[01:36] crossing fingers I may have throttled HP enough to do 'the right thing' [01:43] knock 0.31$ off the price? [01:43] or add it to the windows ones more likely! [01:44] actually being able to point to a windows laptop saying I want that with freedos and knowing that it'll be $x less than the windows price [01:45] HP are such strong supporters of open source in some areas, and seemingly quite against it in others [01:45] currently waiting to discover if it is just the 'business' range, how much 'x' will be and if I have spoken too soon [01:47] ajmitch: as it was explained to me that NZ is just a small market [01:48] and the number of people who'd want a non-standard install is a tiny fraction of a small market? [01:48] peronally I don't accept that .. well I accept that we are a small market, but in the whole interweb thing .. it's a global market [01:49] if something is available in the US, there should minimal reasons for restricting them to that market [01:49] right, but global market doesn't mean that they can ignore that they are shipping physical products [01:50] it'd be more of an internal company issue, that they probably have a different section of the company dealing with asia-pacific [01:50] eg why can't we have this here .. http://icanhaz.com/hp-8540w [01:51] ajmitch: it probably costs the same to ship from the US as it does from where ever in asia the build the machines that end up in nz [02:25] ibeardslee: so the limits are support, marketing material, warehousing, presales knowledge [02:26] ibeardslee: dell are the same, eu and us they'll sell with Ubuntu, but its rare elsewhere. [02:26] limits with support .. meh, all HP support goes via somewhere else anyway [02:27] marketing material .. meh, the marketing will be coming from the OSS communities when people ask where they can get laptops without Windows [02:28] presales knowledge .. meh .. see above [02:29] ibeardslee: thats your opinion; the suits opinion is what matters. [02:32] sure it's my opinion. but my opinion of what the community may be able to do is better than what a suit thinks is reasonable. [02:33] there is much too much "but the suits opinions" etc going on [02:34] if we let the suits opinions manage what we can do, we'd all be running windows with iPhones and the OSS industry/community wouldn't exist [02:40] ibeardslee: Bdale Garbee is a DD and works for HP - might be worth talking to him if you get stuck [02:41] apparently it's their policy to make sure stuff things work under Linux, though I'm not sure how official that is [02:41] he's the linux CTO at HP [02:41] * ojwb didn't know that, but I knew he was fairly senior [02:42] I believe HP even had some netbook with an ubuntu derivative, and a custom HP UI [02:44] ojwb: from my experience this issue is not getting HP gear working with Linux, but more the ease of getting it without the Legacy OS in the first place. [02:44] sure, I'm just saying that there is at least some internal pro-linux-ness [02:45] with them supporting LCA, there is bound to be [02:45] with them supporting LCA, yes there is [02:45] true [02:46] & sponsoring a number of debian machines [02:46] but that seems to be the server end .. I'm working from workstation, end user end === You're now known as ubuntulog === You're now known as ubuntulog_ === You're now known as ubuntulog [18:43] morning [18:51] mornin [18:54] so it seems the suits saw the light [18:55] We/HP can offer you a FreeDOS version of any 'commercial' [18:55] Windows desktop or notebook on our website. [18:55] The saving would be $200 off the list price of a Windows 7 [18:55] Professional SKU [18:55] yay ? [18:55] This option would not be available on Consumer items because [18:55] these products are not configurable using the CTO tool [18:56] That's where 'We' = Ascent [18:56] I believe that deal should alos be available through other resellers/retailers [18:57] Atamira: Yes, that is a 'yay' :) [18:57] yay ! [18:57] tho hp..mrrr [18:59] I'm going to be asking if HP can do a press release (in conjunction with Ascent? and NZOSS) about this. [19:00] if its good publicity for you [19:00] why not [19:01] my company does all its PC stuff through Dell [19:01] * ibeardslee doesn't work for Ascent or HP [19:01] then who is ascent? [19:02] I had bought Dell at a previous job, but after massive fail on their part I just won't go there again [19:02] http://www.ascent.co.nz/ [19:03] they've been the poor people stuck between HP and a raving fanatic [19:04] ahh [19:04] probably why i hadnt heard of them before [19:25] morning [19:25] ascent are reasonably well known as an online retailer [19:26] they've generally been pretty decent over the years [20:10] do they carter to the general public or mainly to commercial owners? [20:10] sorry..commercial users [20:11] general public [20:11] yeah, we don't even get a discout through them [20:20] do they have a store in auckland? [20:20] i have 4 local pc places [20:22] morning [20:22] they appear to have only a wellington store, coincidentally in catalyst house [20:23] & they don't hold stock there, it's pretty much just an online business [20:28] morning [20:32] nite all [20:32] i love working graveyard shifts [20:39] chilts: Just signing up for AppsDNS and found it odd that the 'sign up' buttons on the front page weren't links.