| ibeardslee | crossing fingers I may have throttled HP enough to do 'the right thing' | 01:36 |
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| ojwb | knock 0.31$ off the price? | 01:43 |
| ojwb | or add it to the windows ones more likely! | 01:43 |
| ibeardslee | actually being able to point to a windows laptop saying I want that with freedos and knowing that it'll be $x less than the windows price | 01:44 |
| ajmitch | HP are such strong supporters of open source in some areas, and seemingly quite against it in others | 01:45 |
| ibeardslee | currently waiting to discover if it is just the 'business' range, how much 'x' will be and if I have spoken too soon | 01:45 |
| ibeardslee | ajmitch: as it was explained to me that NZ is just a small market | 01:47 |
| ajmitch | and the number of people who'd want a non-standard install is a tiny fraction of a small market? | 01:48 |
| ibeardslee | peronally I don't accept that .. well I accept that we are a small market, but in the whole interweb thing .. it's a global market | 01:48 |
| ibeardslee | if something is available in the US, there should minimal reasons for restricting them to that market | 01:49 |
| ajmitch | right, but global market doesn't mean that they can ignore that they are shipping physical products | 01:49 |
| ajmitch | it'd be more of an internal company issue, that they probably have a different section of the company dealing with asia-pacific | 01:50 |
| ibeardslee | eg why can't we have this here .. http://icanhaz.com/hp-8540w | 01:50 |
| ibeardslee | ajmitch: it probably costs the same to ship from the US as it does from where ever in asia the build the machines that end up in nz | 01:51 |
| lifeless | ibeardslee: so the limits are support, marketing material, warehousing, presales knowledge | 02:25 |
| lifeless | ibeardslee: dell are the same, eu and us they'll sell with Ubuntu, but its rare elsewhere. | 02:26 |
| ibeardslee | limits with support .. meh, all HP support goes via somewhere else anyway | 02:26 |
| ibeardslee | marketing material .. meh, the marketing will be coming from the OSS communities when people ask where they can get laptops without Windows | 02:27 |
| ibeardslee | presales knowledge .. meh .. see above | 02:28 |
| lifeless | ibeardslee: thats your opinion; the suits opinion is what matters. | 02:29 |
| ibeardslee | sure it's my opinion. but my opinion of what the community may be able to do is better than what a suit thinks is reasonable. | 02:32 |
| ibeardslee | there is much too much "but the suits opinions" etc going on | 02:33 |
| ibeardslee | if we let the suits opinions manage what we can do, we'd all be running windows with iPhones and the OSS industry/community wouldn't exist | 02:34 |
| ojwb | ibeardslee: Bdale Garbee is a DD and works for HP - might be worth talking to him if you get stuck | 02:40 |
| ojwb | apparently it's their policy to make sure stuff things work under Linux, though I'm not sure how official that is | 02:41 |
| ajmitch | he's the linux CTO at HP | 02:41 |
| * ojwb didn't know that, but I knew he was fairly senior | 02:41 | |
| ajmitch | I believe HP even had some netbook with an ubuntu derivative, and a custom HP UI | 02:42 |
| ibeardslee | ojwb: from my experience this issue is not getting HP gear working with Linux, but more the ease of getting it without the Legacy OS in the first place. | 02:44 |
| ojwb | sure, I'm just saying that there is at least some internal pro-linux-ness | 02:44 |
| ibeardslee | with them supporting LCA, there is bound to be | 02:45 |
| ibeardslee | with them supporting LCA, yes there is | 02:45 |
| ojwb | true | 02:45 |
| ajmitch | & sponsoring a number of debian machines | 02:46 |
| ibeardslee | but that seems to be the server end .. I'm working from workstation, end user end | 02:46 |
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| ibeardslee | morning | 18:43 |
| Atamira | mornin | 18:51 |
| ibeardslee | so it seems the suits saw the light | 18:54 |
| ibeardslee | We/HP can offer you a FreeDOS version of any 'commercial' | 18:55 |
| ibeardslee | Windows desktop or notebook on our website. | 18:55 |
| ibeardslee | The saving would be $200 off the list price of a Windows 7 | 18:55 |
| ibeardslee | Professional SKU | 18:55 |
| Atamira | yay ? | 18:55 |
| ibeardslee | This option would not be available on Consumer items because | 18:55 |
| ibeardslee | these products are not configurable using the CTO tool | 18:55 |
| ibeardslee | That's where 'We' = Ascent | 18:56 |
| ibeardslee | I believe that deal should alos be available through other resellers/retailers | 18:56 |
| ibeardslee | Atamira: Yes, that is a 'yay' :) | 18:57 |
| Atamira | yay ! | 18:57 |
| Atamira | tho hp..mrrr | 18:57 |
| ibeardslee | I'm going to be asking if HP can do a press release (in conjunction with Ascent? and NZOSS) about this. | 18:59 |
| Atamira | if its good publicity for you | 19:00 |
| Atamira | why not | 19:00 |
| Atamira | my company does all its PC stuff through Dell | 19:01 |
| * ibeardslee doesn't work for Ascent or HP | 19:01 | |
| Atamira | then who is ascent? | 19:01 |
| ibeardslee | I had bought Dell at a previous job, but after massive fail on their part I just won't go there again | 19:02 |
| ibeardslee | http://www.ascent.co.nz/ | 19:02 |
| ibeardslee | they've been the poor people stuck between HP and a raving fanatic | 19:03 |
| Atamira | ahh | 19:04 |
| Atamira | probably why i hadnt heard of them before | 19:04 |
| ajmitch | morning | 19:25 |
| ajmitch | ascent are reasonably well known as an online retailer | 19:25 |
| ajmitch | they've generally been pretty decent over the years | 19:26 |
| Atamira | do they carter to the general public or mainly to commercial owners? | 20:10 |
| Atamira | sorry..commercial users | 20:10 |
| ajmitch | general public | 20:11 |
| ibeardslee | yeah, we don't even get a discout through them | 20:11 |
| Atamira | do they have a store in auckland? | 20:20 |
| Atamira | i have 4 local pc places | 20:20 |
| thumper | morning | 20:22 |
| ajmitch | they appear to have only a wellington store, coincidentally in catalyst house | 20:22 |
| ajmitch | & they don't hold stock there, it's pretty much just an online business | 20:23 |
| mwhudson | morning | 20:28 |
| Atamira | nite all | 20:32 |
| Atamira | i love working graveyard shifts | 20:32 |
| karora | chilts: Just signing up for AppsDNS and found it odd that the 'sign up' buttons on the front page weren't links. | 20:39 |
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