
apacheloggerQuintasan: Was ist los?20:02
Quintasanapachelogger: You want to take a look at kdebindings python magic?20:02
* Quintasan versteht nicht20:02
ScottKapachelogger: It's you quoting music he's not old enough to listen to.20:03
apacheloggerWas is los? == What is up?20:03
apacheloggerQuintasan: Nicht wirklich.20:03
QuintasanI understood that much :P20:03
claydohlol its a 'timeless' song hah!20:03
apacheloggerScottK: surely he is old enough for that :P20:03
ScottKapachelogger: OK.  Maybe that one, but there are others from the same show that are questionable for youth.20:05
* neversfelde likes that the updates policy is approved20:06
shadeslayerapachelogger: lol : http://imagebin.ca/view/nyb9SWI.html20:07
neversfeldebut we should really have more time for the doodle votes ;)20:07
apacheloggerScottK: I wouldn't go there or I had to kick myself from the channel ;)20:07
* apachelogger just had a mad idea20:10
apacheloggersince the new kde release script is supposed to be very modular I will make the optparser's --help base its option list off parsing the scirpt files lying around in the libary folder :D20:11
Quintasanapachelogger: Would you be kind enough to forward this to Lex when he is around? http://pastebin.com/tsiG4CHa20:17
apacheloggerhm20:17
apacheloggerI do have join/parts/quits hidden20:18
apacheloggerso I never know when anyone is around 20:18
apacheloggerassuming that everyone is around everytime20:18
apacheloggerQuintasan: why dont you just send a mail?20:18
apacheloggerseems more reliable20:18
* Quintasan is too lazy to search for his email20:19
apacheloggeralso there is memoserv :D20:19
ScottKLooks like I could pretty easily write a hook to script a kdesvn trunk build.20:20
apacheloggerscary20:21
apacheloggerbut cool20:21
shadeslayerive rarely seen lex after he became kubuntu dev :(20:25
ScottKHe got smarter ...20:27
ScottKActually he tends to be around in bursts.20:27
ScottKVery active for a week or so and then less time.20:27
shadeslayeryeah.... active the week KDE gets tagged :D20:27
ScottKNothing wrong with that.  First 4.6 beeta isn't far away.20:29
shadeslayeryep20:30
shadeslayerQuintasan: we should have asked him to work on neon as well20:31
Quintasanhttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_2637_video20:32
Quintasanwhat the hell20:32
shadeslayerwhoa20:36
* Quintasan compiles git kernel20:36
Quintasanthough I don't know if my pc will not explode20:36
apacheloggerwow this is sick20:38
apacheloggerhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/533209/20:38
shadeslayerbtw has anyone tried bridging connections between the Ethernet and Wifi cards in KDE/20:42
ScottKThat may be what happened to Tonio.20:43
apacheloggerhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/533213/20:44
apacheloggermuahahah20:44
apacheloggerScottK: lol20:44
apacheloggershadeslayer: what is there to bridge?20:44
apacheloggeriptables does that just fine I would suppose20:45
shadeslayerive never tried it, so thats why im asking20:45
apacheloggerthere are a bazillion howtos on iptables based routing/natting20:46
shadeslayerprobably20:46
* apachelogger needs to schedule a phonon-merge-request-review day20:46
shadeslayeranyways, im off to sleep20:47
shadeslayercya20:47
yofelgn20:49
yofelhm, improving system performance with cpu and memory load is nice, but please fix the fact that using swap makes the system almost unusable too...20:51
apacheloggersudo swapoff -a20:54
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apparleis there anyway to start a part of daemon with an argument?21:02
apparlehow to pass an argument to start-stop-daemon21:08
apachelogger-- --foo=bar21:09
apacheloggerI suppose21:09
yofelapparle: you mean to the damon that's started? -- --opt21:09
apparleyofel: there isn't any such option in the man page of start-stop-daemon21:10
yofelapparle: I meant, '--' and add your deamon options21:11
yofel-- is used as an option seperator21:11
yofellike: --exec=/usr/bin/daemon -- --logfile=...21:11
apparleyay.... I finally got lircmd on my home made receiver :D21:13
macoRiddell: "exciting" has a 'c'21:17
apacheloggerhow exiting21:18
macoif only he lived like 100mi south of where he is...then i could make a joke about being english and not knowing how to spell in english...21:19
apachelogger^^21:20
* apachelogger went beyond ballmers peak 21:21
apacheloggerenough hacking for today21:21
ulysses:D21:21
apacheloggerthat option parser I wrote is super fancy21:21
apacheloggeralso it solves 90% of the problems I had with the release script design21:21
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dasKreechwhy is there more chatter in here than the support chan?21:48
apacheloggerkubuntu is too good21:48
apacheloggerno need for support21:48
apacheloggerwe should introduce some bugs21:48
dasKreechFunny I've heard it's buggered enough as it is21:49
ulyssesapachelogger: bug 644740 :P21:49
ubottuLaunchpad bug 644740 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "[GM45] GPU Hang when enabling KDE desktop effects" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/64474021:49
dasKreechI've been out of it for a little are we merging kdelibs with Qt?21:50
claydohI think the entire intarwebs  is picking on jono and/or cananonical, so no time for other chats21:51
dasKreechWhat did Jono do?21:51
apacheloggerwhat did canonical do?21:51
claydohplus once everyone figgered out how to get sound in kubuntu, all is pretty nice :)21:51
* apachelogger is moving to meego, there he gets his beloved fedora and does not have to deal with people drawing attention21:52
claydohjono just has to speak these days, but itd the whole openrespect thingy that seems to do it this week21:52
dasKreechWhy are people attacking him for that? did he initiate it?21:52
dasKreechor is he just the contact person21:53
dasKreechthat would be harmony correct?21:53
ScottKdasKreech: I think given how well merging Phonon stuff into Qt has gone, it's a sure thing we'll  merge kdelibs.21:53
claydohdasKreech: he started the idea (iirc) but somehow pissed off the ususal haters and hotheads21:53
ScottKWell it's not like the haters and hotheads are completely without merit.21:54
dasKreechand it's kinda jono's job to deal with them so I think he'll be ok21:55
claydohno but the level of it seems to be quite high21:55
claydohdasKreech: agreed21:55
dasKreechplus at the rate that announcements are dropping I'm sure in 4 weeks people will forget about this much as people no longer really talk about Unity or the buttons being on the "wrong side"21:56
claydohbut like us politics its either either/or, bad/good left/right21:57
apacheloggerunity unity unity21:57
apachelogger3 * unity = trinity21:57
claydohbuttons? they moved the buttons??? o my21:57
dasKreechit's the Wayland forward!21:57
claydoh:)21:57
apacheloggerwhereland?21:57
claydohwhyland21:57
claydohactually unity kinda looks nice to me21:58
dasKreechAgain I don't think that most people would have an issue with anythign that happens as long as there was a feeling that it was open and intended for upstream21:58
apacheloggerit is like pornography for geeks21:58
claydohas  a gnome-hater its looking kinda nice (unity)21:58
dasKreechGoodness knows that Fedora has had some seriously off the wall experiments but people kinda nod at it and wait to see what happens21:58
apacheloggerclaydoh: well it is not gnome21:59
dasKreechI haven't looked at it at all but then I haven't gotten around to trying the netbook KDE either21:59
dasKreechno clue when I'll get around to the media center 21:59
claydohwhile ubuntu does it and everyone yells21:59
dasKreechclaydoh: because people feel that it's against the principle that they are working with21:59
apacheloggernah22:00
apacheloggerbecause you bun too has many loud no sayers22:00
* apachelogger thinks that sentence is very confusing in english22:00
apacheloggerI shall only communicate in binary for the time being22:00
claydohits the 'the big guys have to be knocked down' syndrome22:00
claydohlinux needs to be the niche, cool, geeky OS if grammy uses it, it can't be good22:01
dasKreechapachelogger: it's worse in Jamaican. It has atleast two entendres 22:01
claydohthats what I bet it all really boils down to22:01
dasKreechclaydoh: redhat is quite a bit larger than Canonical22:02
claydohmindshare wise tho22:02
dasKreechI wouldn't doubt if you looked at Novell it's bigger as well22:02
apacheloggernovell22:02
* apachelogger giggles22:02
apacheloggernovell is a big load of worthless junk 22:02
apacheloggerand opensuse22:02
dasKreechbut people feel that it's US |----| Ubuntu22:02
apacheloggerif you get the hint there ;)22:02
apacheloggeroh, I wanted to talk binary22:03
dasKreechwhile they feel that Novell and Redhat are part of US22:03
apacheloggerubuntu also feels very US22:03
claydohI don't think so, there have been haters since the very very beginning22:03
* claydoh was one of the anti-borg crowd22:03
apacheloggeryou did not like the borg?22:04
apachelogger:O22:04
ScottKCurrent Natty soprano and attica are too old for kdesvn trunk.  Someone might want to look at updating them.22:04
claydohonly the cool iniforms22:04
apacheloggerScottK: arent they latest already?22:04
claydohuniforns rather22:04
ScottKapachelogger: Maybe latest release, but not new enough.22:04
apacheloggerScottK: well, I personally would perfer to wait for alpha122:04
ScottKapachelogger: OK.22:05
apacheloggeryou never know what changing those sort of things break22:05
ScottKdasKreech: One difference is that the Ubuntu "experiments" tend to be part of the default install.22:05
apacheloggersomething is very off with my english22:05
ScottKIf it's in the default, it's not an experiment anymore, IMO.22:05
apacheloggerclearly I beyond ballmers peak22:05
ScottKQuick, go help Sput with fixing his Windows port.22:06
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apachelogger*beyond*22:06
apacheloggerthat reminds me that I needed to do QA on phonon for windows22:06
apacheloggerapparently there are tag reading problems22:06
ScottKPolkitQt-1 needs updating too.22:06
apacheloggerahhhh, so much to do22:06
* apachelogger starts crying22:07
ScottKapachelogger: I understood "beyond" when I suggested working on a Windows thing.22:07
apacheloggerlol22:07
* apachelogger is willing to do this for getting qtmultimediakit dead22:08
ScottKapachelogger: No ice cream when I build -j5 with the upstream build script thingy.22:12
apachelogger:O22:12
ScottKI build a debian package in the same chroot with -j5 and it icecreamed just fine.22:12
apachelogger:O22:12
apacheloggersee, that is what I meant when I said that the script is scary22:12
ScottKBTW, finally made it through configure on kde4libs from trunk.22:13
apacheloggerScottK: maybe it hardcodes the g++ path or some stuff22:13
ScottKMaybe.22:13
* ScottK looks around for his ice cream expert.22:13
hrwScottK: anything more then downgrade of gcc-4.5 packages required?22:13
JontheEchidnaThe newest polkit-qt1 requires KDE trunk22:13
JontheEchidnaor more specifically22:13
ScottKOh hai apachelogger.22:13
JontheEchidnaKDE 4.5 will fail with the latest polkit-qt-122:13
apacheloggermeh!22:13
apacheloggerwhy me, oh my oh my22:14
ScottKJontheEchidna: Good thing I didn't install that then.22:14
JontheEchidna(I already have packages for polkit-qt-1 and polkit-kde-122:14
JontheEchidna)22:14
JontheEchidnaBreaks API/ABI too22:14
ScottK(it's not abosolutely required to build)22:14
ScottKhrw: old gcc and new kdesupport stuff, but as JontheEchidna says, you need to be careful about that.22:14
ScottKThe kde build script fails since it doesn't know about attica moving to git.22:14
ScottKJontheEchidna: Did you see the news about KDE point releases in -updates?22:15
JontheEchidnayeah22:15
ScottKDidn't you have 4.4.5 all tested and ready for when the glorious day arrived?22:15
JontheEchidnaI've not done a lot of packaging lately22:16
ScottK4.4.5 isn't lately.22:16
JontheEchidnaoh, right22:16
apacheloggerScottK: and it is the very same chroot?22:16
ScottKapachelogger: Yes.22:16
apacheloggerhmmmm22:17
apacheloggerecho $PATH please22:17
ScottKCan't.  In the middle of building.22:17
apacheloggeromg22:17
apacheloggerscreen ftw22:17
ScottKI did do the export path thingy in your comments.22:17
apacheloggerhmmmm22:17
apacheloggerthen I really do not see why it would not work22:17
* apachelogger sshs22:17
ScottKscreen won't get me more than one instance inside the chroot.22:17
ScottKLet's see how kde4libs does then.22:18
apacheloggerit is mocing right now22:18
ScottKYes, it is.22:18
ScottKthe lack of ice cream was based on watching it not work on kdesupport.22:19
apacheloggeralso byobu or whatever its name is does silly stuff /usr/bin/python /usr/lib/update-notifier/apt-check22:19
ScottKI had to build attica separately, so I used debian packaging for htat.22:19
* ScottK doens't use that.22:19
* apachelogger shall use use good ol screen again, since he does not use anything of that fancy stuff anyway22:19
* ScottK finds it too fancy.22:19
apacheloggerfirst thing I do with it, is change the key combos to standard screen22:20
apacheloggerthem silly f-keys shortcuts conflict with about any CLI app I use ^^22:20
* hrw uses byobu on remote and screen on local22:20
ScottKLooks like it's a good thing I got the 16 GB usb stick.22:20
ScottK/dev/sdb1             15396092   8251096   6362900  57% /var/cache22:20
hrwand yes - stealing of fkeys is ARGGGSHH 22:20
ScottKapachelogger: Do you need any of the other chroots that are left lying around on that box?22:21
hrwDisk /dev/sda: 320.1 GB, 320071851520 bytes22:21
apacheloggerno22:21
hrwops, wrong window22:21
ScottKThanks.  I'll clean up.22:21
hrwScottK: qt4-x11 build started on single pandaboard. will give you info tomorrow how much time it took and did it passed22:22
ScottKThanks.22:22
ScottKhrw: I'm reasonably confident of that patch since I was also able to build qmf on top of the fixed Qt.  It'll still be interesting.22:23
hrwScottK: and who knows... maybe in two days I will be able to run kde4/natty on panda D:22:26
ScottKMaybe.22:26
apacheloggernow that would be sweet22:31
apacheloggerwhat also would be sweet if apachelogger got a device he could also run natty on :P22:31
hrwapachelogger: where are you from?22:37
hrwlooks like european time zone..22:37
apacheloggerthe mountainy lands of austria22:37
hrwapachelogger: knock to my door and I can share beagleboard c3. crap (due to 256MB ram) but device 22:39
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apachelogger^^22:40
ScottKapachelogger: looks like the path is being monkeyed with.  22:41
apacheloggerthis silly script!!!22:42
* apachelogger waves fist22:42
ScottKAt least it's building.22:42
apacheloggerScottK: I think we can export an env var to enforce ICECC22:42
apacheloggerlemme ask the intarwebs22:43
ScottKOK.22:43
Sputwhut. windows?22:43
Sputnot gonna touch that as long as I'm sober enough to read the screen22:43
ScottKSput: Perfect place for a programmer that's past Ballmer Peak.22:43
apacheloggeror maybe not22:43
apacheloggerwe could force make into doing it22:43
apachelogger...22:43
ScottKapachelogger seems to have made a bit of a recovery.22:43
SputScottK: regarding the ballmer peak, I'm in limbo right now22:44
SputI'm not far enough over to go to bed now22:44
ScottKapachelogger: Figure out how to get it as an option in the script and send it upstream.22:44
Sputwhich means MOAR ALCOHOL I guess22:44
apacheloggerScottK: I do not want to22:44
apacheloggerit is the perl22:44
apacheloggerthe perl is legacy22:44
apacheloggerthat would be like doing gnome stuff22:44
apacheloggeroh how I hated doing gnome stuff22:44
* apachelogger waves fist again22:44
apacheloggerScottK: DarkwingDuck knows all about perl he told me22:45
Sputperl is great22:45
ScottKapachelogger: OK.  Explain him what to do and he can be your perl minion.22:45
apacheloggerin fact he is as supreme in doing decent things with perl as I am with ruby22:45
Sputyou kids with those shiny new toys, go away22:45
* ScottK has to go for a while.22:45
apacheloggerDarkwingDuck: pingy22:45
* apachelogger sings .... always look on the bright side of life, always look on the light side of life...22:46
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DarkwingDuckapachelogger: pong23:16
Riddellshadeslayer: my wishlist item?23:29
starcraftmanapachelogger: thanks for the flowers, and for the record my zerglings are minions, I like to think I'm a bit higher up the ladder. Like evil henchman maybe?23:58
starcraftmanneed to start signing in from work maybe, keep missing people pinging me :/23:59

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