[00:22] [muon] jmthomas * 1197477 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (4 files in 2 dirs) (log message trimmed) [00:22] Several improvements to ScreenShotViewer: - Only allow one dialog to be open at [00:22] a time, to protect against accidental multiple clicks - Set the busy cursor [00:27] [muon] jmthomas * 1197478 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ApplicationDetailsView/ (ApplicationDetailsWidget.cpp ApplicationDetailsWidget.h) Memory management++ [00:28] [muon] jmthomas * 1197479 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ScreenShotViewer.cpp SVN_SILENT: Tweak padding === hrw|gone is now known as hrw [08:49] Riddell: either qoauth is unmaintained or upstream doesnt like me or his mail address in the copyright is dated [09:42] apachelogger: hmm, I thought qoauth was quite recently written [09:45] Riddell: that does not mean it cannot be unmaintained ;) [09:45] ubuntuone-kde also was quite recently written :P [09:45] right enough [09:59] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBHONx9vTtI [10:07] uh oh, random youtube leak [10:15] better than talking binary I suppose ;) [10:15] that said... [10:17] http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/binaryirc.c [10:18] in case it should happen again, this bugger will decode it ;) [10:42] Friday 16:00 for meeting I think [10:43] 1600 utc? [10:44] apachelogger, hmm, perl -pe 's/[01]{7,8} ?/pack("B8", $&)/ge;' [10:47] maco: yes [10:47] al: perl is being removed from you bun too [10:47] do not use legacy software :P [10:53] haha [10:53] (you *are* kidding, right?) [10:54] nope [10:58] apachelogger: Any source for that? [11:00] some UDS spec [11:01] so when are they going to remove gnome? [11:01] in the quest for getting more space on the CD they are removing stuff that is not absolutely necessary [11:01] can't get much more legacy then that :P [11:01] such as perl, which is only used by like 5 scripts on the CD or so [11:02] Sput: I was thinking that they would announce it at UDS (going with unity to qt and all), but they didnt :( [11:02] surely it is only a matter of time though [11:02] Ah, on the cd. Like they did with aptitude and gimp. As long as it's in main, there's no need to worry. [11:06] apachelogger: unity and qt? [11:11] sure [11:12] is python on the CD? [11:12] python>perl [11:12] in file size? [11:13] Riddell: the timeanddate link you posted is for 2010-12-19... [11:13] al: in relevancy to you bun too [11:14] apachelogger: doh [11:29] * ulysses hates copyright === eMyller_ is now known as eMyller [12:23] ScottK: so the patch might fix the compile failure of Qt on ARM but there's now another problem? [12:56] Riddell: Yes. gcc regression. Bug #675347 [12:56] Launchpad bug 675347 in gcc-4.5 (Ubuntu Natty) "volatile int causes inline assembly build failure" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/675347 [12:58] apachelogger: Qt compiled in less than 12 hours. [12:58] (4 minutes less) [12:58] So that's cut the time half. [12:58] Very impressive.. [12:59] Riddell: It built with the patch. Now I want to build something with that Qt. If that works, then I'll call it good. [13:00] * apachelogger doesn't have a good feeling about today's calculus exam :S [13:00] ScottK: only :O [13:00] there is bound to be improvement possible [13:00] ...say add a 4th machine ;) [13:00] Quintasan_: apport hooks were done by yofel [13:00] Considering much of the time is spent on things that aren't ice creamable, I think it's very good. [13:00] apachelogger: Yes. Just a matter of needing time to do it. [13:00] hm [13:01] here is a thought... have i386 do the build but distribute the jobs to arm ^^ [13:01] then linking and stuff probably would be even faster [13:03] ScottK: so we need to revert the change to gcc and add the patch to Qt? [13:10] Riddell: Yes. [13:11] apachelogger: in next months launchpad will get several pandaboards for build farm [13:12] so armel builds will go faster [13:12] and who again does not get one ... apachelogger ... [13:12] this world is very cruel to me [13:12] no ideapads, no n900s, no pandas... [13:16] hrw: anyhow, surely the buildds will still not be able to build Qt in 12 hours :P [13:17] world is cruel... no ideapad here as well [13:17] btw - what is ideapad? [13:18] ... [13:18] some small thinkpad IIRC [13:18] sorta netbookish I suppose [13:18] ah.. lenovo netbook with atom... [13:18] apachelogger: you have a ARM processor on you phone! [13:19] go use adb and compile stuff [13:19] p.u.c had a nice post [13:19] what would the point of this be? [13:19] Well, perl is preinstalled on the N900 ;-) [13:20] legacy perl for legacy N900, makes sense [13:21] One should not mock perl (and there's nothing legacy about the N900. The built-in GPS software is worthless, but come on, the machine has a command line! What more do you want?) [13:22] http://harvest.ubuntu.com/opportunities/?pkg.set=kubuntu that is a lot of opportunities right there... [13:22] * shadeslayer runs [13:22] alvin: ask you bun too, perl is legacy!!!! [13:22] even if DarkwingDuck says otherwise [13:24] I use perl extensively, but I do miss Qt4 bindings. [13:25] Riddell: Here's the arm patch: http://pastebin.com/66R907FK - Also need to revert the export of implicit-it=thumb in debian rules. [13:26] ScottK: ok I'll do that before I upload [13:26] having fun with qtwebkit today, it seems to have gained support for three different build systems [13:26] Please be sure to credit the guy that wrote it in the changelog [13:26] Nice. [13:26] The guy that did the patch is a Linaro guy and I want to make sure he feels good about the contribution. [13:27] alvin: I dare you to port perlqt to qt4 [13:27] apachelogger: Didn't someone do that already? [13:27] apachelogger: It's already in progress, yes [13:27] I wouldnt know [13:27] perl is legacy so I have little interest :P [13:27] probably c# is the future [13:27] This is the project http://search.cpan.org/~cburel/Qt4-0.60_b1/lib/Qt4.pm [13:27] ScottK: nice. can you share source package? [13:28] hrw: In a few hours. Yes. [13:28] thx [13:28] that said... you bun too is dropping all sorts of stuff to gain space and yet they effort having mono on the CD, do they not? [13:28] will give some work for panda [13:28] apachelogger: it's been there for quite a while. [13:28] alvin: I dare you to contribute to that project [13:28] ScottK: changelogs were there long before :P [13:29] True [13:29] apachelogger: Maybe it only needs a debian package to be finished :-) [13:29] We'll get more space though and the change won't be our fault, so not so bad. [13:31] we should kick amarok for depending on glib..... [13:31] and anything else that deps on glib [13:31] Qt is the future [13:32] Qt uses glib [13:32] ... [13:33] or as you would put it ... 01100111 01101100 01101001 01100010 00100000 00111100 00110011 [13:33] we need better toolkits -.- [13:34] it's gtk that amarok depends on which is annoying (via libgpod) [13:34] Tk! [13:34] Riddell: so does the [libre,open]office [13:34] or does it not anymore? [13:35] * apachelogger feels dirty from all that g* talk and feels like taking a shower [13:36] yes, that too [13:42] <_Groo_> hi/2 all [13:48] ah! [13:48] maco: I remember the particular push button situation from UDS [13:48] now I do not argue the push button states [13:49] we were merly suggesting to not use a push button for that use case at all [13:51] oh dear [13:51] surveymonkey is not doing the working in rekonq [13:51] shadeslayer: !!! [13:51] whaa.... [13:51] apachelogger: test case [13:52] it opens up fine here.... [13:52] the surveys do not work!! [13:52] ticking stuff does not do not ticky sign [13:53] i dont have a form i can tick :P [13:53] eh [13:54] did you not get a uds survey at some point? [13:54] ah that one [13:54] i think i filled that one out in chromium [13:55] ... === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [13:55] even the rekonq dev uses a working browser [13:56] i cant open the form again :P [13:57] create your own survey [13:57] shadeslayer: what's wrong with kdesupport? [13:57] Quintasan: eh? [13:58] kdebindings cant find automoc4 and claims it is a part of kdesupport [14:00] bah [14:00] no it isnt? [14:00] apachelogger: you are right, but imo its webkits fault [14:00] tell that to kdebindings [14:01] http://gitweb.kde.org/automoc.git [14:01] whoa [14:01] hold on [14:01] CMake Error at /opt/project-neon/share/apps/cmake/modules/FindPackageHandleStandardArgs.cmake:198 (MESSAGE): [14:01] Did not find automoc4 (Automoc4Config.cmake, part of kdesupport). [14:01] wutz [14:01] apachelogger: i made it work once [14:01] ehm [14:01] ah see theres a sweet spot there [14:01] Quintasan: there is a difference between part of kdesupport and part of kdesupport's source [14:01] ... [14:02] apachelogger: http://imagebin.ca/view/zNh66q.html [14:02] https://projects.kde.org/projects/kdesupport/automoc [14:02] there [14:02] part of kdesupport [14:02] shadeslayer: what sort of madness is this? [14:03] apachelogger: click on the area between the grey button and the white button on the top [14:03] apachelogger: kdewebkit madness .... [14:03] I did it otherwheres meanwhile [14:03] shadeslayer: please report a bug to whatever of your upstreams is at fault [14:03] * apachelogger packs his bag for calculus === mars__ is now known as marseillai_ [14:10] shadeslayer: care to do do git builds of automoc or we will use the one from repos? [14:11] Quintasan: will look at them tonight after im done with some other stuff first [14:39] hrw: http://kitterman.com/kubuntu/qt4-x11_4.7.0-0ubuntu9.dsc - Assuming you have the orig.tar.gz, you should be able to just dget that. [14:39] thx [14:39] tar.gz is not a problem - my apt-cacher-ng should have it [14:39] You'll need to make sure not to use the current gcc-4.5 in Natty due to Bug #675347 [14:39] Launchpad bug 675347 in gcc-4.5 (Ubuntu Natty) "volatile int causes inline assembly build failure" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/675347 [14:40] ok === hrw is now known as hrw|gone [15:22] * Riddell high fives ScottK [15:23] awesome, point releases can now go in -updates [15:26] oh, so we do not need ppa for stable KDE releases? that means PPC binaries! <3 [15:29] It does. [15:29] very good from that point too then [15:29] but also, very good we can provide stable releases neatly [15:39] Sent mail to the mail list. [15:40] Riddell: I think it was Jon the Taco that had tracked testing of 4.4.5 for Lucid and thought it was ready. Once he's around, we ought to see if we can get that one moving. [15:42] ScottK: we start tracking 4.5.3 in maverick too presumably? [15:43] Yes, but AIUI, 4.4.5 is ~ready. [15:43] yes [15:43] 4.4.5/7 I should say .... [15:56] apachelogger: I got proper ice cream from a logged in chroot with running the hook by hand and exporting the items you mention in comments. [15:56] apachelogger: I think we are to the point this should be blogged about. === You're now known as ubuntulog === You're now known as ubuntulog_ === You're now known as ubuntulog [16:51] Riddell: My test build of qmf with the patched Qt succeeded, so I think that patch is good (for a distro patch). It still needs to be made portable to go upstream. [16:53] Quintasan: cam doesnt work on the Desire HD ports to Desire .... kaboom [16:54] * shadeslayer hates oxygen-icon uploads [16:54] 156MB source package..... 16 MB binary package [16:57] expensive news everyone! [16:57] Uh. Oh. [16:57] apachelogger is giving away free work hours this fine evening has he tries to approach ballmers peek [16:57] s/has/as [16:58] apachelogger: Time for a blog post on the ice cream success. [16:58] shadeslayer: you need to blog on the ice cream armada [16:58] what [16:58] apachelogger: You do one touting your technical brilliance and I'll do another on your technical brilliance and management overview. [16:58] hahaha [16:58] uhh, that sounds like fun indeed [16:59] * apachelogger fires up the blogilo [16:59] * shadeslayer should get a wp domain [16:59] Then maybe Riddell would allow us to announce the hardware donation and give proper appreciation to the sponsors of the hardware on kubuntu.org. [17:00] about that.... what hardware? i saw it on planet.ubuntu that we got hardware [17:00] ScottK: no problem with that from me [17:00] more specifically... kubuntu-devs got hardware [17:01] shadeslayer: More incentive to rise from minion status. [17:01] ScottK: but what did you get! [17:01] * apachelogger notes that he himself did not get hardware even though is constantly whining for an n900 or other fancy stuff he could run kubuntu mobile on [17:01] (for which first, as apachelogger and I distinctly reminded you yesterday, you need to find us some more minions) [17:01] shadeslayer: http://www.genesi-usa.com/products/efika. [17:02] <3 minions [17:02] oic [17:02] ScottK: and where are these awesome boxes ? [17:02] In my basement data center. [17:02] ah kewl [17:03] (well one is still in it's box since I didn't set it up yet) [17:03] oh noes [17:03] you disclosed the secret location [17:03] of our secret hardware, with which we do secret things [17:03] I didn't say where in the basement. It's well hidden. [17:03] there goes the newly obtained elitism of kubuntu-dev :( [17:03] Plus the basement is a mess, so even if you knew where, you'd have a hard time finding it. [17:03] apachelogger: i dont know where ScottK lives tho [17:04] shadeslayer: It's not hard to figure out. [17:04] ScottK: yeah... ill just have to look it up on the wiki/launchpad [17:04] ScottK: still, it would be better if we were able to claim that the hardware was on a cloaked spacepship from the future orbiting earth [17:04] However the fact that you considered not already knowing might be some kind of barrier is confirmation that minion status is still quite appropriate. [17:05] apachelogger: Latency is too low for low earth orbit. [17:05] TCP/IP to space just sucks. [17:05] shadeslayer: since he runs a company that surely cannot be that difficult to find out ;) [17:05] Due to the whole speed of light nonsense. [17:05] ScottK: we could say that we use a newly developed protocol developed only for our use [17:05] That or whois my not at all secret domain name. === yofel_ is now known as yofel [17:05] oh [17:05] oh [17:06] ohhh [17:06] We could say lots of things. [17:06] since the spaceship is from the future it got fancy tech that allows data transmission at warp5 [17:06] apachelogger: should I set -graphicssystem raster on the Qt compile or do you recon environment variable is better? [17:06] were getting raster? [17:06] * apachelogger just got lost in a fantasy and watches a mathmagician pull a rabbit out of an epsilon [17:06] yayy [17:07] It's in the spec, so it must be true. [17:07] Riddell: I am more for envrionment variable for starters [17:07] * ScottK too [17:07] saves us two pointless rebuilds in case it turns out to be the crap [17:07] also shtylman still needs to fix openoffice to work with raster by default [17:09] apachelogger: presumably it means doing a kdebase rebuild to add it to startkde though? [17:09] Quintasan: I packaged automoc a while ago, look at our packaging todo and ppa package list [17:09] and there's not much left in kdesupport, most moved to git [17:09] Riddell: xession scripty [17:10] or we could use /usr/share/env or something like that (as is executed by startkde) [17:10] xsession is probably best though [17:11] oh dear [17:11] choqok notifies about successful posting [17:12] isnt that good? [17:12] exactly how I like it, choqok just got to -13% of overall awesomeness [17:12] (it used to be at -126) [17:16] im having a bit of trouble understanding this FTBFS https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+build/2049243/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-amd64.kdebase-workspace_4:4.5.3-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [17:16] kdebase-runtime is built, kdepim-runtime is built... why is it complaining then? [17:21] Why does workspace need a runtime to build? [17:21] magical reasons I would suppose [17:22] no idea whatsoever [17:22] shadeslayer: you need to set up a chroot and see what happens when you install it [17:22] working on that right now [17:23] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhNM2K8cmU8 [17:25] apachelogger: what's that? [17:25] work music [17:46] ScottK: I really do not know what to blog [17:51] Riddell: you still did not reply on my fancy idea regarding reduction of config paths to search :( [17:52] apachelogger: About the ice creaming and teaching it to deliver the right compiler so it didn't misbuild, etc. [17:52] And about building Qt in half the time. [17:52] hm, not particularly much content [17:52] * apachelogger will have to switch to rambling mode [17:53] omg, so much to do [17:53] You can also talk about how as phonon maintainer you had our first success with fixing armel build failures [17:53] qtcreator cmake support waits, likeback waits, phonon waits... :S [17:53] apachelogger: Blog about how more wonderful KDE/Kubuntu on arm can be now that the community has hardware to work with. [17:54] oh, yeah [17:54] public relations ftw! [17:54] Exactly. Isn't that what blogs are for? [17:54] jussi: do you have a pic of qt on arm? [17:54] * Riddell makes note to reply on apachelogger'sfancy idea regarding reduction of config paths to search [17:55] ScottK: I usually abuse them as wikis or when I feel the need to get my tech ego enlarged ;) [17:55] OK. That too. [18:06] apachelogger: he took one on his phone [18:06] so he is bound to have it [18:08] apachelogger: You can always repurpose the one used in the Karmic release announcement. [18:08] uh? [18:12] apachelogger: http://dot.kde.org/2009/10/29/kubuntu-910-release-adds-plasma-netbook-preview [18:14] oh, no, too geeky ^^ [18:14] Id rather have a proper Qt on arm ;) [18:14] It's OK. Your post is geeky, mine is technical. [18:14] err [18:14] technical/management [18:15] pfff [18:15] Riddell: its building fine in my pbuilder [18:18] then theres https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+build/2049475, when i already have libindi in the ppa [18:23] how to set which application handles http links [18:24] its under system settings [18:24] shadeslayer: in default applications? [18:24] File associations i think [18:25] I have somehow messed my system such that... man:something tries to open through wine browser [18:28] :O [18:33] no sheytan!!! [18:33] omg [18:35] ScottK: I cannot publish without first harassing the artwork overlord for a blog header picture... [18:36] * apachelogger still has a blog post on kubuntu documentation in the pipeline too :S [18:39] apachelogger: dpkg --compare-versions 1 > 2 isnt working, what am i doing wrong? [18:40] you are not reading the documentation [18:40] ubuntu-bug shadeslayer [18:40] heh :P [18:40] shadeslayer package doesnt exsist in the archives:P [18:40] so i use lt ....or gt ... or whatever [18:41] whatever might not be the right word there :P [18:41] heh :P [18:42] * apachelogger hates rekonq [18:42] I cannot even save a webpage to a kio slave [18:43] how silly is that [18:43] could just as well use arora and have a non-crappy multi-tab behaviour [18:43] uh what [18:43] go to web page [18:43] try to save as... [18:43] to a kio slave [18:44] now where do i find that? [18:44] oh [18:44] you mean remote folders and such? [18:44] yes [18:44] afaik its made that way or something [18:44] there was a discussion on the ML about this [18:45] I also argued in a bug report about it [18:45] because there is no reason for this limitation [18:45] none [18:45] absolutely none [18:45] not even a small one [18:49] bug adjam in rekonq mailing list? [18:50] you can tell him to come with a proper argument for not changing 3 lines or so, to make it work :P [18:51] apachelogger: tell him yourself, it would be a better impact imo [18:52] * apachelogger is busy reaching ballmers peak :P [18:52] also I am still waiting for the artist [18:53] apachelogger: also, can you look at https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+build/2049475 [18:53] i have libindi - 0.6.1-0ubuntu2~lucid1~ppa1 in the ppa [18:53] shadeslayer: More and more I'm considering we should reconsider our decision on rekonq as default. [18:54] is anyone on top of the rekonq-consider-yourself-bashed list? [18:54] why? ..... what happened? [18:54] shadeslayer: I almost got too late to lecture because I could not print a pdf [18:54] shadeslayer: I think upstream has an unreasonable resistance to reasonable feature requests. [18:54] apachelogger: thats fixed in KDE 4.6 apparently... or something similar [18:55] ScottK: such as openwith? :P [18:55] * ScottK is noticing apachelogger's current difficulty and recalls the welcome reception open with got. [18:55] * apachelogger recommends shadeslayer to recommend to adam to consider the dolphin way of considering features [18:55] shadeslayer: Yes, but I get the impression he's got his way and is not open to input. [18:56] libindi-dev(inst 0.6.1-0ubuntu2~lucid1~ppa1 ! >= wanted 0.6.1-0ubuntu2) [18:56] shadeslayer: that makes perfect sense?! [18:56] Heh. [18:56] Yep. [18:56] ScottK: frankly im in the favour of open with, but adjam would probably any revert any commits i make wrt open with [18:56] *cough*fork*cough* [18:56] shadeslayer: I'm not suggesting you do it. I'm suggesting it's evidence of an unhelpful upstream. [18:56] apachelogger: bah.... i did make sense of it, just wasnt sure [18:56] * apachelogger is all in favor of having shadeslayer as lead dev :P [18:56] lol [18:57] apachelogger: the project would probably die out :P [18:57] shadeslayer: foo~something reduces foo by an epsilon [18:57] apachelogger: We need to find a minion to do the analysis of how much more space it would take to ship firefox. [18:57] and if you can pull a rabbit out of the epsilon, the epsilon was to big :P [18:57] uh that one is never getting old [18:57] the calculus prof got all Oo when I told him that ^^ [18:58] ScottK: let me generalize that to "we need to find a minion" [18:58] Certainly. [18:58] hehehe [18:58] Maybe debfx knows a minion candidate. [18:58] DarkwingDuck: do you have one already? [18:58] starcraftman: ping [18:58] Ah. Right. [18:59] I told you apachelogger.... I've sent starcraftman in here for you. [18:59] DarkwingDuck: I sent flowers to starcraftman, yet he did not reply [18:59] moar minions? [18:59] Never enough. [18:59] There are never enough. [18:59] Particularly when you look the slackers we've got now. [18:59] shadeslayer: you are a spoiled single minion [18:59] * DarkwingDuck looks around in a panic [18:59] yeah :D [19:00] in the past we always had at least 2 minions or 1.5 :P [19:00] hehehe [19:00] in my defense... i had exams for the past week [19:01] that is no defense [19:02] It is however an excuse [19:02] ask jr, he always wanted me to study for exams, yet I usually did write fancy scripts or package some KDE release [19:02] DarkwingDuck: not even that [19:02] No, it may be a poor excuse but, still an excuse [19:02] works for me [19:03] Then again... excuses are like #&$@oles... everyone has one and they all stink :P:P:P [19:03] DarkwingDuck: can you find me an artist? [19:03] For? [19:04] sheytan seems to be MIA today and I need one to make me a fancy blog post header picture [19:04] Let me to some checking... [19:06] omg, going to wikipedia these days is dangerous, jimbo will jump right at you ^^ [19:06] * apachelogger wonders why jimbo did not stop by at UDS though [19:06] isnt he living in florida or something? [19:07] the wikipedia says so at least, must be true then [19:08] lol [19:11] shadeslayer: I was thinking, we could include a binary en/decoder in quassel [19:12] that way we could do elite talk without even noticing :P [19:12] ^_^ [19:12] or something with a better algorithm :P [19:14] you can just make a script, put it in .config/quassel-irc.org/scripts/ and then use /exec binconv.sh BLA [19:14] that wouldn't doo auto-decoding though :P [19:15] yeah, insufficient [19:15] didnt know that quassel das scripts though [19:15] yofel++ [19:16]