[00:28] <delimiter> Hi, can someone explain the benefit of running the kernel 'linux-virtual' inside a kvm guest, if any?
[00:30] <kiall> delimiter, I dont have any specifics - but I would imagine that the -virt kernel is lighter in that it doesnt contain hardware drivers for every piece of kit ubuntu supports, only those typically used in kvm/xen/esx etc
[00:32] <cvance> I have an ubuntu server setup and I installed drupal via apt-get. It installed fine, but to www.domain.com/drupal6. I would like it installed to the root of www.domain.com, how can I change the configuration?
[00:44] <SpamapS> cvance: you will need to modify the apache configs to do that.
[00:45] <SpamapS> cvance: if you don't want to run anything else on your site, the simplest way is to change DocumentRoot to the location where drupal is installed.
[00:48] <smoser> SpamapS, if you're bored (or if anyone is), you could review https://code.launchpad.net/~awstools-dev/+junk/iamcli . i'm wanting to get that into archive (bug 675686)
[00:53] <cvance> SpamapS that sounds like a good idea. Could I symlink the /var/www directory to point to the /usr/share/drupal6 directory?
[00:57] <zul> hallyn: now i am
[01:03] <hallyn> zul: sorry - nm, i was going to ask a q about sru's
[01:04] <hallyn> zul: oh, well, i still have a q about sru's:
[01:04] <zul> hallyn: sure
[01:04] <hallyn> how come we stopped doing sru nominations at server mtgs?
[01:04] <hallyn> were we only doing those during lucid+1 cycle bc there were so many (lucid being fresh)?
[01:04] <zul> because no one was bringing anything up
[01:05] <zul> and we have such a huge freaking backlog
[01:05] <hallyn> yeah
[01:05] <hallyn> that's how i feel about qemu :)
[01:06] <zul> heh..
[01:29] <SpamapS> smoser: looking now
[01:31] <hallyn> jdstrand: i built the natty kvm for maverick and installed it here, and got the same result.  interesting.  lemme try the daily build
[01:37] <SpamapS> smoser: not really sure how that rules file works with no .install or anything else files. ???
[01:54] <SpamapS> hrm.. anybody else using squid-deb-proxy on maverick? In addition to bug 666014 it just doesn't even seem to be starting the main squid-deb-proxy service
[01:58] <twb> I use debmirror
[01:59] <twb> Ew, a native package
[02:01] <twb> Where's the to_ubuntu_mirrors  ACL defined?  I can't see it in the source package.
[02:02] <SpamapS> acl to_ubuntu_mirrors dstdomain "/etc/squid-deb-proxy/mirror-dstdomain.acl"
[02:02] <SpamapS> http_access deny !to_ubuntu_mirrors
[02:02] <twb> Oh, sorry, I can't read
[02:02] <SpamapS> ;)
[02:02] <SpamapS> I'm just trying to figure out why it didn't get started on boot
[02:03] <SpamapS> upstart.. please tell me what you're doing.. thanks... mmmmkay
[02:03] <twb> Good luck debugging upstart
[02:04] <SpamapS> its my new crusade
[02:04] <twb> AFAICT it doesn't actually provide any useful debugging techniques
[02:04] <SpamapS> It does, they're just not well documented.
[02:04] <twb> The best they can tell you is to put "set -x" in the script begin, and the boot with --debug
[02:04] <SpamapS> or rather, not well publicized. :)
[02:04] <twb> And "console owner", of course.
[02:04] <SpamapS> no, thats nasty
[02:05] <SpamapS> cjwatson is working on having plymouth spit out upstart's dbus messages to make it easier to find these things though. :)
[02:05] <twb> Admittedly, most of the problems I had last time were with mountall (which is kinda-but-not upstart) and plymouth hijacking the vga console even when booting without "splash"
[02:05]  * SpamapS reboots and curses himself for not having a maverick VM ready.
[02:06] <SpamapS> whoa. .I'd reboot but I don't have a power button on my panel
[02:06] <twb> Does grep http_port /etc/squid-deb-proxy/squid-deb-proxy.conf|cut -d' ' -f2 succeed?
[02:07] <SpamapS> twb: yes, 8000
[02:07] <twb> And the start condition (started squid-deb-proxy and started avahi-daemon) is definitely met?
[02:11] <SpamapS> no, squid-deb-proxy isn't starting
[02:11] <SpamapS> runlevel [2345] should totally be met
[02:12] <twb> Oh, sorry, I misread your original post
[02:12] <SpamapS> Nov 15 18:10:29 clint-MacBookPro init: squid-deb-proxy main process (1205) terminated with status 1
[02:12] <SpamapS> ahh
[02:12] <SpamapS> well wife and baby are home so... bbl
[02:13] <twb> Poor sod.
[02:21] <twb> In d-i partman, how do I install to a RAID1 of *one* node?
[02:21] <twb> Ah, looks like I tell the GUI "-n 2 /dev/sda", which is extremely counter-intuitive.
[02:22] <twb> (Trying to tell it -n 1 just causes it to return to the same prompt without any error or hint as to what is wrong.)
[02:24] <SpamapS> FATAL: ipcache_init: DNS name lookup tests failed.
[02:24] <SpamapS> hrm
[02:27] <SpamapS> ok.. so this is another bug
[02:27] <SpamapS> squid needs the network up
[02:27] <SpamapS> or more accurately, squid-deb-proxy needs it up
[02:27] <SpamapS> since I think the main squid starts with -D
[02:30] <SpamapS> nope.. squid.conf does (local-filesystems and net-device-up IFACE=!lo)
[02:30] <SpamapS> which, I think we should have an event triggered at that point called "(ready-to-serve)"
[02:30] <SpamapS> start on ready-to-serve reads so nicely
[03:03] <twb> OK, so get this
[03:03] <twb> If you do a tasks=standard install and configure raid, it causes postfix to be installed
[03:03] <twb> I think it is taking recommends a bit far for an MTA to be pulled in by configuring software RAID.
[03:07] <ScottK> This has been discussed pretty far before.
[03:08] <ScottK> The rough consensus was that on servers people want to be notified about RAID failures more often than they don't.
[03:09] <twb> I agree that there isn't an obviously superior decision to make
[03:10] <twb> I'm just a bit grumpy
[03:10] <ScottK> In any case, right or wrong, it's not by accident.
[03:10] <twb> Mainly because I'm doing two installs in parallel for an RAIDed AoE, and only the "master" host knows about the RAID at install time, so only it got postfix.
[03:10] <ScottK> It's a little stranger in the desktop RAID case.
[03:11] <ScottK> Will the other one know to complain if it dies later?
[03:11] <arrrghhh> cron seems to need postfix as well.  awesome.
[03:11] <twb> ScottK: the other one is just exporting a disk over AoE, which the master host happens to use as a RAID node
[03:12] <ScottK> arrrghhh: cron suggests an MTA.  That won't pull it in automatically.
[03:12] <ScottK> I see.
[03:12] <twb> This is an... unconventional setup :P
[03:12] <arrrghhh> i seem to be having issues with it.. i don't have postfix installed, and i get errors in my syslog that cron can't send mail.  i should probably fix it.
[03:13] <ScottK> arrrghhh: cron does like to send mail, so you probably should.  trivial enough to do.
[03:13] <arrrghhh> i don't need it to send mail outside
[03:13] <ScottK> Either you can then teach cron to be less verbose or learn something you ought to know about the system.
[03:13] <twb> I *do* like that d-i is smart enough to install sshd if I use the network-console udeb, and smart enough to use serial if I do the install over serial.
[03:13] <arrrghhh> how would i do that anyway?  point it to a pop3 smtp provider?
[03:14] <arrrghhh> i ought to know about postfix...?
[03:14] <ScottK> I mostly run mail servers, so it's not a problem.
[03:14] <arrrghhh> i have no need for a mail server.
[03:14] <ScottK> You can configure it for local delivery.
[03:14] <twb> arrrghhh: if you're a sysadmin, you SHOULD learn at least one MTA.
[03:14] <arrrghhh> everyone has different needs.
[03:14] <arrrghhh> hrm.
[03:14] <arrrghhh> pretty sure my provider wouldn't appreciate that traffic anyways...
[03:14] <twb> In the same way that any unix sysadmin should know how to use vi, even if they normally use vim or emacs.
[03:15]  * arrrghhh sucks and uses nano.
[03:15] <twb> ScottK: OK, I tell a lie.  It seems that the non-RAID host is configuring postfix, just later in the d-i process.  Dunno what pulled it in.
[03:15] <arrrghhh> guess i'm not a unix sysadmin, but that's why i use ubuntu i guess...
[03:16] <twb> arrrghhh: sooner or later you'll run into a system that only has vi -- maybe it'll be a busybox rescue shell on ubuntu, even.
[03:16] <twb> arrrghhh: at that point, it's better if you already know how to use vi :-)
[03:17] <arrrghhh> i've tried.  many times.  just can't get the hang of it.
[03:18] <arrrghhh> i'm sure it'd be one of those things if i do learn it, i'll get fast with it... but i just can't force myself to use it when nano is so simple lol
[03:30] <twb> For me, nano is an automatic fail because it defaults to auto-wrapping
[03:31] <arrrghhh> erm i didn't think it did on any of my ubuntu installs...
[03:34] <arrrghhh> doesn't wrap lines for me.
[03:34] <arrrghhh> puts a little $ at the end of the line if it goes off the window
[03:35] <arrrghhh> maybe that's just how ubuntu is configured?  i've never changed any settings with nano.
[03:37] <mattcen> Hi all. Is there any distinct location that says which packages are supported for the 5 years Server LTS?
[03:45] <arrrghhh> well i would assume anything in the repo's mattcen...
[03:45] <arrrghhh> anything that you install 3rd party... who knows.
[03:46] <twb> Good GRIEF.  grub-extras allows you to insmod lua support IN YOUR BOOTLOADER.
[03:47] <mattcen> arrrghhh: I don't believe that's correct. I believe you can't assume that 5 year support for everything in the 'main' repo for example; otherwise, every package would have 5 year server support, and nothing would have 3 year desktop support.
[03:48] <arrrghhh> mattcen, well the base server install will be supported at the very least :P
[03:48] <arrrghhh> i think they mean security updates
[03:48] <arrrghhh> patches, etc.
[03:48] <arrrghhh> doesn't apply to packages now that i think about it.
[03:49] <twb> !ubuntu-maintenance-check
[03:49] <twb> parent_location = http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Enijaba/ubuntu-maintenance-check/trunk/
[03:49] <twb> That's the only way I *know* of, but I thought I once saw the support EOL for individual packages listed in an aptitude GUI
[03:51] <mattcen> There's some hand-wavy info at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Server/TechSpecs/1004LTS, but that's not particularly comprehensice
[03:51] <mattcen> s/comprehensice/comprehensive/
[03:52] <arrrghhh> lol looks empty
[03:52] <arrrghhh> oh
[03:52] <arrrghhh> linked the comma in d'oh
[04:20] <twister004> hi guys.. I have smokeping running on my ubuntuserver... the web server is apache... about 2 days back, the web gui for smokeping stopped working... the process is still running, but I'm not able to access the gui for smokeping...
[04:21] <twister004> please advise what could be the possible cause
[04:21] <twister004> thanks in advance
[04:21] <arrrghhh> didja try restarting the service?
[04:22] <twister004> arrrghhh... yes I did
[04:22] <twister004> it didn't work
[04:22] <arrrghhh> do other pages load on the apache server...?
[04:22] <twister004> it has something to do with the web service.. I also have nagios.. and it isn't workin either
[04:23] <arrrghhh> restart apache?
[04:23] <twister004> arrrghhh...some pages load.. I have a mediawiki.. that's working..
[04:23] <twister004> gulp... production env
[04:23] <arrrghhh> lol
[04:23] <arrrghhh> maintenance hours?
[04:23] <twister004> nop
[04:23] <arrrghhh> hrm
[04:23] <arrrghhh> i use smokeping with zenoss
[04:23] <arrrghhh> never used it by itself...
[04:24] <arrrghhh> and we use nagios, but i don't manage that box at work :P
[04:24] <arrrghhh> hrm but the wiki is working
[04:24] <arrrghhh> so it is unlikely that apache is the problem... but odd that both nagios and smokeping aren't working.
[04:24] <twister004> i dont understand what went wrong in apache... the logs show the following warning: [error] an unknown filter was not added: PHP
[04:25] <twister004> arrrghhh.. you think this could be the cause?
[04:26] <arrrghhh> perhaps, but i have no clue what it means unfortunately...
[04:26] <arrrghhh> does anything php work?
[04:26] <arrrghhh> maybe that's the problem.
[04:26] <arrrghhh> any updates recently?
[04:27] <twister004> arrrghhh.. no updates were installed recently... how can i check if php is misbehaving?
[04:27] <arrrghhh> well there's the php test page
[04:28] <arrrghhh> when you first install it...
[04:28] <twister004> arrrghhh.. where's the test page?.. how can I load it?
[04:28] <twister004> it was installed many years back
[04:29] <arrrghhh> i'd have to google it tbh
[04:32] <twister004> arrrghhh.. could you direct me on some php stuff?.. Im new to this
[04:42] <blackshirt> hello
[04:51] <homecable> any one have problems booting a grsec kernel on 10.10 ?
[04:51] <blackshirt> homecable: i don't have experience with grsec kernel
[06:00] <Error404NotFound> anyone awake here?
[06:24] <ChmEarl> on lucid I have a custom kernel and uname -m returns x86_64. It needs to say amd64. Can I config a fix for that?
[06:29] <joschi> ChmEarl: x86_64 and amd64 are equivalent. you kernel is fine
[06:30] <ChmEarl> joschi, the virtualusr script dies if arch returns x86_64 instead of amd64
[06:30] <ChmEarl> joschi, might have a workaround cooked up
[06:46] <twb> uname -m returns "x86_64" on ALL debian/ubuntu kernels
[06:46] <twb> That is not a bug.
[06:47] <twb> Obviously your script is broken
[07:23] <qman__> mine returns i686
[07:23] <qman__> but I am running karmic
[07:24] <qman__> oh, nevermind, I thought it was an actual arch problem
[07:26] <twb> qman__: obviously that's because you're not on an x86_64 cpu (or are running in x86-emulation mode)
[07:29] <qman__> yeah, I just misunderstood the "problem", been awake too long ;)
[09:30] <Zeu5> hi there , i am using LAMP inside ubuntu server. i am not sure but i can run this http://thecopyninja.com/info.php but i cannot run this http://www.thecopyninja.com/php/P06upcomingentrepreneur/index.php please advise?
[09:33] <joschi> Zeu5: ask the developers of the php script in question. and well, obviously the file can't be found
[09:34] <Zeu5> joschi: i wrote teh script myself. i placed it in the subfolders php > P06UpcomingEntrepreneur.
[09:34] <joschi> Zeu5: you're already getting help in #httpd
[09:34] <Zeu5> joschi: yup. thanks :)
[09:35] <Zeu5> was concerned at first that its due to the way i configured my server. thank you
[09:38] <ikonia>              lp;
[09:38] <ikonia> oops
[09:38] <ikonia> cat on laptop, sorry
[09:58] <lieuwe> the sensors command gives all kind of weird min/max values, anyone here any idea what could be the cause? since min +0.08v and max +0.06v seems unlikely
[11:09] <twb> In mdadm, how do you add a "best effort" mirror to an existing RAID1 array?
[11:10] <twb> That is, I want to tell it that /dev/sdz should be kept in sync with md0 (/dev/sd[ab]), but if it can't keep up, not to slow down /dev/sd[ab] on its account
[11:10] <twb> Ah, --write-behind
[12:28] <BuenGenio> hello
[12:28] <BuenGenio> how come there are more SpamAssassin rules in Mandriva that Ubuntu? :-P
[12:40] <twb> Because somebody changed something?
[13:28] <eriksson25> Hi, Anyone know the comand for setting a users home folder. I have created a user test. And he shuld have home folder /hdd/users/test but when I log in with ssh with test it cant find the home folder and points to root
[13:31] <alvin> eriksson25: usermod -d <username> Better read the manual of usermod first
[13:36] <eriksson25> thx
[13:38] <zul> Daviey: did you have a look at the bzr branch?
[13:52] <kirkland> hallyn: hey
[13:52] <kirkland> hallyn: you should use your ubuntu.com email address in changelogs
[13:52] <kirkland> hallyn: I export DEBEMAIL="kirkland@ubuntu.com" in my .bashrc
[13:55] <consumerism> how do i set a permanent hostname on ubuntu? i did hostname myhost and changed /etc/hosts, but the hostname is reset on reboot.
[13:55] <patdk-wk> you never edited /etc/hostname?
[13:56] <consumerism> patdk-wk: that file doesn't exist on my system
[13:57] <consumerism> should it contain just the hostname i want? any special format?
[13:57] <kirkland> hallyn: wow, first time i've noticed
[13:57] <kirkland> hallyn: you always sign your changes with @canonical.com
[13:57] <kirkland> hallyn: anyway, we're supposed to use @ubuntu.com for signing changelogs
[14:04] <hallyn> kirkland: funny, there was something on the wiki about using canonical.com to give canonical credit for it beign done on its dime
[14:05] <hallyn> kirkland: i'm fine either way.
[14:05] <kirkland> hallyn: really ...
[14:05] <hallyn> yeah, when i first joined up
[14:05] <kirkland> hallyn: okay, well, i don't care
[14:05] <hallyn> kirkland: well, if i'm doing it wrong, then i do :)
[14:06] <kirkland> hallyn: any chance you can find that wiki page again?
[14:06] <hallyn> will try
[14:11] <soren> hallyn: Unless it changed, you're supposed to use @ubuntu.com in debian/changelog and @canonical.com virtually everywhere else.
[14:11] <soren> hallyn: AFAIR, at least.. debian/changelog certainly were an exception to the general rule. I'm not 100% sure it was the only exception.
[14:11] <soren> s/were/was/ grammar fail.
[14:12] <soren> Weird.
[14:13] <BuenGenio> anyone know where are update sources stored for SpamAssassin ?
[14:34] <jdstrand> hallyn: thanks for the qemu-kvm fix :)
[14:34] <jdstrand> fwiw, I still use @ubuntu.com for platform work...
[14:35] <jdstrand> but I hardly keep up with the changing new hire wiki stuff
[14:43] <hallyn> jdstrand: thanks, i'm switching
[15:17] <hallyn> kirkland: we should talk sometime about how to offer the 0.13.0 to debian.  (not now, we have a few bugs to shake out :)
[15:18] <kirkland> hallyn: ack
[15:37] <smoser> SpamapS, regarding the simple rules file. dh makes magic happen if you have a very simple package with a 'make install'
[15:39] <jdstrand> hallyn: qemu-kvm ftbfs on i386 and armel, which makes qemu-kvm on amd64 uninstallable because qemu-common isn't built :(
[15:40] <smoser> zul, could i get you to review and possibly sponsor at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/675686
[15:40] <zul> smoser: muhahha....muhahaha...sure :)
[15:41] <zul> smoser: can i park it until this afternoon?
[15:41] <smoser> absolutely not. i need it NOW!
[15:41] <smoser> or, wait, thats right, i'm asking you a favor
[15:41] <smoser> sure
[15:44] <zul> smoser: :P
[15:52] <AndyGraybeal> when sharing usb device inside KVM, does this work?  I'm wondering because I think it isn't working for me.  Do i need to disable accessing the device from linux?  so the device can be access only by the virtual machine?
[15:56] <zul> hggdh: where is the latet uec preseed stuff?
[15:59] <hggdh> zul: let me get the link
[15:59] <hggdh> zul: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~uec-testing-scripts-dev/uec-testing-scripts/preseeds/changes
[16:00] <SpamapS> smoser: I guess I didn't see the Makefile in there doh
[16:00] <zul> hggdh: thanks..mind if i start on a natty one
[16:00] <smoser> SpamapS, its patched in
[16:00] <hggdh> zul: not at all...
[16:01] <smoser> quilt 3.0 format extracts and applies patches
[16:01] <smoser> although i might have that wrong... ie, i think the commited code should have that, shouldn't it.
[16:01] <zul> hggdh: cool thanks
[16:01] <smoser> i'm kind of fuzzy on that.
[16:02] <SpamapS> smoser: right, I didn't read the patches. Makes sense.
[16:02] <smoser> so do you know, should i check the code in with patches applied ?
[16:03] <SpamapS> smoser: I tend to just use .install files instead of patching in a Makefile .. but if there's a build step too.. then you kind of need a Makefile to get it right.. but then I wonder why its not in the orig source
[16:03] <smoser> SpamapS, cause there really is no build step.
[16:04] <smoser> i just find a general 'make install' to be more useful than debian/rules install
[16:05] <SpamapS> smoser: the install file would be a much clearer way to do it though, if all you're doing is copying files around
[16:06] <smoser> well, its not only copying files. but i would still sort of disagree.
[16:06] <smoser> 'make install DESTDIR=' is quite standard and expected.
[16:06] <smoser> so i just added one that does that.
[16:07] <kiall> smoser, you seem to know a thing or two about UEC ;) .. Neither my UEC instances, nor the euca community cloud instances can ping their own public IPs .. do you know if thats a bug? or bad config? or intended?
[16:07] <smoser> oh. kiall its user error ;-)
[16:08] <smoser> most likely
[16:08] <smoser> security groups
[16:09] <kiall> I'm not sure it is to be honest, I can ping the public IPs of other instances in the same security group, just not that one.. (in case you didnt get what I meant - Running a ping command on Instance X, aimed at Instance X's public IP fails)
[16:10] <smoser> well, i dont know what that should do to be honest
[16:10] <smoser> it seems inconsistent with other results
[16:11] <smoser> i would suspect its a bug, at least worth opening one.
[16:11] <kiall> it certainly works on EC2, and would require hairpin NAT on the CC to work ... which half works at the mo (ping another instances public IP, and you geta  reply from the private IP)
[16:13] <mvo> hi, quick question - is vm-builder no longer maintained and if not, what is the new way to create a minimal kvm/qemu image (I need this for my automatic upgrade tester).
[16:14] <jdstrand> mvo: it hasn't received as much love as it should... can it not create a natty vm?
[16:14] <jdstrand> mvo: fyi, I still use it, but haven't tried a natty vm yet. if it doesn't work, I'll update it
[16:15] <mvo> jdstrand: it tells me it can not create a maverick VM - that is a bit of a blow to me
[16:15] <mvo> jdstrand: I use it too and I love it
[16:15] <jdstrand> really... interesting
[16:15] <jdstrand> let me look at it
[16:16] <mvo> jdstrand: thanks, its enough that you verify that I'm not blind (or stupid) - I can fix it myself and I'm happy to do a SRU if its really not working
[16:16] <jdstrand> mvo: I can confirm
[16:16] <mvo> jdstrand: dang, thanks
[16:16] <mvo> jdstrand: I test a fix now
[16:16] <mvo> crazy!
[16:17] <jdstrand> mvo: if you file a bug, I can get it fixed in natty. you can pursue an SRU if desired
[16:17] <ScottK> Perhaps it just means you're supposed to be working on Natty and not Maverick now.
[16:17] <jdstrand> heh
[16:18] <mvo> jdstrand: don't worry, I take care of this one :) but it would be really good if it would get a bit more love  in the future (/me looks at soren)
[16:18] <mvo> ScottK: heh :) it needs to create maverick chroots to test maverick -> natty upgrades
[16:19] <ScottK> mvo: I know, but it was funnier my way.
[16:19] <jdstrand> mvo: ok, thanks
[16:19] <mvo> ScottK: that is true :)
[16:19] <jdstrand> mvo: can you also update it for natty?
[16:19] <jdstrand> mvo: meaning, create natty VMs as well as maverick?
[16:19] <mvo> smoser: are you using vm-builder for the ec2 images? or do you have a different tool?
[16:20] <mvo> jdstrand: in the sru ? or for natty? (or both ;) ?
[16:20] <smoser> vm-builder slightly branched https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-virt/vmbuilder/0.11
[16:20] <smoser> (and old)
[16:20] <jdstrand> mvo: for natty definitely, but I think for SRU would be great. it is one of those things like debootstrap...
[16:20] <maxagaz> hi
[16:20] <mvo> jdstrand: ok
[16:21] <maxagaz> how to untar.gz all files of a drawer at once ?
[16:21] <jdstrand> in fact, istr it being on one of the ReleaseCycle lists...
[16:33] <mvo> soren: if you add me to the approriate group I will be happy t merge/upload vmbuilder for natty with maverick and natty in it
[16:35] <mvo> jdstrand: what branch did you use for your natty upload? or did you patch directly?
[16:36] <mvo> jdstrand: aha, I see quilt?
[16:38] <jdstrand> mvo: let me see...
[16:39] <jdstrand> mvo: I'm not the maintainer per se, but have updated it a few times. I just would use quilt and upload and let the autoimporter deal
[16:40] <mvo> jdstrand: thans, I will just do that
[16:40] <jdstrand> sure
[16:40] <mvo> jdstrand: I just asked you because you touched it last ;)
[16:41] <jdstrand> I figured. that is all I did
[16:46] <jmgalloway> anyone here good with ssh?
[16:46] <jmgalloway> I have an authentication failure question
[16:47] <jmgalloway> I keep getting this error:  Received disconnect from 192.168.1.131: 2: Too many authentication failures for clcuser
[16:48] <jmgalloway> I have uninstalled, reinstalled, changed the maxauthtries variable in ssh_config, tried to re-exchange rsa keys....nothing works.
[16:50] <jmgalloway> I have passwordless ssh login on each of my machines due to rsa key exchange.  two of my servers give me the too many authentication failure error...
[16:52] <smoser> mvo, as you probably guessed i already patched 'natty' string in
[16:54] <mvo> smoser: do you use your own branch ? i.e. is that not going into trunk?
[16:55] <smoser> well, that should go into trunk, yes.
[16:55] <smoser> but i'm branched off 0.11
[16:55] <smoser> just because i have never spent effort to move forward
[16:55] <mvo> smoser: aha, ok
[16:55] <mvo> smoser: thanks :)
[17:43] <hallyn> SpamapS: Daviey: did you ever hear anything i said during the chat?
[17:43] <Daviey> hallyn: no :(
[17:43] <hallyn> hm.
[17:44] <hallyn> at least i was able to hear y'all, which was an improvement
[17:44] <hallyn> but i really don't see why ppl like the touch interfaces.  I want a scrollbar!
[17:44] <RoAkSoAx> is there a meeting today? (if so 18:00 UTC or 19:00 UTC?)
[17:44] <ScottK> Server meeting already happened
[17:44] <RoAkSoAx> oh really? lol
[17:45] <RoAkSoAx> ScottK: to what time has it been changed to?
[17:47] <RoAkSoAx> nevermind I just remembered
[18:01] <matt_keys> how do you tell lmsensors that a temperature sensors is a temperature sensor? I can see the correct results from sensors, but when I query 1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.13.16 it's putting them all into the misc category
[18:27] <zaca> I need some help
[18:28] <zaca> While installing my 32 bit server, after creating a username, another install progress bar appears and then just stops at 5%
[18:28] <highvoltage> zaca: who doesn't?
[18:32] <zaca> hmm
[18:32] <zaca> Can you upgrade from desktop edition to server edition inside linux?
[18:37] <matt_keys> zaca : sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop -y
[18:39] <zaca> Thank you for your help, it's really appreciated.
[18:39] <zaca> but won't that install the desktop version?
[18:39] <zaca> I mean, I think I can have desktop ubuntu working fine
[18:39] <zaca> from there, can I install/upgrade to server from the ubuntu desktop?
[18:39] <ZMo> hi, which is the better distro for a kvm/corosync server between lucid and maverick? I mean, is there some particulary work on maverick about virtualization against lucid? Thanks
[18:40] <matt_keys> sorry read that wrong... I suppose the opposite would work--sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop
[18:40] <matt_keys> server is just desktop without the guis...
[18:40] <zaca> Ah, No extra functions are installed?
[18:41] <zaca> anything like.. "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-server" ?
[18:42] <matt_keys> zaca : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ServerFaq#What%27s%20the%20difference%20between%20desktop%20and%20server?
[18:43] <zaca> Thank you very much, matt.
[18:44] <zaca> I'm switching from Microsoft Web Server
[18:44] <zaca> 2008
[18:44] <matt_keys> you just need server then
[18:44] <zaca> i just need to install apache then
[18:45] <zaca> it's an old desktop pc
[18:45] <matt_keys> yeah just install server and select the LAMP category when it asks what to install
[18:45] <zaca> Linux Server keeps getting stuck at %5 after creating a username.
[18:46] <matt_keys> verify your installation media. i've had that happen a few times before from either a bad CDr or burn speed
[18:46] <zaca> possibly
[18:46] <hallyn> kees: drat, 'CAP_SYS_ADMIN' for dmesg, eh?
[18:46] <zaca> the CD I burned just before worked perfectly
[18:46] <zaca> so I am assuming
[18:46] <kees> hallyn: as a possibility, yeah
[18:47] <zaca> but now I don't have an os on the only machine with the cd burner. :p
[18:48] <zaca> well, I'm going to run the server install for a moment here
[18:48] <hallyn> kees: my 'drat' was at re-using cap-sys-admin
[18:48] <zaca> "Check disk for defects"
[18:48] <jjohansen> kees: oh please not CAP_SYS_ADMIN, a new cap maybe?
[18:49] <hallyn> @jjohansen++ :)
[18:51] <zaca> "Checking CD rom integrity"
[18:51] <zaca> FAILED
[18:52] <zaca> corrupted.
[18:53] <qman__> it can also be caused by a failing/incompatible drive, too
[18:53] <qman__> I haven't run into that problem since about 6.06, but still
[18:54] <qman__> if it's an older machine, consider trying a different drive
[18:55] <zaca> I think the drive is fine, but thanks, I'll try the second cd drive.
[18:55] <zaca> and that isn't sarcasm. >.>
[18:57] <slicslak> something is eating proc on my box, can't even run top
[18:58] <slicslak> is there a lighter command (options for ps?) that show me the top proc eating processes?
[18:59] <qman__> slicslak, yes, but I don't know them off the top of my head
[18:59] <qman__> you can also use `top -n1`
[18:59] <qman__> to output a single reading
[18:59] <zaca> Ubuntu TRY desktop works fine
[19:00] <zaca> going to use it to burn another server install disk
[19:00] <zaca> actually...
[19:00] <zul> smoser: whats the bug number again?
[19:00] <smoser> SpamapS, if you're bored (or if anyone is), you could review https://code.launchpad.net/~awstools-dev/+junk/iamcli . i'm wanting to get that into archive (bug 675686)
[19:01] <smoser> oops.
[19:01] <smoser> but that is the bug. sorry for spam, spamaps
[19:01] <zaca> Can I  "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-server" ? from inside TRY desktop?  Would that work to install the server?
[19:01] <qman__> not exactly
[19:01] <qman__> you'd have to first remove all the desktop stuff
[19:01] <qman__> then switch kernels
[19:02] <qman__> then install the server bits you want
[19:02] <zaca> it's trying the desktop
[19:02] <zaca> TRY running off the CD
[19:02] <zaca> from there can I install the server to disk?
[19:03] <qman__> not directly
[19:03] <zaca> unfortunately, the other drive isn't connected/ out of comission
[19:05] <zaca> is it possible to remove the live CD to burn another for a few minutes? >.>
[19:07] <zaca> I'm probably asking very stupid questions
[19:08] <zul> smoser: after a quick look at it....i have two things (1) fix the changelog (2) and in the debian/control move the ${misc:Depends} to the end
[19:08] <smoser> what is wrong with changelog ? the ~natty ?
[19:09] <zaca> Haha
[19:09] <smoser> zul, ^
[19:09] <zul> smoser: the ~ppa1 bit
[19:10] <zul> er...ppa0 bit
[19:10] <zaca> nevermind... won't even let me use the drive even though the live cd is out
[19:10] <smoser> pushing those now
[19:13] <zul> soser: lemme know when done ill upload it
[19:13] <zaca> Thanks for your help guys
[19:13] <zul> smoser: ^^^
[19:13] <zaca> I know it's a bitch helping linux newbs. :D
[19:14] <smoser> zul, done
[19:14] <smoser> oops
[19:14] <smoser> shoot
[19:15] <smoser> lp:~awstools-dev/+junk/iamcli is done now.
[19:15] <smoser> rev 21
[19:16] <kees> jjohansen, hallyn: it's the syslog CAP again...
[19:16] <kees> hallyn: see, we needed it now! :)
[19:17] <SpamapS> smoser: did we file a blueprint to add all the missing aws tools as erichammond asked?
[19:17] <hallyn> kees: no argument.  sadly, i only just realized that linux-security-module is another list whose subscription got dropped
[19:18] <smoser> i dont know if there is a blueprint, SpamapS
[19:18] <smoser> i dont think so
[19:18] <hallyn> kees: i don't even remember what happened to htat patch
[19:18] <kees> hallyn: it's gotta be in there somewhere...
[19:19] <zaca> Awesomesauce, Booted up with Live Desktop, using the burner to burn another, hopefully good, server install cd
[19:19] <hallyn> kirkland: if i wanted to switch kvm-pxe to use the new gpxe tree...  should i jsut create an ubuntu/natty/gpxe and have the ubuntu/natty/etherboot go away, or should i try and 'update' the etherboot tree with the gpxe contents?
[19:19] <hallyn> kees: you mean in the archives?
[19:20] <kees> hallyn: yeah, I assume. I mean, I remember reading it a while back.
[19:24] <kirkland> hallyn: is gpxe a new project?  ie, is it separate from etherboot?
[19:26] <hallyn> kirkland: gpxe is the new etherboot
[19:27] <kirkland> hallyn: i haven't looked at it much, but I'd think this would be a new package we'd need to add to the archive, no?
[19:27] <kirkland> hallyn: ie, it's more than just a name change, right?
[19:27] <hallyn> kirkland: right, and i'm going to
[19:27] <hallyn> just wondering how
[19:27] <hallyn> i dunno how much the actual code layout has changed
[19:27] <hallyn> it is a new git tree
[19:27] <kirkland> hallyn: okay, so first, check that debian hasn't packaged it yet
[19:27] <kirkland> i don't see it
[19:28] <kirkland> hallyn: perhaps look for an ITP (intend to package)
[19:28] <kirkland> hallyn: and if it's not packaged, then yeah, we'd need to package it up
[19:28] <kirkland> hallyn: as of debhelper7, packages from scratch are pretty trivial
[19:29]  * hallyn 's eyes glaze over at 'debhelper7' :)
[19:29] <hallyn> all right, ITP - obviously the way to go!
[19:29] <hallyn> thanks
[19:29] <hallyn> (in fact, maybe i/we asked about that a few months ago)
[19:30] <zaca> Hey, Matt, thanks for the help
[19:58] <SpamapS> kirkland: note that there's a new tool, 'pkgme' that should make packaging from scratch even easier... sort of the debhelper equivilent of dh_make.
[19:59] <ScottK> SpamapS: You should consider some of the acronym expansion in that sentence.
[20:01] <SpamapS> ScottK: I see no acronyms... ?
[20:01] <ScottK> SpamapS: What is dh_make short for.
[20:01] <ScottK> (specifically the dh part)
[20:01] <SpamapS> ScottK: right, but dh_make is crusty and doesn't do what pkgme intends to do. ;)
[20:02] <ScottK> OK.  But a debhelper version of debhelper make is nonsense.
[20:03] <SpamapS> well its the debhelper equvilent.. I actually meant to type debhelper7 equivilent.. as the idea is to just type 'pkgme blah' like 'dh blah'
[20:04] <SpamapS> though the end goal is really to be able to determine a) what IDE/build system/etc. was used to produce the cwd's source, and b) what is missing to fill in a complete debian dir from it.
[20:04] <SpamapS> then of course, c) if all is available, make a debian dir.
[20:05] <ScottK> Right.
[20:05] <smoser> where is pkgme ?
[20:06] <smoser> SpamapS, ^
[20:06] <smoser> kirkland, ping
[20:06] <kirkland> smoser: pong
[20:07] <smoser> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~smoser/+junk/uec-on-ec2/files has 'maverick-commands' that turn ec2 image into uec
[20:07] <zaca> So far my server install is going smoothly, I ran the CD check and it passed
[20:07] <smoser> err ec2 instance into a uec
[20:07] <smoser> and that is functional
[20:07] <smoser> so you can likely just scrape that for your live iso
[20:08] <smoser> ie, somewhere in that 150 lines might be something that makes your iso work
[20:10] <SpamapS> smoser: https://launchpad.net/pkgme
[20:19] <eriksson25> Need help, I compiled some mantis driver for my tv card. But it jamed the system, wouldent boot, Only solution was to remove the card. Then it worked as usual. How can I remove this drivers?
[20:20] <eriksson25> I installed with this, sudo dkms add -m mantis -v mercurial
[20:20] <eriksson25> sudo dkms build -m mantis -v mercurial
[20:20] <eriksson25> sudo dkms install -m mantis -v mercurial
[20:24] <zaca> I'm installing ubuntu server
[20:24] <zaca> and I'm unsure what each of all these packages I can install do
[20:24] <zaca> I know I want the LAMP, print
[20:24] <zaca> but I don't know what they all do >.>
[20:25] <RoyK> just start off with ssh
[20:25] <RoyK> then you can install the rest afterwards
[20:26] <RoyK> if you need mysql and apache, use lamp, if not, just stick to a simple install
[20:26] <zaca> I plan for this to be used for web serving, FTP, print serving
[20:26] <zaca> I'd like to be able to remotely manage it
[20:27] <zaca> Possibly mail
[20:27] <RoyK> LAMP = linux + apache + mysql + php
[20:27] <RoyK> for an ftp server, no need for that
[20:27] <RoyK> for a web server, apache will do, unless you want wordpress or something on it
[20:28] <zaca> my website uses a lot of PHP
[20:28] <RoyK> all packages are installable after initial install
[20:28] <RoyK> so never mind - just start out with ssh and lamp
[20:29] <RoyK> lamp will install myql, which may not be needed, but it won't hurt much
[20:29] <zaca> okay
[20:29] <zaca> Sounds good to me.
[20:29] <zaca> I just can't find a list online describing the function of each package/collection
[20:30] <aCleverMoniker> Hey everyone.  I have a strange issue.  I can see /var/www shared from my server on both windows and osx boxes on my network, but I *don't* have nfs-kernel-server or samba installed.
[20:30] <aCleverMoniker> I'm trying to figure out what is causing it to be shared.
[20:30] <zaca> I've selected lamp,, mail, print, openSSH and I think I'll continue with that.
[20:30] <RoyK> zaca: if you're a newbie (which I suspect you are), just start off with lamp+ssh and take it from there
[20:30] <zaca> definitely a newby with linux and servers
[20:30] <zaca> my skills are more limited to local networks and individual computers
[20:31] <RoyK> zaca: never mind - learn as you go
[20:31] <RoyK> aCleverMoniker: perhaps AFS is involved?
[20:31] <zaca> I'm a beast with windows
[20:31] <aCleverMoniker> RoyK: I'm not sure.  How would I check that?
[20:32] <zaca> :D  but that's $300 software
[20:32] <RoyK> aCleverMoniker: just install the nfs kernel server - never mind about the rest
[20:32] <zaca> would you suggest using a password for MySQL?
[20:32] <RoyK> zaca: would you recommend having a secure network?
[20:33] <zaca> that's a yes
[20:33] <aCleverMoniker> RoyK: I had it installed originally, but I was having trouble seeing anything in exports (except for /var/www) on my windows/mac boxes.  I decided to uninstall it and switch to samba, but when I uninstalled it, I'm still able to see /var/www.
[20:33] <aCleverMoniker> So that's concerning.
[20:34] <zul> smoser: do you want me to upload that?
[20:34] <zaca> I usually accomplish that by very strict firewall use.
[20:34] <smoser> yes please.
[20:34] <zaca> talking out of my ass a little
[20:35] <RoyK> zaca: firewall security doesn't count if you have a bad webapp where people can insert user/pass for the mysql db
[20:35] <RoyK> zaca: and those things happen more often than you want to know
[20:36] <zaca> -nods-
[20:36] <zaca> I've noticed a large number of annoying dictionary attacks through ftp
[20:37] <RoyK> never use ftp
[20:37] <zaca> sftp then?
[20:37] <RoyK> it's a highly insecure protocol
[20:37] <zaca> very open to man in the middle
[20:37] <RoyK> sftp, as in ftp over ssh, yes
[20:37] <RoyK> sftp with ssl/tls is somehow insecure as well
[20:37] <RoyK> ssh is quite secure
[20:38] <zaca> This is also a home network
[20:38] <zaca> the reason I'm still ignorant about it it because I haven't felt that security is absolutely needed.
[20:38] <RoyK> imho all networks should be built by a fanatic paranoid sysadmin :þ
[20:39] <zaca> I'll be back in about 20 minutes, the server is installing the packages, I have to pick up my little brothers from school
[20:39] <zaca> Thanks RoyK
[20:41] <amarcolino> hi I can't seem to mount cdrom on a clean install of ubuntu lts running in vbox, command outputs mount: can't find /dev/cdrom in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[20:41] <amarcolino> what do I need to do to get the cdrom showing?
[20:42] <matt_keys> how do you tell lmsensors that a temperature sensors is a temperature sensor? I can see the correct results from sensors, but when I query 1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.13.16 it's putting them all into the misc category
[20:48] <zul> smoser: done
[20:48] <smoser> whoowhoo
[20:54] <zul> hggdh: do you want to file a bug on it?
[20:55] <hggdh> I think I should. Hell is that there are no logs
[20:55] <hggdh> zul: ^
[20:55] <zul> *grr*
[21:03] <hggdh> zul: bug 676245 opened; we do not have a way of getting the logs, but the kernel folks can access the system anytime they want
[21:03] <zul> hggdh: sweet...thanks
[21:13] <Zac> awesome sauce
[21:13] <Zac> The server is finished installing
[21:13] <Guest99415> booting up for the first time
[21:14] <Guest99415> nick
[21:14] <Guest99415> -nickname
[21:14] <Guest99415> I forget how to do this
[21:14] <ZacServerInstall> awesome
[21:20] <okay> nick ZacharyUServer
[21:20] <okay> hello
[21:21] <ZacharyNewb> I've just installed my server, and it's now running
[21:21] <ZacharyNewb> however I have no idea how to configure it
[21:21] <ZacharyNewb> I'd like to start with web serving
[21:21] <ZacharyNewb> I already have an entire website on the second ntfs drive
[21:23] <ZacharyNewb> I'm starting with ddclient for dynamic ip address updating
[21:33] <ZacharyNewb> how do I uninstall ddclient?
[21:35] <ZacharyNewb> I need some help ?
[21:35] <ZacharyNewb> How do I uninstall ddclient?
[21:36] <jdstrand> hallyn: fyi, I uploaded libvirt
[21:37] <jdstrand> hallyn: amd64 ftbfs because of the qemu-kvm ftbfs on amd64 I mentioned earlier today. when qemu-kvm is fixed can you either ping me or retry the libvirt builds?
[21:37] <guntbert> ZacharyNewb: sudo apt-get remove ddclient
[21:38] <ZacharyNewb> does that remove all of it's configuration files as well?
[21:38] <guntbert> ZacharyNewb: no
[21:38] <ZacharyNewb> Alright, I screwed up configuring it,
[21:39] <ZacharyNewb> I'm trying to delete those settings and retry
[21:40] <guntbert> ZacharyNewb: then sudo apt-get purge ddclient
[21:40] <hallyn> jdstrand: well that's just whacky, bc the exact same source did build in my ppa at https://launchpad.net/~serge-hallyn/+archive/virt?field.series_filter=natty
[21:40] <ZacharyNewb> awesome, I love you
[21:42] <guntbert> ZacharyNewb: you're welcome :-) (have a look at the !serverguide   some time :-))
[21:43] <ZacharyNewb> I'm trying to set up the dns updater
[21:43] <hallyn> jdstrand: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/qemu-kvm/+builds  the amd64 build passed according to this
[21:43] <ZacharyNewb> what protocol do you think I need to use for no-ip.com ?
[21:44] <guntbert> ZacharyNewb: look on their web site
[21:44] <ZacharyNewb> they say http resquest
[21:44] <ZacharyNewb> but that's not a listed option in ddclient ?
[21:46] <jdstrand> hallyn: I'm sorry. I meant to say that libvirt ftbfs because qemu-common isn't available on amd64, because qemu-common is built in the i386 builds and it ftbfs
[21:46] <hallyn> ah
[21:46] <hallyn> ok, i'm asking on #ubuntu-devel about the i386 failure
[21:47] <hallyn> hm, well, i suppose i'll try here in a chroot first
[21:47] <hallyn> doh, i don't have a natty chroot yet :)
[21:50] <guntbert> ZacharyNewb: If you're speaking to someone in particular, please put their nickname in what you say (use !tab), or else messages get lost and it becomes confusing :)
[21:50] <ZacharyNewb> aha, of course
[21:51] <jdstrand> hehe
[21:54] <guntbert> ZacharyNewb: as an example: http://pastebin.com/ABK5t4Gd
[21:55] <ZacharyNewb> guntbert: Yes, I found that.  Problem is I don't know the protocols for namecheap,  or their addresses or other settings.  Thanks you though,  I'm currently chatting with tech support.
[21:56] <guntbert> ZacharyNewb: all right and Good luck :-)
[22:07] <ZacharyNewb> guntbert: don't know if install gedit was a good idea >.>
[22:07] <guntbert> ZacharyNewb: ??
[22:08] <ZacharyNewb> guntbert: trying to edit the ddclient.conf file
[22:08] <ZacharyNewb> don't know how to open it, perhaps using gedit?
[22:08] <guntbert> ZacharyNewb: are you running a server with GUI?
[22:08] <ZacharyNewb> nope, probably the reason why it's a bad ide
[22:08] <air^> "nano ddclient.conf" ?
[22:09] <ZacharyNewb> ahahaha
[22:09] <ZacharyNewb> See, I realized I messed up when the server started installing tons of extra packages.
[22:09] <air^> :)
[22:10] <ZacharyNewb> so, "sudo apt-get purge gedit"  then?  remove all that crap I just installed? :p
[22:11] <ZacharyNewb> -waiting recklessly to hit enter with the command typed in, for someone to yell at him "No, you moron!  don't do it that way!"
[22:11] <ZacharyNewb> -
[22:12] <ZacharyNewb> FIRE
[22:13] <ZacharyNewb> well, gedit's removed now, but a metric ton of extra packages are now installed.
[22:15] <fluvvell> ZacharyNewb, sudo apt-get autoremove
[22:16] <ZacharyNewb> fluvvell: I'm starting over the server install completely.
[22:16] <ZacharyNewb> I need to learn more about the process anyway.
[22:17] <fluvvell> I'd not think that really necessary, but it can be a useful learning route.
[22:17] <fluvvell> yes
[22:17] <ZacharyNewb> Well now I'm stuck with..
[22:17] <ZacharyNewb> The Server was absolutely perfect!
[22:17] <ZacharyNewb> only the packages I needed! Barebones, simple and beautiful
[22:18] <ZacharyNewb> then I recklessly run  install gedit
[22:18] <ZacharyNewb> and I get a ton of extra crap
[22:18] <ZacharyNewb> suddenly.
[22:18] <ZacharyNewb> my virgin install has become very violated. ;_;
[22:19] <ZacharyNewb> I have to reinstall completely, fresh
[22:20] <fluvvell> ZacharyNewb, if gedit was the only thing you installed, its not hard to remove
[22:20] <fluvvell> ZacharyNewb, and autoremove cleans out un-necessary packages after you remove-purge it
[22:21] <fluvvell> Theres very little you can't undo during an ubuntu install
[22:21] <ZacharyNewb> fluvvell:  I love linux now.  I've been all giddy since rediscovering it. :D
[22:22] <ZacharyNewb> fluvvell: When I first started using it, it kept crashing, and was more difficult, now it's like a wetdream.
[22:23] <fluvvell> ZacharyNewb, he he, whats not to love.  Re: gedit, when offering to install on my 8.04 server, it only wants to install 52 packages. Not what I'd call hugely problematic. (I'm remote accessing it via ssh)
[22:23] <fluvvell> ZacharyNewb, and if I install it, then remove it later, apt-get autoremove will remove all 52 packages that are no longer needed.
[22:24] <ZacharyNewb> fluvvell: In past dealings in windows, SSH was a total bitch to set up, so I decided not to use it, despite knowing it would then be less secure
[22:24] <ZacharyNewb> fluvvell: I presume that ssh is much easier to use in linux?
[22:24] <fluvvell> ZacharyNewb, its built in
[22:24] <fluvvell> ZacharyNewb, and in windows, you just install putty. It takes all of about 5 seconds to download and install
[22:25] <ZacharyNewb> fluvvell: This computer I'm chatting on is running windows 7, dual-booting with ubuntu netbook
[22:25] <ZacharyNewb> rather, the two OSs are installed side by side
[22:25] <fluvvell> ZacharyNewb, thats probably similar to how many of us started
[22:25] <ZacharyNewb> fluvvell: am I able to remotely access and control ubuntu server from windows?
[22:25] <fluvvell> I now only ever run windows in a virtual machine now.
[22:26] <fluvvell> Not if they are on the same computer
[22:26] <ZacharyNewb> no
[22:26] <ZacharyNewb> fluvvell: Ubuntu Server is on my old desktop pc connected to the router under the cabinet.  Beforehand I had Windows Web Server 2008
[22:26] <fluvvell> ZacharyNewb, the problem will be if you want to remote run any X based apps
[22:27] <ZacharyNewb> fluvvell: X being the graphics engine for linux? which understandably wouldn't work with windows connections?
[22:27] <fluvvell> ZacharyNewb, yeah, there are ways but it gets a bit complicated.
[22:28] <fluvvell> but putty is your first point of call
[22:28] <ZacharyNewb> Ng:  why do you keep toggling your nickname between uppercase and lowercase?
[22:28] <ZacharyNewb> fluvvell: for now I'd like to start with basic stuff
[22:29] <fluvvell> ZacharyNewb, yep good idea. Is your server installing now?
[22:29] <ZacharyNewb> fluvvell: would you suggest I switch to linux netbook to access the server?
[22:29] <Ng> ZacharyNewb: that's not me :)
[22:29] <ZacharyNewb> fluvvell:  yes, it is. installing base system, it'll take longer since it's having to do it via optical disk
[22:30] <ZacharyNewb> 83%
[22:30] <ZacharyNewb> 90
[22:30] <fluvvell> ZacharyNewb, Its not critical at this stage, have you got a copy of putty installed on the windows box?
[22:30] <ZacharyNewb> not currently, one moment, I'll install it on here now
[22:31] <fluvvell> then you can remote into the linux server.
[22:31] <hallyn> jdstrand: interesting, the gentoo forums suggest problems due to parallel builds
[22:32] <ZacharyNewb> fluvvell: What do I use to remote?
[22:32] <hallyn> (which woudl expalin the somewhat random failures0
[22:33] <ZacharyNewb> fluvvell: With Windows Web Server 2008, I was using Windows 7 RDC (Remote Desktop Connection) to conenct, and was merely using certificate authentication on some random back alley port
[22:34] <ZacharyNewb> Now at  "Select and Install Software"
[22:35] <ZacharyNewb> fluvvell: putty.exe is on my desktop, I opened it and now I have a bunch of options
[22:35] <ZacharyNewb> fluvvell:  server isn't finished installing, but until then, Do I need any other application to use to remote into linux?
[22:42] <kirkland> smoser: ping
[22:43] <kirkland> smoser: i'm curious about the MIR items in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/cloud-server-n-desktop-images
[22:43] <kirkland> smoser: I'd think for 11.04, we should be able to do this blueprint without MIR'ing stuff
[22:43] <jdstrand> hallyn: interesting. I've seen that before, but not on qemu-kvm
[22:52] <air^> hmm.
[22:52] <air^> I got a folder shared both through afp (for mac useage) and through nfs (for xbmc).
[22:52] <air^> I know netatalk supports "veto" to hide files, but what about nfs?
[22:54] <fluvvell> ZacharyNewb, you only have a bash/command line on stock standard server install, so putty will give you that access.
[22:59] <eriksson25> Plz, how do I get rid of a installed mantis driver that is installed with dkms
[23:20] <cjc2010> How do I go about creating 10 mailboxes
[23:20] <cjc2010> pls
[23:21] <bluefrog> cjc2010, install a mail server
[23:22] <cjc2010> pls name an easy to configure and light weight mail server for me to try
[23:23] <eriksson25> Plz, how do I get rid of a installed mantis driver that is installed with dkms
[23:24] <cjc2010> ^that supports IMAP4rev1
[23:25] <cjc2010> ^ that supports IMAP4rev1
[23:25] <cjc2010> that supports IMAP4rev1
[23:26] <bluefrog> eriksson25, removing it seems a good idea
[23:29] <cjc2010> is Dovecot a good choice/
[23:29] <cjc2010> is Dovecot a good choice?
[23:30] <eriksson25> bluefrog Yes, but how, I compiled it with
[23:30] <eriksson25> sudo dkms add -m mantis -v mercurial
[23:30] <eriksson25> sudo dkms build -m mantis -v mercurial
[23:30] <eriksson25> sudo dkms install -m mantis -v mercurial
[23:30] <eriksson25> Any easy way to remove it?
[23:31] <eriksson25> If I have tha tv card in that the mantis drivers is for it wount boot. Gives me all kinds of strange errors. If I remove the card it works fine.
[23:31] <eriksson25> So I just want to remove the driver.
[23:33] <bluefrog> dkms remove
, shuld I use -m or -all?
[23:36] <bluefrog> don't know man dkms
[23:39] <eriksson25> sudo dkms remove --all Mantis
[23:40] <eriksson25> Gives
[23:40] <eriksson25> Error! Invalid number of parameters passed.
[23:40] <eriksson25> Usage: remove -m <module> -v <module-version> --all
[23:40] <eriksson25>    or: remove -m <module> -v <module-version> -k <kernel-version>