Riddellstarcraftman: going to become a Kubuntu ninja?00:27
starcraftmanRiddell: I dunno about ninja, don't they usually run into trouble against pirates? I'll settle for helping a bit and learning :)00:28
starcraftmanoh wait, already got ninja outfit.00:29
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WikiNinjahmmm, was more amusing back when I registered it.00:29
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starcraftmanRiddell: kinda quiet in evening eh?00:32
Riddellstarcraftman: it is this evening at least00:54
Riddellbut do stick around00:54
nigelboh, starcraftman, heya :)00:57
Riddelland if you're interested in helping out let us know what sort of area you might find interesting00:57
starcraftmanhi nigelb :)01:08
starcraftmanRiddell: not quite sure what exactly to help with, I've used linux a long while and do program but not that particular with programming for linux projects.01:09
DarkwingDuckHey starcraftman 01:14
DarkwingDuckstarcraftman, Riddell. Riddell, starcraftman. Riddell, starcraftman is another possible... helper for apachelogger 01:15
starcraftmanhola DarkwingDuck, every time I see your name the 90s hit me like a brick :)01:15
DarkwingDuckhehehe that's the point01:15
DarkwingDuckIt was either DarkwingDuck or DuckTails01:15
macoRiddell: does "exciting" have a 'c' yet?01:16
starcraftmanDarkwingDuck: darkwing eats ducks for breakfast!01:16
starcraftmanDarkwingDuck: what does apachelogger need help with?01:16
jjesseevening :)01:18
DarkwingDuckapachelogger is on in the mornings our time...01:18
starcraftmanoh hey there jjesse :)01:18
starcraftmanDarkwingDuck: I see, prolly should log in from work I guess.01:19
starcraftmanDo get a bit busy though usually.01:19
jjesseque pasa starcraftman01:23
starcraftmanjjesse: oh not much atm, just relaxing after a long day.01:25
jjesseme 201:26
jjessejust catching up on email, etc after being onsite at a customers01:26
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ScottKstarcraftman: One thing that would be interesting to know is how much more space it would take if we shipped Firefox instead of rekonq.  It's an analysis piece of work, but useful for also learning a bit about how things are arranged.02:14
starcraftmanScottK: considering making the switch based on user demand?02:17
ScottKstarcraftman: Based on I've about given up on there ever being a KDE based browser that doesn't totally suck.02:18
starcraftmanScottK: lol02:18
ScottKWe've always dismissed the idea due to the thought that it would take up too much space, but because we ship OOo (or LO), we probably have most of the libraries already.02:19
starcraftmanScottK: wasn't arora kinda coming along based on webkit? Haven't checked it recently.02:19
ScottKIt was.02:19
ScottKWe shipped rekonq last cycle as default (which is also webkit based).02:19
ScottKIt's better, but it's a one man project and I don't feel it's got long term potential.02:20
claydohScottK: and ff 4 is shaping up rather nicely, and is very snappy on my old hardware02:21
starcraftmanScottK: I see, alright well I guess I'll look into this then as I get some free time. 02:21
nigelbScottK: I thought rohan was putting work into Rekonq?02:22
nigelb(oh, is he the "one man"?)02:22
ScottKHe's helping out a bit, but the original developer who's name I forget makes all the decisions.02:22
ScottKclaydoh: I heard that about FF4.02:23
claydohScottK: it sure is, using it as my default the past3 or 4 days02:23
nigelbclaydoh: PPA or from the website?02:24
claydohI am a rekonq fanboi and ff4 is nicer02:24
claydohdunno if FF4 is lighter than rekonq, but it sure is snappy02:25
* ScottK is pretty sure FF3 was lighter than rekonq.02:25
claydohScottK: it is dog slow on my pentium 402:26
ScottKHowever slow it is, my experience has been Rekonq is slower.02:27
ScottKRekonq is, however, faster than Konqueror.02:27
ScottKIt also lacks Konqueror's one (for me) killer feature: being able to right click on a link and pick open with to decide which application to open the link target with.02:29
ScottKRohan offered to implement this, but upstream rejected is as not like a modern web browser.02:30
claydohagreed x202:30
claydohthat's silly, considering02:31
ScottKapachelogger: Due to a lack of icecreaming in the kde trunk build, I just kicked off a qt-x11 4.7.1 build living on system #2 (with the ice cream magic hopefully copied over correctly).  This won't finish due to lack of hard drive space, but I want to make sure it still builds with the old gcc as far as I can.02:51
CIA-42[muon] jmthomas * 1197941 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ApplicationDetailsView/ (3 files) Separate widget construction/app info population in the ApplicationDetailsWidget05:09
JontheEchidnald seems pretty messed up at the moment05:10
JontheEchidnacan't resolve symbols in KIO even though I am already explicitly linking it. :/05:10
JontheEchidnabinutils-gold for the win05:10
CIA-42[muon] jmthomas * 1197942 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ApplicationDetailsView/ApplicationDetailsWidget.cpp We can't call fetchScreenshot before setApplication05:13
JontheEchidnableh, got late05:14
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hrwqt4-x11 still building09:10
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alhow about chromium as default browser?09:15
shadeslayerso any l10n ninjas around?09:38
shadeslayerim done with KDE 4.5.3 for lucid09:39
shadeslayerjust need to upload kde-l10n09:39
shadeslayerwhich do i use? trunk? the lucid branch?09:39
freeflyingI'm wondering why fonts being set to dejavu in rekonq by default09:40
shadeslayerfreeflying: afaik there was a discussion about this as well on the Mailing list09:41
shadeslayerbut i cant remember when09:41
freeflyingshadeslayer, didn't notice it before, if so, set to dejavu is really a bad idea for a i18ned application09:42
shadeslayeroh snap09:44
shadeslayerlaunchpad going offline in 10 mins09:44
steveireapachelogger: re Grantlee l10n: I wrote a abstract interface and implemented it for QLocale and for KLocale10:29
hrwScottK: had to reboot board - no way to give you timing of qt4-x11 build10:29
shadeslayerlp is kaboom10:29
Riddellsilly qt marking files as being made in 197010:32
shadeslayerRiddell: im all done with the base system ... kde-l10n awaits .... but lp is offline right now :(10:35
freeflyingRiddell, how to request on remove a app from repo in ubuntu? file a bug?10:43
debfxRiddell: is the timestamp of header files set to 1970?10:49
Riddelldebfx: yes10:51
Riddellfreeflying: file a bug subscribe ubuntu-archive10:51
freeflyingRiddell, thanks10:52
debfxRiddell: you need to revert http://qt.gitorious.org/+qt-developers/qt/releases/commit/b2643a207a23599dbf1aec37cd2b6f8adae1e2dd10:55
debfxI commented on the bug saying that the feature is broken, but no response so far10:56
Riddellmm, well spotted debfx, thanks10:58
shadeslayerRiddell: so people @ rekonq think we already have too many widgets in urlbar, and adding a clear button would clutter it11:01
Riddellthat's a valid concern11:03
shadeslayerand showing it in the urlbar for a short period of time doesnt make sense as well....11:04
Riddellno, it should either be there or not11:04
shadeslayerRiddell: please add your suggestions to rekonq ML ....11:05
Riddellmy suggestion is to add it :)11:05
shadeslayerthen say so on the Mailing list ^_^11:06
RiddellI should send the complete wishlist to the mailing list11:07
shadeslayerprobably yes11:09
jussishadeslayer: rekonq weirdness: http://imagebin.ca/view/Hb9Xa8fK.html and in chrome: http://imagebin.ca/view/EeGpqD.html11:18
hrwlinking libraries takes eons12:24
hrwI wonder how much memory is needed to link qt libs12:25
hrw750MB ram + 1GB swap was not enough... oom kicked in12:25
shadeslayerjussi: no idea... :(12:29
shadeslayernixternal: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/11/ubuntu-cycling-jersey-now-on-sale/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+d0od+%28Omg%21+Ubuntu%21%2912:30
nigelbUnless its Kubuntu he's not going to buy12:42
shadeslayerhehe.... get a big K stamped before Ubuntu?12:45
ScottKhrw: OK.  Thanks for trying.12:50
ScottKOhhhhh. agateau got one of the fancy arm netbooks.  Now I know who else will test plasma-netbook.13:08
agateauScottK: for now it's a nice glassy black box, nothing else :/13:08
agateauScottK: but I have hope to get it back to something usable13:09
ScottKagateau: Yes, but once there's a kernel ....13:09
ScottKagateau: We do want to look into trying to thin down what runs by default on arm to make the arm experience better and I'd love to have your help in that work.13:10
hrwagateau: kde4/maverick starts on efikasb13:10
agateauhrw: Yes, I tried it13:10
agateauhrw: was quite slow though13:11
shadeslayerif only someone would make project neon work on ARM13:12
hrwshadeslayer: what it is?13:12
shadeslayerhrw: Nightly builds of KDE13:12
hrwagateau: I would say 'unusable' rather13:12
shadeslayersandboxed in /opt/project-non13:12
agateauhrw: heh, I try to keep a positive approach :)13:12
hrwshadeslayer: with speed of arm it would rather be weekly builds13:12
shadeslayerheheh .....13:13
hrwagateau: I tried. but it took several minutes to boot to plasma-netbook13:13
shadeslayernot with ScottK having a whole Data center of ARM builders in his basement13:13
hrwagateau: now I have xubuntu-desktop13:13
agateauhrw: right now I have shiny-black desktop :)13:13
hrwagateau: anyway wait for 2d/3d acceleration stuff13:13
ScottKshadeslayer: Nightly is optimistic, but I've two boxes allocated for this purpose so it ought to be doable on a reasonable interval.13:14
ScottKI don't think there's much point in doing the /opt thing for arm though.13:14
ScottKAnyone playing with an arm box at this stage better not absolutely need a working KDE.13:15
CIA-42[muon] jmthomas * 1198121 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (3 files in 2 dirs) More separation of the application pointer and class constructors.14:04
shadeslayerbah.... kde l10n takes epic long14:08
Riddellrdieter_work: does fedora use ibus or something else for input methods?14:11
arpanshadeslayer: what is a good start point for a user to follow the kubuntu ninja path?14:12
shadeslayerarpan: Step 1> Poke apachelogger for minion status14:12
shadeslayerStep 2> Get access to ktown and ninja PPA14:12
shadeslayerStep 3> Read the ninja wiki14:12
shadeslayerwait.. that should be step 0 ^14:13
arpanshadeslayer: thanks14:13
shadeslayerarpan: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/14:13
rdieter_workRiddell: ibus *I think*, but I'm largely blissfully ignorant of the details.14:13
shadeslayerRiddell: do i just ignore some of the errors poping up? about the files that are missing14:14
* arpan bookmarks ninja wiki14:14
Riddellrdieter_work: it does seem like a topic nobody west of 80E longitude wants to consider :)14:14
Riddellarpan: do some packaging would be the best place to start14:15
rdieter_workRiddell: heh, others know more than I (Kevin_Kofler, ltinkl, I believe are more on top of that than I)14:15
Riddellshadeslayer: umm, depends on the errors14:15
ScottKshadeslayer: Are you the koffice minion?  Someone ought to look into https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/koffice/+bug/67639814:16
shadeslayerScottK: lex did the last release14:16
shadeslayeri was with you guys when it was released :D14:16
shadeslayerarpan: ^^ job for new ninjas :D14:17
ScottKMore examples of you not working aren't helping your case for promotion.14:17
ScottKshadeslayer: No, I think that one will take some experience.14:17
apacheloggersteveire: isnt that what qtranslator does already?14:17
arpanRiddell: thanks. I will look into packaging.14:17
shadeslayerScottK: im busy struggling with kde l10n stuff right now :P14:17
shadeslayerRiddell: such as : svn: File not found: revision 1198123, path '/trunk/l10n-kde4/fr/messages/extragear-sdk/extragear-sdk_kdevplatform.po'14:17
ubottuhttp://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=1198123&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 1198123 | Lowercase all cmake commands.14:17
Riddellshadeslayer: oh that's fine, just means there's no translation14:18
steveireapachelogger: Partly/possibly. But that doesn't include localaization, just strings.14:18
apacheloggerI see14:18
arpanshadeslayer: wouldn't it be too early for me to look into bug fixing? :?14:18
ScottKOK.  Subscribed him to the bug.14:19
steveireMy stuff does more too, allowing multiple locales which are different from the app locale14:19
shadeslayerarpan: not really.... do you know packaging?14:19
arpantried gnu/hello example on wiki14:19
RiddellScottK: I'm not sure I agree with that koffice bug, installing libpg and libsybase isn't very problematic.  working out what package you need to install to get kexi talking to your database would be14:19
shadeslayerarpan: do this, grab some KDE packages and go through them14:19
arpanshadeslayer:ok. and where do i find them? LP?14:20
shadeslayerlike... grab a package from maverick and try backporting it to lucid ( just to see what you need to change etc )14:20
ScottKRiddell: OK.  I think we need to have a dialogue with upstream about this then.14:20
ScottK"If you would make it easier to ... then we could ..." and we'd all be happy.14:20
arpanshadeslayer:ok. thanks.14:20
* arpan is looking for kde packages on LP.14:22
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shadeslayerRiddell: how long does the build script take?14:43
shadeslayerfor kde l10n 14:43
shadeslayerits been over 2 hours i think.....14:44
Riddellshadeslayer: it's not fast, but you should be able to work out what language it has got to from the output?14:46
Riddellfreeflying: ping, I need information on the kubuntu_90_webkit_htmlxml_gb_gb18030_detect.diff patch in qt4-x1114:46
Riddellis there any background information?14:47
freeflyingRiddell, its for some web page include gbk encoding, which can't be detected correctly14:50
freeflyingRiddell, and been tested in other distro14:50
Riddellshadeslayer: still some time to go then14:51
Riddellfreeflying: http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-1540714:54
dasKreechScottK: yes but that is also part of the division.15:17
dasKreechScottK: sorry responding to your statement yesterday that Ubuntu ships as part of the default15:18
shadeslayerkde-l10n-sr_4.5.3 .... bah15:19
ScottKdasKreech: Sure.  I agree with that.  I think it's useful though to point out that the issue people have with experimentation is not the experiment, but the defaultness of it.15:24
dasKreechScottK: yes but also they don't have a lot of say into if it can be default or the discussion as to what is default15:26
apacheloggerstill no sheytan15:26
dasKreechWhich wasn't an issue while they were not doing experiments since it was a simple swap15:26
ScottKdasKreech: How many non-Canonical core-dev work on Ubuntu desktop?15:26
ScottKapachelogger: If you have any brilliant ideas about ice cream and kdesrc-build, now would be a good time.15:27
dasKreechScottK: I don't even know how many canonical work on Ubuntu desktop15:27
ScottKNot sure either.15:27
dasKreechI once figured that Canonical employs about 80 people but i suppose I was guessing really high15:27
ScottKBut the answer for non-Canonical is AFAIK none.15:27
ScottKMaybe at the time, but it's much larget than that now.15:28
ScottKSo if no one but Canonical people are doing the work on Ubuntu desktop, I think it's reasonable for them to decide.15:28
ScottKThat doesn't mean I particularly agree with their decisions, but I think it's reaonable.15:28
txwikingerIs Wayland really an alternative without network transparency?15:29
apacheloggerScottK: I always have brilliant ideas, or do you question that?15:29
ScottKapachelogger: No, but I need one with an associated implementation at this point.15:29
apacheloggerScottK: do we know what is wrong with it yet?15:30
cmaginatxwikinger: there have already been thoughts on how to address that missing feature15:30
ScottKTurns out kdelibs will build without soprano, but then kdepimlibs won't build with that kdelibs.15:30
txwikingercmagina: how?15:30
ScottKapachelogger: I know you were trying to find a perl minion to do $STUFF.15:30
apacheloggerDarkwingDuck: !!!!!!!q@!15:31
cmaginatxwikinger: i'll try and find the blog about it, give me a bit as i don't recall the exact details15:31
shadeslayerRiddell: how about : sed: couldn't edit source: not a regular file ::15:31
txwikingercmagina: thanks15:31
txwikingerapachelogger: DD is still sleeping15:32
dasKreechScottK: Since it doesn't seem that anyone has tried I don't know if there is an answer to this but what are the barriers for RandomCoder to start submitting code and input to the Desktop15:32
Riddellshadeslayer: that doesn't look so good15:33
ScottKapachelogger: BTW, confirmed that fundamentally the icecreaming is still functional with dpkg-buildpackage based build (doing soprano atm)15:33
* apachelogger is at university right now15:33
apacheloggerI will poke the kdsrc-build later on15:33
ScottKdasKreech: Dunno.  Show up in #ubuntu-desktop and get to work.  Same as here.15:33
ScottKNot that the icecream is helping a lot since the other two boxes are busy with the Qt 4.7.1 build I started last night.15:34
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shadeslayer\o/ .... kde-l10n script done15:36
Riddellapachelogger: how does "KCM Qt Graphics System" work?15:36
Riddellwhat does it do to change the default?15:36
shadeslayerRiddell: im trying to upload, but none of the changes files are signed :S15:38
Riddellshadeslayer: for asdf in *changes; do debsign ${asdf}; done15:41
Riddellwell raster seems to work well enough for me15:44
shadeslayeruploading kde l10n .... and kde 4.5.3 for lucid is done15:44
Riddelltime to test it?15:45
shadeslayerChecksum doesn't match for /Work/KDE/kde-l10n-common/build/kde-l10n-zhtw_4.5.3-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa1.dsc15:45
shadeslayerbah.. wrong folder15:52
alScottK, apachelogger, what $STUFF? maybe i can help?16:06
ScottKal: We're trying to make it work with icecc.16:07
ScottKEven when icecc is all set up and working it doens't seem to.16:07
* ScottK has some arm boxes and is trying to build trunk.16:07
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alScottK, and where does perl come into play there?16:12
ScottKal: That's what kdesrc-build is written in.16:13
aloh, ok16:13
ScottKapachelogger had some idea about what needed doing, but likes Perl even less than Python I think.16:13
* ScottK doens't understand the latter bit, but works with him anyway.16:13
shadeslayeri think i took over all the 32 bit builders with kde-l10n :P16:18
shadeslayerRiddell: is there a way i can make the script do stuff for just one package?16:19
shadeslayeri borked one of the package during the upload.....16:19
shadeslayerill upload that one to staging then :P16:24
nixternalshadeslayer: looks like a bowling shirt to me. to bad they went with hincappie though, love george but his gear isn't great in the long haul16:38
nixternalthe idea of a cycling jersey is to attract people's attention16:39
ScottKSpecifically so they don't run over you if they are driving a car.16:39
nixternalon that note, time to go back to doing nothing and thinking about going for a ride today16:39
nixternalno bib shorts with that jersey? black shorts would look awful with it. damn designers :p16:43
alScottK, is it an issue exclusive to arm?16:44
ScottKal: Probably not, but that's the only place I've tried it.16:44
nixternaloh, there are shorts16:44
alcause kdesrc-build seems to be using icecc just fine here16:44
albuilding qt-copy e.g.16:44
ScottKIf I build a Debian package with -j4 I get icecc just fine.16:45
ScottKIf I run kdesrc-build, I don't.16:45
ScottKDid you have to change in config stuff?16:45
ali added my user to the icecc group and prepended /usr/lib/icecc/bin to $PATH16:47
aland invoked pam in between to get that new group ;)16:47
Riddellshadeslayer: no but you can make that one package manually easily enough16:48
shadeslayerRiddell: how come backports doesnt have translations?16:48
ScottKDone all that.16:48
ali also exported ICECC_DEBUG=debug to see it talk some more16:48
shadeslayerRiddell: i uploaded the fixed package with same version to the staging ppa16:48
Riddellshadeslayer: backports of what?16:48
shadeslayerRiddell: Kubuntu backports PPA16:49
shadeslayerRiddell: also.... do you copy each package by hand to other ppa's ?16:51
Riddellshadeslayer: I use the command line but that's because I'm special16:52
alScottK, you could maybe pause kdesrc-build via ^Z during compile to check the /proc/<pid>/exe and /env of a g++ process to see if $PATH has been changed and which compiler binary it's actually using16:52
Riddellshadeslayer: normally you just tick all the boxes in the launchpad page and click copy, but that always ends up with timeouts when I tried it16:52
shadeslayerRiddell: please copy packages from the private PPA to the staging ppa.... :D16:52
ScottKI can see it's actually using the regular gcc in htop.16:52
Riddellshadeslayer: give me a list of source package names16:53
shadeslayeroh noes...16:53
shadeslayerRiddell: you use the API right? :D16:53
Riddellshadeslayer: no16:53
alScottK, so it looks like icecc gets dropped from $PATH at some point?16:54
shadeslayerRiddell: dont have a list... :(16:54
shadeslayereverything that goes into a normal release16:54
ScottKIt does, but then later when I do a 'regular' Debian package build it's there.16:54
shadeslayerkde-l10n + KDE SC16:54
ScottKso it's getting temporarillyy overriden somehow.16:54
alwell check /proc/<gcc pid>/env16:55
Riddellshadeslayer: well make one!16:55
alif it's missing there, check the parent's env16:55
shadeslayerRiddell: can i put regex?16:56
shadeslayerlike kde-l10n-*16:56
ScottKThanks al.16:57
Riddellshadeslayer: nope16:59
shadeslayerforget it then... webui ftw :D16:59
RiddellI wonder if we have an answer for http://blogs.fsfe.org/adridg/?p=1049 "How new software ends up on KDE4-Solaris"17:00
shadeslayerRiddell: did you just make a new PPA?17:00
Riddellshadeslayer: not that I know of17:01
shadeslayerhmm... i see a new PPA : Kubuntu updates testing17:01
shadeslayerin the copy ppa dialog17:02
shadeslayer*copy to17:02
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Riddellthat's not ours17:02
Riddellevening Quintasan 17:05
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dasKreechScottK: hmm moderately long post by Jono17:13
* dasKreech throws bananas and carambolas at nixternal17:14
QuintasanScottK: ping17:19
ScottKQuintasan: Pong17:19
ScottK(SIP is on my list for later in the week)17:19
QuintasanOh, awesome.17:19
QuintasanScottK: Do you have any experience in kdebindings python magic?17:21
* Quintasan can't figure the FTBFS out17:21
ScottKNot really.  Riddell's the expert there.17:21
QuintasanRiddell: Mind looking at that? http://pastebin.com/uVB81ZmY17:21
RiddellQuintasan: what is it?17:23
DarkwingDuckapachelogger: you called?17:23
RiddellQuintasan: I recommend not using -j6 on kdebindings17:23
RiddellQuintasan: what happens if you continue the compile by running make ?17:23
QuintasanRiddell: Well. so no -j at all for kdebindings?17:24
Quintasanabout make, the same thing17:24
Quintasanbut let me try without -j17:24
shadeslayeralias launchpad='timeout'17:24
Quintasanapachelogger: Where are your hooks for icecc magic?17:25
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arpanshadeslayer: what version change you make while backporting?  package-XubuntuY --> package-XubuntuY+1?17:37
shadeslayerarpan: no... foo ( maverick ) ..... foo~lucid1~ppa1 for lucid17:37
shadeslayerand then increment ppa1 to ppa2 for any changes17:38
arpanshadeslayer: okie. thanks!!17:38
shadeslayerand if you want to get your package into a lucid backport archive use foo-XubuntuY.1 for lucid for a foo-XubuntuY version in maverick17:38
arpanshadeslayer: ok. :)17:40
arpanshadeslayer: http://pastebin.com/DKyVz7Vv17:46
shadeslayerarpan: if didnt do any changes : No change backport17:46
shadeslayerif you did some changes : Lucid backport, remaining changes, : .... <new line >foo change 17:47
arpanshadeslayer: so i need to remove *Backport.... line from there, right?17:47
arpanand rest is fine?17:48
arpanshadeslayer: ^^17:49
arpanshadeslayer: thanks! and  sorry to poke u again and again while i learn ninja skills!! :P17:50
shadeslayerno problem17:50
shadeslayerbut im logging out in a bit17:50
shadeslayerok ive copied everything to staging ppa17:58
shadeslayergo go testers!17:58
shadeslayer( might not be published for a few more minutes tho17:58
QuintasanRiddell: lol i got segmentation fault18:06
QuintasanRiddell: when continuing the build via make I get http://pastebin.ca/199480518:07
shadeslayerweird... i have only 73 packages in staging ppa whereas the ninja ppa has 88...18:10
RiddellQuintasan: what are you building and why?18:24
QuintasanRiddell: kdebindings for project-neon18:24
shadeslayerRiddell: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/staging/ << some packages are not published yet18:25
RiddellQuintasan: ah, so this is trunk?18:26
shadeslayerelse, everything is done18:26
ScottKRiddell: Making some progress on trunk builds on armel too: http://projects.powerdeveloper.org/project/imx515/80118:36
DarkwingDuckRiddell, ScottK apachelogger: I dropped an email to the Kubuntu-Users ML seeing if I can't pick up anyone.18:37
shadeslayerok so kde 4.5.3 installs fine in chrott18:39
shadeslayerim done for the night18:41
bulldog98ScottK: is kubuntu-mobile working on the n8?18:44
shadeslayerbulldog98: it will never work on the N818:44
ScottKbulldog98: I know of N900, but not anything else.18:44
shadeslayerstupid thing ships with symbian18:45
bulldog98shadeslayer: why do you think so?18:45
ScottKshadeslayer: Qt can be built for symbian.18:45
ScottKSo it's possible, just off topic here.18:45
shadeslayerbulldog98: symbian phones come with locked bootloaders and such18:45
shadeslayerScottK: ^18:45
bulldog98shadeslayer: the n8 actuelly uses qt 4.6.x18:45
ScottKWell sure.  You've got to break stuff.18:46
shadeslayerelse there would have been a android port etc ...18:46
shadeslayerhttp://www.doctypehtml5.in/#/venue :: displays map in rekonq but not chromium18:48
shadeslayerand the whole page is HTML518:48
ScottKshadeslayer: Displays the map here in chromium.  Please stop the FUD.18:49
ScottKBesides, given the sponsorship, suspicious anyway.18:50
shadeslayerdoesnt display it here : http://imagebin.ca/view/AygeRcz.html18:50
ScottKProbably due to your poor choice of graphics hardware.18:51
ScottKWhich chromium are you trying?18:51
shadeslayerthe one from maverick updates18:52
shadeslayer *** 7.0.517.44~r64615-0ubuntu0.10.10.1 018:52
shadeslayergtg... cya18:52
* ScottK had an update installed, but not running.18:54
ScottKTrying again18:54
ScottKshadeslayer: Still shows fine.18:56
QuintasanRiddell: yup, this is trunk but as you can see it is currently broken :P18:59
RiddellQuintasan: if trunk is broken there's not much can be done for neon with it19:29
neversfeldeCould not find a signing program (pgp or gpg)!19:32
neversfeldeis this a general problem after debild -S -sa or is it just me?19:32
neversfeldein natty19:32
Riddellneversfelde: means the name and e-mail in the changelog doesn't match your key19:34
Riddellor that you don't have gpg installed19:34
neversfeldeworked yesterday19:34
neversfeldethanks, I'll have a look19:34
apacheloggeroh dear oh dear19:36
apacheloggershadeslayer: if you navigate to a text file in rekonq, it will open in katepart where no searching is possible, also the urlbar does not contain the  file's url for some reason19:36
apacheloggerDarkwingDuck: ScottK suspects that some silly perl script does evil things to the envrionment (I suppose alter $PATH), was wondering if you could look at it ;)19:37
apacheloggersheytan: ping ping ping19:37
DarkwingDuckapachelogger: what one?19:38
* apachelogger builds a heap19:43
DarkwingDuckapachelogger: I'll dig into it.19:45
neversfeldeno, email and name are correct and gpg is installed19:47
* apachelogger sends flowers to sheytan19:52
dasKreechPink of course :)19:54
ScottKDarkwingDuck: If you could teach it to grab kdesupport pieces (akonadi, soprano, and some others) that have moved to Git already, that would be handy (or point out which knobs I need to turn)19:57
bulldog98apachelogger: why not ship fluffy style in kubuntu standard installation?19:57
ScottKBecause he knows I would buy a plane ticket, fly to Austria, and kill him if he did.19:58
ScottKThus we have checks and balances.19:59
Tm_Twouldn't that be reason to do it?19:59
ulyssesneighbour country:o19:59
alvinDo you want pictures of my collegues when they see their 'upgraded' desktop?20:00
DarkwingDuckScottK: I'll see what I can do.20:00
ScottKbulldog98: Besides, we'd end up in a big argument between the Fluffy advocates and that Hannah Montana Linux (yes, this is a Kubuntu derivative) advocates20:01
bulldog98ScottK: are they working upstream?20:02
ScottKNo,  but neither are the Fluffy developers.20:02
ScottK(at least not on fluffy)20:02
bulldog98ScottK: apachelogger?20:02
apacheloggerfluffy is more upstream than you20:02
apacheloggerwith one fluffy being in you bun too and the other being in kay dee ee20:03
dasKreechWho is in Hannah Montana?20:03
apacheloggerdisney popular culture entity20:03
apacheloggerhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/533579/ who thinks this is O(k)?20:04
ScottK$ sudo apt-get install fluffy20:04
ScottKReading package lists... Done20:04
ScottKBuilding dependency tree 20:04
ScottKReading state information... Done20:04
ScottKE: Unable to locate package fluffy20:04
* apachelogger thinks this code looks fishy20:04
dasKreechapachelogger: not who is. Who is in/20:04
ScottKNo idea.  It's on sourceforge20:04
apacheloggerScottK: you got the upstream all wrong, see, we are upstream, but outside upstream20:04
apacheloggerwe are an upstream that builds on the actual upstream's technology20:05
apacheloggerso we are contributing a lot upstream20:05
ScottKI see.  You must be affliated with the Ubuntu project.20:05
apachelogger:D :D :D20:05
apacheloggerdasKreech: hopefully no one, I gather she is too young for that sorta thing, then again it ought to happen sooner or later...20:06
dasKreechScottK: not a lot of activity on it20:12
* apachelogger really does not want to formally analyze the run time of his heap comparing algorithm -.-20:23
apacheloggerScottK: we need a minion for bug 67666320:24
ubottuLaunchpad bug 676663 in kdenetwork (Ubuntu) "kopete: ICQ plugin unusable ("password wrong")" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/67666320:24
dasKreechapachelogger: http://identi.ca/notice/5878904420:28
apacheloggerto sru it :P20:31
apparleis the amarok playlist saving bug, fixed in kde 4.5.3?20:32
ScottKapachelogger: Retitle to "Lack of ICQ prodctivity enhancing tool" and move on.20:32
ScottKICQ, productivity 20:33
apacheloggerDarkwingDuck: pingy20:34
DarkwingDuckapachelogger: pongie20:34
apacheloggerDarkwingDuck: do you happen to know if starcraftman has some packaging experience?20:35
DarkwingDuckHe might...20:35
DarkwingDuckhang on20:35
DarkwingDuckbah, he is at work right now.20:36
apparleI am unable to open yahoo mail... someone help set the browser identifcation20:36
apparlekonqueror is not installed20:36
* apachelogger is wondering if 9.04 is EOL yet20:38
apacheloggernow I just need to find out what the silly name of that was20:39
apacheloggerseries name20:39
apacheloggerwasnt that 8.04?20:39
apacheloggerScottK: I am nominating for karmic, lucid, maverick20:40
JontheEchidnahardy -> intrepid -> jaunty -> karmic -> lucid -> maverick20:40
ubottuUbuntu 9.04 (Jaunty Jackalope) was the tenth release of Ubuntu. End Of Life: October 23, 2010. See !eol and !upgrade for more details.20:43
ubottuEnd-Of-Life is the time when security updates and support for an Ubuntu release stop, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases for more information. Looking to upgrade from an EOL release? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades20:43
ubottuUbuntu 8.04 LTS (Hardy Heron) was the eighth release of Ubuntu. Downloading: http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.04 - See !lts for more details.20:43
ubottuUbuntu 9.10 (Karmic Koala) was the eleventh release of Ubuntu. Downloading: http://releases.ubuntu.com/9.10/ - Release Notes: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/91020:44
dasKreechHmm doesn't say when EOL is unless it's past20:44
apacheloggerwell, hardy is EOL for us anyway20:44
dasKreechon the desktop?20:46
apacheloggerwe only have a desktop :P20:47
apacheloggerwell, counting netbook in there20:47
dasKreechI know I'm jsut trying to remember what the shelflife is for a Desktop LTS. 3 years?20:48
bulldog98dasKreech: yes20:48
DarkwingDuckScottK: What is it (not)doing?20:50
DarkwingDuckapachelogger: ping20:51
apacheloggerDarkwingDuck: pongo20:51
DarkwingDuckwhat excatly is the script not doing so I know where to look?20:52
DarkwingDuckOkay nevermind...20:54
DarkwingDuckScottK: You are looking for it to pull more from GIT? Correct?20:55
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DarkwingDuckWho wrote this?21:03
ScottKDarkwingDuck: The most important thing is that it seems to be over-riding the environment to prevent icecc on our arm boxes, but that's working for al, so I'm a bit confused.21:10
ScottKDarkwingDuck: I think that mpyne in the author/maintainer21:10
ScottKI'd also like to pull things in kdesupport that have moved to git from there.21:10
DarkwingDuckScottK: so, as is it's working for Al but, issues for you?21:10
ScottKapachelogger has access to the box in question.21:11
apacheloggerI am the accessor21:11
DarkwingDuckScott what is your output to the command: whereis perl  ?21:12
DarkwingDuckOr, for the box that is having issues21:12
apacheloggersrsly, if bug 676663 would be so awesome for a minion -.-21:13
ubottuLaunchpad bug 676663 in kdenetwork (Ubuntu Karmic) "kopete: ICQ plugin unusable ("password wrong")" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/67666321:13
apachelogger+if only we had more21:13
DarkwingDuckI'm working21:13
DarkwingDuckon it21:13
ScottKDarkwingDuck: The chroot in question is in the middle of building kdelibs.21:13
DarkwingDuckFind that out and the output of: perl -v21:14
ScottKI think the real answer is apachelogger needs to make a hook for this.21:14
apacheloggerDarkwingDuck: thing is, by the time you come up with someone, I fixed it in 3 series and built qt on arm :/21:14
apacheloggerScottK: for what?21:14
apacheloggerScottK: building?21:14
ScottKapachelogger: building trunk.21:15
apacheloggerif you tell me what that hook needs to do21:15
ScottKapachelogger: grab all of kdesvn trunk and all the stuff that is needed to build it, build each bit and install it so we can build the whole stack.21:16
ari-tczewJontheEchidna: around? seems to that you lost ubuntu patches in last merge of konversation. ping on bug 67630321:16
ubottuLaunchpad bug 676303 in konversation (Ubuntu) "[natty] indicator applet doesn't handle konversation notifications" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/67630321:16
ScottKCapture logs, results, rinse, repease.21:16
apacheloggeryou realize that this would be project neon #1 all over again? 21:16
ScottKWell it should be simpler.21:17
ScottKWe don't need to mess with /opt.21:17
JontheEchidnaari-tczew: I didn't do the last konversation merge. Riddell did21:17
apacheloggerit was pretty simple :P21:17
apacheloggerthe PITA is maintaining build deps21:17
ScottKAnd it doesn't have to land in packages as it's a throw away build.21:17
* Riddell looks innocent21:17
ScottKYes, kdesrc-build isn't so great about that ATM.21:18
apacheloggerScottK: IMHO this should not be a hook but in the rules of a package21:18
apacheloggermake ftw!21:18
* apachelogger pets Riddell21:18
ari-tczewJontheEchidna: ah sorry, you have the same names. 21:18
JontheEchidnayep ;-)21:18
JontheEchidnaRiddell: looks like a return-of-the-infamous-debian-changes patch21:18
ScottKapachelogger: Interesting idea.  The problem is that many of the deps aren't packaged.21:19
Riddellari-tczew: what's up?21:19
ScottKsoprano, akonadi, and a few others all need to be built from trunk.21:19
ari-tczewRiddell: you did a merge konversation. patches seem to be lost due to quilt 3.021:19
ari-tczewindicator applet support patch doesn't work since I upgraded to natty21:19
apacheloggerScottK: PITA ...21:20
* yofel wonders how icecc is supposed to work, tried it with neon kdelibs, but it build everything on localhost even though icemon shows it sees the scheduler and the other pc21:20
yofelor do I need to run the scheduler on localhost?21:20
apacheloggerScottK: let me think a bit about that21:20
apacheloggerbut I think rules file is the way to go here21:20
apacheloggerhave a fake package and a rules that does building in a somewhat sensible way21:20
apacheloggeryofel: likely you did not export the PATH to include the icecc/bin dir before evyerthing else21:21
yofelapachelogger: erm, if that were the case it wouldn't even run it, and since I get icecc debug output telling me it build locally I do think my PATH is correct21:22
apacheloggerkopete patches for 3 series done21:22
* apachelogger setups pbuilders21:22
ari-tczewRiddell: debian-changes-1.3.1-2ubuntu1 is overwriting our changes.21:22
apacheloggeryofel: oh, not enough -j then21:22
yofelwhy don't you guys use kdesupport stuff from neon? we don't have polkit-qt-1 yet then21:22
apacheloggerlocalhost will be preferred21:22
sheytanapachelogger hey dude :)21:23
sheytanwhat's up?21:23
yofelhm, I'll try some more then..21:23
yofels/polkit-qt-1 yet then/polkit-qt-1 yet though/21:23
apacheloggersheytan: I need new blog artwork :D21:23
apacheloggersheytan: something hardwareishy21:23
sheytanapachelogger well, i don't have time today ;(21:24
apacheloggersheytan: tomorrow maybe?21:24
sheytangot a new job, and don't have time for anything else21:24
sheytantomorrow is fine :)21:24
apacheloggerI already delayed the blog one day because of you ;)21:24
apacheloggernew job21:24
sheytanyeah, i need to live too :D21:24
apacheloggersheytan: how is the new job?21:25
sheytanapachelogger really cool one. We're fixing notebooks :)21:25
ScottKyofel: I tried to build your Qt package and it FTBFS on armel, so I gave up.21:26
apacheloggersheytan: sweet21:26
apachelogger<3 making broken things work21:26
DarkwingDuckhmmm, strange...21:26
sheytani mean, i'm that one who is accepting them and giving back to customers ;)21:26
yofelScottK: k, maybe ping Quintasan if he knows something, he did the qt packaging21:26
sheytanfor fixing we've got a team of expert dudes :D21:27
ScottKHe's not around.21:27
yofelI'll ping him when I see him then21:27
apacheloggersheytan: surely they were pretty useless experts if no one would throw new broken devices at them :P21:27
DarkwingDuckoh damn... I forgot I hadn't turned my laptop into a perl dev environment yet :/21:27
* apachelogger is scared out of his pyjamas21:31
DarkwingDuckOkay, that's fixed.21:31
sheytanapachelogger yeah, right :)21:32
sheytando you have windows logo on your pyjamas? :D21:33
DarkwingDucksheytan: It's the Windows ME Logo21:33
sheytanapachelogger you wouldn't be scared anyway :D21:34
apacheloggerpull-lp-source is quite the useless thing21:34
yofelhm, icecc still builds everythin locally even with -j10 :/ (this is an i7M, but even that only  has 2 cores..) - any ideas? some debug output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/533615/21:34
apacheloggerfails on srus with security update21:35
apacheloggerstupid thing21:35
sheytanit's time for me ;/21:36
sheytanneed to sleep21:36
sheytanso, see you guys tomorrow :)21:36
sheytangnight :)21:36
DarkwingDuckOh wow.21:37
ubottuStable Release Update information is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates21:38
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about pelr21:40
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about perl21:40
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DarkwingDuckubottu you are annoying21:40
ubottuError: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)21:40
DarkwingDuckubottu don't worry, I don't21:40
ubottuError: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)21:40
yofelkubotu ran away again..21:43
ScottKProbably sulking over the koffice split. http://lists.kde.org/?l=koffice-devel&m=128782551919625&w=221:44
cmaginaScottK: wow, what the heck happened?  21:48
ScottKNo idea.21:48
ScottKReading related links it seems it's mostly social.21:49
ScottKDarkwingDuck: I can see in htop it's using /usr/bin/perl in any case.21:51
apacheloggerScottK: that mail is most confusing from an outside POV 21:55
DarkwingDuckScottK: okay...22:01
cmaginaScottK: seems they couldn't manage to balance the Meego work with the desktop work22:02
cmaginaScottK: better put, they couldn't find a compromising way to work together with the different goals in mind22:02
Riddellhi zematynnad, just balatedly read an e-mail which said I should welcome you :)22:10
zematynnadand thanks22:11
claydohDarkwingDuck: have you posted your 'challenge' to kubuntuforums?22:13
claydohDarkwingDuck: you'd find more actual Kubuntu/KDE users there imo :)22:13
apparlewhere are the browser identification settings for rekonq in 10.10?22:21
DarkwingDuckclaydoh: not yet no.22:32
claydohDarkwingDuck: it will be worth it :) I can do so if you don't wish to register22:33
DarkwingDuckI need to anyway.22:34
claydohbeware there are reports of difficult anti-spam/bot questions to answer in order to do so22:36
claydohbut i can hold yer hand if needed lol22:37
DarkwingDuckThose anti-spam questions are awesome LOL22:38
claydohand no I am not the hand-holding sort of guy22:38
DarkwingDuckI have to be at times LOL22:39
DarkwingDuckHmmm, not being good with forums where would I post this?22:41
claydohDarkwingDuck: announcements22:42
* apachelogger is done with heaping \\o/22:42
claydohDarkwingDuck: Kubuntu announcements under announcements22:43
CIA-42[muon] jmthomas * 1198232 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (8 files in 2 dirs) Rudimentary package installation/removal support. Doesn't report progress yet. (Installs silently in the background.) Installation does work, though.22:48
* Quintasan finds maverick totally unacceptable22:55
* apachelogger notes that maybe Quintasan should have done something about this *before* release22:56
apachelogger...you only had like 5 months...22:56
JontheEchidnaproblem? :D22:58
JontheEchidnahrm, there is no trollface emoticon, is there....22:59
DarkwingDuckTrollface emoticon23:03
apacheloggerDarkwingDuck: Quintasan likes them trollfaces23:03
DarkwingDuckThere you go23:03
DarkwingDuckJontheEchidna: ^^^^23:06
DarkwingDuckThere you go23:06
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JontheEchidnahttp://imgur.com/bEKsw <- Can anyone think of a better string than that?23:18
RiddellJontheEchidna: how about  "Download Size: 10MB\nInstalled Size: 12MB" ?23:19
Riddelland I'd change "Continue" to "Install"23:19
JontheEchidnaThat dialog only shows up when an application brings in dependencies23:20
JontheEchidnafor context23:20
JontheEchidnathough maybe it could be generic and always display23:20
JontheEchidnaThere is the "do not show again" button for the annoyed23:20
RiddellI consider than a weird property of apt, if I ask apt to install something I don't see why I should sometimes have to confirm it because it brings in dependencies23:22
Riddellbringing in dependencies is what apt is ment to do, i shouldn't care about it23:22
Riddellso unless there's something getting removed I wouldn't prompt for confirmation23:22
JontheEchidnabrb phone23:23
JontheEchidnaRiddell: Basically I'm trying to implement a solution to the problem presented in bug 432879, where software from $OTHER_DE brings in a bunch of extra stuff23:32
ubottuLaunchpad bug 432879 in software-center (Ubuntu) "No information about dependencies being pulled in" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43287923:32
JontheEchidnahmm, I should read mpt's comment more closely, he suggested only displaying when extra size > a certain amount23:33
JontheEchidnasounds reasonable23:33
CIA-42[muon] jmthomas * 1198242 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ApplicationModel/ (ApplicationViewWidget.cpp ApplicationViewWidget.h) Add a confirmation dialog. Include a "Don't ask again" checkbox for those who don't want to be annoyed. ;-)23:42
CIA-42[muon] jmthomas * 1198243 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/BreadcrumbWidget/ (BreadcrumbWidget.cpp BreadcrumbWidget.h) A more space-concious form factor for the forward/back buttons in the breadcrumb23:50

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