[00:42] <kristian-aalborg> hey, it worked
[00:43] <kristian-aalborg> added about 260 mb to a (very) full install of ubuntu
[00:47] <phillw> kristian-aalborg: lubuntu will run on about 512MB at a push, if it found your existing swap area, you should be happy with it, else use the advanced options on partitioning and tell it where your swap area is.
[00:48] <kristian-aalborg> phillw: I have no swap as it's a ssd
[00:48] <phillw> kristian-aalborg: i've just sent you an invite.
[00:49] <kristian-aalborg> sorry, I don't see it?
[00:50] <phillw> try the command /join #lubuntu-offtopic
[01:14] <kristian-aalborg> hmm
[01:15] <kristian-aalborg> so first time I ran lubuntu, everything went smooth except that I could not log out except via the terminal
[01:20] <kristian-aalborg> now I don't even have the option to choose lubuntu when I start up
[01:20] <kristian-aalborg> and, I still have GDM - shouldn't LXDM be default?
[01:21] <head_victim> GDM will still run you just have to select the different session type down the bottom
[01:21] <kristian-aalborg> hi head_victim
[01:21] <head_victim> Gday kristian-aalborg
[01:22] <kristian-aalborg> nope, Lubuntu is not there
[01:22] <kristian-aalborg> I have lxde, though
[01:23] <head_victim> lxde is the one you want.
[01:23] <kristian-aalborg> it does not start lubuntu :(
[01:23] <kristian-aalborg> it starts ubuntu + lxde
[01:23] <kristian-aalborg> (=not pretty)
[01:24] <head_victim> Odd, I don't recall that in the VM I set up prior to switching to Lubuntu
[01:25] <kristian-aalborg> head_victim, I think you missed the first part of the saga ;)
[01:26] <kristian-aalborg> this is "on top" of ubuntu, via aptitude
[01:27] <phillw> kristian-aalborg: then remove the gnome stuff :P
[01:27] <kristian-aalborg> this machine is not for me
[01:27] <head_victim> Yeah I did a VirtualBox install of gnome and installed lubuntu over the top
[01:27] <kristian-aalborg> I'm trying to showcase what can be done with OSS on it
[01:28] <phillw> kristian-aalborg: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp#Install%20Lubuntu%20from%20Ubuntu%20or%20any%20Ubuntu%20flavors
[01:28] <kristian-aalborg> that's exactly what I did
[01:29] <phillw> then you will no longer have ubuntu (gnome)
[01:30] <kristian-aalborg> huh?
[01:30] <kristian-aalborg> && sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop
[01:30] <kristian-aalborg> this is what I did
[01:30] <phillw> nope, what does it tell you do?
[01:31] <phillw> kristian-aalborg: If you wish to get rid of an existing k/x/ed/ubuntu then head over to Pure LXDE. alter the very end from  && sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktopTo && sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends lubuntu-desktop
[01:32] <phillw> kristian-aalborg: It's why we wrote the instructions :)
[01:32] <kristian-aalborg> yes
[01:32] <kristian-aalborg> so && sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop *keeps* gnome
[01:33] <phillw> kristian-aalborg: you need to run the whole command from http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/purelxde and just alter the last bit.
[01:34] <kristian-aalborg> I have no intention of doing that
[01:34] <kristian-aalborg> in that case, I'd start over w/ lubuntu or something
[01:34] <phillw> kristian-aalborg: well, as it says, you will be running apps from both systems which is fine if you want to do so.
[01:35] <kristian-aalborg> yup
[01:35] <kristian-aalborg> but it bothers me that I can't log into the lubuntu desktop
[01:36] <phillw> did you install the ppa?
[01:36] <kristian-aalborg> yes
[01:36] <kristian-aalborg> everything but the key
[01:37] <phillw> well, without the key, you will not get the packages, that is part of linux security.
[01:37] <kristian-aalborg> ahhh
[01:40] <kristian-aalborg> sudo apt-key adv --keyserver pgp.mit.edu  --recv-keys ACC3E225CF57B0F4
[01:40] <kristian-aalborg> what would the exact command be?
[01:41] <phillw> IDK, if you did not accept the ppa key I'll have to go and ask.
[01:42] <kristian-aalborg> I was not asked to?
[01:45] <phillw> kristian-aalborg: I'm just double checking on it, I'm not ignoring you; please give me a few minutes.
[01:45] <kristian-aalborg> np
[01:45]  * kristian-aalborg lights a cig
[01:49] <phillw> kristian-aalborg: run sudo add-apt-repository ppa:lubuntu-desktop/ppa again, accept the gpg key and will overwrite the exisiting one, there after you can do the update.
[01:50] <kristian-aalborg> k
[01:52] <kristian-aalborg> error 2, name or service not found
[01:53] <kristian-aalborg> btw, would you happen to have some ram for sale?
[01:53] <kristian-aalborg> or swap, perhaps... I have some that might fit your box
[01:53] <kristian-aalborg> whoa
[01:54] <kristian-aalborg> I'm tired... typing in the wrong window
[01:54] <kristian-aalborg> error 2 was true, though ;)
[01:54] <phillw> kristian-aalborg: I only have spare laptop RAM.
[01:54] <kristian-aalborg> phillw: old stuff?
[01:54] <kristian-aalborg> as in, pc 100 or preferably 66?
[01:55] <phillw> 256MB sticks, I've got two of the little horrors gathering dust.
[01:56] <kristian-aalborg> got a paypal account?
[01:57] <phillw> kristian-aalborg: I've tried to sell them on ebay for 99p, but no one wants them. They're out of my system when I did the upgrade, I also have some desktop RAM from a DELL computer that is also gathering dust.
[02:01] <kristian-aalborg> phillw: I'd be glad to have it
[02:12] <kristian-aalborg> wow, I have somehow broken wireless also
[10:23] <kristian-aalborg> so, the LTS is 10.4
[10:23] <kristian-aalborg> ?
[10:23] <bioterror> yes
[10:24] <kristian-aalborg> k
[10:24] <kristian-aalborg> and default file system is...?
[10:24] <kristian-aalborg> ext4?
[10:26] <bioterror> if you want
[10:26] <bioterror> at least I'm running Ext4 on a 10.04 machine
[10:27] <kristian-aalborg> I'd prefer ext2 on the ssd
[10:27] <bioterror> yeah and I would prefer fat16
[10:28] <bioterror> there's no proof that journaling system is bad for SSD
[10:28] <bioterror> if there is, I would stand corrected if someone points that to me
[10:30] <kristian-aalborg> fat16 rocks :P
[10:32] <kristian-aalborg> bioterror: this is first-gen ssd
[10:53] <kristian-aalborg> how much space will 10.4 take?
[10:53] <Timo_> hi kristian-aalborg what 10.04 exactly?
[10:53] <Timo_> Ubuntu regular? Lubuntu? Lubuntu-desktop uppon Ubuntu?
[10:54] <kristian-aalborg> Lubuntu
[10:54] <Timo_> mm
[10:54] <Timo_> should be somewhere in wiki
[10:54] <Timo_> lemme check
[10:56] <Timo_> mm my laptop runs 10.10 I can check how much is taken out there if u like?
[10:56] <Timo_> cos I don't seem to find it on the wiki
[10:56] <Timo_> but it should be something like 2 gb
[10:59] <Timo_> friTTe|: hi are you here?
[10:59] <Timo_> zkriesse: u here? phillw? :D
[11:02] <kristian-aalborg> Timo_: I'm glad I'm not the only one who could see it in the wiki ;)
[11:03] <kristian-aalborg> thing is, I have a 2gb internal drive that it would be cool to keep it on - the box seems to boot faster from that
[11:05] <sultan2> I think that searching at Linux Questions (LQ) would be better than http://www.linuxidx.com/ I mean what the benefits are?
[11:07] <kristian-aalborg> LQ is good
[11:07] <kristian-aalborg> I don't know the other
[11:08] <Timo_> mm kristian-aalborg I would wait for an answer here
[11:08] <Timo_> and as soon as I know it I'll put it on wiki
[11:08] <kristian-aalborg> Timo_: yup, your df -h should give me something to go by
[11:08] <kristian-aalborg> cool
[11:08] <Timo_> as it's pretty basic info
[11:08] <Timo_> which is quite necessary to some
[11:10] <Timo_> kristian-aalborg: with my 10.10 lubuntu I use 2.4 gb
[11:10] <kristian-aalborg> ah bugger
[11:11] <Timo_> but
[11:11] <Timo_> it's not a default install
[11:11] <Timo_> I've got Java installed, NetBeans IDE, Firefox
[11:11] <kristian-aalborg> hurm
[11:12] <Timo_> bugger
[11:12] <kristian-aalborg> ah whatever... I'll just pop it in and see what happens
[11:12] <Timo_> why should it be so hard to know how much a system takes @ space
[11:12] <Timo_> :P
[11:12] <Timo_> soz, I thought I had a clear install
[11:12] <Timo_> but obviously it's not
[11:13] <kristian-aalborg> they don't stay clear very long ;)
[11:13] <kristian-aalborg> I think the installation says someting like 2,3 gb
[11:13] <Timo_> mm k
[11:13] <Timo_> that's a pity :(
[11:14] <kristian-aalborg> I'll have to see later, when I get home from work
[11:14] <Timo_> I know installs won't stay clean for long
[11:14] <Timo_> but I actually never used my lubuntu partition
[11:14] <Timo_> it's on my laptop, and I use LinuxMint on it
[11:14] <Timo_> so I've just installed it some weeks ago
[11:14] <Timo_> but apparently I also installed some software on it
[11:14] <Timo_> at the time of installing the system
[11:14] <Timo_> so that's a pity
[11:15] <kristian-aalborg> most "full" distros take up that kind of space these days
[11:16] <head_victim> Depends on what you want to do with the installation you can get it under 2gb.
[11:16] <kristian-aalborg> head_victim: yes, I can do without some things
[11:16] <kristian-aalborg> webcam + media burner apps
[11:16] <kristian-aalborg> but
[11:17] <kristian-aalborg> not easily if the installation takes up more space than I have
[11:17] <head_victim> Look at the mini install
[11:17] <head_victim> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall
[11:17] <Timo_> but head_victim
[11:18] <Timo_> if you install "lubuntu-desktop" you get all the lubuntu packages don't you?
[11:18] <kristian-aalborg> it's not the end of the world
[11:18] <Timo_> so that still gets it up to 2.3gb?
[11:18] <Timo_> kristian-aalborg: it is!
[11:18] <Timo_> :P
[11:18] <head_victim> Yes, but a fresh mini install will take up LOTS less space than a normal ubuntu with lubuntu-desktop on it
[11:18] <kristian-aalborg> I could install, trim down and copy everything to the smaller dir
[11:19] <Timo_> head_victim: but I think he was about to install it from a live Lubuntu cd
[11:19] <head_victim> If you're going to start from scratch, seriously, start with the mini install if you want to make it use as little disk spacea spossible.
[11:19] <head_victim> That way you only install the programs you need.
[11:20] <kristian-aalborg> this is an early Eee... perhaps the minimal would be better
[11:21] <kristian-aalborg> but, I like the idea of a full OS to show what gnu/linux is
[11:21] <head_victim> You won't get a "full" OS on 2gb.
[11:21] <kristian-aalborg> full-ish
[11:21] <kristian-aalborg> I have 6gb total
[11:22] <kristian-aalborg> but media on the external 4 gb would be sweet
[11:22] <head_victim> You might be better off using a 4gb usb thumb drive with persistence.
[11:23] <kristian-aalborg> head_victim: it's not a thumb drive, it is an sd card
[11:23] <kristian-aalborg> a sd card, even
[11:24] <kristian-aalborg> no wait... an
[11:24] <head_victim> Oh ok, thought it was just all the space you had available on the internal ssd.
[11:24] <kristian-aalborg> *pedantic mode off"
[11:24] <kristian-aalborg> I have 2 gb sdd and 4 gb sd
[11:25] <head_victim> Fair enough, it's possible to get it down under 2gb but it won't be full featured.
[11:26] <kristian-aalborg> in that case, I'll just put in on the 4gb
[11:30] <kristian-aalborg> regardless, time to go to work
[11:30] <kristian-aalborg> see ya
[11:30] <Timo_> cu
[12:33] <kaemo> hi folks
[12:41] <kaemo> is there a way to change panel's and windowbar's font? it's bigger then in-window font and doesn't wanna change using 'customize look and feel' app
[12:41] <bioterror> really
[12:41] <bioterror> from settings
[12:42] <bioterror> there was a certain application where you can change fonts
[12:42] <bioterror> but
[12:42] <bioterror> I think you can do it by tweaking that .config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml or what was it
[12:42] <kaemo> I'll give it a try
[12:45] <kaemo> it seems this will do the trick
[12:45] <bioterror> oh yeah
[12:45] <kaemo> thanks bioterror
[12:45] <bioterror> np
[12:45] <kaemo> brb then
[12:46] <bioterror> o//
[12:50] <bioterror> hi again
[12:50] <kaemo> :)
[12:51] <kaemo> it look like i had to different dpi settings for lxde apps
[12:51] <kaemo> s/had/have
[12:51] <kaemo> two*
[12:51] <kaemo> argh
[12:57] <kaemo> first things first - how can i make my lubuntu dekstop automaically encryptfs-mount-private when logging into lxde?
[12:58] <bioterror> dunno
[12:58] <bioterror> never needed
[14:41] <kosaidpo> hello guys anyone can give me the path to the menu icon please
[14:56] <szczur> /usr/share/lxde/images/lxde-icon.png ?
[14:58] <bioterror> kossaidpo is making his own rmx?-)
[14:58] <szczur> :P
[14:58] <szczur> kosbuntu :)
[14:59] <kosaidpo> szczur: no such file :p
[14:59] <szczur> hmmm
[14:59] <kosaidpo> bioterror: no im not haha i tho abt use that pack of icone of the mx lubuntu looks pretty neat tho
[15:01] <szczur> what do you have in that folder?
[15:02] <kosaidpo> szczur: it doesnt exist hihihih
[15:02] <szczur> O_o
[15:02] <kosaidpo> well can you please just go to menu icon then click right and past to me the path
[15:02] <szczur> ahh, i;m not using pure lubuntu
[15:02] <szczur> right
[15:02] <szczur> sorry
[15:02] <kosaidpo> szczur: ooh okies
[15:03] <kosaidpo> thanks tho
[15:04] <szczur> /usr/share/lubuntu/images/lubuntu-logo.png
[15:04] <szczur> try this
[15:05] <kosaidpo> found it szczur
[15:05] <kosaidpo> i guess its the same
[15:05] <kosaidpo> not sure
[15:05] <kosaidpo> /usr/share/icons/lubuntu/places/128/start-here.svg
[15:05] <kosaidpo> ill check urs
[15:06] <kosaidpo> szczur: same
[15:06] <szczur> ok, now i can remove these packages :P
[15:06] <szczur> xD
[15:06] <kosaidpo> szczur: :-D
[15:24] <leszek> hi
[20:08] <Kurdistan> hey guys
[20:08] <Kurdistan> finally here
[20:08] <Kurdistan> guys are the lubuntu 10.10 updated?
[20:30] <kristian-aalborg> also. if I may suggest a link to the previous releases somewhere?
[20:30] <Kurdistan> kristian aalborg have you take any look to lubuntu.net?
[20:31] <Kurdistan> you have lubuntu 10.04 there.
[20:31] <Kurdistan> http://lubuntu.net/blog/lubuntu-1004-now-available-download
[21:14] <mark76> Hey. I tried to log into LXDE/Lubuntu and got an XSessions error of too many arguments
[21:26] <kristian-aalborg> mark76: it's unlikely that I can help
[21:26] <kristian-aalborg> but, if you're more specific the better thinkers have a better chance ;)
[21:27] <kristian-aalborg> was this on an installation or a live medium?
[21:27] <mark76> Installed
[21:31] <lithpr> mark76, are you using spaces in your password?
[21:31] <mark76> Nope
[21:32] <kosaidpo> hello guys
[21:33] <kosaidpo> im lookin for a php debugger any idea guys
[21:33] <lithpr> probably not the best channel to ask that question in :)
[21:34] <phillw> kosaidpo: try #php, they're really nice people (it mat be ##php)
[21:35] <phillw> /s/mat/may
[21:35] <kosaidpo> phillw: it doesnt work it take me to #overflow
[21:37] <phillw> kosaidpo: /join ##php
[21:37] <kosaidpo> yeh it takes me to ##overflow
[21:37] <kosaidpo> try it out phillw
[21:38] <phillw> kosaidpo: (16/11/10 21:36:14) ChanServ: (notice) [##php] Welcome to ##PHP. Please read the guidelines.
[21:39] <phillw> kosaidpo: but I always use /join #php ;)
[21:39] <kosaidpo> phillw: its #PHP i guess
[21:39] <kosaidpo> phillw: they said it needs an invitation
[21:39] <phillw> no, it is in lower case, not capitals.
[21:40] <kosaidpo> phillw: so weird i cant get there
[21:40] <kosaidpo> you gere phillw
[21:40] <kosaidpo> phillw:  you there at ##php ?
[21:40] <phillw> kosaidpo: give me a few minutes and I'll have chat with that team. As you know I work accross teams.
[21:41] <phillw> kosaidpo: I logged on and then logged off.
[21:41] <kosaidpo> phillw: okay thaks
[23:19] <kristian-aalborg> damn
[23:20] <kristian-aalborg> how do I hide/disable non-working lxdm sessions?!